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20Rachel
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Posted: January 26 2020 at 8:33am |
Shipment leaving China to other countries. What is the process to ensure cargo is not contaminated with virus now that we know that virus particles can live several days on surfaces.
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jacksdad
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Assuming the contents are sealed, and have been since they were manufactured, maybe open the package outside the house using gloves, and dispose of all the wrapping and the gloves before bringing the item in. If whatever you’re buying is water resistant, you could always spray that with Lysol outside too.
The worrying thing is when the packages from China stop. Ever noticed how many retailers (Walmart in particular) rely almost solely on Chinese goods? It’s been said that their warehouses are container ships out on the ocean heading our way. That could herald the beginning of shortages, especially given how many of the quarantined cities are major manufacturing hubs. |
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What does the control process- look like for possible contaminated cargo at entry ports?
Multiple persons handling of packages long before products reaches ones home or stores? Or do you have no concerns that cargo could be contaminated with virus particles? Do you feel that is unlikely? |
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jacksdad
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I agree that it is a concern, but I very much doubt they have anything in place to detect viral contamination at ports of entry.
Coronaviruses live on hard surfaces for 48 hours, I believe. You could just wait it out if in doubt. Maybe move it to a secure location with gloves so nobody steals it first though. Or break out the Lysol and douse the package before opening. |
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This doctor explains the virus particles are protected within a envelope/shell allowing it to live on surfaces for five or more days. Others mentioned up to ten days.
https://youtu.be/QA5AbqlCHuc |
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jacksdad
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It depends on the surface, humidity and temperature. I read that coronaviruses can live in carpet for seven weeks, but on hard surfaces it can be as little as 48 hours.
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Sunlight is an excellent sterilizer. I intend on laying our post out in full sun for a few hours.
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Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.
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KiwiMum - I was having a conversation about this with my brother in the UK last night. As he pointed out, strong sunlight is usually in short supply over there.
We ended up both googling the possibility of using UV lamps to sterilize things like N95 masks to extend their use. One thing we found was humidity and temperature play a huge role in how effective it is, but in theory it could work. The problem is finding a balance between not enough UV leaving the virus intact, and too much degrading the filter media. |
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KiwiMum
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Interesting. I was only thinking about it in relation to sterilizing post. I have assumed that we'll just stay at home and won't go out so we won't be wearing masks since we live on a farm with no neighbours. Obviously we'd wear a mask if we did go out.
Surely you could rotate your masks and just not wear it again for a month or so and by then the virus would have died on it? I'd have thought any dry, very warm environment would kill a virus. They need warmth and moisture to survive don't they? |
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Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.
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Given the unpredictable nature of this virus and how long it might stick around, I was thinking the same thing. Whatever the conditions, it has a limited lifespan on any surface, so I’d be loathe to throw them away when simply keeping them long enough should naturally kill it.
My brother and I were wondering how effective directing warm/hot dry air through them would be. It would have to be in a location away from your living space because of the risk of live virus going airborne, but that would probably inactivate it by drying. Again, that would be a balancing act between enough heat/time without damaging the mask. Maybe throw them in the clothes dryer? |
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Rince it in strong vinegar first. Then hang on the line. Viruses hate acids.
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Many cosplayers purchase their costumes directly from China too. I make my own for the most part with few accessories coming from there. Otherwise, there has been circulation in the cosplay community to wash your hands after or wear disposable gloves when handling packages purchased from China and to wash your clothing or accessories purchased from there when possible (or at the very least sanitize them).
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Be prepared! It may be time....^_^v
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Folks, EVERYTHING comes from China!!
Calm down....we are awash in corona viruses all the time, they are the leading cause of the "common cold." This is a relatively weak virus with low mortality rate (SARS was much worse). If we take simple precautions, we are safe from domestic and imported Cornoa viruses. a) wash your hands after using public restrooms, and open the door with a clean paper towel (not everyone washes their hands, leaving poo & pee all over the place). b) wash your hands before touching your eyes and nose. Coronas can infect through the eyes, not only the nose/mouth route. c) use hand sanitizer when in doubt.....unlike some viruses like Norovirus, the Corona is pretty fragile and easily killed. d) don't eat stuff like this: Chinese scientists say the latest coronavirus outbreak appears to have spread from the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in the central city of Wuhan. Despite its name, the market was selling a huge variety of wild animals for consumption, including live cats and dogs, turtles, snakes, rats, hedgehogs and marmots. Menus and signboards posted online showed a huge variety of wild animals available to eat, including foxes, wolf cubs, monkeys and masked palm civets. |
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jacksdad
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This is a little disconcerting though, Chuck. I can’t post links right now (my phone is fighting me) so I screenshot the relevant part. I have to admit that when a Chinese government official states that “the virus’s ability to spread seems to be getting somewhat stronger”, it doesn’t give me a warm, fuzzy feeling. It looks like the damned thing is developing a taste for us.
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Viruses often quickly evolve better spreading ability, this is usually accompanied by a drop in CFR.
Watch this space. |
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This virus could go harmless,
Or could kill alot.... All still an "evolving" (lol) Situation... Keep calm... And carry on preppin..... |
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carbon20
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Latest news is that it is spreading faster killing better.....
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Which is why I wipe off any cans or plastic containers with a vinegar soaked rag. I also soak/wash my produce in water with a few blubs of vinegar in it to kill salmonella and other uglies. Vinegar. The underestimated prep! |
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20Rachel
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All - thanks for all the great information. But, I wasn’t so concerned about “me handling packages “ at home...from China..in that I would take precaution (handwashing, etc). My concern was for all those people working in the receiving of the cargo/mail - factories, postal/shipping companies...and what if anything was being done to prevent the virus from entering the country and spreading? We are monitoring people for fever coming through the airports. Is it even possible to detect or monitor viruses coming into the country on cargo? I wouldn’t want to be the person unloading, unboxing a fedx plane, UPS truck or cargo shipment from China.
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I would be more worried about the boatmen on the ship than the cargo. Now that we know it is contagious during the incubation period (before you have signs you are sick) is very concerning. So a boatman can look fine but a carrier and gets U.S. dock workers sick. Cargo is usually in the hot sun for a few days that would kill the virus but the workers could be carriers.
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