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Topic: Washington not testing those under observation. Posted: February 26 2020 at 9:24am |
This tells you everything you need to know about how U.S. states plan to handle the coronavirus outbreak: Refrain from testing anyone and then report “zero community outbreaks.” Last week, the State of Washington was monitoring 794 people for coronavirus symptoms. Yet by Friday of last week, the state had only tested a grand total of 28 people for the virus. Today, the 794 number has fallen to 582, according to the Washington Dept. of Health website. This means over 200 people have been released from “public health supervision,” yet the total number of people tested for the coronavirus in Washington remains at 28. In other words, zero new people were tested. So we now have states that are releasing hundreds of people from supervision without testing any of them. People with no symptoms aren’t being tested, but the virus spreads in people who show no symptoms… This is all taking place in an environment when we already know: The virus can be carried by people who show no symptoms. The incubation period of the virus is up to 27 days, not merely 14. The symptoms of the virus can be easily confused with pneumonia, the common cold or other mild infections. South Korea has managed to test thousands of people for the virus, which is how they’ve now discovered over 842 infections there, a number that has truly exploded over the last five days. The State of Washington knows about 794 people who might be infected, yet they’ve only tested 28? If South Korea had taken the same approach, they could be reporting only 30 infections today instead of 842. If you don’t test people, you don’t “confirm” infections. The question is not how many people have been confirmed infected, the question is how many infected people have NOT been tested. https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-02-24-washington-state-releases-hundreds-of-people-coronavirus-tests-none.html
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Posted: February 26 2020 at 9:55am |
Well. Sigh. (I wrote and deleted several other things, but that sigh really says it all.)
It's so beyond ridiculous they'd never sell this as a movie script, and disaster movie scripts as a rule are completely unbelievable.
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Posted: February 26 2020 at 10:08am |
Life usually turns out to be more ridiculous than fiction.
That is why you hear: "You couldn't make it up!" so often.
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How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving.
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Posted: February 26 2020 at 10:27am |
Let's call it "The Ostrich Approach," or, the "Sgt. Shultz Discovery Method":
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Posted: February 26 2020 at 11:03am |
Truth is stranger than fiction because fictions need to be believable.
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Posted: February 26 2020 at 11:21am |
EXACTLY!!
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Posted: February 26 2020 at 1:34pm |
BabyCat wrote:
Let's call it "The Ostrich Approach," or, the "Sgt. Shultz Discovery Method":
| I laughed, and then immediately wanted to cry. Is it just me, or is this unconscionable? Is it because the United States only has 12 state-based testing facilities with kits that actually work (per the CDC on 2/25)? Is it because they feel containment wouldn’t work, so they’ll let it spread and attempt mitigation after the fact? I do believe that it is going to be up to individuals to protect themselves at this point. What I’m trying to figure out now is when to pull back from social contact, pull my kids from school (which they will hate), and SIP. I don’t think we’re there yet, but I do feel it’s approaching. I feel we’ll be lucky to make it to April.
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Posted: February 26 2020 at 1:52pm |
There was a show on TV recently,,
Hot Zone I think it was .....
I stopped watching it because I thought 2nd/3rd episode in,
NAH
The government could not be that stupid.......
How very wrong I was......
Hate to say it but Australia seems to be "ON THE BALL"......
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Posted: February 26 2020 at 2:36pm |
My late husband was in politics and I can tell you government is that stupid! We are all in trouble even though CRS says this is mild...it is going to kill a lot of us. Now that being said with 22,000 dead from Flu do any of you realize that? I don't because I don't know any of those 22,000 but if you have more than 100k dying people will start looking at this especially when they close schools.
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Posted: February 26 2020 at 2:46pm |
I got the flu jab. Coronavirus - no jab.
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Posted: February 26 2020 at 8:00pm |
I saw on a youtube post today that a man in America asked for a covid 19 test and was billed $3500 for it. This is why America isn't testing. Insurance won't cover it and individuals won't or can't pay. And the knock on effect will be people who don't have insurance covering up their symptoms so they don't go hospital or quarantine or wherever since they can't pay. As a result it'll spread so widely in the US. This is where a public health system works for the public good and a private one screws the poor AND the rich because it'll effect them all. Covid 19 will not respect wealth.
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Posted: February 26 2020 at 9:38pm |
KiwiMum wrote:
Covid 19 will not respect wealth.
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If it's to be - it's up to me!
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Posted: February 26 2020 at 9:43pm |
Please is the 3500.00 true? Please check that out to see if that is true? Then to have an insurance company say they will not pay is way too soon to know that. I think this could be fake news!
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Posted: February 26 2020 at 9:54pm |
Insurance companies often refuse to pay for new or "experimental" tests. (Most also refuse to pay for any kind of genetic testing.) Imagine the argument that the test is unproven, and after the faulty test sent out by the CDC, they have a valid argument.
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Posted: February 27 2020 at 1:50am |
"Our response to this has been great! Truly Great! Best in the world! Just ask John Hopkins!!"
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Posted: February 27 2020 at 4:10am |
Coverage in SF Gate for the California case suggests that CDC is resisting testing until they can't make excuses any longer. Doesn't bode well. CDC under this administration especially is useless in the same way the WHO is useless. They're treating this like it's a political problem rather than a public health problem. https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/coronavirus-CDC-UC-Davis-Solano-County-patient-15088045.php
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Posted: February 27 2020 at 11:12am |
FluMom wrote:
Please is the 3500.00 true? Please check that out to see if that is true? Then to have an insurance company say they will not pay is way too soon to know that. I think this could be fake news! |
It's not fake news, the actual case was quoted on Chris Martenson's site yesterday. The man's health insurance refused to pay for the test saying it was non essential. The man himself had suspected he'd been in contact with someone and had requested the test. And it cost him $3500.
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Posted: February 27 2020 at 11:15am |
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Coronavirus: Man receives $3,500 medical bill for test after returning to US from China
Osmel Martinez Azcue only has the flu, but he now owes his insurance $1,400
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A Miami man has received a nearly $3,500 medical bill after getting coronavirus tests following his trip to China.
Osmel Martinez Azcue returned from a work trip last month to
China and discovered he was feeling flu-like symptoms. Worried about the
coronavirus, the man decided to go to a Florida hospital to get tested,
according to the Miami Herald.
Testing revealed Mr Azcue had the flu, not the coronavirus. But
his limited health insurance left him with a bill of $3,270 two weeks
after his test. He will be responsible for $1,400 of that bill.
"How can they expect normal citizens to contribute to eliminating
the potential risk of person-to-person spread if hospitals are waiting
to charge us $3,270 for a simple blood test and a nasal swab?" Mr Azcue
told the newspaper.
Mr Azcue previously had insurance through the Affordable Care
Act. He picked that insurance as he makes $55,000 through his job at a
medical-device company, and it does not provide a health insurance
plan.
These junk plans offer short-term, low-benefit coverage for
people, but they also are not required to meet the law's standards for
health coverage, meaning the plans could avoid covering pre-existing
conditions or offering protections from large out-of-pocket expenses.
One problem people run into when shopping for insurance plans is
the way these junk plans are advertised. Someone might think they have
coverage for certain expenses only to discover later they don't.
Mr Azcue discovered that not only does he owe $1,400 out of
pocket, but he also needs to provide his insurer with three years of
medical records to prove that the flu he got didn't relate to a
pre-existing condition. If for some reason the flu related to a
pre-existing condition, then the insurer would no longer pay a portion
of the man's bill.
Jackson Memorial Hospital, where Mr Azcue received his tests, told the Miami Herald
more bills are on its way to the man. It is not clear what else he will
have to pay for after getting tested for the coronavirus.
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Posted: February 27 2020 at 11:17am |
The above article makes the excellent point that:
"How can they expect normal citizens to contribute to eliminating
the potential risk of person-to-person spread if hospitals are waiting
to charge us $3,270 for a simple blood test and a nasal swab?"
Testing and treatment for this have to be readily available and FREE !!!! if society to going to get anywhere with controlling or monitoring this.
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Posted: February 27 2020 at 11:22am |
The highest figure before this news that I have read (on some article posted in this forum) that the cost of the test was about $1.000. So to charge $3.500 sounds like profiteering. I know the hospital has to recover cost of nursing staff to administer the test, but the mark-up seems sinful.
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Posted: February 27 2020 at 11:26am |
If it was a work trip then his L&I insurance(work insurance) should have covered it.
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Posted: February 27 2020 at 2:10pm |
EdwinSm, wrote:
The highest figure before this news that I have read (on some article posted in this forum) that the cost of the test was about $1.000. So to charge $3.500 sounds like profiteering. I know the hospital has to recover cost of nursing staff to administer the test, but the mark-up seems sinful.
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It is profiteering. We did a price estimate of the cost of testing an individual for Covid 19 in our homeschool last week and we started with the cost of the kit at $1 to make life easy. Once we'd factored in the hidden costs, we estimated it would be about between $200 - $500 per person. The additional costs included: admin costs (receptionist to make appointment etc), heating, lighting at surgery, 15 min appointment with nurse (cheapest option) or with doctor (more expensive option) to do swabs and general exam for other symptoms, admin cost of labelling samples, cost to deep clean examination room after potential contamination or cost to run a dedicated infection room, medical courier to lab, possible additional courier costs if further away, labour for lab tech to analyse sample, same for pathologist to double check, utility costs of running the lab, admin cost to process sample, admin cost to communicate result with doctors surgery, admin cost to communicate the result to patient, admin cost to send result to government. It sounds extreme, but all fixed costs, labour costs and variable costs have to be factored in to any business transaction and this includes these tests. In our model it was cheaper than it would be in America because the NZ government subsidizes the cost of medical treatment here. We still pay but we pay a reduced rate.
You can see how easy it would be to inflate these charges and you can see how expensive Covid 19 is going to be for any government to test and monitor.
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