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Italy just passed China for Covid deaths

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    Posted: March 19 2020 at 12:23pm

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/grim-milestone-italys-coronavirus-deaths-surpass-chinas/ar-BB11q88i?ocid=spartandhp

ROME – Italy marked a grim milestone Thursday as its number of deaths from the rampaging global coronavirus outbreak surpassed those in China. 

The country's death toll hit 3,405 as of Thursday, an increase of 427 compared to Wednesday, according to Italy’s Civil Protection Department. 

Italy has been staggering under the effects of the pandemic for weeks. Hospitals and even some morgues in the hard-hit northern Italian city of Milan are stretched beyond capacity. 

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Health officials are searching for new ways to get more doctors in the field, ranging from calling recent retirees back to work to rushing as many as 10,000 soon-to-graduate students into low-leverage situations before they finish with exams as a way to free up more experienced colleagues.

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The entire population of more than 60 million is under lockdown, allowed to leave home only for "essential" activities like visits to grocery stores or pharmacies. Police and the military are roaming the streets on the lookout for people breaking quarantine. Everything from open restaurants and coffee bars to weddings and funerals is prohibited.

'It’s so frightening. I keep worrying they aren’t telling us everything. If they are, then why do so many people keep dying?" said Rome native Annalisa De Crescenzo, 30, a legal secretary. "I feel fine. I keep telling myself that so I’ll stay calm. But I’m worried."

On Wednesday, Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said that the lockdown measures would be extended beyond their original April 3 deadline, and government officials said additional steps could be taken – such as limiting hours supermarkets can be open and closing urban parks – if current measures prove inadequate.

"The death toll is rising from people who were infected before the national lockdown" on March 9, Angelo Borrelli, head of Italy’s Civil Protection Department, said on Wednesday, when the death toll jumped by 475, the highest one-day total so far in Italy. He was referencing the estimated 12- to 14-day incubation period for the virus. 

"We still believe that once we are 14 days out from the lockdown we will begin to see a significant drop in the death toll," Borrelli said. 

One factor in the high death toll so far is the high median age in Italy, which is 47 years, compared to 37 in China and 38 in the U.S. Stated as a percentage of the total population, Italy has more people over the age of 80, 90, or 100 than any other major industrialized country except Japan. With the average age of a COVID-19 victim in Italy over 80, that is a factor, with most of the elderly victims already suffering from serious underlying medical conditions such as cancer, diabetes, or h

As of Thursday, China’s total death toll from the coronavirus was 3,245. But the total number of people infected by the virus in China is more than twice the number in Italy and China’s population is nearly 25 orders of magnitude larger than Italy's population of 61 million people.

The figures are a stark illustration of how the virus has swept through communities at breakneck speed, upending daily routines, wiping billions of dollars off of stock markets and threatening to usher in the most serious economic recession in decades. 

A number of factors are being blamed for why the virus has taken hold in Italy with such ferocity, in addition to its large elderly population. They include an utterly overwhelmed health care system and a failure to quickly impose a full national lockdown on its citizens. 

Italian authorities began enforcing their national lockdown on March 9, 21 days after the point where community transmission, defined as more than 100 cases, had taken hold, according to World Health Organization data analyzed by USA TODAY.  

The restrictions were tightened further on March 12. 

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Data analysis by USA TODAY finds that, two weeks after the U.S. first entered into community transmission on March 3, America’s trajectory is trending toward Italy’s. 

One-hundred-sixty people have died from coronavirus in the U.S.

Italy's death-toll milestone comes on the same day that authorities in China announced that, for the first time, the city of Wuhan and the surrounding province where the coronavirus outbreak began in December, reported no new domestic cases.

It is the first time that China's National Commission has reported no domestically transmitted cases of the virus since it started recording them in January. 

But the announcement also comes as China, South Korea, and Singapore faced a spike in infections from abroad that could be the start of a second coronavirus wave. And in China's case, it's also not clear how reliable its data is because the country has clamped down hard on domestic and foreign reporting on the virus. Beijing has said that of China's more than 81,000 infections, some 70,000 have recovered. 

Places in Asia such as Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea, and Japan have been praised for their quick and effective testing, tracing and "social distancing" measures. China aggressively deployed similar tactics. However, while a lack of new domestic infections will buoy hopes that the pandemic can be beaten, the fact that China recorded Thursday 34 cases from people who returned from abroad will concern public health experts. Singapore and South Korea also recorded new "foreign" cases. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2020 at 12:56pm

Well I think the question as to whether or not China lied about their numbers has been answered. Not like it's a big surprise to have confirmation they were lying.

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Originally posted by AI AI wrote:

Well I think the question as to whether or not China lied about their numbers has been answered. Not like it's a big surprise to have confirmation they were lying.

  I agree.  I'm just the messenger poster though... lol - so no shooting at me - ok??? LOL  

I maybe should have put this under general discussion vs news but... between it and the one with 1.4% one - thought it kinda 'made it news'...

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We will never know how many really died in China.  The government there is cruel compared to the rest our governments.

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https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/17/iran-and-italy-are-paying-a-hefty-price-for-close-ties-with-communist-china/


Like his predecessors, Conte has been unwilling to implement any structural reform. Instead, he sought an “easy” way out. Almost exactly a year ago in March 2019, against warnings from the EU and the United States, Italy became the first and only G7 country to sign onto OBOR. As part of the deal, Italy opened an array of sectors to Chinese investment, from infrastructure to transportation, including letting Chinese state-owned companies hold a stake in four major Italian ports. The deal gave communist China a foothold in the heart of Europe, but Conte downplayed it as “no big deal at all.”

Lombardy and Tuscany are the two regions that saw the most Chinese investment. Nearly a year later, the first Wuhan coronavirus infection case in Italy was reported in the Lombardy region on Feb. 21. Today, Italy is experiencing the worst coronavirus outbreak outside China, and Lombardy is the hardest-hit region in the country. As of March 14, Italy reported 24,747 cases and 1,809 deaths. Now the entire country is in lockdown until at least April 3. Its economy is expected to contract 7.5 percent in the first quarter, opposite what Conte had hoped.

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the Chinese own lots of Strategic ports all over the World.....

Even our port in Darwin

Is leased to them 

Some here aren't pleased.....me for one

They own a port in Sri Lanka ,that even the Sri Lankans can't access.....

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I wonder when Italy will pass the actual number of deaths in China (not just the reported ones).  

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Originally posted by EdwinSm, EdwinSm, wrote:

I wonder when Italy will pass the actual number of deaths in China (not just the reported ones).  

I hope it never does...

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