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    Posted: June 21 2020 at 11:45am

In that great democratic bastion that is Chicago yet another deadly weekend with the tally still rising for the weekend.

So far 60 shot 9 dead and the weekend isn't even over yet. Think it'll make the national news? Nah no votes in it.

Father's Day weekend marred by violence in Chicago: Toddler, teens among 9 dead, 60 shot


Nine people have been killed, four of them minors, and 47 others have been wounded in shootings across Chicago so far this weekend.
CHICAGO (WLS) -- As of Sunday morning, 60 people were shot, 9 fatally, across Chicago during Father's Day weekend.

Four minors, including a 3-year-old boy, were among the victims who were fatally shot, police said.

A teenage girl, 2 teen boys and a 3-year-old are among the dead.


https://abc7chicago.com/6258403/

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Let's hope Chicago doesn't break the record for 2020 shootings which by the way had half of the shootings occurring on Sunday just 3 weeks ago. Interesting that Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the US yet they matter little to criminals who are committing the vast majority of these shootings.


85 shot, 24 fatally, over Chicago’s most violent weekend of 2020

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/6/1/21275944/chicago-weekend-shootings-most-violent-weekend-2020-may-29-june-1

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I'm amazed that is a country that allows people to

 "open carry"

That there's not more 

Shooting and killing....

Thats America.....

Still living the 

Wild West......

1 polling place for thousands of people.....

Yeah right.....

 you live in a dictatorship....

Not a democracy.....

Demand change!!!!!..... 

Not working......

Violence......

Is the end result.....









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The longest I've waited to vote here, would be about 10 mins....

We very well organized,

and it's law to turn up at the polling place to get you ballot,

What you do with it is up to you.( IE you can spoil it...)

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I keep trying to tell you that you'd be surprised how many Democrats/Liberals/Progressives own guns, AI.   

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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:




I'm amazed that is a country that allows people to

 "open carry"

That there's not more 

Shooting and killing....

Thats America.....

Still living the 

Wild West......

1 polling place for thousands of people.....

Yeah right.....

 you live in a dictatorship....

Not a democracy.....

Demand change!!!!!..... 

Not working......

Violence......

Is the end result.....









It's not the law abiding types that are committing the vast majority of these shootings and killings. 150 million law abiding US citizens who have firearms didn't commit any crimes today or any day. Most of this is black on black violence and or gang/drug related. And this is in a democrat state, democrat country, democrat city and has been for decades. Interestingly enough this problem has been around for decades as well. They like to keep that quiet doesn't look good on the national level as a model of democratic leadership and the subsequent results it produces.

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Originally posted by WitchMisspelled WitchMisspelled wrote:

I keep trying to tell you that you'd be surprised how many Democrats/Liberals/Progressives own guns, AI.   

And what has that got to do with anything at all?  Are you trying to infer that these shootings were done by democrats/liberals and progressives? 

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If the voting thing has been around for decades, 

Why do you stand for it..... 

It's hardly democracy if it's difficult for citizens to vote in a fair and just way.....

Your system needs to change.....

There would be about 10 polling places within 5 minute drive here.....

Why the difference in your country,

I don't want to seem mean, I'm just asking,

It might be it's something that you are accustomed too,and have never had another system  pointed out to you .

But for people to wait hours to Vote seems very antiquated,

And I would  never trust A voting machine...... 


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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:




If the voting thing has been around for decades, 

Why do you stand for it..... 

It's hardly democracy if it's difficult for citizens to vote in a fair and just way.....

Your system needs to change.....

There would be about 10 polling places within 5 minute drive here.....

Why the difference in your country,

I don't want to seem mean, I'm just asking,

It might be it's something that you are accustomed too,and have never had another system  pointed out to you .

But for people to wait hours to Vote seems very antiquated,

And I would  never trust A voting machine...... 


Doesn't seem to bother voting democrats in the least in Chicago. And that's an interesting question if this type violence has been going on for decades in Chicago why haven't the citizens there demanded a change from their elected democrat leaders?

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Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖

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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/09/us/politics/atlanta-voting-georgia-primary.html

And what does that link have to do with 60 shot and 9 dead in Chicago?

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It's not a Fair and democratic 

Vote if people can't Vote fairly....

You system needs to change....

Making it easier for average Joe to cast his  vote that is.

 His Democratic Right....

Anything else is wrong,

In a free and Fair democracy.......


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Exactly nothing at all. Thanks for playing.

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Your first words at the beginningif this thread 

Going on about  democratic state......

You just can't answer

My question....

That's OK...... 

Because you don't seem to be able to grasp, 

Free and fair elections ,

Or the people will only take so much.......

And why is the GREAT DEMOCRACY OF THE USA......FILLED WITH SUCH INTELLECTUALS

it takes hours to cast your DEMOCRATIC RIGHT.....

I bet such queues Dont  exist in wealthy Republican states......

So why does it take soooooo long to vote in your GREAT COUNTRY.?

Please explain ?


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Originally posted by AI AI wrote:

Originally posted by WitchMisspelled WitchMisspelled wrote:

I keep trying to tell you that you'd be surprised how many Democrats/Liberals/Progressives own guns, AI.   

And what has that got to do with anything at all?  Are you trying to infer that these shootings were done by democrats/liberals and progressives? 



Your first post politicized it.

"In that great democratic bastion that is Chicago yet another deadly weekend with the tally still rising for the weekend. ot quite sure why you seem to have issue with it."

So I'm not quite sure why you're in a twist about it.

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A lot of Chicago's guns come from Indiana where they are much easier to get. 

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Originally posted by WitchMisspelled WitchMisspelled wrote:

Originally posted by AI AI wrote:

Originally posted by WitchMisspelled WitchMisspelled wrote:

I keep trying to tell you that you'd be surprised how many Democrats/Liberals/Progressives own guns, AI.   

And what has that got to do with anything at all?  Are you trying to infer that these shootings were done by democrats/liberals and progressives? 



Your first post politicized it.

"In that great democratic bastion that is Chicago yet another deadly weekend with the tally still rising for the weekend. ot quite sure why you seem to have issue with it."

So I'm not quite sure why you're in a twist about it.

Well seems like people dying is a political as well as social issue as of late, maybe just because it's an election year. Wonder when the protesters will start protesting the violence leading to a 3 year old child being gunned down or the two teenagers shot and killed? When will this get national attention and outrage? When will the leaders of the city be held to account for their failures in allowing this kind of thing to happen week after week? Hell this won't even make national news barely a blip on anyone's radar.

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I'm sticking this in politics.  Let me know if you object, anyone.


AI, please stop trying to make every reply personal.  Other people are entitled to opinions too.  

You may not realise it, but Carbon just did what you always do, picked a single point and disputed it. At least he did not try to twist your words the way you did for Witchy.


And yes, of course, every single life matters, AI.   But  (Tragically)  you can't save everyone.  You can improve things which the zeitgeist has noticed.  Today the 'spirit of the age' points out  (rightfully)  that black people have an ongoing problem with opression.    Raising the spectre of ebola at a breast cancer awareness campaign is both pointless and tactless and saying how the graveyard is full of tragedies, is not the way to comfort the widow at a funeral.    You can only bring light to the darkness in those specific places where there is already a candle to light.  This is, quite simply, a concept whose time has come.    In my personal opinion, it is well overdue, but the zeitgeist says now.

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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

I'm sticking this in politics.  Let me know if you object, anyone.


AI, please stop trying to make every reply personal.  Other people are entitled to opinions too.  

You may not realise it, but Carbon just did what you always do, picked a single point and disputed it. At least he did not try to twist your words the way you did for Witchy.


And yes, of course, every single life matters, AI.   But  (Tragically)  you can't save everyone.  You can improve things which the zeitgeist has noticed.  Today the 'spirit of the age' points out  (rightfully)  that black people have an ongoing problem with opression.    Raising the spectre of ebola at a breast cancer awareness campaign is both pointless and tactless and saying how the graveyard is full of tragedies, is not the way to comfort the widow at a funeral.    You can only bring light to the darkness in those specific places where there is already a candle to light.  This is, quite simply, a concept whose time has come.    In my personal opinion, it is well overdue, but the zeitgeist says now.

My replies were not personal in any fashion, not sure what you are meaning in that regard, examples? Nor did I twist Witchy's words, in fact I asked for clarification did I not? And not sure why you feel the need to mention those two yet again as the conversation was not out of hand in any way. I am seeing a pattern though.

And I can think of 5 mothers of children murdered in Chicago who would disagree that the conversation about this issue is pointless and tactless whenever and wherever it is raised and that it should have been raised long long ago. And if it had been addressed and made a issue maybe their kids would still be alive today. Silence is violence.

102 shot and 14 killed, 5 of them kids in Chicago this weekend.

 Superintendent David Brown said at a press conference on Sunday. “Our strategy ends up with arrests, and if you arrest someone that’s a violent offender, and they get right back out of jail and put on home monitoring, and no one monitors, we’re just chasing our tail.”

The rise in shootings came three weeks after the most violent day in Chicago in 60 years, with 18 people killed over a 24-hour period on Sunday, May 31.

“We’ve never seen anything like it at all,” Max Kapustin, senior research director at the University of Chicago Crime Lab, told the Sun-Times. “I don’t even know how to put it into context. It’s beyond anything that we’ve ever seen before.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/chicago-sees-102-shooting-victims-in-most-violent-weekend-of-2020/

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