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Posted: July 09 2020 at 12:50pm |
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The Chinese embassy in Kazakhstan has warned of a deadly “unknown pneumonia” after the former Soviet republic reported a spike in pneumonia cases since June. “The death rate of this disease is much higher than the novel coronavirus. The country’s health departments are conducting comparative research into the pneumonia virus, but have yet to identify the virus,” the embassy said in a warning to Chinese citizens in the country |
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Oh BOTHER! I do wish I could swear here. |
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KiminNM
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Same! Are any citizen journalists in China still posting? This seems... incomplete. This article is on Twitter, but didn't see any more details. I'll keep an eye out for them. Because 2020 has already jumped the ******* shark. |
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Tabitha111
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I searched for a pub-med release on this, but no luck. Maybe tomorrow? I too would love to know more details.... |
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Tabitha111
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Wanted to add that there is some speculation that it is Covid 19 but has mutated into a more deadly virus.... |
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This is the most in-depth I could find: Chinese Embassy warns of unknown pneumonia deadlier than COVID-19 in KazakhstanSource: Global Times Published: 2020/7/9 21:33:40 Photo taken on April 19, 2020 shows a ward of a makeshift hospital for COVID-19 patients in Nur-Sultan, Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan has built a makeshift hospital to treat COVID-19 patients in 13 days in Nur-Sultan, the developer BI Group announced on Tuesday. (BI Group/Handout via Xinhua)
Source: https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1194082.shtml Is this the much-speculated-upon 'second wave'? |
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Technophobe welcome back missed you, I think we up sh.t creek without a paddle......lol |
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roni3470
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I'm sorry but this is EXACTLY what happened in 1918 in the second wave. Pneumonia my ass. I truly believe this to be a mutated conorovirus....anyone with me on this?? |
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Tabitha111
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Lots of medtwitter commenting that it has to be connected to Covid. |
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Hey Tabitha...I want to read these...can you help me find where people are saying stuff? you can email me sites at rockinroni2 at yahoo.com |
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Figures must be off the charts, literally. Kazakhstan is reporting a Case Fatality Rate of 0.5% of Corvid19 - For China to say their figures for deaths are very high there must be many many pneumonia deaths outside of those reported as Corvid19. For comparison the official data for China has their CFR 10 times higher than Kazakhstan's rate! So far of the Central Asian countries, it looks as if Kazakhstan has been the most open in reporting. The worst in the area is Turkmenistan which is claiming to have totally avoided the virus, a claim that is as believable as North Korea's similar claim. |
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Kazakhstan denies Chinese reports of pneumonia deadlier than coronavirus |
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If all those deaths were added together and if they were all for Covid19 then the Case Fatality rate would be 3.8%. That is still below China's 5.5% rate (and the USA rate of 4.3%]. So the statement "The fatality rate of the disease is much higher than Covid-19," seems to be a false statement, (unless the Chinese have lied about their own statistics). The Chinese Embassy may well have picked up on underreporting (something China is itself famous for), but the spin they have put on it seems to be extreme. This might be to deflect attention as a WHO team is heading to China. |
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Tabitha111
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Medtwitter- is just what it sounds like...I follow a bunch of ID (infectious disease) docters (and many others who are not, but are somehow connected) on twitter..here is a quick list I put together from what is showing on my screen today. From here you can find many more... I am an information junkie...twitter feed is all ID or Weather (another hobby of mine) @DrDenaGrayson @DFisman @jeremyfaust @Brief_19 @linseymarr @HislopMD @PergamIC @BallouxFrancois @drannehuang @ashishkjha @meganranney @GermHunterMD @BradSpellberg @ASlavitt @domremaro @JenniferNuzzo @DrEricDing @jmugele @charlesornstein @AbraarKaran @bschapiroMD @kakape @EdTubb @AmeshAA @Crof @FluTrackers @florian_krammer @KrutikaKuppalli @mugecevik
@KindrachukJason
@MackayIM
@angie_rasmussen
@BogochIsaac
@BhadeliaMD @DrJudyStone @vitaincerta @bencowling88 @onisillos @EricTopol · · · · |
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Hey thanks Tab! I added all these folks to my twitter feed! |
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Yes I am. Too coincidental. |
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Tabitha111
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At last from Pub-Med Viewing the media reports (of which there are many), the only source of information about this pneumonia "more lethal than COVID-19" is the Chinese Embassy in Kazakhstan. All other reports available for review mention that the announcement of this "outbreak" was made by the Chinese Embassy. Interestingly there have been multiple media reports over the past few days mentioning that Kazakhstan doesn't have enough test kits for SARS-CoV-2 PCR testing, as well as the need for PPE, respirators, and medications. An unfortunately common occurrence when countries are overwhelmed by rapidly increasing cases of COVID-19 so that hospital beds are scarce, ICU beds even scarcer, and mortality increases due to the pandemic virus and due to an overwhelmed medical system in the country, in severely affected areas. A media report mentioned that Russia will be sending a shipment of identified needs (as mentioned above) including PCR testing kits. What is not mentioned in any media reports I've seen is information on the testing supplies currently used in Kazakhstan, including the test's sensitivity and specificity to have some idea of possible range of false negative results which might explain a proportion of the above mentioned increase in pneumonia cases. Another possibility is an increase in coinfections with other respiratory pathogens including viral and bacterial pathogens which may result in increased mortality from the coinfection. More information on this event from knowledgeable sources would be greatly appreciated. Atyrau borders on the Caspian Sea with the province bordering on the Russian Federation. Aktobe borders with Atyrau to its west and Shymkent is in the south central of Kazakhstan, bordering with Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan to its south. All countries with significant SARS-CoV-2 transmission ongoing. |
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I think the problem is that everyone wants to stay quiet about outbreaks so they are not blamed for it like China has already been blamed. If they would just provide all the information, we could actually prepare correctly! |
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I was discussing this with my niece just last night. It mutated when it migrated to Europe. I think it's mutating again now that it is in Eastern Europe/Central Asia. |
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It will probably mutate several times before the second wave, let alone before it's all over. If it ever is. |
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SO I think if these stories are true then it has possibly mutated but how can we find out more info? Do we have any people from China on here or does anyone have contacts over there? I really think we should be digging all we can into this because it has so many similarities. could be nothing but could be something! |
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For years I have been telling people to "get ready" always written off as a bit loony....as most of us have experienced. Thing is now everybody (apart from Chump) is Hyper aware of viruses....... So let's deal with this one ,1st and foremost......, In dealing with this CORRECTLY, we mitigate any possible 2nd,3rd wave....... Let's just focus on Covid19...... just my opinion....😉 |
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Date: Fri 10 Jul 2020 Source: Live Science [edited] https://www.livescience.com/kazakhstan-unknown-pneumonia-covid-19.html A Chinese embassy has issued a warning about a deadly "unknown pneumonia" circulating in Kazakhstan, but authorities outside of China say these cases are still likely COVID-19. On Thursday ([9 Jul 2020]), officials with the embassy in Kazakhstan issued an alert to residents that the unidentified pneumonia had killed more than 1700 people in Kazakhstan, including Chinese citizens, according to CNN. "The death rate of this disease is much higher than the novel coronavirus," the alert said, according to Newsweek. However, authorities in Kazakhstan denied such an outbreak, saying that "this information does not correspond to reality," CNN reported. A statement from Kazakhstan's health ministry said that there were "viral pneumonias of unspecified etiology" in the country. However, the statement said that the classification of "unspecified" was used for cases of COVID-19 that had been diagnosed based on symptoms but not confirmed with laboratory testing. In a press briefing for the World Health Organization (WHO) on Friday ([10 Jul 2020]), Dr. Michael Ryan, executive director of the WHO Health Emergencies Program, said that the news of this outbreak "is certainly on our radar," and that the organization is working with authorities in Kazakhstan to investigate it. These cases are likely COVID-19, given that there has been a big surge in COVID-19 in the country recently, with more than 10 000 such cases diagnosed there in the past week, Ryan said. WHO is now looking at the quality of testing conducted and whether some of these unspecified pneumonia cases are due to false-negative test results for COVID-19, he said. Ryan noted that clusters of atypical pneumonia can occur "anywhere in the world at any time," and can be due to a number of causes, including Legionnaires' disease (severe pneumonia caused by bacteria in the _Legionella_ genus) or influenza. "The upward trajectory of COVID-19 cases in the country would suggest that many of these cases are in fact undiagnosed cases of COVID-19," Ryan said. But, he added "we keep an open mind." [Byline: Rachael Rettner] -- Communicated by: ProMED-mail [My thoughts exactly. We had a similar "unexplained pneumonia" with high mortality report from Kano, Nigeria in the early stages of the initial surge of COVID-19 that was investigated by the Nigeria CDC and found to be due to COVID-19 (see Undiagnosed deaths - Nigeria (KN): http://promedmail.org/post/20200609.7446939 and Undiagnosed deaths - Nigeria (02): (KN) RFI responses, relation to COVID-19 http://promedmail.org/post/20200612.7463389 monitor findings, but I strongly suspect this is due to COVID-19.] |
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