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Technophobe
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Posted: November 01 2020 at 3:55pm |
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How do you tell if a politician is lying?
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Technophobe
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While Trump hides away in the White House, failing to hand over any access to administration bodies (despite homeland security saying the election was the freest and fairest ever) deaths from the virus keep rising. They are projected to reach 2,200 every single day by mid January. In one day, back in September 2000, 2,606 people in one building died in a plane attack. America went to war over that. Yet It only happened on one day. Why is it OK to die from a virus, but requires a massive response if the death is caused by a person or persons? So America is powerless to protect itself, from a disease its President told them was nothing to worry about, that is now killing 15 hundred a day and the numbers are rising. Records are being broken every day. Some ICU beds are at capacity (Utah for instance) others have very little slack and that is being taken up. Having a bit of a sulk when you lose a contest or race is unseemly, but understandable. But to allow this childish trait to kill the very people you have sworn to protect is unforgiveable. To aid or abet this is bloody unforgivable too. This could change the political demographic of the whole of the USA. It does not reflect well on some Republicans. Unity, patriotism and humanity should trump political leanings. Launching legal challenges over voting is the constitutional right of the loser (or the winner for that matter) but that does not include leaving American citizens to die, for the lack of an implementable plan. Blocking the comprehensive plans of the winner is an unforgiveable extension of this. The whole purpose of politics is to make people's lives better. That is not what is happening. |
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WitchMisspelled
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He won't do anything. His strategy in the Covid fight has always been herd immunity. He might not have said it, but his actions prove otherwise. If you're going to feel bad for anyone, don't let it be the American people. They've done nothing to help themselves. |
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They voted him out; he just won't go without leaving a 'scorched Earth' first. |
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WitchMisspelled
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If you haven't heard about the Executive order on Schedule F, do so. Sort of a spoilsport measure to completely destroy everything before Biden takes office. Trump is starting with the Pentagon. |
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carbon20
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The expression here is ........ "SAD LOSER"....... Making America look even worse...... Sorry to say...... |
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carbon20
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3000,per day,dead 300,000 DEAD TOTAL so far...... However...... Chump has it under control..... M.I.A....? No..... AWOL.....heel spurs.....flared up again......LMAO now he's lost the presidency and the war against ......covid..... Or should we now call it the TRUMP VIRUS....... he's caused more deaths than anyone or any country........ Stay safe all 😷😉 |
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Technophobe
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Found this, had to post it: I find it explains a great deal in a tiny sentence. I wish I was that eloquent |
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ViQueen24
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OMG, that says it all, Techno! A big part of the problem with that friend I broke up with a few months ago after I found out she was racist, was that she believed so much crap on Facebook, from untruths concerning Covid, to BLM, and because of some crap on Facebook that Ben Carson said, she believes that Margaret Sanger was "a big pusher of abortion" (my friend's words !!!) |
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carbon20
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I find it odd that a country that is so adamant about "their right " not to wear a mask..or their right to do just about anything..... But seem to deny a Woman's right to decide what is in her best interest when I comes to abortion........ Take care all.. .😷😉 |
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WitchMisspelled
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It's called patriarchy. |
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AI
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Here educated yourself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade |
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Technophobe
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Legislators and women's rights groups worry that the appointment of Coney-Barrett may precede the attempted overturning of "Roe V Wade". To quote the wikipedia article: Since 2010 there has been an increase in state restrictions on abortion. Several states have enacted so-called trigger laws which would take effect in the event that Roe v. Wade is overturned, with the effect of outlawing abortions on the state level. Those states include Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Dakota and South Dakota.[152] Additionally, many states did not repeal pre-1973 statutes that criminalized abortion, and some of those statutes could again be in force if Roe were reversed.[153] Don't get me wrong, I am not 100% in either camp. I believe in checks and ballances. I also think that using abortion as a method of contraception is deplorable. Abortion for many women, is devestating in itself and this is often forgotten in the big debates. I could never have had one myself, had I ever been so unlucky as to have had a contraceptive failure. But I have also seen Women in Some states having great difficulty in obtaining much-needed abortions and for fatal fetal abnormalites, discovered in the third trimester, the law is not fit for purpose, as it forces the women to bring these few pregnancies to term; This amounts to torture for both the mother and the baby. So, the USA is far from perfect in this area, and in a small danger of becoming far worse. But overall, it is a long way from the worst offender. Just try looking at Poland.................. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Poland |
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Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖
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WitchMisspelled
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And there's the skirt around legally. State legislation prohibiting late term abortions no matter what. Even then time frames vary depending on who's in control in that state in terms what constitutes "late-term". Then there's requirements of doctors, clinics, etc. curtailing access. Roe vs. Wade aside, if you're in the "wrong" state, a woman has little or no control over her own body. |
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ViQueen24
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Overturning Roe V. Wade has been a Republican wet dream for 48 years. And neither Kavanaugh nor Coney Barrett would go on record as to whether Roe V. Wade is settled law or not, therefore it is vulnerable to overturn. |
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AI
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And I guess getting a COVID vaccination should also be up to the individual as to have control over their own body. After all if you'r worried about COVID then you could get a vaccination and it wouldn't be a concern if other people choose not to get vaccinated now would it. |
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I have to agree with Witchy here, and I also suspect that this is what Carbon alludes to. Being legal can be in name only. It can still be almost impossible to obtain. And no. 8 months in should not be the mothers decision. But there should be exceptions for fatal fetal abnormalities. To put someone through the the risks and pain of childbirth, only to see the child die in agony is beyond inhumane. Foetuses are proto humans, but not fully developed yet. Every day that goes by increases the neurological development and with it the capacity for pain. By your argument, that is acceptable, if the alternative is giving exceptional status to the unviable. I argue that is inhumanly cruel. |
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And yet it's not "impossible" or even "nearly impossible" to obtain an abortion in every US state. The various states merely follow the above stipulations as imposed by SCOTUS via ROE V WADE. And "unviable" so does that include children with Down syndrome? How about blind children? Or deaf children? Or children born missing digits or limbs? What is "unviable" to be considered? Point being that is why there are limitations as to abortions because one persons viable is anothers unviable. And that range is rather wide. |
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I have seen the women forced to deliver. One spent 3 weeks watching her baby slowly die. I know Documentaries, for dramatic reasons, only film the worst cases of all. But this is still unacceptable. And America is still not the worst. The system at least tries to be fair and kind. I do not argue that it is intrinsically unfair; - Just that it needs tweeking a bit here and there. |
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ViQueen24
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My point exactly. Hence the concern on the part of pro-choicers. |
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a good sex education program at school, Access to free contraception, Would go a long way to lessen abortions..... I don't think an abortion past 3/4 months is a good option, However..... Ultimately it's up to the women.....as far as I'm concerned....... Life and death is very much with me at the moment This week my daughter is due to give birth to our 4th grand child Also this week my mother in law is in a covid ward in UK.... We are told she is going to die...... Just hoping it doesn't happen on the same day....... Stay safe all 😷😉...... |
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Oh, So Sorry, Carbon! My condolences to your wife. What a horrible thing, and just before Christmas. I wish I could do more than just say how sorry I am. This is the worst possible outcome for anyone. You are in my thoughts. |
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WitchMisspelled
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My deepest condolences, Carbon. It will be a bittersweet holiday for you and your family. Hugs, buddy! |
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WitchMisspelled
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How did a discussion on "control over pandemic" become an argument about abortion rights? I'm guilty too. Ooops...! |
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Thanks both, going to be a bit if a rollercoaster emotionally this week, haven't told daughter..... Sorry I went off at a tangent ,about abortion..... Nothing like a good debate..... Keeps mind off the mundane...everyday problems we all face.... Take care all 😷😉 |
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I am sorry to hear that you have been told to expect the bad news, Carbon. May the birth of a granddaughter outshine the sorrow. |
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carbon20
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Circle of life... EdwinSm...... Cheers... . |
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ViQueen24
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So sorry, Carbon! I send my condolences! As to how the subject turned in this thread, Witchy, blame me. I was talking about my racist friend a ways upthread... |
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Appologies AI, I only just realised that you asked me a question back there. Unviable = unable to survive outside the womb. Hence the reason for the exception IMHO in the third trimester. For the other trimesters, Roe V Wade seems reasonably fair. |
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WitchMisspelled
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No harm no foul, ViQueen. It was less about that then the responses that cascaded through. |
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WitchMisspelled
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It depends on the State, Technophobe. Some states consider second trimester late-term. |
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The Supreme Court ruled that a woman had the right to choose whether or not to have an abortion, and the three trimesters of pregnancy were used as a framework for its legality. In the first trimester, governments could not prohibit a woman from choosing to have an abortion as long as it was done by a licensed physician. In the second trimester, governments could enact medical regulations regarding abortions as long as they were tailored to protect the mother’s health. In the third trimester, governments could legally prohibit all abortions unless the procedure was necessary to protect the mother’s life or health.https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/abortion-laws-by-state |
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