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Usk
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Posted: October 21 2021 at 5:33pm |
Schools close and lock downs once again. Do you think they will tell the truth about their deaths this time? |
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WitchMisspelled
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Does anyone know if China and Russia shared vaccines? I've read that the Sino vax is far less effective than Moderna, Pfizer and even J&J. I don't know about Astra Zenica but I believe that's the vax they've been using in the UK and their infection rates are rising. |
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Yes i read that russia and China used the same vaccine |
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WitchMisspelled
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Then it would be the Sino vax. This isn't looking good. |
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Persian lady I know said to me months ago,that her family in Iran have been locked down for 10 months ,they won't have the vaccine because it's the sinovax which they didn't have much faith in..... (she is B'hai not Muslim) take care all 😷😉💉 |
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WitchMisspelled
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Bhai, Muslim, Hindu, Christian, whatever.... they're in a horrible situation. Those poor people. |
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I mentioned B'hai, because they are a very oppressed people in Iran,they still refer to themselves as Persian. I doubt that they would be getting "top shelf" medical aid..... As would be the case with all minorities in this pandemic..... (Take a look at Bangladesh,race war brewing , Hindu and Muslims,will spill over into India.....) Take care all 😷😉💉 |
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carbon20
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I'm sure that scientist all over the world ,apply and get funding from all over ,for all sorts of research projects,on the understanding that information is shared, I mean you would have to be brain dead not to research SARs 1, MERS, In this case there probably is a paper trail , ending up where? What's the point of the finger pointing ?? did anyone hold the USA responsible for the Spanish flu ? Take care all 😷😉💉 |
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<....> China has reported more than 133 cases across 11 provinces so far. All of them have been linked to the highly transmissible Delta variant. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-59033165 Would any other large country call 133 cases a surge? As with most of this outbreak the actions from China seem hard to reconcile with the low numbers (such as about 4,000 deaths but reports of over 45,000 urns being sent to Wuhan and the crematoriums running night and day, with temporary ones also brought in) |
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China and Russia developed their own vaccines....Russia's is called "Sputnik," and China's is 'Sinovax." They are somewhat primitive compared to mRNA vaccines. I guess the Commies hadn't gotten around to stealing the mRNA technology from the West yet. |
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carbon20
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That made laugh Doc, (My previous post was in the wrong thread ,should have been in docs thread,about Wuhan/ gain of function) |
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Others mentioned thrombocytopenia in this forum as early as 2006, though it was Mary008 who made the important connection to AstraZeneca on the Q Fever (Coxiella) thread of 14 Dec 2009: ‘Q fever causes transient thrombocytopenia.‘ But the adenovirus used as AstraZeneca vector ChAdOx1 is the ChAdY25 strain that came originally from Gambia, as will be shown. Hooper says on pp. 385-7: www.aidsorigins.com/wp-content/uploads/The-River-by-Edward-Hooper-2021-edition.pdf ’And there, in the chart depicting the passage history of the SM strain, was the revelation that SM pool N-90 had not been made in chick embryo tissue culture, as Koprowski had claimed, but instead in monkey kidney tissue culture....I could think of only two possible reasons....the opposition of his boss at Lederle, Herald Cox, to the use of MKTC because of his fear (well justified as it turned out) of contaminating monkey viruses. Herald Cox Https://.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._R._Cox |
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Hooper continues on p. 388: ‘Since the organisation of shipments of live monkeys from another country took time, a lot of interest was shown in a new technique proposed by Joseph Melnick, and backed by Dr. Payne of the WHO: that of extracting and trypsinizing the kidneys in the country of origin and then shipping the resultant cells by air....First described by Renato Dulbecco in 1954, this technique allowed a greater yield of tissue for poliovirus cultivation. .... Meanwhile, at the start of May 1955, Dr. Kingsley Sanders, representing the Medical Research Council of the United Kingdom, flew out to Fajara in British West Africa (in what is now The Gambia), where he obtained kidneys from four different monkey species....kidneys that had been trypsinized in West Africa prior to dispatch proved to be the most usable.’ Fajara, Gambia, is the area of origin for AstraZeneca’s SARS-CoV-2 vaccine vector adenovirus strain Y25. Hooper may not know of this connection. |
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Thrombocytopenia is expressed in HIV-1 and -2, and the Gambia was more HIV-2 than -1: (1989) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2748605 ChAdY25 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0040385 ’....We obtained and propagated the isolated virus and sequenced the viral genome (GenBank JN254802). Previous literature on this isolate is scarce, but the genome sequence data has confirmed early serological indications that this adenovirus is related to human adenovirus E, Had4....The serum of vector neutralization antibodies against Y25 was found to be similar to or lower than previously reported for other chimpanzee adenoviruses in the British and Gambian human populations tested. We therefore propose that ChAdY25 also has the potential to be an efficacious vaccine vector in human clinical trials.’ |
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Readers will hit a paywall when attempting the history of ChAdY25: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/4981794 |
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WD Hillis, Johns Hopkins, originally collected Y25 adenovirus from Pan troglodytes, apparently also a carrier of (human [italics]]) hepatitis virus. Again, a paywall, and the grant was linked to U.S. Air Force: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.3181/00379727-129-33322 |
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carbon20
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As I said up the page a bit, Someone has to research these viruses..... USA has always been the one with the most money to do the research,that's why they attract scientists from all over the world So it would be very easy to join the dots...... Bit harder in a totalitarian state like China/ Russian , But you can bet your bottom dollar they all do the research into these "slate wiper " viruses...... It's a matter of survival..... Take care all 😷😉💉 |
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I was aware that AZ vaccine was derived from monkey virus,the J&J would have been a better choice for me ,not available here in Oz. So I went for AZ. Will have booster of Pifzer next march,the advice here is 6 months after your last shot,ok to mix,which I had already decided to do...... Take care all 😷😉💉 P,S wonder if I catch covid in the meantime and survive,to have booster ?......anyone advise ? |
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The point is that ChAdOx1-nCoV-19 adenovirus links to HIV-1 and HIV-2 (the thrombocytopenia symptom) as well as malaria and hepatitis in The Gambia. Unlike the Sudan, malaria sufferers in The Gambia do not have the crisis form factor, which is a cytotoxic cytokine produced in some human hosts. Malaria in The Gambia has been compared with Vietnamese malaria, and those studies bring malaria into geographical perspective to the cytokines produced by SARS-CoV-2. We thus consider the WHO’s recent declaration of China as malaria-free to be a misleading declaration for those investigating the immune links to coronaviruses whose natural reservoir, like ebola‘s reservoir, is still unknown. There is a mosquito-vectored nidovirus in Vietnam with uridylate-specific endoribonuclease, linking the uridylate-specific endoribonuclease of other nidoviruses such as SARS-CoV-2. Thus, this Gambian chimpanzee adenovirus, Y25, requires further investigation having come from an Anopheles gambiae-vectored malaria zone. |
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Thanks Badger, Wasn't ebola first discovered in a bat cave ?could bats be the natural reservoir ? Also when Australia tried to produce a vaccine it was stopped because when tested the vaccine gave false readings of HIV.... interesting........ Take care all 😷😉💉 |
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RaTG13 is SARS-CoV-2’s closest relative, 96.5% similarity. It came from Tongguan copper mine, Mojiang County, Yunnan. That’s not close enough. Ebola’s reservoir is not named, though Marburg’s is: Rousettus fruit bat. The Mengla filovirus (Ebola and Marburg fqamily of viruses) came from a Chinese Rousettus at Mengla, south of Tongguan. Fruit bats vector high-mortality Nipah virus, linking tin mines in Malaysia. For HIV-1/-2, Hooper records iron mining at Mt. Nimba, Liberia. Just across the border in Ivory Coast is the Samapleu copper intrusion, Yorodougou. Prostitution at Mt. Nimba, buggering, and the hunting of monkeys, as Hooper records. |
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For the HIV connection, the coronavirus genome can naturally integrate retroviral elements, for example env (envelope). |
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One should view Fauci’s (Fau Chi’s) video at youtube where he gets the SARS-CoV-2 D614G mutation backwards. It’s also found in the Delta variant and first arose within one week of each other in China and in Germany. That mutation precisely links to VSV on which ebola vaccine is based, as the Uniprot page documents for SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. |
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Participants in the Wuhan Military Games returning to their respective countries would have increased potentials for copper homeostasis imbalance. According to Hooper and others, the streets of Wuhan were already deserted when the participants arrived. Linking malaria infection to copper homeostasis as well as poliovirus to SARS-CoV-2: Molnupiravir targets SARS-CoV-2 RdRp. Antibodies created by polio vaccination bind the RdRp of SARS-CoV-2 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34414206 Pointing to the CAR receptor (coxsackie-adenovirus receptor): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22708837 ’Introduced mutations ablate CAR binding....This vector does not agglutinate human erythrocytes, fails to cause thrombocytopenia after intravenous delivery, has limited induction of pro-inflammatory cytokines and results in low-level toxicity.’ Similar to poliovirus, coxsackie is also a picornavirus. Coxsackie / Copper https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32558428 ’....ATP7A copper transporting P-type ATPase....Through copper supplementation, intracellular cytoplasmic nuclear and mitochondrial copper levels are improved, but still, the trans face of the Golgi with secretory functions remains deficient in copper.’ One malaria link to copper homeostasis: ATP7B / Plasmodium https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31976503 Rather than the seafood market in Wuhan, a map shows the location of ancient Sanjiang Tethyan geology, with deposits of Ag-Pb-Zn-Cu: If the URL works, we’ll point out the locations for the Mengla filovirus from Rousettus fruit bat that links ebola and Marburg in Africa. |
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Readers can retrieve the page, and click on the first entry “Recent Posts.” Mengla filovirus came from the paleobasin where Yunnan borders with Laos. Northward, RaTG13, SARS-CoV-2’s closest relative, came from the Tongguan copper mine in the Simao Basin, ne of Puer, about where the ‘VI’ is on the map. Thus, copper metabolism may be implicated in the evolution of SARS-CoV-2. |
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