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    Posted: November 11 2021 at 8:49am

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/11/netherlands-breaks-coronavirus-records-16000-new-infections-today[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/11/netherlands-breaks-coronavirus-records-16000-new-infections-today ;

The Netherlands shattered two grim coronavirus records on Thursday. Some 16,364 people were diagnosed with the SARS-CoV-2 infection between Wednesday and Thursday morning, the most ever in a single day. That pushed the seven-day moving average up to 12,378, breaking the previous record of 11,788 from December 22.

A combination of raw and corrected data demonstrates that 86,384 people tested positive for the infection during the past seven days, slightly lower than the average indicates. The previous record, based solely on corrected data, was 82,099.


The records were shattered at a moment that the Outbreak Management Team reportedly issued recommendations for two weeks of "lockdown-like" measures. This includes cancelling events, closing cinemas, shutting theater doors, restricting opening hours for hospitality businesses, and limiting group sizes. The issue will be debated by national and local politicians on Thursday and Friday, with a decision expected to be announced during a press conference on Friday evening.

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About 17.5 percent of those tested by the GGD from November 3 - 9 received a positive diagnosis. That remains the highest in over 12 months, but is still lower than a peak recorded in October 2020 of 18.5 percent.

Testing figures are also rising rapidly, with 66,000 people tested daily during that same period in November, compared to 59,500 the week before, and 45,000 the preceding period. Testing has returned to levels not seen since the end of April.

The three cities with the most new infections were Amsterdam (614), Rotterdam (589), and The Hague (391). For the latter it was one of the highest daily figures on record.

Covid hospital total nears 1,700

Hospitals were also treating 1,699 people with Covid-19 on Thursday afternoon, up three percent in a day. The hospital total has gone up 28 percent compared to last Thursday. A similar increase would put the figure at 2,178. A month ago there were 512 people with the disease in hospitals.

The current hospital total includes 330 people in intensive care units, the most since June 7. That figure was three more than on Wednesday, after accounting for new admissions, discharges and deaths.

The other 1,369 people were being treated in a regular care ward, a net increase of 49. That pushed that figure to its highest point since February 12.

Some 1,464 people with Covid-19 were hospitalized the past seven days, including 225 in the past 24 hours. The average number of daily hospitalizations has gone up 20 percent to 209 per day. That includes 27 sent directly to an ICU, up from 22 a week ago

DJ [url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/11/outbreak-team-wants-2-week-lockdown-stop-covid-infections-report[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/11/outbreak-team-wants-2-week-lockdown-stop-covid-infections-report 

So far politics did take half steps...reopening to soon again and again and again....[url]https://outbreak.info/location-reports?loc=NLD[/url] or https://outbreak.info/location-reports?loc=NLD ...If the N501Y variants are also on the increase in NL (like in France, Germany) is a bit unclear...

Vaccination [url]https://coronadashboard.government.nl/landelijk/vaccinaties[/url] is 84,8% fully vaccinated 18+ y/o, 82,4% 12+ y/o. 

Poor urban area's see increase of vaccinations due to buses...Biggest problems in orthodox christian groups and under 18 y/o (under 12 still no vaccinations). Also still no decission on booster vaccines...

Another "pseudo" lockdown may end support for this "government"...will see more social unrest.

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I don't understand the "Christian" folks reluctants to get the vaccine,

To me a non believer,

Jesus represents "the healer" didn't he go round healing and looking after people ?

Wouldn't he say "stay alive"

I've said similar to a JW I know about the "blood ban"I said "if Jesus was standing next to a person bleeding out in need of a transfusion,would he allow a transfusion ?

I work with a very religious Muslim man,we have spoken about the ban on eating pork,

Just say a Muslim was starving to death,and the only option was to eat the pig ,he says it would be allowed in Islam , because the preservation of life is the most important thing ,he says God will forgive you for eating the pork in this instance........

So any one out who is of these devote Christians please explain the reluctance of these people,just to give me an insight in to the  reasoning.

Not looking to get into a debate about religion ,just interested......

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There is discussion in the christian orthodox community. A lot of these people do see the contradiction in refusing a vaccine but accepting care. 

Another factor making a lot of these people accept vaccination is the very high level of infection, disease, death among them. Vaccination is not meant to go against their believes...more like a safety-belt in a car, a helmet on a motor-bike...

One reason for going mandatory could be saving people from these kind of "pseudo-religious" doubts...but then still you would have to avoid confrontation-have to go for talking them into accepting vaccines. 

Israel has a lot of experience with orthodox groups. You may have to accept you can not save all of them...May have to choose isolating some high risk groups to avoid they do spread the virus. 

Not taking vaccines has consequences, even with vaccines getting less protective against infection. 

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DJ, Today numbers "dropped" [url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/12/16000-coronavirus-infections-2nd-straight-day-hospital-total-tops-1750[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/12/16000-coronavirus-infections-2nd-straight-day-hospital-total-tops-1750 ......

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/12/netherlands-will-start-2g-coronavirus-pass-system-3-week-lockdown-report[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/12/netherlands-will-start-2g-coronavirus-pass-system-3-week-lockdown-report Closing restaurants at 8 pm, cinema's theatre still open...trust on QR-vaccine passports...[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/12/tens-thousands-falsified-covid-qr-codes-sold-schiphol-test-center-scam[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/12/tens-thousands-falsified-covid-qr-codes-sold-schiphol-test-center-scam ...

The present "politics" want to even increase QR-codes eventhough most of the spread is in the vaccinated group.....(and to many QR-codes are false). 

We had a press conference about ten days ago...next press moment december 3...Maybe then our "government" may come with something usefull...

Given [url]https://twitter.com/UseBy2022[/url] or https://twitter.com/UseBy2022Overall Canadian modeling of AY.25 would suggest that it has roughly a 5% selective advantage over the original B.1.617.2 Delta strain, which would explain why it has taken over in Saskatchewan quite quickly. (4/9)

and ; AY.4.2 and AY.4.2.1 both have Y145H so I'm using s:Y145H to see how fast its spreading - 16% as of today in the UK. Can't help feeling ad Delta, particularly AY.4 went down AY.4.2 went up yeah I know some of its just reclassification math.

I do not have any idea on how to get out of this crisis....

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https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-business-pandemics-restaurants-699603f1f491080bac8eadc9cdf349d7



THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — Caretaker Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte announced a three-week partial lockdown Friday amid surging COVID-19 cases in the Netherlands, saying his government wants to “deliver a hard blow to the virus.”


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BBC News - Covid: Dutch partial Covid lockdown sparks protests

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59258409


Water cannons used on theses protesters...... LMAO......

I did predict this happening.......

Common sense rules....

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Maybe put a few NL links [url]https://coronadashboard.government.nl/[/url] or https://coronadashboard.government.nl/ has a lot of info on CoViD (etc) in NL (Dutch CDC-RIVM).

[url]https://outbreak.info/location-reports?loc=NLD[/url] or https://outbreak.info/location-reports?loc=NLD gives more info on variants (of Delta+ for now).  B.1617.2 ("old" Delta) remains the largest subgroup 35%, AY.43 with 27%, AY.9-12% and AY.4 at 10% make 57% of the sequences...AY.43 and AY.4 seem to be increasing still...

Some sub-types have mutations that may bring limited increased infectivity (+5%)-this could explain why some subtypes increase...also evading immunity.

NL has 84,4% of 18+, 82,4% of 12+ vaccinated [url]https://coronadashboard.government.nl/landelijk/vaccinaties[/url] or https://coronadashboard.government.nl/landelijk/vaccinaties ...problem is under 12 still not getting vaccinated, boostervaccinations are much to slow...

[url]https://twitter.com/drericding[/url] or https://twitter.com/drericding ; INSANITY—The only reason NetherlandsVlag van Nederland is taking stricter measures against #COVID19 is because NL can no longer transfer & dump sick patients to GermanyVlag van Duitsland. That is horrific & callous policy. Pijl naar rechtsBasically, as long as you can dump bodies elsewhere, it’s fine.

DJ The "pseudo government" only has been looking at ICU capacity...ignoring all other warning signs...The basic message for younger people has been "you run very limited risk-but you have to protect the more vulnerable"...for the rest "saving economy"...

One of the reasons NL has had so many major outbreaks (Legionella, Q-fever, bird/swine flu etc.) is ignoring risks...

NL is a very good example on how NOT to manage risks ! Relatively good healthcare did limit most of the damage...In this pandemic NL started late/slow with vaccines-but at the end did get a lot of people vaccinated...but now repeating earlier mistakes...

Testing capacity may be at around 100,000 tests per day...in these days testing is in some regions out of capacity. The reason why we had "just" over 13,000 new cases yesterday had to do with "technical problems" in reporting....Staff is becoming a very serious problem in NL healthcare...

Even if the numbers would decrease somewhat the duration of overstretching healthcare has brought it close to collapse...

With winter on its way, Delta+ increasing we are on our way to "code black" selection of patients that can get care... one of the criteria may become "years of life lost" -younger patients first...(with vaccination status less important then choices/expectations of what care can provide...Over 80's hardly get to ICU...). 

We are in a very serious crisis allready. Latest "pseudo lockdown" will not make much difference...

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DJ-Today over 20,000 new cases, over 20% in children, young people...In NL under 12 can not get vaccinated...also boosters still have to start...with cases exploding...

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/16/netherlands-sets-records-daily-coronavirus-infections-positivity-rate-2000-hospitalized[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/16/netherlands-sets-records-daily-coronavirus-infections-positivity-rate-2000-hospitalized

Over 20 thousand people were diagnosed with an infection of the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus between Monday and Tuesday morning, the first time that has happened in a single day since the start of the pandemic. Raw data from the RIVM showed that 20,252 people tested positive during the 24-hour period, setting a new record. That pushed the seven-day moving average up to 15,835, the sixth consecutive record-breaking day.

The daily data released on Tuesday also includes some data missing from over the weekend. That was caused by a telecommunications failure at the GGD, the RIVM said at the time.


About 19.6 percent of people tested by the GGD health services during last calendar week were diagnosed with the infection, the highest figure ever reported. On the last day of the week, 22.2 percent of those tested received news they were infected, also a single-day record.

DJ "technical issues" allways show up in NL when cases go up....

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/16/110000-positive-coronavirus-tests-last-week-sharp-rise-among-children[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/11/16/110000-positive-coronavirus-tests-last-week-sharp-rise-among-children

A new record for the highest number of coronavirus infections reported in a weekly summary by Dutch health authorities was set on Tuesday. The National Institute for Public Health and the Environment (RIVM) received 110,558 reports of positive tests during the seven-day period ending on Tuesday morning. That is almost 44 percent more than in the previous week.

"In the past week, the largest increase can be seen in the number of reports from children aged 4 to 12 years," the RIVM said. The data showed that 9,416 children between 5 and 9 tested positive, an 85-percent increase in a week. Cases among 10-14 year olds rose by 76 percent to over 11,000, and there was a 62 percent increase among newborns and toddlers through 4 years of age.


"Out of every 100,000 inhabitants, 628 people received a positive test result." The increase was significant among the older population, though much smaller than growth among children. For example, the number of infections among people over 90 rose by 20 percent, and by 28 percent when considering just those in their eighties.

DJ NOT protecting children the older people is criminal...care-collapse...

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