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Study shows risk benefit ratio of 2:3 for Vaxx |
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A-I
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Posted: December 06 2021 at 10:35pm |
The Walach paper published in Science, Public Health Policy and the Law which is a peer-reviewed medical journal. |
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Dutch Josh
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Interesting ! DJ-I think "most" (including Geert van den Bossche) see little problem in vaccinating the most vulnarable.... Also-major point-Non Pharma Interventions- are also a good tool with shown effectivity ! If I had a choice between vaccines and limiting 90/95% of air travel in a pandemic I would stop air travel ! (BTW [url]https://www.lareb.nl/bijwerkingen-coronavaccins[/url] or https://www.lareb.nl/bijwerkingen-coronavaccins internet problem ?) |
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"Facts don't care about your feelings" I'M A UNVAXXED DEVIL so kiss my rebel ass.
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Just to clarify the position in the UK for 12-15 year olds as its interesting situation Link to news article showing government over ruling science body. |
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Thank you for the information Hazel pad! I have youngish kids and all information, pro or con is good in my eyes. We are a bit behind in NI lol but eventually things roll out here too. |
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I sometimes get the feeling the main reason for pushing vaccines is to keep the economy going - NOT public health ! For children less school-more study at home-may be wiser... [url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/12/07/mandatory-testing-travelers-countries-worrying-covid-variant-outbreak-team[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/12/07/mandatory-testing-travelers-countries-worrying-covid-variant-outbreak-team ...More testing also could limit spread...... |
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Thanks for that quote Hazelpad. If a child is healthy there seems to be almost no risk of a severe outcome from Covid so it seems strange to be vaccinating them. I saw an English doctor say that any vaccination should only be given for the benefit of the recipient, not for the benefit of others. And that makes sense. We all have the polio vaccination because it will protect us from polio which is devastating to everyone, but Covid is only devastating to people who are vulnerable and as you get older, the risk increases, so it makes sense for those people to get jabbed, but not children (unless vulnerable). Over here they have introduced the jab for 12-17 year olds and today they are reporting the problems schools are having trying to organise school trips and activities when half the children are vaxxed and half aren't. Some swimming pools are only allowing vaxxed people in, and so that means no swimming lessons, the same with some museums, so camp grounds etc. It's proving to be a logistical nightmare. Due to medical privacy laws, the schools also don't know who is vaxxed and who isn't unless the parents tell them. It is widely anticipated that in Jan they will extend the age group to include 5's and upwards. The rationale behind this is very dubious. |
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Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.
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peer reviewed study out of Michigan State. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34873910/
Mechanisms of SARS-CoV-2 Evolution Revealing Vaccine-Resistant Mutations in Europe and AmericaThe importance of understanding SARS-CoV-2 evolution cannot be overlooked. Recent studies confirm that natural selection is the dominating mechanism of SARS-CoV-2 evolution, which favors mutations that strengthen viral infectivity. Here, we demonstrate that vaccine-breakthrough or antibody-resistant mutations provide a new mechanism of viral evolution. Specifically, vaccine-resistant mutation Y449S in the spike (S) protein receptor-binding domain, which occurred in co-mutations Y449S and N501Y, has reduced infectivity compared to that of the original SARS-CoV-2 but can disrupt existing antibodies that neutralize the virus. By tracking the evolutionary trajectories of vaccine-resistant mutations in more than 2.2 million SARS-CoV-2 genomes, we reveal that the occurrence and frequency of vaccine-resistant mutations correlate strongly with the vaccination rates in Europe and America. We anticipate that as a complementary transmission pathway, vaccine-breakthrough or antibody-resistant mutations, like those in Omicron, will become a dominating mechanism of SARS-CoV-2 evolution when most of the world's population is either vaccinated or infected. Our study sheds light on SARS-CoV-2 evolution and transmission and enables the design of the next-generation mutation-proof vaccines and antibody drugs. |
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A-I
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Thanks for the article KSC And per your posted article "By tracking the evolutionary trajectories of vaccine-resistant mutations in more than 2.2 million SARS-CoV-2 genomes, we reveal that the occurrence and frequency of vaccine-resistant mutations correlate strongly with the vaccination rates in Europe and America. Seems to back up the positions of some virologist such as Montagnier and Bossche that the vax is driving mutations of covid. And those variants are stronger and/or more transmittable as well as being vaxx resistant. |
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