Tracking the next pandemic: Avian Flu Talk |
AUGUST 1997 I need a myth buster |
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araywood
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Posted: March 30 2006 at 6:02pm |
Hi guys......this is long SORRY, I have had it a while I even correct the spelling and I had to remove the hyperlinks (they have been deleted????) there were pictures that went along with this. I don't know, do you guys think this is BS????? were did this come from???? Someone sent it to me. It actually is two stories???? THANKS
BIRD FLU STARTED IN See how big this hole was; it stayed open for 4 days before being recovered. Enough time for optimum thaw for a dormant virus to revive especially in the middle of August in
On his solitary expedition, the Edit: Spoon - Text Size
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Spoon
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I heard about Johan Hultin and his Alaskan journey last year, but never put this togther. Is it possible or just coincidence?
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It's not so much the apocalypse... but the credit card bills ;-)
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araywood
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THANKS for reading it. I posted on FLUWIKI about 2 months ago just try to figure it out. OMG you would of thought I was patient Zero. They thought I was niman protegy.
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Makes sense in a Niman kinda way... only kidding.... I've nominated him for a Nobel.
Have you verified the exhumation happened when it's stated that it occurred? I remember it being more recent, but my memory is pretty crappy.
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Spoon
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I was able to verify the year, 1997... just not the month yet. |
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Spoon
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Okay... it was August 1997. Dr. Johan Hultin exhumed the body of a very well preserved female, he named lucy, who was infected with the 1918 strain. Four months later H5N1 is first reported in Asia.
I could be way off base here... but very intriguing indeed!
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mightymouse
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How Bizarre. This is right up there with a butterfly in Africa being responsible for Hurricane Katrina. And also note how the naysayers will spin this:
Thieving Minimalist Quack Digs Up The Dead-
On his solitary expedition, the
Well - anyway - at least we exported 'something' to China instead of the other way around. And what thanks do we get?
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Ya know.... I don't believe in coincidences. The virus exists all happy and normal from 1959 until 1997 and then BANG. What else happened in 1997? Lucy.
<SZ scratches head, and wonders>
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Ironstone
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1997 was the year the father and son died outside of HK. If H1N1 was back in the birds then why did H5N1 not pick up 190 from it? Also H1N1 was quite letal, why no rodent deaths and such form the bird dying?
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Spoon
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I love a good mystery.
Time to do some more investigating.
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Ironstone
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The first known case of human infection with influenza A(H5N1) occurred in a 3-year-old boy who died from respiratory failure in May 1997
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Spoon
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I guess that blows this theory out of the water. Although it's a little strange how one toddler gets it in May and 15 people get it in Nov/Dec.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm...
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The first known case of human infection with influenza A(H5N1) occurred in a 3-year-old boy who died from respiratory failure in May 1997 (1). Of the 15 remaining confirmed cases, five persons had onset of illness in November and 10 in December; all three persons with suspected cases had onset during December. No cases have been identified with onset after December 28, 1997. Ages of persons with confirmed cases ranged from 1 to 60 years (mean age: 17 years) and, for persons with suspected cases, from 3 to 7 years (mean age: 5 years). Nine (47%) cases occurred among persons aged less than or equal to 5 years. Four persons with confirmed cases have died, and three remain in critical condition.
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Scientists discover deadly bird flu began in ScotlandFRASER NELSON AND JIM GILCHRIST
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Scientists tracing the history of the H5N1 virus have traced its first recorded episode to an Aberdeen farm. The dead bird was taken to Surrey for medical examination, after infecting two flocks of chickens. But while British medical authorities are preparing to cope with a pandemic of a new H5N1 outbreak from South-east Asia, the case notes of the original Scottish case have not been consulted, on the grounds that the virus has grown far heartier and deadlier over the past 46 years. The reams of research papers tracing the history of H5N1, which resurfaced in South Korea two years ago, show academics are unanimous in identifying the virus as being effectively made in Scotland. A scientist identified only as Dr JE Wilson, of the Veterinary Laboratory in Lasswade, outside Edinburgh, is recorded as having worked on the case - sending the chicken to Addlestone, where the strain was medically isolated so it could be used in experiments. The Scottish H5N1 has been used in experiments, named "chicken/Scotland/1959". It was the first of 21 avian flu outbreaks that have affected the world - including English turkeys in 1963, 1979 and 1991. But none showed the powers of contagion seen by the eight Asian countries to have confirmed H5N1, which has killed 69 people and 100 million birds. Tom Pennycott, an avian veterinary specialist at the Scottish Agricultural College at Auchincruive, Ayrshire, said the virus may have the same title, but other characteristics will have changed over 46 years. "The H5N1 that was found back in 1959 would have been quite different to the one that's around now," he said. "Similarly, there was an H5N1 down in Norfolk in December 1991 and it will be different to the H5N1 that's about just now." He added that the only additional information he has been able to find about the H5N1 in Scotland was that two flocks of chickens were infected. The total number of birds affected, however, was not reported. No medical agency in Scotland or England was able to give many details - except to say that the disease has become heartier and deadlier since it was found in Scotland. There is also no sign of Dr Wilson. The Moredun Research Institute at Penicuik said that it had no record of him and that he was likely to have passed away. Flu strains are named after the various H and N protein codes recognised by the immune system. No H5 flu had ever spread to humans before 1997, when Hong Kong reported six casualties. The 1959 Scottish H5N1 was - like all its successors - incapable of moving from species to species. But this changed last year, when the South Korean version showed itself capable of infecting pigs, rodents and humans. Scientists have been most alarmed at the fast rate of H5N1's mutation. For the first time, the virus can survive in chicken faeces and in dead meat, without requiring the flow of fresh blood. This has made it stealthier, claiming victims who had no obvious connection with the agricultural industry. But its low human death toll suggests that the disease has yet to pass from human to human. Meanwhile, Tony Blair, the Prime Minister, met British farmers yesterday and said he agreed with the National Farmers Union that chicken remained safe to eat. FOR a good description of the spread of H5N1 and some of the conditions in Asia which contributed to that spread, refer to Mike Davis's book: Monster at Our Door:The Global Threat of Avian Flu |
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Well, Dang! It was a fun exercise while it lasted. And had all the makings of a great Made-for-TV-Movie.
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araywood
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Yea like I said 1 story was sent to me the other I found searching, then I found Dr Niman's site with the swan sequence a while after the article. I will post the picture I did save. Unfortunatly I did not get all the pictures. All the sites have since been disabled???? If you never here from me again then I was disabled just like those sites LOL.
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What's the frost depth there, a few meters from the sea? Could the body even have been frozen for almost 90 years? If so, then he digs 7 feet into solidly frozen ground with garden clippers?
What does the outside air temperature (16 degrees) have to do with a virus that needs to reside in a living cell to replicate?
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I'm still reading, give me more information, SZ it's still a good sounding book.
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JaxMax
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I say lets just blame the French.
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He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm.Proverbs 13:20, The Bible
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Cant find that one but found this one http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/dogflu.asp
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I'm not afraid, I'm paranoid. Dont talk too loud, they are listening.
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araywood
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I am glad this guy isn't my surgeon, looks like he took the whole garage.
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