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http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/guidelines/avian2006-04-9.pdf

Take this link to WHO's pages, to see its newly posted "preparedness and mitigation in refugee and displaced populations" document (a long one). It is apparently intended for use by non-governmental agencies.

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Prof.Ferguson Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Adviser Group Joined: April 01 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 171	Post Options Post Reply Quote Prof.Ferguson Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: WHO web page item Posted: April 08 2006 at 5:27am
	http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/guidelines/avian2006-04-9.pdf Take this link to WHO's pages, to see its newly posted "preparedness and mitigation in refugee and displaced populations" document (a long one). It is apparently intended for use by non-governmental agencies.
	Time's up. It's here. If you're not ready, you should have been - we all were warned.

Prof.Ferguson Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Adviser Group Joined: April 01 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 171	Post Options Post Reply Quote Prof.Ferguson Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April 08 2006 at 5:27am
	Sorry for the red text,I had copy/paste trouble :)
	Time's up. It's here. If you're not ready, you should have been - we all were warned.

Raven Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List V.I.P. Member Joined: March 30 2006 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 48	Post Options Post Reply Quote Raven Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April 08 2006 at 11:03am
	I 've down loaded the report and had a quick look. I find that 'sober' approach of WHO scares me more than some of the more extreme expressions of fear found on this sight. One point that I found of interested in preps, is the recommenation to use ashes for disinfecting hands if soap was not available. As I have some wood burning stoves, I have access to ashes. Anyone have any idea of how much to use. I will have to fill the information incase things get bad enough that I am out of soap,

Guests Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April 08 2006 at 12:11pm
	Check out Soap-making pages and learn how to make homemade lye soap. Wood ash contains a substance called potassium hydroxide (Lye) you use lye and some type of fat such as tallow or lard or some other fat and mix it with the lye you extract from wood ash and with a little effort you have a good homemade lye soap. Tim http://waltonfeed.com/old/soaphome.html http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_ashlye.html Edited by lsu2001 - April 08 2006 at 12:15pm

Buttercup Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Valued Member Joined: April 06 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5	Post Options Post Reply Quote Buttercup Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April 08 2006 at 12:47pm
	Go buy soap now!! If you buy a gallon of Dr. Bronner's liquid soap and dilute (you can even use an empty pop bottle to do this) it to one part soap to 4 (or even can be 5 if stretching it) parts water, then you have 4 (or 5) GALLONS of liquid soap! That should be enough for a year or more! Lye is a very dangerous chemical!! One gallon of liquid soap costs about $30.00....go now!!
	Prepare Relentlessly!

Guests Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April 08 2006 at 12:51pm
	LYE is not dangerous if properly handled. I use it in my science classroom all the time and it is very easy to follow safety guidelines. People from my grandparents time period and my parents childhood times made their own lye soap and it is not hard to do and is very economical. Please do not overstate the danger of LYE. For petes sake you can buy it at walmart. TIm

Ravendawn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Valued Member Joined: March 16 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 462	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ravendawn Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April 08 2006 at 1:04pm
	Many plants contain a substance called SAPONINS these are natural soap substitutes if you are considering using alternative soaps please be careful some extracts can be poisonous in the wrong quantity.

tonseck Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Adviser Group Joined: March 06 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 316	Post Options Post Reply Quote tonseck Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April 08 2006 at 1:09pm
	IF YOU NEED TO, washing your hands with ashes seems counterintuitive, but it is true that the lye in the ashes will act as a surfactant. Go ahead and experiment, you won't kill yourself.
	Don't be afraid to be afraid; it keeps you on your toes.

Guests Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April 08 2006 at 1:39pm
	http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/guidelines/avian2006-04-9.pdf The WHO article recommends on pages 30 & 32 to have 2 months preps PLUS a 50% buffer....that means we all need to have THREE MONTHS PREPS! This is the greatest amount of preps I've seen a government agency list. Did someone above mention Walmart..... Edited by Annie - April 08 2006 at 1:41pm

Guests Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April 08 2006 at 1:46pm
	We make 6 varieties of lye soap using goats milk, 3 different oils and herbs. Lye is not dangerous once it is processed. lard is not a good idea, even though people have used it for ages, grease plugs the pores !!

Fiddlerdave Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Valued Member Joined: February 09 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 259	Post Options Post Reply Quote Fiddlerdave Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April 08 2006 at 2:03pm
	Love Dr. Bronner's! And if you are depressed, the bottle makes great inspirational reading!
	Dave "Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for us"!

moonlady Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote moonlady Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April 08 2006 at 2:18pm
	Where do you buy Dr. Bronner's soap?

Buttercup Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Buttercup Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April 08 2006 at 4:28pm
	Moonlady, Camping store or Vitamine Shoppe sell Dr Bronner's in the gallon size. Isu2001, There are large warnings not to let lye touch your skin or clothing or eyes and not to reuse any container you put it in. Maybe you're an experienced science teacher with the propper equipment and lab training but you have no idea who is reading this thread (any 9 yr old could get here) and it is more than a little bit irresponsible to make it seems like an easy 15 minute Sunday afternoon craft project. I do have a book on this subject and I thought it too much trouble to get into right now and so decided to go purchase the liquid soap (which my family has loved and used for years....keeping conitinuity in lifestyle). I have a right to share my opinion on this if I choose. Besides, I have a lot more important things to do at the moment than play chemist in my kitchen especially since there is plenty of product out there at the present time. ps. a dituted soap also requires less water for rinsing which is another plus in times when water is a very valuable product itself.

oknut Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List V.I.P. Member Joined: March 04 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 847	Post Options Post Reply Quote oknut Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April 08 2006 at 4:33pm
	I have made lye soap as a hobby and it's not too dangerous if you follow directions. You just have to use common sense, but there must be thousands of brands of commercial soaps and oodles of wonderful outlets for homemade soaps, scented to your liking. Purchased soap can be very inexpensive or very expensive, depending on what you buy and where you purchase it. If a person wants to play with making soap that's fast and completely safe, they can purchase the glycerin soap bases and just add ingredients to scent and/or color the soap. Pour it into some molds and you have gentle, customized soap in no time. You can melt the glycerin soap bases in the microwave. It's easy and safe enough for children to do. On the other hand, making homemade lye soap can be very time consuming. There are some more modern methods to speed the soponification (sp) up using stick blenders, but the old fashioned method can require a lengthy period of continual stirring before the magic happens. Then the results are poured into molds and should be well insulated so that they cool slowly. Once finished, they should be aged before using. Unless a person really wants to experience doing it, plans to develop a business or has a ready supply of raw materials - I'd just go buy more soap.

Fiddlerdave Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Valued Member Joined: February 09 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 259	Post Options Post Reply Quote Fiddlerdave Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April 08 2006 at 4:34pm
	I think Trader Joe's has large size too. Yes, with Dr. Bronners, well diluted, you can do a very nice sponge bath with a wet cloth rinse. Did this at Burning Man for a week (very little water there), works very well. Edited by Fiddlerdave - April 08 2006 at 4:36pm
	Dave "Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for us"!

sweets Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List V.I.P. Member Joined: February 08 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 239	Post Options Post Reply Quote sweets Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April 08 2006 at 5:17pm
	Yes, with Dr. Bronners, well diluted, you can do a very nice sponge bath with a wet cloth rinse. Did this at Burning Man for a week (very little water there), works very well.
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