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RedCloud,Mediclinician,HItech

RedCloud- ClapI sure do appreciate your calm demeanor. I came here for the flu information. Not vein bursting rants about President Bush and our Goverment. Your posts have a diffusing affect after Hitech's. Thank you.
Medclinician-ClapThank you for your viewpoint and your levelheadedness.
It does not go unappreciated or unnoticed. I agree with you 100% about the devastating 911 and loss of our Fellow Americans.
Hi-tech-ShockedSir, I suggest you review your  preps and make sure you have extra fiber. Also, have a physical soon. A complete one, check the blood pressure.
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Thank you as well, Mediclinician.  When I start to read phrases such as "Homeland Gestapo" and "psychotic fruitcakes" I generally just ignore it, but I appreciate your post here. 

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I just scanned back to see how long the "discussion" of hitech's propaganda has been going on. On May 25th!! at 10:23am, his second attempt to hi-jack the thread was successful. (The first attempt was on May 19th at 3:15pm.) This is such a waste of time and space on the thread; it also is VERY off-putting to any new members who might be scanning threads for INFORMATION! Imagine that! Real facts!

IMHO, someone with the authority or access should have stopped this nonsense on May 25th. Some of you did try: Red Cloud, Medclinician, and others. Where are the administrators?? To me this is a flagrant misuse of the forum. Please correct me, Admin, if I am wrong.
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It says right on the front page in big letters: H5N1 AVIAN FLU FORUM.

I don't see anything about "Dick Cheney Eats Puppies For Breakfast."
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I'm with you redcloud. My kids come to me with complaints about other kids that do and say mean things, I tell them 'stupid people don't count, so just pretend they're not there'.  Maybe if the admin won't or can't do anything about hitech, the advice I give to the kids would work here. That's what I do anyway, just scroll right through his posts. I agree with you though that posts of this nature could be off-putting to some people who have just arrived and they could miss the important information that is here on the site. This site has been, for me, a great source of information and I would hate to see a new person not get the info they need and fail to be prepared.
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It's usually best to ignore those who try and hijack a thread (ie "don't feed the trolls") - when you reply to or arguing with them it just encourages further thread drift.
 
And in most cases it's best for the admins to leave these types of threads / posts/ users alone.  Starting down the slippery slope of banning users and locking or deletings threads and posts is best avoided.
 
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Why don't you people grow up?  "more prepared than you could..." nyah, nyah, nyah, are we 39 or 13 here?
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jofq.  love that term, thread drift...
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Originally posted by gpthesailor gpthesailor wrote:

jofq.  love that term, thread drift...

Gp,

You're right. My last word on this is to hitech is: Here's a dime. Call someone who gives a S.    

Perhaps this thread has simply outlived its usefulness.
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Hitech,

Please stop the trhead creep on this and other threads, and start a thread in the discussion forum.

Your opinions are a discussion, not current news on H5N1. You are making the news section less effeicient.

Also, If you stopped calling people ignorant and nuts and using other names and personal attacks, and stick to providing references and logically stating history, you may win over more converts. i understand your enthusiasm, but you are coming agross in a negative light.

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'Mach' Your constructive critique has been well received. I acknowledge. Those wanting the truth will seek it out. Those that don't will continue to blow smoke. This I know.
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[QUOTE=hitech_47460]    Yawn.... Again note the peaNUT gallery supporting FED PROPAGANDA here. Who's selling something anyway? ME? I'm not the one making BILLIONS off of a WORTHLESS drug called Tamiflu, that's Rumsfeld! I'm not the one making BILLIONS off of a WAR that they staged. That's Rumsfeld, Bush and Cheney. Haliburton, Carlyle and Bechtel with NO BID CONTRACTS. Again FACTS please kiddies and NOT whiny get your meds demonization. It's not working anymore. It's already been admitted and PROVEN that the Spanish flu has been revived, and already PROVEN for those interested in checking FACTS that these SCUM DID stage 911 so we shouldn't budge an INCH on civil liberties. Not for 911 and NOT for Birdbrained FLU! Again 'medclinician' GRASP A CLUE! The Homeland GESTAPO (And that's what it bloody well IS) was planned and had its website up under Clinton's term.

And those whining for censorship take note... I'll just be MORE determined and setup a different addy using a different IP if necessary.

IN MY OPINION, this flu IS a STAGED EVENT by global New World Order type elitists and I will continue to SAY SO!

And if you want to talk about a LACK of intelligence, take a cursory glance at the coked up commander in chief! Sheesh! That guy can't amass enough intellectual energy to light a 2 watt lightbulb.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/llnews5[/QUOTE]
 
 

And if you want to talk about a LACK of intelligence, take a cursory glance at the coked up commander in chief! Sheesh! That guy can't amass enough intellectual energy to light a 2 watt lightbulb.

 

Yet he’s in charge of the vast governmental conspiracy to take over the country and…do what with it, exactly?

 

Yes people, I’m afraid that hitech is correct. Resistance is futile. Expect the takeover to happen with the same stunning efficiency displayed by the Post Office and the DMV.

I tried reason. I tried logic. Sarcasm is more fun.
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[QUOTE=hitech_47460]    Yawn.... Again note the peaNUT gallery supporting FED PROPAGANDA here. Who's selling something anyway? ME? I'm not the one making BILLIONS off of a WORTHLESS drug called Tamiflu, that's Rumsfeld! I'm not the one making BILLIONS off of a WAR that they staged. That's Rumsfeld, Bush and Cheney. Haliburton, Carlyle and Bechtel with NO BID CONTRACTS. Again FACTS please kiddies and NOT whiny get your meds demonization. It's not working anymore. It's already been admitted and PROVEN that the Spanish flu has been revived, and already PROVEN for those interested in checking FACTS that these SCUM DID stage 911 so we shouldn't budge an INCH on civil liberties. Not for 911 and NOT for Birdbrained FLU! Again 'medclinician' GRASP A CLUE! The Homeland GESTAPO (And that's what it bloody well IS) was planned and had its website up under Clinton's term.

And those whining for censorship take note... I'll just be MORE determined and setup a different addy using a different IP if necessary.

IN MY OPINION, this flu IS a STAGED EVENT by global New World Order type elitists and I will continue to SAY SO!

And if you want to talk about a LACK of intelligence, take a cursory glance at the coked up commander in chief! Sheesh! That guy can't amass enough intellectual energy to light a 2 watt lightbulb.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/llnews5[/QUOTE]
 
dude there is always Thorazine
 
friggin nut job....
 
and btw God Bless George Bush ..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The only judgment day I'm worried about right now is the one on which I am forced to triage between my family's safety and well being, and the bad guy at the door who wants to unwittingly infect me by invading my house for my food.

HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT ONE, HITECH, OR ARE YOU TOO BUSY WITH FANTASIES YOU CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT, EVEN IF THEY ARE TRUE?

Go buy some canned goods, my friend. You're going to need them.
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Originally posted by Scotty Scotty wrote:

I bet that WHO were really gutted. They must have been really looking forward to getting up close and personal with the worlds next killer virus. Must have just ruined their day.

Helicopter grounded due to bad weather?

They didn't actually get off that bus either, did they?
    

    
You know it is easy to see what the weather really was...www.weather.com. Then you'll know if there is any validity to their story/reason/excuse.
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Originally posted by hitech_47460 hitech_47460 wrote:

Redcloud here OBVIOUSLY hasn't been reading this forum or what I've written or they'd KNOW that I've been well prepared with food for some time now and advocate preparedness for a LOT LONGER than the govt. and media mouthpieces are saying.

Good. Then you have done all you can do. Go outside. Look at the clouds. Plant a tree.
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Originally posted by medclinician medclinician wrote:


I totally agree. We have a very useful and productive website here which is a great source of information and cooperation around the globe. The last thing we need in here is major anti-government posting which is a complete diversion of the focus, handling and dealing with Bird Flu.If you start getting off track into some type of confrontation with U.S. troops attempting to take everyone's weapons away, setting up some sort of secret Gestapo force and so forth, you are going to create a situation where an intelligent exchange of information and news site, becomes an Anti-American and anti-government site. Be realistic. If we have a limited number of outbreaks and we can contain the clusters, people are not going to have the personal freedom to leave the quarantine areas.  If you scare people by telling them their guns will be taken away, their only defene against looters and areas which cannot be sufficiently protected, you are going to cause serious problems. I truly think this is a sick psycho fantasy. Understand that if we have people infected and only a few, they must be contained. If poultry are infected with the virus they must be destroyed. I am sure Homeland is making efforts to train personnel to make difficult situaitons less inflammatory. Depending on the scope of the Pandemic, the idea is to retain social order as long as possible. It is a delicate balance. If too many freedoms are taken away and people become arfaid of the government (as when the patients in Indonesia ran away refused treatment) you will have a total social collapse. Misinformation is the greatest enemy. Understand that one must be realistic in terms of asking someone to go into a quarantined area to die. As long as everyone sticks to the truth, then we may make it through. This is truly a new time of history when we have the internet. I think the article is probably garbage - but it is nonetheless scary.  It is not unrealistic, whatever the best intentions of health people, I am one,  martial law is the beginnning of chaos. Each to his own.



    SORRY...I don't think disagreeing or having an opinion that is not favorable to our government equates being Anti-American and/or Anti-Government.

Here's a story from when I was five years old...My little sister and I were taking a bath..while my mom was drying me off my sister ran outside naked. I was abhorred by her actions, and so to stop her I ran out and dragged her back in...Naked. Um, do you get it?

You start off saying this should not be a place of political/governmental opinions, or maybe just the ones you don't agree with??? Then you go on with quite a lengthy opinion of yours.

HAS IT NOT OCCURED TO YOU THAT - You are who you are upset & complaining about!?!?

I will not state my political standing or opinions, outside of how I believe they would/could affect the issue of this form...and I don't want my time wasted with yours or anyone elses that are not directly tied to the issue at hand. If you don't like it then don't engage or MOST IMPORTANTLY...don't participate!!!
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Hitech might be a kook but he's not alone in his views. But this is not really a political or religion forum so we might want to try to stay on task. That said, and realizing that taking a break from our task from time to time is healthy, I'll say that I am not a big fan of the current administration and while I don't know if its the voice of the devil, god, or a pink rabbit, that the President hears, I certainly think events over the last few years could lead one to conclude that our national ship has no rudder. Yesterday the President (inadverently) made fun of a blind reporter during a news conference while trying to be funny...in a news conference focusing on the the war in Iraq. To me, GW not a funny guy, and Iraq is not a joking matter. But he doesn't seem to understand what his role is. He's not the manager of a baseball team anymore and he's not at a frat party. But he's in charge, so we are stuck with him. Many on this forum would agree that the feds are not going to be our salvation (which the feds have told us repeatedly). And with the revelations about the NSA wiretaps, the Patriot Act, and political dirty tricks regularly making the nightly news, I can't really blame those that are already leaning that way to fall over the edge. Reminds me of the movie with Mel Gibson as a deranged taxi driver who saw plots everywhere and Julia Roberts as a government lawyer ...Yeah, he was nuts most of the time, but he was right once in a while too...so while no rational person will believe that 911 was staged, or even that anyone from any US agency had anything to do with it, certainly there is room for discussion that the government has misused that tragic event for improper, unwise, or illegal purposes. I think the 30% approval rating for our President is a sign that the masses realize they have been duped. But does that make bird flu all hype? Lots of folks think so, including a some medical folks and scientists from what I read. Global warming, Peak Oil, a planet killer meteor, the New Madrid fault, economic collapse -- fact or fiction? You know for me it doesn't really matter when it comes to preparing. It gives me comfort to know that I've done what I can do to survive any calamity involving food and water shortages for a reasonable amount of time. I can't have any impact on what is going on at a national or international level...realistically. Knashing of the teeth or trying to expose who really killed JFK isn't really going to make me any happier....but having a few extra candy bars and a jar of ghee in the fridge gives me a good feeling.

So, Hitech, keep up your vigilant guard and let us know if your see Karl Rove putting up signs that say "work will make you free."

                        
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Originally posted by hitech_47460 hitech_47460 wrote:

.. Project Artichoke

    
Umm..that reminds me, I got a new Brianna's dressing that I haven't used before. I am going to broil artichokes with it. I think I'll get an extra bottle for my bunker! Maybe I'll plant some artichokes too...I love them! I don't think I've ever seen artichoke seeds or starter plants either. I'm gonna have to look into that. A thumbs up for my fabulous idea!
    
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Originally posted by redcloud redcloud wrote:

It says right on the front page in big letters: H5N1 AVIAN FLU FORUM.

I don't see anything about "Dick Cheney Eats Puppies For Breakfast."


We are all passionate people here, usually with an great ability to communicate. Not all posts are to my liking and I appreciate content that gets me thinking a different way. I'm glad to read them all because that's why we logon. I believe these current postings ARE relevent to BF. Do ya think those FEMA camps are for Mexicans? hitech is talking about government working secretly on a prearranged agenda with no public disclosure. Most posts on this thread have been speaking about governments working secretly on a prearranged agenda with no public disclosure - same topic, different county. It's all the same. And if you need further proof that our Constitutional rights are being eroded, please read this latest news article. Lighten up on those who are sounding a warning in the loudest possible voice.

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Thursday, June 15, 2006 · Last updated 9:34 a.m. PT

High Court backs police no-knock searches

By GINA HOLLAND
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WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that police armed with a warrant can barge into homes and seize evidence even if they don't knock, a huge government victory that was decided by President Bush's new justices.

The 5-4 ruling signals the court's conservative shift following the departure of moderate Sandra Day O'Connor.

Dissenting justices predicted that police will now feel free to ignore previous court rulings that officers with search warrants must knock and announce themselves or run afoul of the Constitution's Fourth Amendment ban on unreasonable searches.

Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority, said Detroit police acknowledge violating that rule when they called out their presence at a man's door, failed to knock, then went inside three seconds to five seconds later. The court has endorsed longer waits, of 15 seconds to 20 seconds.

"Whether that preliminary misstep had occurred or not, the police would have executed the warrant they had obtained, and would have discovered the gun and drugs inside the house," Scalia wrote.

Suppressing evidence is too high of a penalty, Scalia said, for errors by police in failing to properly announce themselves.

The outcome might have been different if O'Connor were still on the bench. She seemed ready, when the case was first argued in January, to rule in favor of Booker Hudson, whose house was searched in 1998.

O'Connor had worried aloud that officers around the country might start bursting into homes to execute search warrants. She asked: "Is there no policy of protecting the home owner a little bit and the sanctity of the home from this immediate entry?"

She retired before the case was decided, and a new argument was held so that Justice Samuel Alito could participate in deliberations. Alito and Bush's other Supreme Court pick, Chief Justice John Roberts, supported Scalia's opinion.

Hudson's lawyers argued that evidence against him was connected to the improper search and could not be used at his trial. He was convicted of drug possession.

Scalia said that a victory for Hudson would have given "a get-out-of-jail-free card" to him and others.

In a dissent, four justices complained that the decision erases more than 90 years of Supreme Court precedent.

"It weakens, perhaps destroys, much of the practical value of the Constitution's knock-and-announce protection," Justice Stephen Breyer wrote for himself and the three other liberal members.

Breyer said that police can now enter homes without knocking and waiting a short time if they know that there is no punishment for it.

Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, a moderate, joined the conservatives in most of the ruling. He wrote his own opinion, however, to say "it bears repeating that it is a serious matter if law enforcement officers violate the sanctity of the home by ignoring the requisites of lawful entry."

Kennedy said that legislatures can intervene if police officers do not "act competently and lawfully." He also said that people whose homes are wrongly searched can file a civil rights lawsuit.

And Scalia wrote that there are public-interest law firms and attorneys who specialize in civil rights grievances.

In response, Breyer said there is no evidence of anyone collecting much money in such cases.

The case is Hudson v. Michigan, 04-1360.


    
    
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Originally posted by Evergreen Evergreen wrote:

Originally posted by redcloud redcloud wrote:

It says right on the front page in big letters: H5N1 AVIAN FLU FORUM.

I don't see anything about "Dick Cheney Eats Puppies For Breakfast."

Actually, Cheney does eat a young tender canine for dinner every night. It feeds his black heart, and allows him to feel bolstered by headlines such as,

Pentagon Says Military Deaths in Iraq Hit 2,500
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    Thursday 15 June 2006

    Washington - The number of U.S. military deaths in the Iraq war has reached 2,500, the Pentagon said on Thursday, more than three years into a conflict that finds U.S. and allied foreign forces locked in a struggle with a resilient insurgency.

    In addition, the Pentagon said 18,490 U.S. troops have been wounded in the war, which began in March 2003 with a U.S.-led invasion to topple President Saddam Hussein.

    Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been killed."
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hiltech you don't know much about H5N1 do you!
 
To busy spewing your crap to learn much of anything!
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Originally posted by hitech_47460 hitech_47460 wrote:

H5N1= Birdie Brain Flu or RESURRECTED SPANISH Flu the latest STAGED Crisis by satanic P.O.S. like Bush and their ilk for MARTIAL LAW and the last few nails in our Republic. 

Over 80 plus Scientists, DNA specialists, Virologists and others have been MURDERED To keep this project covered up and prevent a meaningful countermeasure.

Yeah 'tard' I know quite a bit about it and do NOT buy the prevailing media or govt. 'party line' on the topic.  PREPARE for MARTIAL LAW and economic collapse because that's what's coming.  And don't believe what you hear on govt. CONTROLLED media sources PERIOD.  Don't take THEIR contaminated vaccines.  Oh, perhaps those like YOU should Jhetta!  Personally I don't need those in denial around when TSHTF!!!

Sinonara!

 
Provide a date for this alleged "RESURRECTED SPANISH Flu"  And then provide the date/location/people that they allegedly infected with this RESURRECTED SPANISH Flu.
 
Documentation is required to back up theory's... you have shown absolutely none!
 
If you can not provide the above... you most certainly are a troll out to cause disruption on this board that is here to help people prepare for H5N1.
 
And when the SHTF... you will most certainly be handicapped by lack of understanding of the true enemy!
 
Throughout history... people tend to make up stories about things they do not understand.... yours is quite elaborate!
 
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Originally posted by hitech_47460 hitech_47460 wrote:

Sveral people on this forum have already posted URLs confirming the resurrection of the Spanish Flu.  The govt. and media have ADMITTED dragging bodies out of ice in Alaska and elsewhere and piecing this hellish thing back together.  A 'scientist' on Oprah even admitted this was done as he was boogey boogey fearmongering the 'bird flu.'   
 
So are you saying you don't think that this has been done??
 
 
Hitech... I am asking "YOU" to provide documentation in a logical timeline that proves what you spew in your posts.
 
You obviously can not do that!  So I will assume you have no idea what you are talking about!
 
Simple as 1, 2, 3.
 
Chronology of:
 
Events, Documented and Peer Reviewed Scientific Evidence, Legal Documentation, etc
 
Spread Sheet format would be nice. 
 
Dates/Information/Documentation of Validity!
 
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:)))) Newbie
 
Just as I thought... you can not back up your posts!
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Originally posted by bellabecky bellabecky wrote:



    SORRY...I don't think disagreeing or having an opinion that is not favorable to our government equates being Anti-American and/or Anti-Government.

Here's a story from when I was five years old...My little sister and I were taking a bath..while my mom was drying me off my sister ran outside naked. I was abhorred by her actions, and so to stop her I ran out and dragged her back in...Naked. Um, do you get it?

You start off saying this should not be a place of political/governmental opinions, or maybe just the ones you don't agree with??? Then you go on with quite a lengthy opinion of yours.

HAS IT NOT OCCURED TO YOU THAT - You are who you are upset & complaining about!?!?

I will not state my political standing or opinions, outside of how I believe they would/could affect the issue of this form...and I don't want my time wasted with yours or anyone elses that are not directly tied to the issue at hand. If you don't like it then don't engage or MOST IMPORTANTLY...don't participate!!!


During an period of catastrophe, health professionals in addition to treating patients will need to interact and coordinate their activities with other state and federal agencies. There is a reality in the practice of medicine of the real life situation and choices which must be made, versus discussion.  A few days ago I was talking to a rescue worker who had pulled bodies out of the 911 wreckage. One of his best friends proceeded into the wreckage against his advice, and in a few moments many tons of concrete came down and killed him.

Many of us know that it is possible we will soon be once more out in that rubble and making difficult decisions on saving lives. Perhaps, for even the most case hardened, I know the man I spoke to who almost shook as he talked to me, it was still a disturbing emotional experience.

Thank you for your participation and views and I hope you will be there beside us trying to help all who need it.


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