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chargingbear
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Posted: March 27 2006 at 1:31pm |
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>But something happened to it 18 months ago: PCVII had previously been confined to hogs aged six to 10 weeks, but it began showing up in hogs aged 10 to 15 weeks and was resistant to traditional vaccines.< ?.now will the bird flu vaccines and tamiflu given to the chickens on the farms across the world now currently used also become resistant to those drugs also in the near future?. if so where in deeper pig sh*t |
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Virulent pig bug slashing hog herds
Mar. 26, 2006. 01:00 AM
BRIAN SHYPULA
CANADIAN PRESS STRATFORD, Ont.— A virulent new strain of a common pig virus is wreaking havoc on Ontario hog herds.
Tens of thousands of hogs have been removed from farms by deadstock companies this winter and last year. They are victims of a new strain of porcine circovirus or other illnesses that the autoimmune disease brings on or makes worse.
"It's just terrible the number of animals that are dying from disease this year," said Winnie Linton, who has lost about half of the 2,000 hogs on the farm she and husband Dave run near Mitchell.
"We see the light at the end of the tunnel because our barn is almost empty," she added, managing a weak laugh.
Larry Skinner, chair of Ontario Pork's board, said provincewide mortality rates are running at 10 to 12 per cent — five to six times above the norm on affected farms. On the hardest-hit farms, the figure is 40 to 50 per cent or more and he sympathized with those struggling farmers.
Meat packers are also starting to worry about a pork shortage, he said. But for hog farmers, it's a double, or even triple, whammy. They're running up costs trying to treat the sick animals, losing revenue when the hogs die and don't make it to market, and feeling the emotional stress of seeing their animals suffer. At the same time, they face market prices of 20 to 30 cents below the break-even mark of roughly $1.50 per kilogram.
Porcine circovirus, or PCVII, is not new; in fact, it's a common bug found in pigs. But something happened to it 18 months ago: PCVII had previously been confined to hogs aged six to 10 weeks, but it began showing up in hogs aged 10 to 15 weeks and was resistant to traditional vaccines.
The circovirus epidemic was one of three major health problems to hit Ontario hog farms in the past year and a half.
The winter of 2004-05 was the worst ever for porcine reproductive and respiratory syndrome, or PRRS, a virus that causes pregnant sows to abort fetuses. Soon after, the first signs of the more virulent strain of PCVII surfaced.
Ontario Pork was not able to provide an estimate of how many hogs have died of it or from related causes.
In May and June, Ontario hog farms experienced a major outbreak of the H3N2 strain of swine influenza.
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well done chargingboar sorry chargingbear.
anyway not the last para
In May and June, Ontario hog farms experienced a major outbreak of the H3N2 strain of swine influenza.
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pioneer
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if this gets worse there will be no chicken on the menu because of b/f and pork could become as scarce as chicken.
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all the animals in the wood teach their children to survive from nature with one exception,
man |
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Fiddlerdave
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Vegetarianism anyone? (I'm not, yet! Think how REALLY smug they are all going to be now!) Fowl and pork going out. Look at what Mad Cow disease does to a brain! Heavy metals in fish mean eating more than a few times a week is crossing the FDA's very liberal line for toxicity, and mercury is in fresh water as well as ocean (and think of all the persistant artificial hormones from feedlots in fish givng men breasts and women beards!).
Beans, Beans, good for the heart!
The more you eat, the more you're smart!
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Dave
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cv1632
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Fiddler, beans and rice are my favorite foods, and a staple in our house. Dont get me wrong, I love a really good steak, (Prime Rib, Yum!) and almost any other kind of fish or fowl. But they have gotten so expensive that we pretty much just use meat as a flavoring for other dishes now. It is also very well cooked before it is included in our meals.
As a for instance, my wife is making a tamale pie tonight with hamberger that has already been cooked very well. Then it will be cooked again as it is baked in the oven for an hour. Given that, I am not really worried about mad cow, or any other virus at that point. I will just enjoy my supper. I think if you cook any meat well, there really should not be a lot to worry about. (Heavy metals are another matter however) |
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Why do some people Hate, with incredible passion, and yet without reason, consideration of fact, or any allowance for rebuttal. Father God, forgive me if I should ever be this intolerant of others.
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cv- I have J3;16 on my wall in my room...and I sleep with the last supper and pontuis platues when giving over...
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Fiddlerdave
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So true, CV! But do remember cooking does no good to stop Mad Cow transfer to humans from meat (those prions are tough!). Heavy metals, and the artificial hormones given to cows, pigs and fowl to increase fattening and milk production are pretty resilient too! (Hormones prduced by the animals breaks down very quickly in the environment - the artificial hormones last for years. Their effect on humans is unclear, but the fish down river from feedlots are showing profound and widespread effects - sex change, hermaphrodism [sic], tumors, and on. Europe banned the hormones long ago. Our ag producers spent huge amounts of money to stop legislation here. The human long term effects are known (bad) if you take them directly, but studies on on ingestion through commercial food is showing some negative effects. Cooking does get virus and bacteria. I am sure your preparation techniques are good, from the sound of it, but if the mess I make in my kitchen is any indication, anything on the raw meat has a good chance of showing up on me, on the counters etc as I prepare it. An operating room it is not! |
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Dave
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cv1632
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"Cooking does get virus and bacteria. I am sure your preparation techniques are good, from the sound of it, but if the mess I make in my kitchen is any indication, anything on the raw meat has a good chance of showing up on me, on the counters etc as I prepare it. An operating room it is not!"
Fiddler, this was the best post of the day! My wife and I both appreciate it. I also sincerily believe that a good laugh can cure many, many ills, if one can appreciate them. I hope that you could have enjoyed your post the way that we have. Take good care my friend. |
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Why do some people Hate, with incredible passion, and yet without reason, consideration of fact, or any allowance for rebuttal. Father God, forgive me if I should ever be this intolerant of others.
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MauiSurviver
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guess i will have to stick to calamari and lamb mmmmmm
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Fiddlerdave
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"Deadstock company"? Is that the people who will come get the diseased, dead pigs and grind them up for livestock feed for chickens, etc? so some new exotic disease can be created? Good thing! We need to get the next pandemic ready to roll after H5N1 burns out. Heck, there'll still be half the population left! Kind of joking here, but afraid its true! |
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Dave
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RicheeRich
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We definitely don't need H2N1 to be festering in pigs. They make a much better incubator for strains that can run rampant in humans!
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RainBow
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I am a vegetarian and I am not sure what you mean by we are all going to be so smug now. Do you think that vegetarians want to see disease in animals and animals dyeing and suffering? Sad thing is, those factory farmed animals are diseased, sick and suffering everyday. So it is sad, no matter how you look at it. The positive thing here is that maybe the factory farms will suffer and maybe be forced to adopt different standards in the way they handle their animals. I think all those negative things you mentioned regarding animals and the diseases they pass on to humans should be a wake up call to our practices in the live food industry. When we look at the mercury, the mad cow etc... it should stop us and makes us look at the way we do things and demand better instead of saying "Oh just cook it till it is burts it will kill all the disease".
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pioneer
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fiddlerdave,
also on top of that, dont forget there are two strains of H5N1 now classed as dangerous to humans, and about another eight strains with the potential to become dangerous,
we might just be getting over one pandemic then be hit by another.
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all the animals in the wood teach their children to survive from nature with one exception,
man |
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Fiddlerdave
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Rainbow, that is what I was trying to say. Vegetarians are being proven correct as to the most effective way to avoid the situation we are in (regardless of whether its the best diet for human nutrition, it may have been the best diet for human survival) And my point about vegetarians is events are not only showing the idea to be correct, but in many ways these diseases will have a minimal effect on their dietary habits! However, when you say that "factory farms will suffer" and adopt ne procedures I fear may not happen, I can't help but point out these entities are very busy propagandizing H5N1 as a product of backyard farms (unlikely), and NOT a product of the factory farm environment (most likely). Frankly, I think they will continue to look for more and more biotech solutions, thus making sure there are are new diseases resistant to the latest biotech developments on into the future. (Continuing the current practice of using antibiotics and anti-virals being used to keep the factory flocks going in terrible conditions, so the virus is resistant BEFORE it gets to humans).Sarcasm ON:
I mean, what a crazy idea to give the animals plenty of room, air, healthy food!! Or not to eat them! What are you, some kind of a communist? A world pandemic is a small price to pay for profitable corporate animal farms!
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Dave
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chargingbear
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PMWS? what the heck is this? so its not reportable if its just a a production-limiting disease?
http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyID=2006-03-28T192710Z_01_N28172479_RTRIDST_0_CANADA-FOOD-CANADA-HOGS-COL.XML >The Canadian Food Inspection Agency said the illness does not pose a threat to human health and is considered a production-limiting disease and is not reportable< |
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