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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/02/us-hongkong-birdflu-idUSBRE9B10MA20131202
(Reuters) - Hong Kong confirmed its first case of deadly H7N9 bird flu on Monday in a further sign that the virus is continuing to spread beyond mainland China's borders. The case coincides with the 10th anniversary of the outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, which killed nearly 300 people in Hong Kong and had a significant impact on the city's travel and retail industry. A 36-year-old Indonesian domestic helper with a history of contact with poultry and travel to Shenzhen in mainland China just north of Hong Kong has been confirmed infected by H7N9 and has been hospitalized in critical condition, Secretary for Food and Health Ko Wing-man told reporters late on Monday. (Reporting By Twinnie Siu and Donny Kwok; Editing by Mark Heinrich) |
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I just saw this on Google news and came in to post it.
This is terrible. Very concerning.
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There is clearly a growing epidemic going on right now. Many cases undetected. Maybe we'll see a first case outside of China soon.
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The balloon is up, folks. Hong Kong doesn't have the media stranglehold that the mainland does, so let's see what happens.
My guess is that many cases are unreported on the mainland. Typical ChiCom B.S.
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Deadly H7N9 Bird Flu Surfaces in Hong Kong — Government Hunts for Travel Companion of Infected to Avoid Pandemic
Staff Writer | December 2, 2013 | 7:30pm EDT In what can only be described a scary, the deadly H7N9 made its way into Hong Kong and possibly further. HONG KONG (INTELLIHUB) — The deadly H7N9 bird flu virus has been confirmed to have made its way into the country. Pok Fu Lam, 36, female, remains in critical condition at the Queen Mary Hospital and is under assisted breathing via an artificial lung after contracting what has been refereed to by scientists as the deadliest flu strain in history. Lam was said to have slaughtered and prepared a chicken for a meal while visiting Shenzhen. What is extremely alarming about the whole situation is the fact that the Chinese government has already enacted pandemic preparedness plans in the region and is on a massive manhunt for another person which authorities believe had contact with Lam. Lam “developed flu symptoms four days later. She was first treated at Tuen Mun Hospital, but was transferred to Queen Mary last Wednesday. Ko said two earlier tests for the virus came back negative, but a third test last night confirmed she had contracted H7N9. He added that the risk of human-to-human transmission could not be ascertained yet, but he activated the city’s three-level response system set up to deal with a potential flu pandemic. It was set at the “serious level”, one step below the top emergency level. Live poultry imports from three Shenzhen farms will be suspended until the Centre for Health Protection completes an investigation. Since the first case of H7N9 infection in a human was reported in February, the virus has killed 45 people, all on the mainland. About 138 people on the mainland were infected and one in Taiwan. Most of the cases were in Zhejiang and Jiangsu provinces and Shanghai.”, reported the South China Morning Post.[1] This also dovetails with another report, “French jet placed in quarantine after passengers develop symptoms of swine flu and crew discover they had all recently been to Asia”, by the Daily Mail. In the article Alex Ward wrote, “A plane full of passengers on a French runway has been quarantined after many developed swine flu-like symptoms. During the flight, 47 passengers started coughing and spluttering while others developed signs of a fever, local media reported. As flight attendants questioned passenger, it emerged that many were returning from Asia.”[2] A similar bout took place on a plane in Arizona Monday as it was reported a passenger has Tuberculosis raising a few eyebrows domestically in the U.S.. CNN reported, “Passengers aboard US Airways Flight 2846 were waiting on the tarmac at Phoenix’s Sky Harbor Airport when their pilot came on the intercom. “We’ve been notified about a health emergency aboard the aircraft,” passenger Dean Davidson heard. A few minutes later, Davidson saw a flight attendant walk toward another passenger sitting a few rows ahead of him. The flight attendant handed the slender middle-aged man a medical mask. Emergency personnel boarded the plane a short time later and removed the man, Davidson said. A firefighter then came on the intercom and announced that the passenger had active tuberculosis and was contagious and that other passengers on the flight had been exposed. He advised them to contact their physicians immediately, Davidson said.” Sources: [1] Hong Kong’s first case of H7N9 bird flu virus confirmed – South China’s Morning Post [2] French jet placed in quarantine after passengers develop symptoms of swine flu and crew discover they had all recently been to Asia – Mail Online [3] Passenger with possible TB infection pulled from plane – CNN |
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Hong Kong to quarantine 17 people over bird flu case
Hong Kong will quarantine 17 people after the city confirmed its first human case of the deadly H7N9 bird flu, officials said Tuesday. The 17 are mostly relatives of the employer of a 36-year-old Indonesian domestic helper, who is in critical condition in a Hong Kong hospital after a visit to mainland China. They were all taken to hospital for observation. "If those who had been in close contact (with the patient) don't have symptoms, we will later arrange for them to enter quarantine facilities," health minister Ko Wing-man told a press conference. "Tonight, five people who were in close contact and do not show signs of infection will enter the quarantine," Ko said, adding that they will be held until 10 days after their last contact with the carrier. A government statement later said all 17 people had tested negative for the virus, but would be sent to a holiday village in the seaside town of Sai Kung "for medical surveillance". The Indonesian domestic helper had a history of travelling to the mainland city of Shenzhen, just across the border with Hong Kong, and coming into contact with live poultry, Ko said Monday. "She has a history of travelling to Shenzhen, buying a chicken, slaughtering and eating the chicken," Ko said. She was admitted to hospital on November 27 after developing a cough and shortness of breath. The city has suspended imports of live poultry from Shenzhen and escalated its flu contingency plan to "serious". "At this point, we reckon it could be an imported case, but the government will continue to follow this up with full effort," said Hong Kong Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying. In all, 137 human cases of H7N9 have been reported in mainland China since February with 45 deaths, according to the World Health Organisation. In April Taiwan reported its first case, a 53-year-old man who had been working in eastern China. The man was eventually discharged but the case prompted the island's authorities to begin research into a vaccine which they hope to roll out by late 2014. In August Chinese scientists reported the first likely case of direct person-to-person transmission of H7N9. But they stressed that it was still difficult for the virus, believed to jump from birds to people, to spread between humans. Avian flu viruses have been around for a very long time in wild birds. They do not generally cause disease in humans, though in rare cases they mutate and jump species. Hong Kong is especially alert to the spread of viruses after an outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) swept through the city in 2003, killing 299 people and infecting around 1,800. |
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Scary that even this late in the game, they're still unable to get reliable test results in a critically ill patient who is obviously showing enough symptoms that they felt the need to keep retesting. Makes you wonder about the validity of the testing done by the Chinese government to downplay the extent of the spread on the mainland. Between spurious test results and China's information filter, we truly have no idea how widespread this outbreak is, but I agree with Chuck - hitting Hong Kong makes it a lot easier to track, although it ups the ante somewhat based on the region's proven ability to create novel H2H viruses. I think it's interesting that the UK's pandemic preparedness plan used to have an estimated time frame of two to four weeks for a pandemic virus to go global following it's emergence in - you guessed it - Hong Kong |
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Hong Kong reports first case of deadly H7N9 bird flu strain amid fears it is spreading from ChinaGovernment issues ‘serious’ influenza pandemic response alert Hong Kong has reported its first case of the deadly new H7N9 bird flu strain, in what public health experts say is a worrying sign that the virus could be spreading from mainland China. The government said a 36-year-old Indonesian maid had fallen ill after returning from a trip to the Chinese city of Shenzhen last month, where she was believed to have come into contact with live poultry. Hong Kong officials have now issued a “serious” influenza pandemic response warning, raising the level from “alert”, and contacted the World Health Organisation (WHO). Health Secretary Ko Wing-man said the maid had a history of travelling across the border to the mainland city to buy, slaughter and eat chickens. She is under close surveillance in hospital and was described as being in a critical condition. Mr Ko said authorities had quarantined the family for whom she worked. There have been fears in the past that the H7N9 strain could transmit from human-to-human, and some people with whom the maid has had contact since returning to Hong Kong were reported to be suffering respiratory problems. Dr Benjamin Cowling, a professor of public health at the University of Hong Kong, told the Wall Street Journal Live that the news was deeply concerning. “We now know for sure the virus hasn’t gone anyway and there are concerns it could come back in larger numbers this winter,” he said. The WHO said there have been 139 confirmed cases of people falling ill as a result of H7N9, with 45 of those victims dying as a result. Comparing the strain with the more common H5N1 variety, Dr Cowling said: “The concern is that unlike H5N1, H7N9 is not highly pathogenic in chickens. “With the former, if there is a case then the chickens die or there is clearly something wrong, but that is not the case with H7N9 – there is no way of telling whether the chickens are affected or not.” H7N9 was first identified in April, when a series of deaths prompted officials to shut down meat markets and slaughter poultry in several mainland Chinese cities. Those measures seemed to have slowed the spread of the disease, but the latest outbreak has led scientists to fear the virus will re-emerge in the winter, when influenza is most active. Mr Ko said the Hong Kong government would step up its flu pandemic preparedness plan. Infectious diseases are a particular concern in the city, where the 2003 outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or Sars, killed about 299 people. Nearly 500 more deaths were reported in other countries. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/hong-kong-reports-first-case-of-deadly-h7n9-bird-flu-strain-amid-fears-it-is-spreading-from-china-8980205.html |
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Hi Jacksdad...Thanks for posting..Ya, sure is starting to look scary..This may be the start of it mushrooming out of control.
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Hey there, Coyote - I was looking over the stuff that's popping up in the media about the latest case and it gave me chills that I haven't had in a while.
A novel virus with an impressive CFR critically infects a human in Hong Kong at the start of the flu season? I totally agree - it is starting to look scary. |
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Jacksdad, you are such an ignorant fear monger. I eat all manner of poultry, chickens,
cows, and pigs. I am not even 1% terrified of getting ill. What do you think these animals exist for dumbasss? To be fed, bred and worshipped like the fat asss medical profession? |
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Crying out loud - I won't hesitate to edit or hide your posts when you get personal and abusive with other members, or downright obscene as was the case in your latest little foot stomping hissy fit. Barring any foul language (which will be deleted), when you lash out at me in a post I'll leave it up because I really don't give your opinion of me a second thought. To be clear - I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK.
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17 people in isolation amid scare over Hong Kong's first H7N9 bird flu case
Tuesday, 03 December, 2013, 12:28pm
News›Hong Kong
HEALTH
Emily Tsang, Lo Wei and He Huifeng
200 are under
observation after having contact with helper confirmed to be infected
with H7N9 virus, but all tests so far have proved negative
Seventeen people are in isolation after coming into contact with an Indonesian domestic helper who is the first person in Hong Kong to be infected with the deadly H7N9 strain of bird flu. They are among more than 200 people who have been placed under observation as a precaution, the Centre for Health Protection said yesterday. Those in isolation either lived in the same Tuen Mun flat as the patient or were in the same cubicle as her when she was treated in Tuen Mun Hospital. The Indonesian consulate confirmed the patient was 36-year-old Tri Mawarti. The centre's controller, Dr Leung Ting-hung, said: "There is so far no evidence to show the virus has spread to another person. According to the assessments of the World Health Organisation and Centre for Health Protection, the risk of locals contracting H7N9 has not increased or changed." Tri was transferred to the intensive care unit at Queen Mary Hospital in Pok Fu Lam on Saturday, where she is in critical condition. Indonesia's vice-consul for public affairs Sam Aryadi said she would be offered as much help as possible. Of the 17 classified as high-risk, 11 had tested negative in preliminary examinations but would undergo more tests, Leung said. They are 10 members of the family the helper lived with and an Indonesian friend, aged 33, who accompanied her on November 17 to Shenzhen, where they killed and cooked a chicken. All 17 were isolated at Princess Margaret Hospital in Kwai Chung. Five of them, who had shown no symptoms, would be transferred to the Lady MacLehose Holiday Village in Sai Kung, a site the government had reserved for quarantine purposes, Secretary for Food and Health Dr Ko Wing-man said. Six of the 17 who had yet to be tested were patients at Tuen Mun Hospital while Tri was there for four days. Others under observation include staff from the clinics of Dr Simon Wong Siu-shan on Castle Peak Road - which Tri visited on November 25 - and Dr Wong Chun-yan in Tuen Mun, which she visited the next day. The rest are staff and patients of the two public hospitals and a member of ambulance staff who handled Tri's transfer. Medical experts said that as Tri's infection was only confirmed after a third H7N9 test, this suggested a preliminary viral test might not be accurate enough. The University of Hong Kong's chair of virology, Professor Malik Peiris, said the virus might not be detectable when the strength was low. "The avian influenza virus is found deep in the lungs. The patient's first two samples were taken from the upper respiratory tract because she was not so sick at the time. The third time it was taken from her lungs." His university colleague, Ho Pak-leung, said evidence in four clusters of patients on the mainland suggested the virus could have developed a limited ability to pass from person to person. The H7N9 virus has killed 45 of the 138 people infected on the mainland since the first human case was reported in February. One person has also been infected in Taiwan. Additional reporting by Phila Siu |
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"The avian influenza virus is found deep in the lungs. The patient's
first two samples were taken from the upper respiratory tract because
she was not so sick at the time. The third time it was taken from her
lungs."
That goes some way to explaining the delay, but it's disturbing that the only definitive test that seems to work uses deep lung samples. Not exactly a routine outpatient procedure, and it's going to make it harder to track if it hits the ground running in a fully human form. |
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I have quite alot of experience with killing, plucking, gutting and then eating chickens, as we breed and then kill about 30 big fat meat chickens for our own consumption each year.
It's a very messy business. The killing is quick and done outside, but the plucking and gutting has the potential to shed cells, dust, tiny feather particles, mites, blood and meat juices all over the place. I'm sure that if you bought prepared chicken in a ready for the oven foil tin, unwrapped it, popped it in the oven on the correct temperature, then washed your hands immediately, that resulting chicken meal would pose no threat to human health. The problem, I suspect, arises with the preparation bit. When I do chickens I do them in batches of up to 8 birds at a time. I strip down the sink area of everything, so that I can access the draining board and surrounding surfaces, and then I pluck them all in one go, and then I gut them on the kitchen table which I have covered with newspaper. Once the birds are in freezer bags and sealed, I disinfect the outside of the bags because I have touched them with meaty hands, and then these get frozen. The real clean up takes ages. The newspaper goes in the fire, the guts and heads etc go in the compost, and then I wash every surface with hot soapy water, dry it, put the tea towel in the washing machine, and then repeat two more times. I have to wash the taps, and the door handles and the back of the chairs (just in case I've touched them), and the door handle to the fire box. All the teatowels, towels and wash cloths go straight in the washing machine along with my apron and my t shirt. The reason I'm detailing this is that we in the western world have excellent knowledge of germs, and we have hot water freely available and hygienic work surfaces. Not everyone does. I can see just how easily fluids from a dead chicken can spread / splash / splatter onto surfaces unnoticed and undetected. If you had an infected bird then it takes alot of effort to thoroughly clean up. If humans are catching this primarily from infected birds, then I can't see how the spread of it can possibly be stopped.
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Its not birds or ducks or chooks we have to worry about folks.
Its people. When the H5N1 and or H7N9 mutates to humans and becomes a human flu, its humans who will spread it. Those isolated in HK were in contact with the infected guy. Watch for H2H clusters and when one cluster gets to 100 people long - shut the gates - the pandemic will begin in a matter of days. As bad as this H7N9 is, and it is bad, its the H5N1 in Cambodia which is closest to jumping to humans. They will both jump to humans - and possibly merge together to form a new virus eventually.
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Ok - I know that H2H is Human to Human - but what does it mean when you say a cluster gets to 100 people long? Is that a chain A gives to B gives to C... 100 deep so to speak or just any 100 people infected from A/B/C... Is it clear what I'm trying to ask? 100 'generations' in a direct line, or 100 in a group from the first few who caught it...
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I think we should take a vote... who want to ban him/her?? Just too ridiculous to waste download gb on!
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100 in a close group ,village,town
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I think it of it as a negative pay it forward type of situation in a very close proximity. Person one gives it to person two and three (or more), and then those people give it to four, five, six and seven, Etc. You'd see it in villages, schools, neighborhoods, etc. When H1N1 happened in 2009, almost a whole dormitory hall at my university got infected, so they made that hall, the quarantine hall.
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Here’s What You Need to Know About the Bird Flu Case in Hong Konghttp://news.yahoo.com/know-bird-flu-case-hong-kong-161003064.html
By Alice Park 11 hours ago
Health officials say the situation is “serious” after a domestic worker was hospitalized in November. H7N9, an influenza virus that normally infects birds such as chickens and wild geese, first jumped to human hosts in China in April. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), about 20% of those infected have died, but the virus does not spread easily from person to person – at least not yet. So far, the World Health Organization says 137 people have been sickened by H7N9 and 45 have died. Here’s what you need to know about the latest bird flu and whether it poses a threat in the U.S. How did the latest patient get infected? The 36-year old woman had visited Shenzhen, China where she slaughtered and ate a chicken, according to Hong Kong health officials. She felt ill, with fever, chills and difficulty breathing and was hospitalized after returning to Hong Kong. Has anyone in the U.S. been infected with H7N9? So far, no cases of the infection have been reported in the U.S., and the CDC says the risk of H7N9 infection is “low.” All of the human cases so far have been reported in Asia. But it is possible that travelers to Asian countries where the virus has been found in chickens and other poultry could become infected and bring this bird flu to the U.S. Will my flu shot protect me against H7N9? No, there is no vaccine against H7N9 yet, although researchers are working on developing one. This year’s flu shot protects against H1N1, H3N2, and either one or both of the B group influenza viruses currently circulating around the world. Is H7N9 more dangerous than the previous bird flu, H5N1? That’s hard to tell so far, since so few human cases have been reported. But flu experts are watching H7N9 closely since the virus seems to be making genetic changes that might help it to infect people more easily. What are Hong Kong officials doing to contain H7N9? The government halted imports of live poultry from three farms in Shenzhen, and alerted WHO and Chinese health officials. |
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Thanks, Jacksdad! Hong Kong seems to be wanting to put some real distance between themselves and the mainland, and I'm very impressed with the quality of science being performed in Hong Kong's Centre for Health Protection! Hong Kong still smarts from the very visible & global role it played in the world-wide transmission of the SARS outbreak back in 2003. As The Who sing, "won't get fooled again." RIP Carlo Urbani, M.D.
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I agree Chuck - since sovereignty was handed over in 1997, the colony hasn't gone through the drastic changes everyone expected and still remains very distinct from mainland China in both it's policies and dealings with the rest of the world. It's still very much it's own boss when it comes to public health issues and doesn't play by the same rules, and I'm sure that it's anxious to prevent a rerun of SARS and it's perceived involvement in it's spread (as well as the initial outbreak of H5N1, which most people seem to have forgotten first infected humans in Hong Kong).
It's population density and the fact that it will continue to be fed by the farms of neighboring Guandong province make it a scary place for a novel virus to end up though, and it's potential as a springboard to the rest of the world thanks to it's international airport shouldn't be understated. Arriving in Hong Kong could be just what H7N9 has needed to escape the Far East. |
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A few points if I may. One, the below article confirms close contacts of the victim are now showing flu symptoms. This is not good. Two, the preponderance apparently for possible false negative tests, as the first victim tested neative until their third test, is bad. Thirdly however, even if his has begun H2H spread, such viruses sometimes burn out. I hope so. John L.http://guardianlv.com/2013/12/hong-kong-in-import-limbo-after-confirmed-bird-flu-case/ Hong Kong in Import Limbo After Confirmed Bird Flu Case
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Saved under Health, Hong Kong, Jessica Rosslee, World Tags: bird flu, hong kong Hong Kong’s poultry import system is in limbo since live poultry imports from some Chinese farms have been suspended following the first human case of H7N9 in Hong Kong. The confirmation came with a 36-year-old Indonesian domestic worker who had just returned from a trip to Shenzhen, China. It is reported that while she was there she came into contact with live poultry and now, back in Hong Kong’s Queen Mary hospital, authorities say that her condition is critical. Authorities are taking this confirmed H7N9 case in Hong Kong to be a sign that the virus is spreading. Hong Kong has raised the public health alarm and the region is on alert. The World Health Organisation (WHO) has said that there is no supporting evidence to date that the H7N9 virus can be transferred from one human to another but it is an “unusually dangerous virus.” The virus emerged earlier this year and according to a statement released by the WHO on November 6, a minimum of 139 human H7N9 infections have been reported and at least 45 out of that number were fatal. Taiwan had one confirmed case in April this year. Hong Kong reported the H7N9 infection at a press conference held on December 2, marking the first human H7N9 case. It is believed that the infected woman travelled to Shenzhen in mainland China where she purchased a live chicken, which she slaughtered and ate. Hong kong has now released a warning that despite there being no evidence that this particular strain of bird can be transferred between humans, there is a moderate risk that a new virus could cause serious health implications. Secretary for Hong Kong’s food and health safety, Dr. Ko Wing-Man, has said that four people that were in close proximity with the 36-year-old patient are now showing symptoms that resemble flu and are under close supervision. The WHO has said that the H7N9 strain of bird flu usually stays among poultry and other birds and that human infection has not been seen until more recently. The organisation has also said that the transmission between humans needs to be examined. Hong Kong has a relatively small land mass and has 6,620 people living on each kilometre, making it a challenge to be a major food source for itself. According to USDA data, 95 percent of Hong Kong’s food is imported and this heavy reliance on imports is a big reason for the Hong Kong to be in limbo as the import systems becomes stricter due to the confirmed bird flu case. Although, the USA is Hong Kong’s foremost importers, China rakes in second bringing in 17 percent of the country’s imports- including most of Hong Kong’s poultry. The city knows what it is like to be at the hands of a deadly virus, especially after the city suffered during the SARS outbreak in 2003, which left almost 300 people dead and shook up the business world. The city has displayed extreme actions in the past in an effort to curb such outbreaks. After 18 people were identified as infected with the H5N1 strain during 1997, all of the regions chickens were slaughtered- over 1.5 million birds of varying species. The city has not been witness to another case of that same strain since they employed the drastic steps, and may look at taking similar action if the need arises with the H7N9 strain. Statements surrounding the curbing of the bird flu virus that is threatening the city have yet to be released and for now Hong Kong has suspended poultry imports from some mainland Chinese farms. Jessica Rosslee Sources |
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Does anyone want to hazard a guess as to why this incident has not been
mentioned anywhere on the WHO website at all? I would have expected it
to turn up in the GAR yesterday morning, yet it is strangely absent.
http://www.who.int/csr/don/en/index. - http://www.who.int/csr/don/en/index.html |
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Good find John. I agree that the close contacts showing symptoms is quite concerning. If they are in fact positive cases, that would leave little doubt about h2h efficient spread and a pandemic could be imminent. We need to watch this possible cluster closely.
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Thanks! I've seen this referred to elsewhere but wasn't sure exactly what it meant to be watching for..now I know - AWESOME - thanks guys!
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Wow! So we are talking about clusters of 100 and 4 groups of clusters to clarify if we are off to the races while the reports from Hong Kong talk about 200 people being monitored. Sounds to me like the starting gate has sprung open.
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...personally, I think the world could use a good pandemic! Just thinkin' out loud....
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Wow, thought I was coming to a serious forum to discuss this. Seems that you cannot escape stupid comments anywhere.
Firstly where has the ‘100’s’ figure come from, last reports state 17 people who had contact with the infected patient and all have been tested to and have been confirmed as not be positive for infection: source: http://www.timesofoman.comews/Article-26555.aspx - http://www.timesofoman.com/News/Article-26555.aspx. I cannot find an update on this anywhere. Secondly, surely when we talk about clusters, this is when we have a cluster of people known to have the infection? They do not as far as we know. Therefore it is too early to be using these terms. This is just a group of people who unfortunately happen to have been in close proximity to the patient, they are so far only a collection of ‘unfortunate bystanders’. As far as we know, this is no different than any of the China mainland infections we have seen thus far. It is most likely the same virus which has difficulties transmitting between humans, we do not know. The difference here is that with it hitting Hong Kong, it raised the profile, adds a bit of developed world response which, given Hong Kong’s history with SARS, is a very risk averse approach. The most worrying thing I have observed so far is the lack of any acknowledgement of these latest events on the WHO website. Yesterday they published the minutes of the latest meeting of the emergency committee regards MERS-CoV, but nothing about the events in Hong Kong. I have trawled the internet for explanations and to see if anyone else has picked up on this and have found nothing. This makes me think that they are looking into further before releasing a statement or it could be as simple as the guy who updates the GAR is on annual leave! Anyway, while this is a worrying situation lets reign the fear mongering. As far as I am aware there is as equal chance that this virus will mutate to severely threaten us as there is that it will not. H5N1 has not done so thus far. Given, there are differences with this virus to H5N1 that make this one a more likely candidate; however that is in reference to H5N1. Taken on its own it is 50/50. So before anyone posts any comments on number of ‘clusters’ and the amount involved in each, make sure you have a source to back you up and it is not just your own postulating. |
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The WHO wont report anything about h7n9, or they will delay it. Chan has a long history of protecting China's image. The only thing we will hear from Margaret Chan soon is her praising for China's transparency. Cant wait for the WHO statement and praising by Chan.
What's confusing once again is that the previous media report stated 4 close contacts are showing flu symptoms, but no more info being reported. |
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I agree, not necessarily for the mass casualties that will come from it, but to wake up the world and realize that a mass pandemic isn't just a Hollywood film idea, its reality. |
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There is probably some truth to what Chuck said. A near death experience on a global level would probably change people for the better.
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Incidentally CHP of Hong Kong confirmed "non-specific symptoms" in four of the contacts, Albert. Of course I usually try to confirm my sources. This is not fear mongering, it is not being caught asleep when the enemy bombers are coming in at Pearl Harbor. That is what we do not want. Some peolple also appear to be ignoring the likelihood that less serious, weaker cases of this flu will test false-negative intially. I of course still hedge my bets-it is after all flu season, the four people mentioned out of all those being quaratined may simply have seasonal flu or even RSV, not bird flu. You are quite correct in stating however that this situation merits our close monitoring. I for one am not close yet to recommending a raising of our DEFCON level without sutained H2H transmisision. And I am aware Albert that you also are conservative regarding this Best, John L.
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All border control points (BCPs) have implemented disease prevention and control measures. Thermal imaging systems are well in place at BCPs for body temperature checks of inbound travellers," a spokesman for Hong Kong's Department of Health said in the statement. |
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Newest update, we now have 13 contact with non specific symptoms, these have tested negative in initial testing and that is good. However, so did the first victim, so I will feel a lot better after further testing. John L.
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I remember my Dad saying something very similar, Chuck.
Disease is one of nature's most effective ways of limiting the damage caused by overpopulation in any species and I'm not sure why we should consider ourselves immune. At seven billion and counting, we're already at an unsustainable level if you consider how rampant starvation is globally. As horrific as a major pandemic would be for us on a personal level and as a species, the planet would undoubtedly benefit enormously if our numbers were dramatically reduced. We're apparently unable or unwilling to limit either our growth, spread or continuing overuse of natural resources, and I firmly believe that the future is starting to look pretty bleak with regards to overpopulation and increasing starvation. We justify the hunting/trapping/poisoning of any species we deem out of control by calling it conservation, and yet we balk at the idea that we might now be the biggest problem in the neighborhood and somehow deserve special treatment from Mother Nature. |
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Confusing news coming out of China/Hong Kong as usual - the SCMP was saying 17 in isolation a few days ago, but still no positive test results. How hard is it to count that far?
17 people in isolation amid scare over Hong Kong's first H7N9 bird flu case
Tuesday, 03 December, 2013, 12:28pm
News›Hong Kong
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Emily Tsang, Lo Wei and He Huifeng
200 are under
observation after having contact with helper confirmed to be infected
with H7N9 virus, but all tests so far have proved negative.
Seventeen people are in isolation after coming into contact with an Indonesian domestic helper who is the first person in Hong Kong to be infected with the deadly H7N9 strain of bird flu. They are among more than 200 people who have been placed under observation as a precaution, the Centre for Health Protection said yesterday. Those in isolation either lived in the same Tuen Mun flat as the patient or were in the same cubicle as her when she was treated in Tuen Mun Hospital. The Indonesian consulate confirmed the patient was 36-year-old Tri Mawarti. The centre's controller, Dr Leung Ting-hung, said: "There is so far no evidence to show the virus has spread to another person. According to the assessments of the World Health Organisation and Centre for Health Protection, the risk of locals contracting H7N9 has not increased or changed." Tri was transferred to the intensive care unit at Queen Mary Hospital in Pok Fu Lam on Saturday, where she is in critical condition. Indonesia's vice-consul for public affairs Sam Aryadi said she would be offered as much help as possible. Of the 17 classified as high-risk, 11 had tested negative in preliminary examinations but would undergo more tests, Leung said. They are 10 members of the family the helper lived with and an Indonesian friend, aged 33, who accompanied her on November 17 to Shenzhen, where they killed and cooked a chicken. All 17 were isolated at Princess Margaret Hospital in Kwai Chung. Five of them, who had shown no symptoms, would be transferred to the Lady MacLehose Holiday Village in Sai Kung, a site the government had reserved for quarantine purposes, Secretary for Food and Health Dr Ko Wing-man said. Six of the 17 who had yet to be tested were patients at Tuen Mun Hospital while Tri was there for four days. Others under observation include staff from the clinics of Dr Simon Wong Siu-shan on Castle Peak Road - which Tri visited on November 25 - and Dr Wong Chun-yan in Tuen Mun, which she visited the next day. The rest are staff and patients of the two public hospitals and a member of ambulance staff who handled Tri's transfer. On Wednesday morning, two private clinics visited by the Indonesian domestic helper infected with the deadly H7N9 strain of bird flu remained open. A clinic nurse of Dr Simon Wong Siu-shan, who was among the 200 people placed under observation for having contact with the infected helper, said the doctor was seeing patients and declined an interview. A male patient who was seen by Dr Wong at the Castle Peak Road clinic said he was not worried that the doctor may have been exposed to H7N9. "It is not likely that there is any big risk," he said. A staff member working at a cake shop next to the clinic said the fact that the helper's live-in family had not been infected proved that there was nothing to worry about. Medical experts said that as Tri's infection was only confirmed after a third H7N9 test, this suggested a preliminary viral test might not be accurate enough. The University of Hong Kong's chair of virology, Professor Malik Peiris, said the virus might not be detectable when the strength was low. "The avian influenza virus is found deep in the lungs. The patient's first two samples were taken from the upper respiratory tract because she was not so sick at the time. The third time it was taken from her lungs." His university colleague, Ho Pak-leung, said evidence in four clusters of patients on the mainland suggested the virus could have developed a limited ability to pass from person to person. The H7N9 virus has killed 45 of the 138 people infected on the mainland since the first human case was reported in February. One person has also been infected in Taiwan. http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1371744/search-bird-flu-contacts-widens-after-first-h7n9-hong-kong-case |
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Jacksdad and Chuck, I agree with you too. Many years ago, my mother was seated next to an eminent surgeon at a dinner she was attending. He was a very interesting man and when my mother asked him about the fantastic developments in medicine that we were all witnessing, he said that in his opinion the human race was signing it's own death warrant.
He went on to say that he felt it was a grave mistake to aim to save all human life, and that we were breeding faulty genes into our population by saving people who really should be allowed to die, and by helping people with genetic conditions reproduce when they were unable to do so without assistance. He talked about people with serious heart conditions etc that nature would have killed off in their infancy or childhood being kept alive at all costs and then going on to breed. I know it sounds harsh, but he has a point. Where i was growing up was a mentally retarded girl my age, we used to play together when we were very young. When she hit puberty, none of the morals the rest of us were taught meant anything to her but instead she was governed by her raging hormones and tried to solicit any passing man. Her parents applied to the courts to have her sterilized but were refused because the courts said it was her human right to reproduce should she so wish. Of course she wasn't mentally capable of rationally making that decision, as she had the mind of a 3-5 year old. A pandemic may well thin out the less robust of our species and make us healthier as whole.
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It is good that the sample taken from the infected patient shows no significant mutations. At the moment, reading between the lines and removing all of the, very understandable and appreciated, Hong Kong response, this appears no different to any of the cases that have appeared on the mainland.
This is probably the best news we could have hoped for at this point. Now even better would be to hear that the contacts are confirmed fine the the infected patient makes a full recovery. |
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Hi Regi, there is one difference that I noticed when comparing this situation to other cases in the last 8 years of tracking h5n1 and of course h7n9, which is the close contacts here showing flu symptoms. Can't say that I've seen that one before. They could probably be classified as "suspected" cases, but probably wise that they didn't. I'm curious to see which flu strain the contacts have.
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The key thing though is that they are at least isolated and have only been in contact with a patient were it has been confirmed had the known H7N9 type. We have already heard of it being passed between close family members and contacts already. They would also become symptomatic in isolation as well.
I would like to take the optimistic stance on this one (someone has to ) and maintain that there is no reason to suspect change (outside of a cover-up) from the other reports we have seen this year so far. |
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I agree Regi, good posts.
One thing to note is that if they tested those contacts who have symptoms, and if they came back neg, you would think they would have identified which flu they had, whether it was season flu or h1n1. I'm "almost" assuming at this point that the tests came back neg on all flu strains, which of course warrants more immediate tests for h7n9. Fairly serious with close contacts showing symptoms and hopefully health officials get on top of testing them and announce the results soon. This last confirmed case was tested 3 times? Probably still too early to rule anything out. With regard to the 200 in observation, I'm sure nothing will come of it, but they should consider asymptomatic cases and observing my not be too effective. |
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I'm pinning my hopes on the close contacts have nothing more than a seasonal flu strain and that no further spread is indicated, but they should have been much easier to diagnose than H7N9 (which is seemingly only found deep in the lungs) so I'm not sure what to make of the lack of news on that one. |
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