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    Posted: September 02 2009 at 7:10pm
'I pledge my service to Barack Obama.'  Ashton Kucher
'I pledge to be a servant to our President.'  Demi Moore

Obama Youth – Obama to indoctrinate kids on Sep 8

OMG.....the audacity and ego of this man.  He is No JFK.

"Ask not what your country can do for you....But what can you do for your country". ~ JFK
 
With Obama it is.....Ask what your country can do for you and what you can do for Barack Obama.
 
Notice the "O" Obama Logo is everywhere.  What happen to the American Flag?  I pledge to Barack Obama? Never in my life has have I seen such manipulation. 
 
The gradual, subtle, manipulation and indoctrination of our children.  Obama did promise the transformation of America.  He did warn us what he was up to.  The premise of the address is good until you get to the real purpose........"the pledge".  Comment

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/02/i-pledge-to-be-of-service-to-barack-obama/  See Obama Video Here of  Demi Moore and other Hollywooders pledge there service to Barack Obama.  Then asking the school children to pledge to be of service or do the same. This will be shown across the nation with Obama addressing  our children. K - 12.  September 8 - 12 Noon EST.  FACT

Michelle Malkin » “I pledge to be of service to Barack Obama” another article here.

'I pledge my service to Barack Obama.'  FACT
'I pledge to be a servant to our President.'  FACT

"Hmmm… I thought public servants were supposed to serve the public, not the other way around!" Comment

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Q: When was the last time school children were asked to pledge to a national leader?

Hint: It was in the first half of the 20th Century in Europe!

Give up?

Hitler Youth Pledge: “I promise to do my duty in love and loyalty to the Führer and our flag.”

The only difference between the Hitler Youth pledge and the above is that the Hollywooders eliminated any mention of flag or country. I guess hero worship is more important!

 

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http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2009/09/01/obama-youth-obama-national-address-to-kids-at-schools-sep-8/

Obama Youth – Obama to indoctrinate kids on Sep 8

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http://rightvoices.com/2009/09/01/obama-to-make-unprecedented-address-to-all-public-school-students-September-8/

Obama to make unprecedented address to all public school students; September 8


 

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Another------Conspiricy Theory------
 
OMG
 
And you all are wondering why the site is losing credibility
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."   G Orwell
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Did you see the Video.  No Conspiracy
 
Nothing but the FACTS.................
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"Also she said she didn't like a pledge "to be of service to Barack Obama" as he is here to serve Americans, not the other way around. "
 
 

Parents upset over 'leftist propaganda' video

Education » Principal apologizes for showing 'I Pledge' to students.
Updated: 09/02/2009 10:07:30 AM MDT

A school principal has apologized for showing a video at an assembly that a politically conservative group leader is calling "radical, leftist propaganda."

Children at Eagle Bay Elementary School in Farmington were shown a short video called "I pledge" on Aug. 28. The video opens with an image of President Barack Obama and part of a speech in which he says, "Let us summon a new spirit of patriotism, of responsibility where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves but each other." The video then features celebrities making pledges about how they will help the president and the world -- and that's where some say the problem lies.

Many pledges, such as supporting local food banks,

<smiling more, and caring for the elderly are noncontroversial. But other pledges, such as "to never give anyone the finger when I'm driving again," "to sell my obnoxious car and buy a hybrid" and to advance stem cell research cross the line, some say.

"Showing the video in a public school is completely inappropriate," said Jennifer Cieslewicz, whose daughter is a first-grader at the school. "I don't believe a video such as this that promotes certain values should be shown to elementary students, especially without parents being aware. "

Chris Williams, Davis School District spokesman, said school principal Ofelia Wade and school PTA leaders decided to show the video as part of an assembly about the school's theme for the year, service. He said the PTA board chose the video and Wade did not see it before it was shown in the assembly.

"It got to a point where she turned to her assistant and said, 'Oops, I wish I would have seen this before. I don't think I would have shown it,' " Williams said. He said Wade could see how some adults might find the video political.

"She acknowledges she was wrong and apologizes for it and says she's sorry," Williams said. Attempts to reach school PTA leaders Tuesday evening were unsuccessful.

Williams said Wade plans to send a letter home to parents Wednesday about the issue.

Gayle Ruzicka, president of conservative Utah Eagle Forum, said the video was blatantly political. She said other offensive pledges included, "I pledge to be of service to Barack Obama," "I pledge allegiance to the funk, to the united funk of funkadelica," and pledges to not use plastic grocery bags and not flush the toilet after urinating.

"It's very inappropriate to show a radical, leftist propaganda piece that political to children," Ruzicka said. "If parents want their children to learn about those things and do them in the home, wonderful, fine, but it's not the place of the school to show a one-sided propaganda piece to children without parents knowing about it."

Cieslewicz said such values should be decided in the home, not at school.

"They shouldn't be troubling our youth with the woes of the world and making them feel like we're in slavery or they have to worry about how many times they flush the toilet or if they have a plastic water bottle," Cieslewicz said, referring to pledges in the video to "end slavery."

Ruzicka said she contacted local media about the video after receiving complaints from several parents. Ruzicka said she worried the video's messages would confuse children whose parents might choose to use plastic bags when shopping or who want their children to flush the toilet after every use. Also she said she didn't like a pledge "to be of service to Barack Obama" as he is here to serve Americans, not the other way around.

Ruzicka said she'd like to see the school district send a link to the video to all parents before an upcoming back-to-school night so they can voice their opinions and discuss it with their children. Williams said it's unlikely the district will send out a link, but parents are welcome to access the video on YouTube.



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Okay I am hearing this from even doctors. It is the "spooky Obama spin."  Obama with a mustache and brown shirts. It is pretty rampant on the net. And Obm with his armed republican guard unit thing doesn't make people comfortable.  And with all the executive order and Homeland at his side and martial law- he could be scary.

How well do we know the guy that 60,000,000 plus people voted for. Not really well. Fox network was nearly bound and gagged during the campaign. He would not even answer questions from them. He was raised by a Muslim. He is sympathetic to Muslims. I got one letter where he said he was in Egypt trying to patch things up with Muslims.

I'm on a list since I called there. So, I guess, are a lot of people. You want on the list (grin- now there's a thinker- do you really want to be on President Obama's personal contact list? Might have been such a hot idea calling the White House.)

You want to be on OBMs list. Call him.

You want to be in the biometric data base- go give them your DNA - they'll be glad to take it. Want to have your company listed with .gov- get a CCR.

Do I want to pledge to be a servant to Barack Obama? If you are military you already are- he is your commander and chief.

I forget that we have a lot of not Americans on the site. OBM is not their leader. And some really don't like him.

Can honestly say- despite a few emails- I really feel I don't know him at all. People love new presidents and really tear up others as they aren't God on a throne after awhile.

It is like someone asking you- would you do me favor?

Well- that is like pledging allegience in terms of total servitude to a leader you really don't know. Tell me what the favor is.

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I will be curious to see if it shown here in Oklahoma schools? Oklahoma voted very heavily for McCain, even though most people are registered Democrats. I have yet to meet anyone who is happy with Obama, here in Oklahoma (I know there has to be some, I just haven't met any), although I know people out of state who are happy with him.
 
I didn't view it, but I don't have a problem with my 13 year old watching it if they do show it. She is old enough to think for herself, I am not sure how I would feel if I had younger children.
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Leftist propaganda is the public school system you say!?!
 
Color me surprised. Ermm
 
I did not pledge to Barack Obama when I took the oath, I will not EVER pledge my service to Barack Obama nor will I *ANY* president. I will obey their LAWFUL orders, and those of the officers appointed above me and their lawful orders, but my allegiance belongs to the Constitution, and only the Constitution. It will be defended against all enemies, including those that attempt to ursurp and destroy the Constitution regardless if they're Republican, Democrat, or the President of the United States. The day the orders from those above me stop being lawful will be the day I will hang it all up.
 
Just to be clear, more than 85% of all military members agree with me.
 
The scheiss coming from our President nowadays is really scary and if anyone doesn't see the obvious and easy to find comparisons between Hitler and Obama, you're either naive or are part of the problem.
 
Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

Another------Conspiricy Theory------
 
 
Sorry, this one is not a conspiracy theory. The video exists. And though a picture says a thousand words, a video says an encyclopedia.
 
Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

 
And you all are wondering why the site is losing credibility
 
Stop drinking the Koolaid. At which point do the people pledge to serve the President instead of the President serving the people?
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Originally posted by Turboguy Turboguy wrote:


And you all are wondering why the site is losing credibility
 
Stop drinking the Koolaid. At which point do the people pledge to serve the President instead of the President serving the people?
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As a soldier, you should recognize the site has become in some areas a warzone. It elludes me why more has not been done to regulate the tone of posts in terms of data or comment versus attack.

Many of us have been here for years. We have had people come and go that were aggressive, but quite honestly Turbo- I truly think this is an effort to attack and destroy the credibility of the site.

I have seen this before. I have even seen the methods being used before to destroy a site. AFT has become very high profile. Remember Albert said we would be announcing on the media shortly. Well, personally some of us are going on to the media and I have invited Albert to join me.

The site has become powerful. Many people read it. 

It has also become political. And the big hits here are not by Americans. As a military guy would you say we are under attack. Well, consider Dr. D, and Dr. John, both M.D.s have been either been mocked, abused, or even called out to fight in the street, I would say it is time for the hand in the sky to stop people driving health professionals from the site.

The Obama issue is supercharged. We know that there is heavy net presence from the presidential camp. We also know there is dropping public support. We also know that the Afghanistan problem is getting to be really serious.

Here we have users trying to police a site when they are not even moderators or admin. Trying to tell them who to delete, what to allow to be posted- this seems pretty bizarre.

The site will survive, and hopefully we will be able to post until we are post the Second Wave or the screen goes black.  The site is not losing credibility- however it would seem some sure want it to.

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There definitely is some funny Kool-Aid going around, but I assure you it is not me drinking it.

 
This site is being turned into Conspiracy Theory Central, might as well just make Malkin, Beck, and Limpblow the moderators and call it a day.

Oh and this is very sensative material garnered from top secret profiles which can not be named here today (Trust Me).

 
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What's the point?  we all know that Obama and the Left are fascists - so what?  Just vote against them next time - that is all you can do.
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Mahshadin...
 
Other Presidents have made back to school speeches. (Non-political)
 
The premise of the speech by itself I have no problem with. But it is not just an
inspirational speech to encourage students to achieve goals and stay in school.
This is a National Televised Speech with a Curriculum attached written and advised by Presidential Aides coordinated with the Department of Education.  Packets have been sent
with lesson plans, suggested activities and a book reading list (about Obama).  BTW, sent to Principals of schools bypassing School Boards without the time or for the usual necessary approval.
 
What should or could be an outstanding message crosses the line.  Teachers, School Boards and Parents across the country have had the same reactions and concerns.
Not a conspiracy.  
 
Questions to be asked about his speech:
What is the President Telling me?
What is the President asking me to do?
Letters are being asked to be written from the children about what they can do for our
president.
 
All sounds fine but when you combine them all together it is disconcerting.  Albeit, we have
not heard his speech to know if he will have undertones pushing his political policies.  But...that is a problem of which Parents should be first informed when educating their children.
 
Combining it all together with the Video is a problem.
 
If you see the "I Pledge" Hollywood Video - which Obama appears on you will understand.
(you can see it by going to the link in my above post)
This is unprecedented.  "I pledge to be a servant to our  President"   ????
Other pledges in the video are being questioned as suitable to be shown to our school children.  That is for the parents and family to decide, not the Federal government.  It goes too far. I will not be surprised if they decided to not show this video
This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.
 
Even today, the White House/Presidential Aides are reconsidering their "wording" and their plans for the speech after the outpouring of concern by school boards across the country. 
 
Not a Conspiracy
 
Yes, respect for the Office of the President, Just don't glorify it. 
 
Emphasize student accountability...not what you can do for your president.
 
Just another step too far.  Some may call it subtle manipulation.
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Mahshadin, I guess if you can't argue the facts, demean the messenger ?
 
We also have the right to question what is being taught to our children.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

This site is being turned into Conspiracy Theory Central, might as well just make Malkin, Beck, and Limpblow the moderators and call it a day.
 
The fact that you call this a conspiracy theory is a fallacious argument if I ever saw one, and to pair it up with an ad hominem is icing on the cake. Instead of actually looking at the evidence, you attack the site, the OP, and Beck... though I am at a loss as to how you made that connection. Big straw man.
 
Just because you say something is a conspiracy theory to attack credibility does not make it so. That's the same as me telling you that your points are wrong because you're stupid. Are you stupid? No, but on this one you're wrong. If George Bush had asked for people to pledge fealty to him and his issues, you'd be screaming for blood!
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I agree with...sjf53  the wacky EDU-Speak that was sent to teachers .. bad move.
 
and does this sound like an Educational Group with their act together?
 
 
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Chris Williams, Davis School District spokesman, said

school principal   Ofelia Wade
 
and school PTA leaders  (not parents)
 
 
decided to show the video
 
 
as part of an assembly about the school's theme for the year, service.
 
 
He said the PTA board chose the video
 
and Wade (school principal )
 
 did not see it before it was shown in the assembly.

"It got to a point where she turned to her assistant and said, '

Oops, I wish I would have seen this before.
 
I don't think I would have shown it,' "
 
Williams said.
 
 
He said Wade could see how some adults might find the video political.
 
 
 
 

Parents upset over 'leftist propaganda' video

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 The Tatoos were not cool...   I pledge to be a   servant  not cool
 
Big giant head at the end... not cool.
 
 
poorly produced... 
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on the upcoming speech tuesday morn... 10 am....
 
 
Obama speech to students: Not all parents want their kids to see it

Updated: 09/03/2009 07:39:58 AM MDT

excerpt-

Nationally, the
 
Virginia State Superintendent is urging schools "to make reasonable accommodations for students whose parents may object."
 
 
In Texas, parents are threatening to boycott schools, according to The Houston Chronicle . And

 
in Florida, the head of the state Republican Party labeled the address an inappropriate "indoctrination" to the President's "socialist" agenda.
 
 
 
Utah school districts are taking precautions.
 
Granite, Jordan, Salt Lake City and Davis districts are sending letters to principals saying
 
that if they plan to broadcast the speech, they should warn parents

and provide alternate activities for students who don't want to watch it. Canyons is
 
sending home letters to parents today along with waivers they can sign if they don't want
 
their children to watch the speech.
 
source
By Lisa Schencker And Kirsten Stewart
The Salt Lake Tribune
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13256838
 
 
 
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WOW! What the heck are you people talking about? What is so wrong with the President (No matter who he is) speaking to our youth about being better educated students?  Should we go back to the old days when the church ran everything and people were not taught to read and write?

Questions that are recommended for Teachers to ask students after the speech along with answers.

What is the President trying to tell me? Duh! The President is telling me  that education is important and that I should stay in school and learn.

What is the President asking me to do? Duh again! The President is telling me to do my best.
Any first grader can answer these questions.
Wow again! I think too many of you are listening to too much Pink Floyd "WE DON'T NEED NO EDUCATION!"
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Duh, did you listen to the whole part and kiss your bicepts?  and pledge to be his servant?
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I am sorry I didn't make myself clear as to what I was referring to. I was referring to the speech that President Obama will be giving to school children. I was not referring to the YouTube Video.  I wasn't aware that YouTube was a reliable source.  If it is I guess it is true that people can walk naked on the moon. That is one video that I saw on YouTube. Oh My Goodness!
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Turboguy,Once again,I agree with your statement completely.Johnray1
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The "I Pledge" Video initially was  going to be shown along with the President speech.  I am not sure with all the concern if it will still be viewed.  The video was produced by
Demi Moore and Ashton Kucher. "I pledge to be a servant to our President"
Subtle manipulation.
 
The WH Presidential Aides have admitted Today that the "wording" needed to be changed in the activities and written materials sent. 
 
Maybe someone can look this up but I thought I read that Federal statutes denies any authority to the Federal Department of Education to provide any kind of curriculum to be passed down to the state, and thats part of the statute forming the Department of Education.  Maybe this is why they by-passed the School Board Districts and sent the Packets of Lessons Plans and materials directly to the Principals of schools instead.  I think the Federal Government was maybe overstepping its bounds. 
 
(Please let me know if I am wrong on the statutes.)
 
Especially, not giving any time for the School Districts to review the materials.  Which by
most accounts School Boards and Educators across the country after reviewing the materials and seeing the video had concerns of inappropriate political overtones. 
Again, subtle manipulation if true.
 
 
If Obama would have just made a feel good, welcome back to school, his usual inspirational type speech to work hard, stay in school and have goals. 
 
Everyone would have welcomed it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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What is your problem???

That was an absolutely fantastic video.  I would definitely encourage my kids and all kids to watch it and to take it to heart.   It is about time that the people of this country started pledging to do good in the world.    How can anyone not agree with the content of that video? Of all the hundred or so pledges to do something good or right, some people are upset because there is one pledge to get behind our president in his fight to get people involved in good works?  You kind of make me sick to my stomach.   
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another article...
 
 
Obama speech to students draws conservative ire

By LIBBY QUAID and LINDA STEWART BALL (AP) -7 hours ago

excerpt-
 

Arizona state schools superintendent Tom Horne, a Republican, said lesson plans for teachers created by Obama's Education Department "call for a worshipful rather than critical approach."

The White House plans to release the speech online Monday so parents can read it.

He will deliver the speech at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Va.
 
and..
 
Critics are particularly upset about lesson plans the administration created to accompany the speech.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by SanFran SanFran wrote:

What is your problem???

That was an absolutely fantastic video.  I would definitely encourage my kids and all kids to watch it and to take it to heart.   It is about time that the people of this country started pledging to do good in the world.    How can anyone not agree with the content of that video? Of all the hundred or so pledges to do something good or right, some people are upset because there is one pledge to get behind our president in his fight to get people involved in good works?  You kind of make me sick to my stomach.   

 
Didn't a certain Adolph Hitler also send propaganda depicting people doing good things, helping the poor, helping those in need, and of course, pledging themselves to Die Furher! With a quick search there are thousands of propaganda videos, posters, and material with Adolph Hitler calling on the people to do good works.
 
I'm sure some sheeple then said exactly the same thing as you did right there. "What could be wrong with that?"
 
Next thing you know you're going to go full fascist and call me a racist because I don't think  he's the second coming, the Messiah, His Galactic Oneness, or anything so high. I don't believe this President has our best interests at heart. How many Czars are there that answer only to the president, are appointed only by the president, and have zero congressional oversight, while weilding unprecedented amounts of power? How many of those have anyone's best interests at heart? After all of this you're still drinking the Koolaid? Hey, in your little world I'm sure a force as well funded, equipped, and powerful as the US military solely under the control of the President would be a good thing, wouldn't it?
 
Ever hear of the Iraqi Republican Guard or the SS? How about the Janjaweed? Look it up.
 
 
Originally posted by The Facilitator The Facilitator wrote:

WOW! What the heck are you people talking about? What is so wrong with the President (No matter who he is) speaking to our youth about being better educated students?  Should we go back to the old days when the church ran everything and people were not taught to read and write?
 
Nice attempt at a Straw Man/Excluded middle Fallacy, but you're caught red handed. Try again, better luck next time.
 
Here's what's wrong with it: These people fight tooth and nail to keep the Pledge of Allegiance out of the school system, a pledge to get behind America, yet are more than happy to get our children pledging allegiance behind a president. It wasn't enough for them to believe that this man was a living god, to be worshipped, they (and you it seems) want those who are the most easily swayed believig that as well through peer pressure. That is scary crap. That exact same progression of events is what brought us numerous despots.
 
Originally posted by The Facilitator The Facilitator wrote:

Questions that are recommended for Teachers to ask students after the speech along with answers.
 
So when a kid asks why the President wants him/her to pledge alliegance to him instead of to the United States of America, the answer will be...?
 
So when a kid asks a teacher if this sounds a little too much Nazi-esque, the answer will be?
 
Originally posted by The Facilitator The Facilitator wrote:

What is the President trying to tell me? Duh! The President is telling me  that education is important and that I should stay in school and learn.
 
And I would totally agree if that was the only message in the video. It is not, you know it's not, and you are lacking in any intellectual integrity if you say otherwise. Now if it was said that I pledge to the United States to be the best I possibly can by finishing school, learning, and becoming a productive member of society, hey I'd be all behind it. This it is not. Instead the self absorbed ass wants people to believe and pledge to him and you see nothing wrong with that? Grape flavor or Cherry?
 
Originally posted by The Facilitator The Facilitator wrote:

Any first grader can answer these questions.
Wow again! I think too many of you are listening to too much Pink Floyd "WE DON'T NEED NO EDUCATION!"
 
That's right, any first grader can answer these questions. But they are also the most easy to indoctrinate. Pink Floyd was wrong, we do need education, but we don't need the brand of propaganda and indoctrination our President is trying to spoon feed our children.

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Thanks for clearing the water - Turboguy
 
My pleasure, though by now I've been officially reported to His Masterfulness as a Rightwing extremist with my Libertarian bumper sticker and my clinging to my guns and religion.
 
How dare I make the paltry effort to connect the glaring dots and point out the obvious excesses of our current administration!?! How dare anyone!?! If you even hint at questioning the motives of His High Lordship you sir or ma'am are an extremist, a conspiracy theorist, or just downright UNAMERICAN and need to be shipped off to the re-education camp.
 
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As Charles Murray trenchantly remarked, “To those Obama supporters who put this kind of reaction down to angry conservatives, ask yourselves: quite apart from your political views, if George W. Bush had proposed to make a national speech to schoolchildren, complete with lesson plans, isn’t ‘creepy’ a word that would have come to mind?”
 
I don't think they'd be yelling creepy. They'd be screaming for an oak tree and someone to bring a rope. Hypocritical Liberals, nothing surprises me from them anymore.
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Hey news flash
 
 
I saw three people organizing a community effort.
 
They must be oppressive Communist Marxist Thugs.
 
Call to action, must stop the socialists.
 
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Originally posted by Turboguy Turboguy wrote:

Originally posted by SanFran SanFran wrote:

What is your problem???

That was an absolutely fantastic video.  I would definitely encourage my kids and all kids to watch it and to take it to heart.   It is about time that the people of this country started pledging to do good in the world.    How can anyone not agree with the content of that video? Of all the hundred or so pledges to do something good or right, some people are upset because there is one pledge to get behind our president in his fight to get people involved in good works?  You kind of make me sick to my stomach.   

 
Didn't a certain Adolph Hitler also send propaganda depicting people doing good things, helping the poor, helping those in need, and of course, pledging themselves to Die Furher! With a quick search there are thousands of propaganda videos, posters, and material with Adolph Hitler calling on the people to do good works.



Thanks for convincing us that Obama is the equivalent of Hitler because both of them recommended doing good works.  Your logic is unassailable.  We will all be on the lookout in the future for people recommending doing good and we will now know that they are really nothing more than Hitler in disguise.  

And thanks for proving Godwin's Law in such rapid fashion.  It usually takes a little longer.
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Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

Hey news flash
 
 
I saw three people organizing a community effort.
 
They must be oppressive Communist Marxist Thugs.
 
Call to action, must stop the socialists.
 
Corner of (Self)    &    (Delusion)
 
Grape or Strawberry Koolaid for you?
 
Not to worry in any case, Mahshadin, they were probably evil, deluded Conservatives paid by the Insurance industry going to go speak out to their elected represenatives at a town hall meeting. Those darn, what do you call them? Oh yeah! Astroturf, Teabaggers, and there was another buy I can't remember it... Oh well, I'm sure you'll fill me in!
 
Of all people, Mahshadin, I would think that you were above that crap you posted...
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Originally posted by SanFran SanFran wrote:

Thanks for convincing us that Obama is the equivalent of Hitler because both of them recommended doing good works.  Your logic is unassailable.  We will all be on the lookout in the future for people recommending doing good and we will now know that they are really nothing more than Hitler in disguise.
 
Hey not a problem, can you formulate a realistic response saying that the parallels between the two are not there without resorting to the, quite honestly, idiotic fallacy? I'll await your attempt with baited breath, though I know you're too blissfully ignorant to actually open your eyes.
 
I'll help you: Meteoric rise to power, gross attempts at pushing propaganda onto the minds that are the easiest to indoctrinate, calls for a military force that rivals the military which swears allegiance to the president alone, calls for allegiance not to the country but to an elected leader, attempts to malign a select group (In this case "Rightwing extremists" or anyone that happens to disagree with His Oneness), a push to Socialize huge parts of the country.
Originally posted by SanFran SanFran wrote:


And thanks for proving Godwin's Law in such rapid fashion.  It usually takes a little longer.
 
You're welcome, but I must thank you as well, It's been a long time since I've seen the level of hypocrisy from one poster. Congrats! Clap
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Turboguy

Actually I thought that was rather artful

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And I would just like to add a brief comment

 

The President of This United States Does Not Need a Permission Slip to talk to the schools. He has earned the right to address the American people of all ages (Election). Sounds like sour grapes

This would apply to any President whether Democrat, Republican or whatever Party. The funny thing is this argument would be completely rejected if the roles were reversed. Talk about Hypocrisy or is it just plain old Obstruction.

I think many will feel pretty foolish once they hear what he has to say and for what reasons.

 

Just my opinion of course

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I am not referring to the video. Why do you keep including that with the speech? Two separate issues. Freedom of Speech Remember????? Anyone can post a YouTube Video. YouTube is not a valid resource.
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Dear Turboguy,
You make me laugh! You do not understand Pink Floyd at all. The real message they were conveying is that we Do need education but not the kind that was being offered. Freedom of speech in an abstract way. 
 
What would you tell our children if you had the opportunity to give a speech?
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   Actually, I'd have been pleasantly surprised if Bush had done the same. As much as I disliked the guy I think it would have been a wonderful gesture on his part to interact with American schoolchildren on such a personal level - his style of leadership had too much of an ivory tower feel to it for my liking. And I have to say that despite my personal feelings for Dubya, if my kid had been given the opportunity to meet him I'd have been more than happy to let him - I think it's heartless to deny them the chance to meet their Commander In Chief. Those kinds of memories are priceless. Now if it had been Cheney showing up at his school I'd have told him to run like hell...LOL
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remembering the VP made me smile...  (hunting prowess)  so then I remembered Jib Jab...
 
some of their best work was for Pres Bush, and I wanted to see if they did anything for
 
Pres. Obama.
 
here 
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Second down on the left side.
 
 
 
 
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 This is cute... Pres and 1st lady...  I would like to put my parents photos in this film.
 
 
 
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some are tastless ...some are good, earlier was better.
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Originally posted by New York Times New York Times wrote:

The first President George Bush, a Republican, made a similar nationally broadcast speech from a Washington high school in 1991, urging students to study hard, avoid drugs and to ignore peers “who think it’s not cool to be smart.” Democrats in Congress accused him of using taxpayer money — $27,000 to produce the broadcast — for “paid political advertising.”
 
Sooooo it was all that was evil when George Bush did it, but it's okay now? Hypocritical leftists. And if anyone thinks that this is anything more than a paltry attempt to sway the most impressional minds toward the looming failure that is everything this president does to pray for support, you're fooling yourself.
 
Originally posted by TheFacilitator TheFacilitator wrote:

Dear Turboguy,
I am not referring to the video. Why do you keep including that with the speech? Two separate issues. Freedom of Speech Remember????? Anyone can post a YouTube Video. YouTube is not a valid resource.
 
Two issues which are part of the same whole. You'd love to simply compartmentalize all the wrongs this guy's pulling, which I might add are far worse than anything the Bush and Clintons could have dreamt of, but I'm not going to let you.
 
Your Freedom of Speech rights are to be protected. I would fight and die, and have promised to do so, so you'd have that right. The Freedom of Speech only goes so far, however, as the President is *NOT* to have unfettered access to the children in a forum where they're forced, either through curriculum or peer pressure to conform, to imbibe of the crap coming from Washington.
 
Here's another problem: The President had the audacity to believe any propaganda he has to say trumps kids learning in school. Let me be clear: I am, and will be against any politician, especially someone as powerful as the President addressing schoolchildren regardless of their political affiliation.
 
Originally posted by TheFacilitator TheFacilitator wrote:

Dear Turboguy,
You make me laugh! You do not understand Pink Floyd at all. The real message they were conveying is that we Do need education but not the kind that was being offered. Freedom of speech in an abstract way.
 
I understand exactly what the song was talking about, but I'm glad that I gave you a good belly laugh. I was using it in the same context as you were. Being the president is not an excuse someone gets to use to score political points and indoctrinate at the expense of schoolchildren.
 
Originally posted by TheFacilitator TheFacilitator wrote:

What would you tell our children if you had the opportunity to give a speech?
 
Good question! I'd start with a good dose of personal responsibility, followed up with advise to not let simple fear restrain you from reaching as high as you can. We live in the only place on Earth where just because you may fall down, you CAN pick yourself up and do it better. I'd tell them to never rely on the government because the government is only good at two things: Organizing a military and collecting taxes. Everything else government puts its skill to is an unmitigated disaster. I'd tell them to always question those in authority without fear. The only authority you should fear questioning is a despot, he will kill you for it and should be fought.
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enough sparing...
 
back to the topic... sept. 8 speech.
 
It may be good for the kids to feel important...that the President asks them to stay in school. 
 
 
The children should be writing about themselves.  The Teacher should ask,
 
What type of job would you like to have as an adult?  What will you need to learn to do that job?
 
Has anyone visited a college or a trade school?
 
We will be planning to visit some in the future.
 
 
 
NOT as beneficial to the children...
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Teachers can build background knowledge about
the President of the United States and his speech
by reading books about presidents and Barack Obama
and motivate students by asking the following questions:
 
 
Who is the President of the United States?
 
What do you think it takes to be President?
 
To whom do you think the President is going to be speaking?
 
 
Why do you think he wants to speak to you? '
 
What do you think he will say to you?
 
As students listen to the speech, they could think about the following: 
 
What is the President trying to tell me?
 
 
What is the President asking me to do?
 
 
Students could discuss their responses to the following questions:
 
 
 
What do you think the President wants us to do?
 
 
 
 Does the speech make you want to do anything?
 
 
Are we able to do what President Obama is asking of us?
 
 
What would you like to tell the President?
 
 
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 This may be another reason why Educators, School Districts and Parents  have concerns and are questioning.   Ideology. 
 
Click here
 
 
Another Communist in Obama’s Orb
Meet Michael Klonsky, Obama's "social justice" education expert.

By Andrew C. McCarthy
National Review
 
Obama's Educational Agenda exposed........
 
 
"Here’s what you need to know. Klonsky is an unabashed communist whose current mission is to spread Marxist ideology in the American classroom. Obama funded him to the tune of nearly $2 million. Obama, moreover, gave Klonsky a broad platform to broadcast his ideas: a “social justice” blog on the official Obama campaign website.

To be clear, as it seems always necessary to repeat when Obamaniacs, in their best Saul Alinsky tradition, shout down the opposition: This is not about guilt by association. The issue is not that Obama knows Klonsky … or Ayers … or Dohrn … or Wright … or Rashid Khalidi …

The issue is that Obama promoted and collaborated with these anti-American radicals. The issue is that he shared their ideology. "
 
Please Read Full Article..........
 
 
Again....a back to school address by any President is welcomed.
 
 
But... without having advanced knowlege of the speech's content and then combined with materials, books and "I Pledge" video suggestion, a debate ensued. 
 
Unprecedented also, was the Federal government (Dept of Education) circumventing the usual State's (Dept of Education) School District Boards sending curriculum directly to the school principals. ??
 
 
The wording has been revised "artfully" now WH Presidential Aides assure and I am sure it will be another Inspirational Obama speech about student goals and staying in school. 
 
If there had been no uproar I just wonder what his original speech would have been?



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Mike Klonsky speaking at Loyola University, Chicago, 2007.

Michael Klonsky (born 1943) is an American educator, author,[1] and political activist. Klonsky is one of the leaders of the modern small schools movement which has done much to transform the face of secondary school education in the United State. His early research [1] on issues of school size and its impact on student achievement, school violence, and dropout rates, helped pave the way towards the development of thousands of new small and charter schools across the country.

In the 1970s he became a leader of the New Communist Movement which broke away from the older Communist Party USA and its allegiance to the Soviet Union. Klonsky later became critical of Marxist dogma but stayed active in civil rights, anti-war and educational reform politics. Klonsky is now a retired professor of education after teaching at several universities, including the University of Illinois, Chicago[2] and the Fischler School of Education at Nova Southeastern University.[3] His academic work focused on small school size as a solution to the problems of inner city schools. He is now the director of the Small Schools Workshop, a school outreach program associated with UIC.[4][5]

Klonsky's father, Robert Klonsky, a WWII veteran who fought as a volunteer against the Franco fascists during the Spanish Civil War, had been arrested and convicted of "conspiring to advocate Marxist views" Smith Act during the McCarthy period.[6] The Supreme Court later overturned the case. In the late 1960s Michael Klonsky became the national secretary of the Students for a Democratic Society,[7] which he joined as a student at San Fernando Valley State College (now California State University, Northridge).[8] He was one of five S.D.S. members arrested on May 12, 1969, when prank phone calls sent police and firefighters to the S.D.S. offices in Chicago.[7] In the 1970s he headed the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist),[9] in which role he was one of the first westerners allowed to visit the People's Republic of China.[9][10]

In 2008, Klonsky's thirty-year-old political positions became prominent again due to the United States presidential election of 2008. Several people questioned Barack Obama, incluing Hillary Clinton, George Stephanopoulos[11], John McCain and Sarah Palin, based upon Obama's relationship with William Ayers and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.[12]

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Clearing the water? I think he is dumping more dirt into the water.
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 Good question! I'd start with a good dose of personal responsibility, followed up with advise to not let simple fear restrain you from reaching as high as you can. We live in the only place on Earth where just because you may fall down, you CAN pick yourself up and do it better. I'd tell them to never rely on the government because the government is only good at two things: Organizing a military and collecting taxes. Everything else government puts its skill to is an unmitigated disaster. I'd tell them to always question those in authority without fear. The only authority you should fear questioning is a despot, he will kill you for it and should be fought. [/QUOTE]
 
 
Tuboguy,
Looks like we are on the same page. Your right about not relying on the government. There are a lot of people that do this. People on welfare for example. The only thing that you should leave out is your part about the anti-government. This is personal opinion and not something we should be putting into our children's heads. We should instead tell them to be involved in the world around them and make the world a better place and to make improvements to our government.
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Tuboguy,
Looks like we are on the same page. Your right about not relying on the government. There are a lot of people that do this.
 
I figured we would. I'm a center right libertarian and on some issues am hardcore leftist (Abortion is a woman's issue, education for children) and extremely far right on others (Gun rights, limits on government/taxation).   
 
Originally posted by TheFacilitator TheFacilitator wrote:

People on welfare for example.
 
Well, Welfare if used as it was designed and intended is as a stopgap between employment, and is a good thing. The perversion it has become in regards to the rampant misuse of it is where I think there is a problem. Some believe that the monthly moneycheck is THEIR money that they're owed. Oh man I've got a problem with that one...
 
Originally posted by TheFacilitator TheFacilitator wrote:

The only thing that you should leave out is your part about the anti-government. This is personal opinion and not something we should be putting into our children's heads. We should instead tell them to be involved in the world around them and make the world a better place and to make improvements to our government.
 
I disagree, and here's why: I work for the government (Federal in the Military, and at the county level civilian wise) and have found that the government's reaction to anything is never the way Goldilocks likes it best, just right. It's either entirely too little (Katrina) too much (Medicare, Social Security, TARP) or it's totally rotten (Cash for Clunkers, Stimulus Package, Govt Healthcare). This is why I say that they screw it up.
 
The part about questioning without fear I totally believe that kids nowadays need to learn. They need to always stand up and question those we've placed in power. The day the people fear the government rather than the government fears the people, we're going to have a major problem on our hands. If we're forced to fear asking questions of out government, we might as well live in a repressive place like China.
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hi all.... the speech is out there to read...  I have a few comments and I hope we hear
from all the posters here.  Most of you know... I think it isn't really all about the Pres...
It takes a village :)    I'm sure it will sound better? when he speaks..
 
 
I hoped it would be more upbeat..

It was   w   a    y    over the heads of the elementary kids.

It was too much like... you aren't doing your best  :(

The kids who drop out need to be built up.... need a dream... a goal.

I did not find it inspiring.

He meant well...

I give it a 4 for elementary age and a 5 1/2 for high school.

remember I ... read it.   It will sound different, better? spoken.
 
excerpts-      (that gave a tone I sensed)
 

and pushing you to learn
 making sure you stay on track, and get your homework done, and don't spend every waking hour in front of the TV or with that Xbox.

 turning around schools that aren't working where students aren't getting the opportunities they deserve.

none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed.
 
the responsibility each of you has for your education. I want to start with the responsibility you have to yourself.
You've got to work for it and train for it and learn for it.
 
What you make of your education will decide nothing less than the future of this country. What you're learning in school today will determine whether we as a nation can meet our greatest challenges in the future.
 
You'll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You'll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free. You'll need the creativity and ingenuity you develop in all your classes to build new companies that will create new jobs and boost our economy.

So today, I want to ask you, what's your contribution going to be? What problems are you going to solve? What discoveries will you make? What will a president who comes here in twenty or fifty or one hundred years say about what all of you did for this country? 

So I expect you to get serious this year. I expect you to put your best effort into everything you do. I expect great things from each of you. So don't let us down - don't let your family or your country or yourself down. Make us all proud. I know you can do it.
 
 

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 too much.   Give the kids better food ...healthy food at school.
That makes an impression on me.

Focus on the kids... not the textbooks and the tests, and the mind numbing sameness
of every day... day after day.  "take out your pencils...
The way they instruct teachers in colleges needs to change.
Elementary children should go outside for science lessons.

It sounded like the children were being blamed for the troubled school system.  :/
 
By the President of the United States.
 
 
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I read the speech and it was a rah,rah, speech. It mab be pushed by the liberal teachers as a wonderful thing and conservative teachers if any will not show it...they will be teaching.

I work with little kids they will not pay attention after about 5 minutes, after that it will be blah, blah, blah.

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Just a little side note.............Democrats held Investigations and Hearings for President Bush's School Speech. 1991
 
And..President Bush unlike Obama did not push/suggest or send curriculum along with activities and a "I Pledge to serve our president" video to coordinate with his speech.
 
Please check out/Google House Resolution HR 1388 - "Give Act" (Now renamed for Ten Kennedy)" Volunteer and Education Act."  Passed by Obama April 2009   294 page document  (Companion Ammendment S277) 
Amendments to require service were left out before the house and senate would approve.
- Funding allocated to increase Americorp and community organizing organizations.
New government entities added to the system
 
 
But...in a few days of HR 1388 passage the progressives were back at it with this bill HR 1444
 
Please check out/Google House Resolution HR 1444 - All the provisions left out of HR 1388 have been reintroduced in this bill.  NOT passed yet.  
Said "Commission" will be  appoinited for the life of the bill and be given the ability to Require/Mandatory Service.
 
Remember Rahm Emanuel and "The Plan".
 
 
IMHO - I think Obama's original school day speech was to coordinate or was a subtle prelude to his speech to be given on 9/11 - Now declared National Day of Service.   Watch his speech on 9/11 and see how it all comes together with HR 1388/1444.  Van Jones was to be a big part of these activities on 9/11.  Look up the groups sponsoring and organizing the days activities. 
 
 
 
 

When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings

By: Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
09/08/09 7:11 AM EDT

The controversy over President Obama's speech to the nation's schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.

Unlike the Obama speech, in 1991 most of the controversy came after, not before, the president's school appearance. The day after Bush spoke, the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit. "The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," the Post reported.

With the Post article in hand, Democrats pounced. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"

Democrats did not stop with words. Rep. William Ford, then chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate the cost and legality of Bush's appearance. On October 17, 1991, Ford summoned then-Education Secretary Lamar Alexander and other top Bush administration officials to testify at a hearing devoted to the speech. "The hearing this morning is to really examine the expenditure of $26,750 of the Department of Education funds to produce and televise an appearance by President Bush at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, DC," Ford began. "As the chairman of the committee charged with the authorization and implementation of education programs, I am very much interested in the justification, rationale for giving the White House scarce education funds to produce a media event."

Unfortunately for Ford, the General Accounting Office concluded that the Bush administration had not acted improperly. "The speech itself and the use of the department's funds to support it, including the cost of the production contract, appear to be legal," the GAO wrote in a letter to Chairman Ford. "The speech also does not appear to have violated the restrictions on the use of appropriations for publicity and propaganda."

That didn't stop Democratic allies from taking their own shots at Bush. The National Education Association denounced the speech, saying it "cannot endorse a president who spends $26,000 of taxpayers' money on a staged media event at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, D.C. -- while cutting school lunch funds for our neediest youngsters."

Lost in all the denouncing and investigating was the fact that Bush's speech itself, like Obama's today, was entirely unremarkable. "Block out the kids who think it's not cool to be smart," the president told students. "If someone goofs off today, are they cool? Are they still cool years from now, when they're stuck in a dead end job. Don't let peer pressure stand between you and your dreams.

 


 

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