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    Posted: September 20 2006 at 5:43pm
Is anyone watching Jericho on  CBS? It's the series premiere. (I think they're running it again on Saturday.

The description is "A deadly explosion catapults residents into chaos"

Obviously very different from a pandemic.

But one of the plot lines is a former police officer from St. Louis who has some idea what is going to happen (civil unrest and why their electricity went out) and the local officials don't even want to talk to him.

Some parts of it seem weirdly familiar  - I'm not sure if that's avian flu prep or my former involvement in emergency medicine though.

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I saw the program tonight. You can watch it on line also. I have heard the online version will give you deeper insight to the charecters but it is not needed to watch it. The things shown tonight, were a run on gas. Moving perishable food to ice refrigerators. How to do a emergency tach. Public panic. The importance of having emergency supplies on hand, the gieger counter and the first aid kit in the school bus. We have a prision bus that crashed and at least one criminal on the loose. Pretty much everything we have talked about here. Major Dad is the mayor of the town. LOL I think he has a new name though. It was a little slow tonight I thought, they could have used a two hour movie to kick it off and do a bit more development. My family was watching and my 19 year old wanted to know why the people were all acting wierd at the gas station. I think it is going to be a cood conversation starter. It may be easier to do with a ficticious situation.
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I don't know how to put in words the gut wrinching feeling I got when I saw the young boy on the roof looking at the mushroom cloud in the sky.. The impending feeling of what was going to happen next. The kids stuck on the bus, the girl on the highway seeing all the dead animals in the street and not know what was going on.. The young boy who heard his mother on the answering machine and the loud expolsion and the line going dead.
It indeed was very chilling to watch. The helpless feeling of being caught in a situation you just don't know what to do next. I suppose that movie will make us all think. How we need to ban together in any situation weither it be bird flu. A terrorist attack. Or a huricane or some kind of disaster.

All we can do is keep a cool head on our shoulders.
Help one another. And respect the life that is still living on this earth.
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I have a feeling that this show will get better with time.  Probably every episode will offer us little nuggets of information/ideas that could aid in planning (or at least just get us thinking of issues we'd never considered).  This was not great tv, but it was much better than that stupid, unrealistic bird flu movie a few months ago.  Here, the scenario was plausible and the actions made sense in context.

The truth is, in a sense a bird flu pandemic will be much worse than what is shown here.  The big theme was that the townspeople will get through this if they all stick together.  In a bf pandemic, there will be no 'together', only 'apart'. 

As I watched it I was really tense because I kept thinking about how much worse a pandemic will be since these people had no fear of physical contact - but we will.  Imagine the events in that program, illness, injury, etc. but people afraid to come to each other's aid.  When you watch it next week, imagine it all playing out the same, only with fear of being around other people added to the mix.  UGH!

Even though it was not great art and probably will not even be on most people's radar, I recommend this show.  We can learn something from it.
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 I missed it , but my dd has TVO"sp?" for me , won't be able to watch on saturday, my son is getting married,  roxy
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Maybe we should have a blog on what we can do for each other. We can talk to neighbors if we stand so many feet apart and with masks on, or even full cover. As long as we have power, we can go on line or call.
The radiation is going to cause troubles for them also. With a huge nuclear war, the facilities that produce medication of any kind would be gone after the supply you had ran out. No doubt if the show stays on long enough, there will be a illness with no medication.
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I enjoyed the show.  I hope it drives home the point that there are all  sorts of things to prepare for.  Natural, man made, pandemics etc.  But preparing is preparing.  Yes certain events need special stuff.  But food is still food, water is still water, shelter is still shelter, etc.  I don't think that we can afford (for our families sakes) to zero in on just one type of disaster. 
 
Yes the up coming pandemic should be taken seriously.  But who said we can only get hit with one thing at a time?  What happens if we get another terrorist hit, then the pandemic hits? 
 
I know we are all preparers.  All I'm saying is don't concentrate on the pandemic so hard as to ignore other emergencies. 
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I am watching it and enjoy it.  I am waiting to see how preps play into this movie.
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It's on again tonight (Sat)  on CNBC at 8pm...better check that.
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Jericho is stress for me to watch, but I am a fan. I witnessed many a-bombs and counted down as those kids did, waiting for the flash, the cloud, and the rattle of windows and dishes.  The whole world went bright as day at 4:00 a.m. (less wind) then into a red glow for many minutes. We were downwind.  And believe it or not, one of the Jericho persons has my real last name!!  It is visiting my past life.
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Maybe it will come out on DVD as a series. I work 2nd shift and a lot of Saturdays so I miss a lot of programs.
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I watched it with my son's girl friend on tevo yesterday. we are hooked. she was already with me on the preps , but her jaw dropped over seeing the fights over food,gas, my comment was ,do you think we have enough sugar?I think this TV show will get  people thinking and moving , roxy
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Don't forget Jericho is on tonight at 8pm eastern time. Better go make my popcorn. Looks good tonight!
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I'mn home tonight, cold,?? maybe the flu, a gift from my son,  were are going to watch it, roxy
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I finally saw it...good show...Wished I had seen it from beginning...Thanks for the heads up Medolyathome
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You can go to the CBS website and it should have the show to watch on computer if you did not get to see it.
Wow, this show tonight, the old bomb shelters in complete disrepair.  I dont have a basement, but I have the plastic, tape, food,  water. Fallout, needing food for shelters on tonights show, radios that dont work. Criminals on the loose. Shelters not large enough to hold the people they were suppose to hold. Cars running out of gas. People stranded away from home. I wish they would show if the ones who are traveling have what they need to survive. Look at how the girl thought she was calling for help on the police radio, but she was alerting the criminals to what she was doing. Something to bear in mind if you ever have to communicate over the radio waves. Who else could be listening? Morris code? I bought some walkie talkies for my son with the code on it. It was chilling again to see the pins go on the map.
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Yes, the pins up at the end were scarey. He did not pin up Atlanta and whatever city in Colorado but we know they were hit from first show. This looks like all out war. I like the movie. I like the part in the bar where the guy says if I died I'll die here with my buddies...I hear this all the time from people. They never think about how they might die and that they don't HAVE to die if they are not in the immediate area of the blast. There are things that can be done. I like how they showed that people should go below and I did not know about taping up windows. I do have lots of duck tape just cause we use it for EVERTYHING around here but I don't have plastic like that to cover all of our windows. I will get some just to have in hand. I suppose plastic sheets are good for many reasons such as a leaky roof, painting, whatever:O) Going to get some soon:O)
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Sounds like next week they are sending citizens from Jericho out in different directions to see what happened to the country and maybe what is left.
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I'm hooked. I hadn't even thought of taping the windows, lots of duck tape and plastic are now on the list.    
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Hi to all, pre cut the plastic to fit your windows and doors, and label them, if something happens your one step ahead. I learn this here I believe,.great show. It made the younger generation sit up and take notice, plenty of talk in my house afterwards. roxy
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OK but what if it happens in winter?...
Do you use your wood stove.?.
Would the heat from the stove  allow you to burn safely and if the window and doors are taped how long before you run out of air?
 
How long does it take before you can crack a window for air?
 
 
 
 
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Hc, there are many variables, how far are you from the event, are you down wind of it, how much time do you have till you close up the house, I'm not an expert on this ,but to decrease my exposer to an event is better for me.what are your risks?,close to a major city, target?some ideas we have passed around here for bird flu, a tent in the living room, sleep together for warmth, sleeping bags, battery lamps, food ready to eat, etc.,I don;t think any one will be able to close up a living space that tight, but I remenber reading that a family died in Isreal from lack of oxygen from closing up a room and going in too early. the point is from recent readings on line is to decrease your exposure. there was a thread here that had a link to 3 days to a Nuclear attack, and I think surving an attack, it answered alot of my ? good luck, roxy,
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Originally posted by roxy roxy wrote:

Hi to all, pre cut the plastic to fit your windows and doors, and label them, if something happens your one step ahead.


Great idea. There is so much good information here.   
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Originally posted by roxy roxy wrote:

. there was a thread here that had a link to 3 days to a Nuclear attack, and I think surving an attack, it answered alot of my ? good luck, roxy,
 
LOL I posted that...Maybe I should read it again..Its was bird flu Nuclear and Earth quake...
 

The Survivalistfrom: David Shenk

How To Survive a Nuclear Bomb

Posted Tuesday, Sept. 5, 2006, at 6:22 PM ET

Illustration by Deanna Staffo. Click image to expand.How does one rank hypothetical catastrophes? Which would be worse—another Katrina or another 9/11? It seems fitting to begin with the cataclysm we've all been worrying about for more than half a century: a nuclear attack on a major city. With some 27,000 nuclear warheads scattered around the world, and with, shall we say, less-than-ideal safeguards in Russia, Pakistan, and North Korea, some experts predict it is bound to happen sooner or later. They don't keep shuttling Dick Cheney to his undisclosed location (deep under Pennsylvania's Raven Rock Mountains) just for show. Shortly after 9/11, the White House was on high alert in response to a CIA report than an errant Soviet "suitcase nuke" was being smuggled into the United States. That report was eventually discredited, but given the current availability of fissile material and the shocking dearth of effort being spent to reduce it, such an alarm may eventually prove true. "If we continue along our present course," warns Harvard's Graham Allison, "nuclear terrorism is inevitable."

Here's the worst part: You will survive. Get those images of Jason Robards in The Day After out of your head. This is not that. We're not talking here about multiple-entry 20-megaton warheads wiping whole cities off the map in seconds. A single terrorist nuke, more likely in the 5- to 10-kiloton range (Hiroshima was 12 kilotons), will kill tens or hundreds of thousands of people in any big city but spare the rest. In New York, that will leave about 7.5 million of us to sort through the carnage.

Let's consider what would happen. The first 30 seconds or so will unfold like this:

  • A silent, invisible electromagnetic pulse will instantly disable many computers, cars, and other electronic systems for miles.
  • A blinding flash of light will bathe the area, burning the retinas of all looking directly into it. (Permanent blindness for some; temporary for others.)
  • A crushing heat and shock wave, accompanied by a fierce wind, will knock down many buildings within a half mile. Beyond that immediate radius, most buildings will stay standing, but people and glass will get tossed about for many miles.

Soon fires will engulf thousands of buildings, and a large, deadly plume of radioactive dust will be carried in one direction or another by prevailing winds.

So, what should you do? For all survivors within 20 miles, the immediate task will be to stay away from fires and avoid the fallout for at least a couple of days. (The vast majority of radioactivity fades away that quickly.) The only two methods of avoiding fallout would be:

A) to take shelter until the radiation danger fades, or

B) if you have time, evacuate the area, heading in a perpendicular direction to the fallout wind.

In either case, it would be a very good idea for everyone in the exposed area to take potassium iodide pills, a relatively harmless substance that prevents your thyroid from soaking up radio-iodine and thus lowers the risk of future thyroid cancer. (Appropriate doses here. Good place to buy the pills here.) It would also be extremely useful to have a key-chain radiation monitor—the one that currently seems to be most effective is here.

Whether to stay put or run away is the subject of some controversy. In all likelihood, many survivors of the blast would quickly find themselves in an eerie simulation of every political satirist's favorite film, Duck and Cover.

What in the 1950s came across as a laughably reassuring response to an overwhelming threat turns out to be surprisingly coherent practical advice for the urban 21st century. Because you are unlikely to be able to outrun the radioactive fallout, the best option in any city would most likely be to immediately find refuge under a thick physical barrier and to remain there for at least a few days. That barrier is your best defense against tiny particles and penetrating rays. Basements are best, followed by interior rooms with no windows. If you are in a tall tower, it's probably best to be on a midlevel floor, in a room close to the center of the building with no windows. You will need to stay there for several days at least, so your temporary shelter should be prestocked with food, water, radio, flashlights, and a makeshift toilet. Ideally, radio messages would begin soon after the explosion to instruct people about the nature and direction of the fallout and whether and how to evacuate. (Those interested in more thorough preparation can go here.)

"This would not be the end of the world," nuclear expert Charles Ferguson emphasized to me as we talked through the sequence of post-atomic events. "We can deal with this kind of horrific attack, and a little preparation can go a long way to increasing your chances of survival." It's a shocking, unnerving reality that one can rationally prepare for a nuclear blast. But all it really takes is a trip to the grocery store, a few clicks on the Internet, and short conversations with your boss and your wife.

I know that most of you would sooner shop for your own casket than stock up on post-nuclear groceries. The great paradox of surviving nuclear terrorism is that probably the most excruciating part is confronting it emotionally, tearing your psyche away from the much more comfortable (and widely assumed) scenario of annihilation. Ask any New Yorker about a nuclear attack and the first thing you'll hear is, "Why dwell on it? I'll be dead." No one wants to hear the muckier truth of likely survival. If confronted, people jerk back with the response, "I'd kill myself." But you wouldn't. A few survivors might, but that's just not what humans do in the face of catastrophe. Ask Elie Wiesel or Viktor Frankl. We've got this annoying survival instinct. You would want to live. You would want to help your family. You would want to help others. You would want to rebuild your life.

Why not face that reality now, in advance? Yes, it's uncomfortable. But an hour or two of preparation might mean the difference between complete misery and relative safety. No one is suggesting a life-altering obsession—Lord knows I'm looking forward to thinking about something else—only that you spend about as much time preparing for this awful unlikelihood as you already have for other awful unlikelihoods. None of us expect to get cancer or watch our house burn to cinders, but we buy health, life, and home insurance just in case. We prepare for the worst and then forget about it. Why not apply that same principle to acts of God or Bin Laden?

Maybe you won't, but I will. Someone has to start the trend. To survey my survival gear options, I paid a visit to Safer America, a disaster-preparedness supply shop on East 54th Street in Manhattan.

General manager Jonathan Elkoubi was waiting inside, ready to show me how, since 9/11, he has helped families and corporations prepare for the next 9/11. His showroom is a survivalist's paradise, stocked with everything from smoke hoods and particle masks to earthquake alarms and skyscraper escape parachutes. ("I'm not going to name any names," he said, "but you'd be shocked by the CEOs who buy these parachutes for their own personal use and buy nothing for anyone else even on their own floor.")

At the end of the full tour, we came to the pièces de résistance: the new, lightweight Demron™ torso vest and full-body radiation suit. For $688 and $1,200, respectively, not only will you effortlessly beat back most ionizing rays—you'll look damned good doing it.

Maybe that's how we turn urbanites around on nuclear preparedness. We make it chic.

Click here for the essential survival shopping list. Next: How to survive an earthquake

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This wasn't the three days to a nuclear attack...I'll try and find it.. Maybe it has better info
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 Hi HC, the artical was posted here on how to survive, and I think it was also on MSNBC web site , my DD saw it too. roxy
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Originally posted by vstr vstr wrote:

You can go to the CBS website and it should have the show to watch on computer if you did not get to see it.
 
  I didn't get to see the season premeire....So i watch it on CBS website.
I'm hooked and if I nuclear bomb come my way I'm in big trouble.
 
Thanks for the tip about the website...I also missed survivor thursday and I also watched that tonight.
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