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Long Covid: UK over 2 million

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    Posted: June 23 2021 at 10:24pm

Quote A survey of half a million adults in England suggests around two million people may have had some long-lasting symptoms after having coronavirus - sometimes known as "long Covid".

The React study shows about a third of people who report they have coronavirus symptoms have one or more symptoms that persist for at least 12 weeks.

UK is currently reporting 4,667,870 cases (and 128,027 deaths), so the estimate of 2 million long-covid sufferers is a huge amount. Even if covid is stopped in its tracks it will continue to extract a huge cost from those already damaged by it.


Like deaths which hit older people hard, long-covid seems to be age related

Quote another study conducted by University College London and King's College London found one in six middle-aged people who reported being infected with coronavirus said they had long Covid symptoms.  

This fell to one in 13 among younger adults.

Article: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57584295

Current stats:https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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Yes, but 1 in 13 for younger folk is bad enough.

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In my case it's more like 1in 5  or 6.  If you are in the ICU  the chances of getting long covid is higher.  I am still in a fog or daze sometimes.   


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Possible blood test for some of Long Covid.

Quote Scientists say they have detected irregularities in the blood of long Covid patients that could one day pave the way for a test for the condition.

Imperial College London researchers found a pattern of rogue antibodies in the blood of a small number of people with long Covid.

They hope it could lead to a simple blood test within six to 18 months.


This estimate is about half of the one in the first post, but still it is a high figure representing 1.4% of the population having long Covid at any one time.   Also 0,56% have had it for more than one year.  This is a huge health cost to any nation.

Quote An estimated 962,000 people in the UK had long Covid in the four weeks up to 4 June, according to data from the Office for National Statistics.

And around 385,000 people in the UK are estimated to have been suffering with symptoms for more than a year.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57776010

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So here is a posting I saw on Facebook's group for Covid long-haulers, Coronavirus Survivor Corps.  I caution you, this is Facebook, so you may want to adjust your expectations accordingly, but the author does describe a protocol they and their doctor were using, as well as a possible causation of Long Covid.  Josh, you may be interested in this because the Dr. has the patient on Ivermectin, as well as another drug for a synergistic boost.  I would be curious to know what Chuck may think of both the theory of causation posited here, and the regimen the patient was put on.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/2484236165172170/permalink/2832122310383552/

And here is a story that piggybacked off the first one:

https://m.facebook.com/groups/2484236165172170/permalink/2835546600041123/

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ViQueen24-looks like the Facebook-link is members only. But both facebook and twitter (I follow https://twitter.com/DrEricDing -good info !) have a lot of info.

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Try this, Josh:

And then the piggyback:

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dutch Josh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2021 at 4:32am

Good info (via ctrl+)...Since the Delta variant is now out of control we may need all the possible cures we can think of...

[url]https://twitter.com/DrEricDing[/url] or https://twitter.com/DrEricDing DJ-UK and NL situation may become "that bad" hospitals can not handle it any longer..."worse case scenario's" . In NL the R0 went up to 2,17...If you look at the Delta variant in NL it is allready 2,52 (and exploding...). When you would also look more specific at Delta variant in 20-24 y/o age group I would not be surprised the R0 would be between 6 and 8...

In many Dutch cities last week between 0,5 and almost 1 % (Groningen) tested positive for Covid last week. Main cause is june 26 reopening government crime...

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[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.11.21258690v2[/url] or https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.11.21258690v2

There is strong evidence for brain-related pathologies in COVID-19, some of which could be a consequence of viral neurotropism. The vast majority of brain imaging studies so far have focused on qualitative, gross pathology of moderate to severe cases, often carried out on hospitalised patients. It remains unknown however whether the impact of COVID-19 can be detected in milder cases, in a quantitative and automated manner, and whether this can reveal a possible mechanism for the spread of the disease. 

UK Biobank scanned over 40,000 participants before the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, making it possible to invite back in 2021 hundreds of previously-imaged participants for a second imaging visit. 

Here, we studied the effects of the disease in the brain using multimodal data from 782 participants from the UK Biobank COVID-19 re-imaging study, with 394 participants having tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 infection between their two scans. 

We used structural and functional brain scans from before and after infection, to compare longitudinal brain changes between these 394 COVID-19 patients and 388 controls who were matched for age, sex, ethnicity and interval between scans. 

We identified significant effects of COVID-19 in the brain with a loss of grey matter in the left parahippocampal gyrus, the left lateral orbitofrontal cortex and the left insula. When looking over the entire cortical surface, these results extended to the anterior cingulate cortex, supramarginal gyrus and temporal pole. We further compared COVID-19 patients who had been hospitalised (n=15) with those who had not (n=379), and while results were not significant, we found comparatively similar findings to the COVID-19 vs control group comparison, with, in addition, a greater loss of grey matter in the cingulate cortex, central nucleus of the amygdala and hippocampal cornu ammonis (all |Z|>3). 

Our findings thus consistently relate to loss of grey matter in limbic cortical areas directly linked to the primary olfactory and gustatory system. Unlike in post hoc disease studies, the availability of pre-infection imaging data helps avoid the danger of pre-existing risk factors or clinical conditions being mis-interpreted as disease effects. Since a possible entry point of the virus to the central nervous system might be via the olfactory mucosa and the olfactory bulb, these brain imaging results might be the in vivo hallmark of the spread of the disease (or the virus itself) via olfactory and gustatory pathways.

DJ These kind of studies should "limit" claims that "long Covid" is a "mental disorder"...allthough mistreating patients can result in depression on top of long Covid. 

Findings in these kind of studies may be of interest on how to look at ME-CFS, chronic Q-fever and other infections, Lyme-disease. 

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While fewer (in ratio terms) young adults are admitted to hospital for covid-19

Quote Younger adults admitted to hospital with Covid are almost as likely to suffer from complications as those over 50 years old, a study has found.

Four in 10 of those between 19 and 49 developed problems with their kidneys, lungs or other organs while treated.


The age gradient is not so steep as it is in the death rate

Quote Overall, around half of all adult patients suffered a least one complication during their hospital stay. The most common was a kidney injury, followed by lung and heart damage.

The highest rates were in those over 50 years old, with 51% reporting at least one problem. But they were also "very common" in younger age groups. Some 37% of 30 to 39 year olds and 44% of 40 to 49 year olds had at least one complication recorded by nurses and medical students involved in the study.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57840825

Even if there was a magic wand to make transmission stop today, we will be living with the effect for the next generation of two.

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UK announces funding for 15 new studies on Long Covid.   For me the number of studies indicated both the scale (number of people affected) and the wide range of symptoms. 

Note for Josh: one of the studies "will test whether everyday medicines such as aspirin and anti-histamines can help people recover"


https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57869427.

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Originally posted by EdwinSm, EdwinSm, wrote:

 one of the studies "will test whether everyday medicines such as aspirin and anti-histamines can help people recover"


That figures; with the huge amount of sufferers, we probably can't afford anything more fancy.

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