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carbon20
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Posted: September 13 2020 at 8:11pm |
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The Independent: ‘This may most shameful moment in history of US science policy’: Science journal editor launches attack on Trump over coronavirus. |
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carbon20
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I wonder when I see these anti-maskers,if they would insist a surgeon wore a mask when operating on them 🤔🙄?? |
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They'd wear them if it was announced that Covid will make them sterile or impotent... |
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WitchMisspelled
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Blah..blah..blah... skewed facts don't make it so... |
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Anthony Fauci on Wednesday said he doesn't think President Trump was publicly distorting the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic. During an interview with Fox News's John Roberts, Fauci said Trump's public press conferences in the early spring mostly echoed what members of the White House coronavirus task force were telling him in private. "I didn't see any discrepancies between what he told us and what we told him and what he ultimately came out publicly and said," Fauci, the country's top infectious diseases expert and head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said. "He really didn't say anything different than we discussed when we were with him," Fauci said. During the interview, Fauci stressed that he was speaking about his own conversations and interactions with the president. "Remember, I'm a small frame in the big picture of what goes on," Fauci said. Fauci acknowledged that Trump would "want to make sure the country wouldn't get down and out about things," but added, "I don't recall anything that was a gross distortion in anything I spoke to him about." |
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Careful your misandry is showing. |
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WitchMisspelled
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Spare me your narcissistic condescension and save it for someone who's easily fooled. Misandry is the new word of the day on Facebook? You're not known to use such big words. Besides you're using it wrong. In an effort to insult me, you've misapplied the word. |
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I just ran a small experiment on the internet to find out the current scientific thinking on masks. I simply imput the words masks, science and cloth into the search engine. After I had removed the opinion pieces and other entries without any science backing, I was left with these links: Mayo Clinic: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449 pro mask, with qualifications Oxford University: https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-07-08-oxford-covid-19-study-face-masks-and-coverings-work-act-now pro mask - from demographics centre studies. Science Daily: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200526115044.htm pro mask with qualifications and https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200825113635.htm still pro mask with further qualifications, update. CDC: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article pro mask Stamford Medicine News Desk: https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/06/stanford-scientists-contribute-to-who-mask-guidelines.html pro mask BMJ https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577 Anti mask - if cloth - pro surgical mask use. University of California: https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent pro mask. Not a full meta-analysis, but it shows the trends adequately. This was everything on the first page of results. You can always find someone who will disagree, even among scientists. Occasionally the outlier is correct, but not often at all. Usually there is either a vested interest for the outlier or a psychological problem. Different types of masks provide different levels of protection, although most of the protection is for other persons, not the wearer. They DO limit disease spread within communities, there is a firm scientific concensus on this. However, they do not prevent infection, but they limit the amount of infections transmitted (effectively lowering the R0). They are a valuable tool in epidemic control, but not a magic bullet to prevent spread. The science on this does not care about your feelings either. |
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WitchMisspelled
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No, no. Just you. But we could ask the men and see what they have to say. But then I'd have to go into how only insecure boys accuse women of such things and why. |
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Fox and the grapes (Aesop's Fables). - Because they can't get one! |
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Misandry (/mɪˈsændri/) is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against men or boys in general. Misandry may be manifested in numerous ways, including social exclusion, sex discrimination, hostility, gynocentrism, belittling of men, violence against men, and sexual objectification. misandry, misandriaAnd it was your choice of going to sexual conditions, sterility and more specifically the impotent comment that gave it away. There were many, many other medical conditions as choices you could have used to make your point that were gender neutral and applied to both sexes, yet you choose to use a specific male condition and a sexual male condition at that. Very telling. You really are not hard to figure out, in fact you outed yourself. I suspected as much given a few of your previous comments. |
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Are Face Masks Effective? The Evidence.Published: July 30, 2020; Updated: September 9, 2020 An overview of the current evidence regarding the effectiveness of face masks. 1. Studies on the effectiveness of face masksSo far, most studies found little to no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth face masks in the general population, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control.
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2. Studies claiming face masks are effectiveSome recent studies argued that cloth face masks are indeed effective against the new coronavirus and could at least prevent the infection of other people. However, most of these studies suffer from poor methodology and sometimes show the opposite of what they claim. Typically, these studies ignore the effect of other measures, the natural development of infection numbers, changes in test activity, or they compare countries with very different conditions. An overview:
3. Risks associated with face masksWearing masks for a prolonged period of time is not harmless, as the following evidence shows:
ConclusionCloth face masks in the general population might be effective, at least in some circumstances, but there is currently little to no evidence supporting this proposition. If the SARS-2 virus is indeed transmitted via indoor aerosols, cloth masks are unlikely to be protective. Health authorities should therefore not assume or suggest that cloth face masks will reduce the rate or risk of infection. |
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You are still being very personal AI. |
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How do you tell if a politician is lying?
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Mind you, I was addressing Carbon's comments, not AI. Seems AI and my comments were submitted simultaneously. So... AI went after me. Not I him. |
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carbon20
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That's odd I've just seen the head of the CDC saying a mask is probably better than a vaccine.. then you have the SNAKE OIL REAL ESTATE CLOWN, saying Robert was mistaken.... Robert wasn'tt he just not repeating the clowns lies...... Biggest FAILURE IN HISTORY....... CANT DENY THAT...... 200,000 dead..... |
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Since we have no approved vaccines, we don't know the efficacy of any vaccines. But even if we get a vaccine that has a 50% efficacy right out of the gate, a surgical mask has above 75% protection. Other than that, even if a vaccine is announced by November/December, the likelihood is you and I won't get vaccinated until Autumn of 2022. |
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WitchMisspelled
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Yeah, Carbon, but what are the chances that we'll have a vaccine with 70% efficacy right out of the gate? |
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A vaccine won't be available till fall next year if ever...... And I won't be taking it even though I believe in vaccinations Best wear a mask........lol The Associated Press: Gulf between White House's words, Trump's actions on masks. |
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WitchMisspelled
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That's the other thing, Carbon. Even if a vaccine is developed by the end of this year, it won't be widely available to the public until autumn 2021. There's a hierarchy of those that come first. Government workers, emergency workers, healthcare workers, then I imagine (or hope) the most vulnerable. Then comes the rest of us. So yes. Wear a mask. And quit contact lenses. I'll be posting an article on that study in a few moments. |
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Can you really see a educated health worker ,taking an unproven vaccine? I'm a dumb ass, And there's no way I will LMAO Take care, stay safe, 😷😉 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain%E2%80%93Barr%C3%A9_syndrome#Causes |
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Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖
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That reminds me of the swine flu, but the time I could get the vaccination the pandemic was almost over. Now as I have aged I am higher up in the priority list! |
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It happens to the best of us, Edwin! |
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