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Dutch vaccination plan lagging behind

Vaccinations in Germany will begin the day after Christmas, but the Dutch will have to wait until January for their shots. But criticisms have arisen of the hesitant and slow decision making by the Dutch government. Hanco Jürgens of the German Institute of the University of Amsterdam commented that he believes the Netherlands will only really be ready for mass vaccination by March.



While the Netherlands lag behind their neighbours regarding vaccination strategies, systems for tracking vaccinations are also only expected to be ready around March. The Dutch government plan to link vaccinations to DigiD accounts. A downloadable vaccination certificate will be available for you once you log in. But, as mentioned, this system is only expected to be ready three months after the first vaccinations in the Netherlands.

https://dutchreview.com/news/coronavirus-news/coronavirus-update-shocking-jump-in-weekly-infections-across-the-netherlands/

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DJ [url]https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1341712027409117185[/url] or https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1341712027409117185

The Netherlands, Sweden, and the United States are world leaders in Covid-19 cases per population.

We can thank countries that allowed the virus to run rampant for gifting the world new mutations

-In roling 7 day average...using [url]https://ourworldindata.org/[/url] or https://ourworldindata.org/ 

Virologist Marianne Koopmans is asking for double testing for people coming from the UK or SA-to at least try to keep mutated virusses out...(our "government" does not see a need to do so...in polls the right wing conservative-liberals even get more support...

[url]https://dutchreview.com/coronavirus/fast-spreading-variant-coronavirus-amsterdam/[/url] or https://dutchreview.com/coronavirus/fast-spreading-variant-coronavirus-amsterdam/

Two more people in the Netherlands have tested positive for the new, fast-spreading variant of coronavirus. Both cases were found in Amsterdam. One person had recently been to the United Kingdom, the other had not.

This is following Sunday’s news that the new variant of coronavirus was found in one person in the Netherlands. The Minister for Health, Hugo De Jonge, has told the NOS that an investigation will be launched into how the two people may have contracted the mutated strain.

Entry ban

On Sunday, it was announced that the Netherlands would impose an entry ban on travellers from the United Kingdom. This meant that anyone looking to come to the Netherlands from the UK would not be allowed to enter the country, resident or not.

A similar measure was brought in for South African flight passengers on Monday. However, the government has now announced that EU citizens who are travelling from both the UK and South Africa and who can show a recent negative coronavirus test result, will now be allowed to enter the Netherlands.

No need for extra measures

De Jonge tells the NOS that he does not believe stricter measures are necessary for the Netherlands. Instead, he says that people need to continue to stick by the current measures.



“It’s not that easy to come up with something on top of that, the current set should be enough if we just stick to the rules very well.”

Jump in numbers

The new variant of coronavirus is not the Netherlands’ only problem. Coronavirus numbers have seen a significant jump this past week with 82,340 people testing positive for the virus. The previous week, that number stood at 58,412.

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DJ-The Dutch disaster is unfolding...Some seem to believe the "UK variant" in fact is from NL "but we've missed it"...

The Dutch CDC-RIVM [url]https://www.rivm.nl/en/news/spread-of-uk-coronavirus-variant-in-netherlands[/url] or https://www.rivm.nl/en/news/spread-of-uk-coronavirus-variant-in-netherlands is going for crowd control claiming there is no evidence the UK variant is widespread. "They hope the lockdown worked" " Coming days are essential to see effects of the lockdown"..."Not yet certain UK variant is more infectious" 

DJ-I have to stay polite...Dutch MSM report "less cases"   NOT "less testing"  ! [url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/28/covid-infections-plunge-18-fewer-get-tested-icu-total-sets-new-peak[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/28/covid-infections-plunge-18-fewer-get-tested-icu-total-sets-new-peak with hospital cases pushing care over its limits/capacity...[url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/11-cases-of-infectious-british-covid-strain-identified-in-the-netherlands/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/11-cases-of-infectious-british-covid-strain-identified-in-the-netherlands/ NL is now at #19 in the worldometer list of cases-we will get over 1 million cases mid january (DJ) on a population of just over 17 million...(Increasing ICU capacity is getting impossible due to staff shortages not forseen by our "government". Non-Covid care is only available in urgent-life saving-cases...for now. DJ-Proberbly early next month care is running out of capacity...) 

The "boss" of the RIVM-not taking any responsibility for shortage of PPE in care centers during spring, a lack of testing for staff of care centers [url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/28/care-workers-annoyed-rivm-linked-nursing-home-covid-outbreaks-education-level[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/28/care-workers-annoyed-rivm-linked-nursing-home-covid-outbreaks-education-level DJ-Basicly the head of the Dutch CDC is saying staff in carecenters "are stupid" and the cause of many deaths....

With our rightwing government putting all responsibilities to "safetyregions", manicupilities, carecenters and the general public it is shocking they get away with their total failure in dealing with this pandemic....

Vaccinations will start-on a small scale-january 8th-most of the rest TEN days later....[url]https://twitter.com/AlexanderNL/status/1343577038721052673/photo/1[/url] or https://twitter.com/AlexanderNL/status/1343577038721052673/photo/1 (almost A MONTH !!! behind the UK !!!)

Some good news from NL; Utrecht Medical Center will participate in testing the German CureVac-vaccine [url]https://www.curevac.com/en/covid-19#clinical-studies[/url] or https://www.curevac.com/en/covid-19#clinical-studies 


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For the [url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/30/uk-coronavirus-strain-found-school-rotterdam-area-teacher-38-died[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/30/uk-coronavirus-strain-found-school-rotterdam-area-teacher-38-died see "new variants". 

DJ All other EU countries have started vaccinations...In NL-with hospitalcare at breaking point-the government still needs to find people to do the vaccinations, has to decide on wich group will get when vaccinated...

The worst part of this bizarre story is the main government party is GAINING in polls...as if Trump in the US would win the elections because he messed up in dealing with the pandemic...only NL is doing even worse....(Is this a "land of lunatics" by now ???)

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/29/covid-hospital-total-sets-new-second-wave-peak-patients-admitted-since-mar-30[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/29/covid-hospital-total-sets-new-second-wave-peak-patients-admitted-since-mar-30 ;

Hospitals in the Netherlands were treating 2,751 people for Covid-19 on Tuesday, the most on any single day since the first half of April. The patient total was 20 percent higher than just one week ago, putting the Netherlands on pace to have well over three thousand patients in treatment by January 5.

During the 24 hours leading up to Tuesday afternoon, hospitals admitted 430 more coronavirus patients, eclipsing any other day going back to March 30, data from both the LCPS and NICE showed. That figure was 44 percent higher than the seven-day moving average of 299.


“The number of COVID patients rose above the highest level from the second wave in early November during the past 24 hours," confirmed Ernst Kuipers, the head of the Dutch acute care providers network.

Also over the past day, 72 Covid-19 patients were moved into intensive care, 47 percent more than the moving average of 49. The Dutch government wants this figure to be no higher than ten in order to comfortably relax social restrictions in place from October, which were then tightened in December.

DJ-Hospitals, care centers are calling for help from the military, the fire dept. Even stopping almost critical non-covid care...(including cancer, hearthdisease..) (In a few places  (Bunschoten, Barneveld a.o.) in NL over 1% of the population tested positive for Covid19 last week )

This report is from dec 22 [url]https://dutchreview.com/news/coronavirus-news/coronavirus-update-shocking-jump-in-weekly-infections-across-the-netherlands/[/url] or https://dutchreview.com/news/coronavirus-news/coronavirus-update-shocking-jump-in-weekly-infections-across-the-netherlands/ 

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/29/13-thousand-deaths-2020-predicted[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/29/13-thousand-deaths-2020-predictedOver 162 thousand people died in the Netherlands through the first 51 weeks of the year. That total was 13 thousand higher, or about 9 percent more, than expected.

DJ-Highest number of excess deaths since end of war in 1945...[url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/crucial-operations-under-threat-as-coronavirus-spreads-through-hospitals/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/crucial-operations-under-threat-as-coronavirus-spreads-through-hospitals/ 

The UK variant (UKV) may have been around in NL since november-or earlier (or even started in NL-mink related ?) it must be widespread. The 40 Covid19 cases in a cluster in the Rotterdam region last month-with 5 UKV and a teacher (F-38) dead (from the infection ?) are a clear indication for that. 

Like in the UK in NL the "UKV" will get dominant soon in NL. Early investigation-by larger scale testing of samples-may give some retrospective insight. 

[url]https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/current-information[/url] or https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/current-information gives an "unclear picture" hospital/ICU cases going up-positive tests down. Most likely christmas did mean less testing (and more spread) also closing schools may have given lower numbers in the younger age group. The cases of Covid19 in care centers is almost at the peak-and may go over-the spring peak. 

Since we are (supposed to be) in a strict lockdown with non-essential shops closed, gyms, pools, even barbers closed...extra measures are "hard" and may have limited effect. Curfews...Maintaining present rules is almost impossible..like in healthcare, police has "limited capacity" due to Covid-cases and spending cuts...

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End of january we may end up in a "black scenario". Since hospitals can not deal any longer with all the cases some patients will be send away (DJ-often to die..).

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/30/dutch-medical-experts-ask-government-postpone-reopening-schools[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/30/dutch-medical-experts-ask-government-postpone-reopening-schools

In a letter to the Cabinet on Tuesday titled “Playing with fire”, the Red Team, an independent group of medical experts and scientists, strongly advised the government to reconsider opening schools back up in mid-January. The schools were closed when the Cabinet ordered a hard lockdown earlier this month as coronavirus cases sharply escalated.

The organization believes that if schools were to reopen while the number of infections has not yet gone down, an “exponential spread” of the virus will occur. The doctors are particularly concerned because new mutations of the virus, such as those found primarily in South Africa and the United Kingdom.


“The new variants are almost certainly more infectious than the dominant variant in the Netherlands”, so Red Team. A preliminary report conducted by the Imperial College in London, states that the new variant is especially contagious amongst children under the ages of 15. Research has shown that the UK variant is about 70 percent more contagious than what is most prevalent in the Netherlands.

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/30/dutch-coronavirus-total-jumps-26-christmas-break-icu-total-tops-700[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/30/dutch-coronavirus-total-jumps-26-christmas-break-icu-total-tops-700 

DJ-The november Rotterdam-area school outbreak may have had over 9 UK variant cases..The UK variant (could be from Italy-good info !) is spreading all over the globe...

It will be a "big job" to get any grip on this pandemic (lots of restrictions, increase caccinations..)

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DJ-In NL a [url]https://petities.nl/petitions/begin-maandag-met-vaccineren-ziekenhuispersoneel/signatures/19653522?locale=en[/url] or https://petities.nl/petitions/begin-maandag-met-vaccineren-ziekenhuispersoneel/signatures/19653522?locale=en has started to get people in hospitals vaccinated from monday-january 4. 

The vaccines are there, the capacity to vaccinate is there. There are enough vaccines to also vaccinate those working in care centers. "Politics" is giving people in care centers priority-those working in hospitals may have to wait till summer...

In the meantime hospital care is "at breaking point" in NL "politics" did get that much "out of contact with reality" they seem to be unable to get the urgency...

DJ-Since "social pressure" was growing (exploding) the Dutch "government" has given in to the demand of hospital staff of being included in the first round of vaccinations...(the petition-started by a 12 year old-most likely did increase pressure. Our "government" likes to put the blame on others...people  get fed up with this bunch..)

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/02/hospitals-dire-need-hundreds-nurses[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/02/hospitals-dire-need-hundreds-nurses

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[url]https://www.maurice.nl/2020/08/30/is-there-a-unique-dutch-covid-19-variant/[/url] or https://www.maurice.nl/2020/08/30/is-there-a-unique-dutch-covid-19-variant/ Dutch politics/experts tend to only look at Dutch numbers and data...ignore findings from other countries. 

We had no mandatory masks till a few months ago-NL the only country claiming it had no added value. There also was supposed to be no virus spread via children...all other virusses did spread via children but for some magic reason Covid19 did not-at least in NL...

Still we have no mandatory quarantine-even when around 20% of people testing positive go to the supermarket...There still is a lot of (air) travel-our government "strongly advises against it".. that picture did not change with 2 to 5% of all recent cases being the UK variant, some isolated SA variant cases in NL or close to the border showed up as well. And we do have a very open border with lots of traffic..The Dutch "strategy" is to keep the R0 just below 1 so "the economy will not get so much damage"-that strategy is destroying the economy because every reopening gets the R0 above 1...still the insanity goes on....

[url]https://coronadashboard.government.nl/[/url] or https://coronadashboard.government.nl/ Yes there is-for now-a decline of cases due to the lockdown. [url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/01/dutch-extend-lockdown-look-into-curfew-to-contain-british-variant/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/01/dutch-extend-lockdown-look-into-curfew-to-contain-british-variant/ Yes the Dutch government knows from the UK variant-but learning from the UK (and Ireland, Israel) seems to be impossible...

Right wing governments in the US, UK, NL, Brazil, Japan may be the motors behind this pandemic "saving the economy". In NL several billions went to KLM airlines, but HCWers could not get an increase in their low wages...

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/13/clarity-allowance-scandal-consequences-dutch-govt-friday-dutch-pm[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/13/clarity-allowance-scandal-consequences-dutch-govt-friday-dutch-pm Friday we may even see this government resign due to another scandal..there will be elections-is the plan-march 17. 

DJ-I am not neutral-in my opinion neo-liberalism is destructive. I think "our" "liberal conservatives" (vvd) is a white wash/tax fraud criminal organization also funded by Royal Dutch Shell...Political parties have a hard job getting funded, if you are "close to major companies" interests can easily get mixed. 

Since political parties claim they want to control democracy it is often hard to control political parties. Some are against being open on where they get their money from..."for privacy reasons". There is a struggle in wich organized crime is trying to get more grip on political parties-not all parties are even willing to stop that...

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"Our" government has fallen. This is an article about modern fascism. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FascismFascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-rightauthoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy

Some of the characteristics of modern fascism did not change since a 100 years ago. Anti intelectualism, links with large companies (oil, banks, weapons) are still seen in modern fascism. DJ-While it is clear trump, bolsenaro have many "signs"of fascism here in NL it may be less clear. 

It may be hard to keep "right wing populism" and "fascism" apart. Yet when you look at how countries like the US, UK, NL, Brazil are dealing with the present pandemic there are some alarming signals. They all went for "herd immunity"-still seek a balance in "saving the economy" and "protecting the vulnarable"-if the R0 is <1 it is the economy reopening, of course that brings the R0 >1...so "protection" is the claim...

Here in NL [url]https://dutchreview.com/news/press-conference-the-dutch-cabinet-has-fallen/[/url] or https://dutchreview.com/news/press-conference-the-dutch-cabinet-has-fallen/

What was the scandal?

The childcare allowance scandal was the catalyst in this coalition’s collapse. What exactly happened here?

Parents in the Netherlands are usually granted allowances in order to cover the cost of daycare. However, following the release of a report titled, “Unprecedented Justice” last month, the Dutch government has been in hot water.

The report found that more than 20,000 working class parents in the Netherlands had been wrongly accused of fraud by the tax office. These parents were asked to pay back thousands of euros to the tax office, after it concluded that some form of fraud had been carried out.

However, in reality, many of these parents had not committed any fraud and were entitled to the allowances they had been initially granted.

Significant number of dual nationality parents

Of the 20,000 families who were wrongly chased down for fraud, 11,000 of those parents were found to be of dual-nationality. This is something that the tax authority has admitted following accusations of racial profiling.


For years, the tax office would not grant any appeals made by the families affected. As a result, some parents were forced to move homes in order to cover the costs.

The government believe the matter at hand is a political one, not criminal and so those involved in chasing these families will not be criminally prosecuted for the time being.

The government has now answered for this massive failure, one that Rutte acknowledged himself: “It is obvious that we didn’t live up to our standards or protect the citizens from the tax office.”

DJ-Still Rutte wants to be the next PM...While the "right wing liberal-conservative" agenda ment less tax money went to public transport, public housing, public education and public healthcare NL became even more a [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_haven[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_haven . "We" did sign climate agreements-only to break them...

In a Dutch article [url]https://www.groene.nl/artikel/kroniek-van-een-jeune-premier[/url] or https://www.groene.nl/artikel/kroniek-van-een-jeune-premier it is made clear why  right wing populist parties did not get that large in NL-our "liberal conservative" VVD [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Party_for_Freedom_and_Democracy[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Party_for_Freedom_and_Democracy managed to take that role. 

Trump, "BoJo", bolsenaro (but also Marcos-family sponsored Duterte in the Philippines and many others) may be described as "right wing populist"leaders. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Rutte[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Rutte is "smooth", "slick"-always friendly, charming, smiling...

Maybe the way they deal with the pandemic may make clear where the dividing line is between "right wing populism" and "fascism". 

Conservative countries often want to keep a good healthcare-most of the voters for conservative-often religious based-parties are older-they need those hospitals. Housing for the elderly, pensions are well organized. 

In countries with "the other sort of conservatism" there are spending cuts on these facilities. These "conservative" parties "do everything for bussinesses"-in their view, "morale" not only the main-but only-measurement of succes. 

Retrospection, evaluation of goals and means are a dirty word-the stocks exchanges tell the story...The "succesfull businessman"is the model-all others are "lesser humans"...There is a strong link between "Black Lives Matter" and this-man-made-pandemic. 

The [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movementThe Occupy movement is an international progressive socio-political movement that expresses opposition to social and economic inequality and to the lack of "real democracy" around the world. It aims primarily to advance social and economic justice and new forms of democracy.

was a clear, early sign. 

This pandemic is man-made, "herd immunity" still is the strategy-even if this means killing millions of people...

Old fascism had its concentration camps till the 50's in Spain under "anti communist"franco. Newer forms of-military-fascism did dump political prisoners out of airplanes into the ocean. People simply "went missing". There was a strong cold war link, anti communism linked scum as pinochet with "decent western leaders" as reagan and tatcher. Both supported apartheid in South Africa, did support all kind of fascist "resistence" groups like the contra's in Nicaragua-killing small farmers with knives provided by the CIA. 

The newer form of fascism is involved in endless oil wars-in the mean time ignoring climate collapse...One may ask what the future of this pandemic will bring . "Never waiste a good crisis" [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_DoctrineThe Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism is a 2007 book by the Canadian author and social activist Naomi Klein. In the book, Klein argues that neoliberal free market policies (as advocated by the economist Milton Friedman) have risen to prominence in some developed countries because of a deliberate strategy of "shock therapy". This centers on the exploitation of national crises (disasters or upheavals) to establish controversial and questionable policies, while citizens are too distracted (emotionally and physically) to engage and develop an adequate response, and resist effectively. The book suggests that some man-made events, such as the Iraq War, were undertaken with the intention of pushing through such unpopular policies in their wake.

In many ways "the future is a continuation of the past". I leave it upon the reader how to name "our new democracy" with 0,1% of the people almost claiming they owne half the world-including main stream media and funding most political parties...

If we want this pandemic to end-and not be misused-WE have to act ! "Saving the economy" by going into "further debts" towards an already way to powerfull elite has nothing to do with civilization or law and order-but is a basic contradiction of that. 

"Our"governments do not work for us since they are not paid by us...Do we want a 1984 distopia or do we want democracy ? Do we want to survive or die in a man-made pandemic ? 

DJ-Please comment ! Do I see ghosts ? Is there some point in this ? 

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[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/904598-dutch-government-to-introduce-first-curfew-since-world-war-ii[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/904598-dutch-government-to-introduce-first-curfew-since-world-war-ii

Dutch government to introduce first curfew since World War II


AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The Dutch government is set to add the first nationwide curfew since World War II to its already broad lockdown on Wednesday in a bid to limit the spread of new coronavirus mutations in the Netherlands, broadcaster RTL said.

The curfew would allow only people with pressing needs to leave their homes between 8:30 p.m. and 4:30 a.m. local time as of Friday night, RTL said, citing government sources.

Schools and non-essential shops have already been closed since mid-December, following the shutdown of bars and restaurants two months earlier.

This lockdown will remain in place until at least Feb. 9, Prime Minister Mark Rutte said last week.

-[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/20/rutte-curfew-undesirable-needed-netherlands-ban-flights-uk[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/20/rutte-curfew-undesirable-needed-netherlands-ban-flights-uk ;

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte announced plans to impose a curfew on the Netherlands from 8:30 p.m. through 4:30 a.m. starting on Friday. The new restrictions proposed on Wednesday also include making those who fly to the Netherlands take a rapid antigen test to further determine if they are infected with the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus, a ban on all flights and ferries from the United Kingdom, passenger flights from South Africa, Suriname and parts of South America, and a maximum of one guest aged 13 or older allowed in a household per day. 

"We are getting out from under this, but first we have to brace ourselves again, now that more contagious variants are coming our way," Rutte said during a press conference with outgoing Health Minister Hugo de Jonge. He was referring to coronavirus mutations like those which have caused surging numbers of infections in the United Kingdom and South Africa.  "The experts are warning of a third wave, and we must take that seriously."

Rutte continued, "The OMT's advice is clear. Do the maximum now, so that we will be ready for what is yet to come."

The outgoing Cabinet will debate the curfew restrictions in Parliament on Thursday. Moments before the press conference, it was not clear if Rutte had support from a majority of MPs to get the curfew approved. With the curfew being a controversial issue, the exiting prime minister opted to try and win over parliamentarians instead of initially attempting to force the curfew through.

DJ-If we had this worldwide ten months ago we would not have been in this pandemic..

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Of course I have my own political (left wing) views still trying to make some sense for the Dutch situation-wich mirrors the situation in lots of countries...

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scandal[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scandal

The Dutch childcare benefits scandal (Dutchkinderopvangtoeslagaffaire or toeslagenaffairelit. '[childcare] benefits affair') is a political scandal in the Netherlands concerning false allegations of fraud made by the Tax and Customs Administration while attempting to regulate the distribution of childcare benefits.[1][2] Between 2013 and 2019, authorities wrongly accused an estimated 26,000 parents of making fraudulent benefit claims, requiring them to pay back the allowances they had received in their entirety.[1][3] In many cases, this sum amounted to tens of thousands of euros, driving families into severe financial hardship.[1][2]

The scandal was brought to public attention in September 2018. Investigators have subsequently described the working procedure of the Tax and Customs Administration as "discriminatory" and filled with "institutional bias".[4][5] On 15 January 2021, two months before the 2021 general election, the third Rutte cabinet resigned over the scandal following a parliamentary inquiry into the matter, which concluded that "fundamental principles of the rule of law" had been violated.[1][2][6]

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When the Tax and Customs Administration suspected seriously culpable acts, the Dutch bureaucracy would mark the involved parents with the label "Deliberate intent/Gross negligence" (DutchOpzet/Grove schuld). Individuals who had received this label were no longer eligible for standard debt collection arrangements. Under the standard arrangement, debtors repay their debt as much as possible over a two year period (without falling below subsistence level) and any debt remaining after that period would then be considered irrecoverable. Because parents were not eligible for such a payment plan, they became heavily indebted.[21] Later investigations showed that 96% of the "Deliberate intent/Gross negligence" qualifications had been inaccurate.

In November 2020, State Secretary for Finance Alexandra van Huffelen released an internal memorandum from 2016, in which it is recommended that anyone with a childcare benefit debt exceeding €3,000 should automatically receive the "Deliberate intent/Gross negligence" qualification. According to Van Huffelen, it was unclear whether this recommendation had been carried out.[21]

Racial profiling[edit]

Whereas the scandal mainly involved false allegations of childcare benefit fraud, it later turned out that the authorities also wrongly suspected residents of making fradulent claims to healthcare benefit, rent benefit and supplementary child benefit.[22] In the case of income tax, it was revealed that the Tax and Customs Administration – under the code name Project 1043 – engaged in racial profiling to find suspicious income tax returns.[23] The Tax and Customs Administration subsequently admitted that more than 11,000 cases were subject to special scrutiny because of their ethnic origin or dual citizenship, raising allegations of institutional racism.[24]

DJ-Some other headlines-in fact showing multiple crises at the same time;

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/25/curfew-riots-least-10-municipalities-190-arrested-amsterdam[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/25/curfew-riots-least-10-municipalities-190-arrested-amsterdam ,

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/25/police-union-expects-days-weeks-curfew-riots[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/25/police-union-expects-days-weeks-curfew-riots 

"politics";

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/25/pm-condemns-criminal-violence-anti-curfew-riots[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/25/pm-condemns-criminal-violence-anti-curfew-riots 

Healthcare 

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/25/hospitals-preparing-code-black-behind-scenes-icu-leader[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/25/hospitals-preparing-code-black-behind-scenes-icu-leader 

DJ-my summary in short;

-Like the US, UK NL has a government that could be seen as racist, a legal system that "failed" (in the benefits scandal-one of the conclusions of the report). People with a migration background over represented in prisons, low pay jobs/unemployment. 

-Poverty did increase during the "liberal/conservative" vvd government, housing crisis worsened, healthcare became much more expensive-but the rich did get richer. NL even more became a [url]https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/taxhaven.asp[/url] or https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/taxhaven.asp 

A christian democratic MP ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_Omtzigt[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_Omtzigt )did see resemblance with Malta wich he described as a "failed corrupt country" 

-While NL did a very good job in vaccinating against the Mexican Flu at present vaccination against Covid19 in NL is "close to a disaster". NL did see the largest global outbreaks of [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_fever[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_fever, [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Bovenkarspel_legionellosis_outbreak[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Bovenkarspel_legionellosis_outbreak also large outbreaks in (other) animal diseases happen with high frequency

-The head of the Dutch CDC -[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_for_Public_Health_and_the_Environment[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_for_Public_Health_and_the_Environment is also still the head of the OMT=Outbreak Management Team here in NL. Untill recently this person first went to the cabinet-meeting (to get political instructions) and after that to the OMT meeting...Several members were at the point of resigning...now meeting of OMT is not that "closely linked" with the government agenda...

-In parliament ; 1. Members from Holland" the two western "provinces"of NL (with Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague-but also Leiden, Delft, Gouda) 5 million population are very OVER represented; the other 12 million Dutch people are very under represented ...Also MP's often have university degrees, a much wealthier background, most of them hardly use public transport...there is a very large gap between people in parliament and those that they should represent...

-DJ-All together less then 2% of the Dutch population are members of a political party. During the Soviet Union 4% of the S.U. population were party members. Turn out by elections is low in poor area's. Only a minority votes...

-During this pandemic two extreme right wing parties (both with US financial links-and with neo-nazi links) claimed NPI went against basic freedom, "there is no pandemic" etc. Also some religious group "tend to believe more in prayer then science"...

-Weak leadership means church services can go on, demonstrations can go on, no mandatory masks till very late (because the RIVM did go against international science claiming no benefit). Still a lot of air travel, no mandatory working from home if possible (1 in 4, 25% of cases people still have to go to the office because our government fail to make good laws..) 

-Over half of the 128 mink farms had to see Covid19 infections before mink farming was stopped. The virus did jump from mink to humans, cats in NL without any (re)action from politics for much to long..

DJ-On this forum I did warn for the "Dutch Disaster" so far other countries even made a bigger mess of how the (mis)managed this pandemic. NL was #3 (after the US and UK) believed to be "best prepared" for the pandemic in 2019. Most likely that idea was based on arrogance for these three-disaster-countries. 

The political reaction on the benefit-scandal, riots gives little hope politics is willing to look at itself to find if they can do a better job. Our national (vvd) government did "dump" care, social security etc to manucipilities without proper budget. Their basic idea is "turned around solidarity"-the poor should support the rich...In this pandemic two ideas dominate, herd immunity and "saving the economy" (so reopening if the R0 gets <1-just to see the R0 goes >1 within weeks...unable to learn anything..) 

Without political change (the vvd still doing good in polls-will push the law & order agenda for march 17 elections) the crises will worsen. The US did get rid of trump, we may see Mark(et) Rutte as our next PM eventhough his party is destroying NL..

We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein
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