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    Posted: December 14 2020 at 9:47am

[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-55299653[/url] or https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-55299653 ;

  • A new variant of coronavirus has been found which seems to be speading faster in some parts of England
  • Hancock stressed there was "nothing to suggest" the variant caused worse disease or that vaccines would no longer work

DJ [url]https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55308211[/url] or https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55308211

A new variant of coronavirus has been found which is growing faster in some parts of England, MPs have been told.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock said at least 60 different local authorities had recorded Covid infections caused by the new variant.

He said the World Health Organization had been notified and UK scientists were doing detailed studies.

He said there was "nothing to suggest" it caused worse disease or that vaccines would no longer work.

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He told MPs in the House of Commons that over the last week, there had been sharp, exponential rises in coronavirus infections across London, Kent, parts of Essex and Hertfordshire.

"We've currently identified over 1,000 cases with this variant predominantly in the South of England although cases have been identified in nearly 60 different local authority areas.

"We do not know the extent to which this is because of the new variant but no matter its cause we have to take swift and decisive action which unfortunately is absolutely essential to control this deadly disease while the vaccine is rolled out."

Prof Alan McNally, an expert at the University of Birmingham, said UK testing labs had picked up on this new variant in the last few weeks.

He told the BBC: "Let's not be hysterical. It doesn't mean it's more transmissible or more infectious or dangerous.

"It is something to keep an eye on.

"Huge efforts are ongoing at characterising the variant and understanding its emergence. It is important to keep a calm and rational perspective on the strain as this is normal virus evolution and we expect new variants to come and go and emerge over time."

Dr Jeremy Farrar, Director of Wellcome, said it was potentially serious. "The surveillance and research must continue and we must take the necessary steps to stay ahead of the virus."


- DJ-If this mutation has been around in that area for "some weeks" it must have spread over a much wider area. Could explain even stricter rules in other parts of Europe.

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[url]https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/dec/14/brexit-covid-coronavirus-boris-johnson-uk-news-live-updates[/url] or https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/dec/14/brexit-covid-coronavirus-boris-johnson-uk-news-live-updates ;

[url]https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/sharp-rise-in-coronavirus-numbers-and-a-new-variant[/url] or https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/sharp-rise-in-coronavirus-numbers-and-a-new-variant 

And here is an extract from the government’s press release explaining why London and parts of Essex and Hertfordshire are moving into tier 3.

The London weekly case rate at 225 per 100,000 people is already the highest regional rate in the country. Havering has the highest rates in London, at 471 per 100,000. These rates do not include the most recent days of incomplete data which show the sharpest rises.

In South Essex, case rates are greater than 200 per 100,000 in 10 out of 14 local authorities and are increasing across the area, with cases in Basildon reaching 563 per 100,000. In South Hertfordshire case rates are greater than 150 per 100,000 in 4 out of the 5 local authorities bordering London and have increased by 10% or more over the last 7 days. Broxbourne’s cases have reached 358 per 100,000.

As of 11 December there were 2,212 hospital beds occupied by Covid-19 patients and 261 mechanical ventilation beds occupied by Covid-19 patients in London, up from 1,766 occupied hospital beds and 242 occupied ventilation beds on 6 December. Daily hospital admissions in London for Covid-19 have increased from 179 on 6 December to 277 on 11 December.

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[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-warns-highly-infectious-new-coronavirus-strain-discovered-southern-england[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-warns-highly-infectious-new-coronavirus-strain-discovered-southern-england ;

Well, in what has become one of the biggest COVID-19-related headlines of the day, UK Health Secretary Matthew Hancock revealed on Monday during an update before Parliament that new evidence of a new strain of the virus that's purportedly spreading more efficiently than earlier known strains. 

Hancock insisted that there's no evidence the vaccine is more deadly, or that the newly introduced vaccines will be less effective at combating infection, though it's hard not to notice that the findings echo similar comments from government scientists in South Australia, who warned of evidence of more infectious and possibly more deadly mutations as justification to order a brief but extremely severe circuit-breaker lockdown last month.

At least 60 different local authorities had documented cases of the new strain and its role in "exponential rises" in coronavirus infections across London, Kent, parts of Essex and Hertfordshire.

Scotland's Nicola Sturgeon said on Twitter that the news was certainly concerning, and that she would be considering whether "additional precautions are necessary".

The news followed Hancock's confirmation to London MPs that the capital city would be moved to "Tier 3" restrictions beginning Wednesday, something that Mayor Sadiq Khan had suggested earlier was likely.

DJ Tier3-restrictions is almost  total lockdown. Australia link ? [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/deadly-strain-coronavirus-discovered-south-australia[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/deadly-strain-coronavirus-discovered-south-australia ????

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This is what I don't understand about people saying "herd immunity" or just let it (covid) run its course,

I think most haven't any idea what viruses are.....

The more people covid infects the more chance it's got of mutating into either a benign virus,or could just as easily go the other way and become a slate wiper (which from the planets point of view would be a good thing).......

Take care all its not over yet...... 

Even with a science led attack on the enemy.......


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I have seen several indications that there is a new strain that spreads faster.  Has anyone seen any news on the virulence of the new strain?

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There are two notable sets of mutation - and I apologise for their hideous names.

Both are found in the crucial spike protein, which is the key the virus uses to unlock the doorway into our body's cells in order to hijack them.

The mutation N501 (I did warn you) alters the most important part of the spike, known as the "receptor-binding domain".

This is where the spike makes first contact with the surface of our body's cells. Any changes that make it easier for the virus to get inside are likely to give it an edge.

"It looks and smells like an important adaptation," said Prof Loman.

The other mutation - a H69/V70 deletion - has emerged several times before, including famously in infected mink.

The concern was that antibodies from the blood of survivors was less effective at attacking that variant of virus.

Again, it is going to take more laboratory studies to really understand what is going on.

Prof Alan McNally, from the University of Birmingham, said: "We know there's a variant, we know nothing about what that means biologically.

"It is far too early to make any inference on how important this may or may not be."

Mutations to the spike protein lead to questions about the vaccine because the three leading jabs - Pfizer, Moderna and Oxford - all train the immune system to attack the spike.

However, the body learns to attack multiple parts of the spike. That is why health officials remain convinced the vaccine will work against this variant.

This is a virus that evolved in animals and made the jump to infecting people around a year ago.

Since then it has been picking up around two mutations a month - take a sample today and compare it to the first ones from Wuhan in China and there would be around 25 mutations separating them.

Coronavirus is still trying out different combinations of mutations to properly nail infecting humans.

We have seen this happen before: The emergence and global dominance of another variant (G614) is seen by many as the virus getting better at spreading.

But soon mass vaccination will put a different kind of pressure on the virus because it will have to change in order to infect people who have been immunized.

If this does drive the evolution of the virus, we may have to regularly update the vaccines, as we do for flu, to keep up.


DJ-One of the mutation may have some similarity with mutations found in minks. If the increase of cases is caused by the found mutations seems to be still unclear. It seems to be detectable by testing-at least that part of the news is "good".

There must be "a lot of mutations" due to how widespread the virus did get. This UK mutation will not be the last (or worst) one...

Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c38i4_4o1DI[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c38i4_4o1DI (info under video)

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I wonder what the affects on the population will be if the vaccine becomes impotent because C19 has mutated to resist the vaccine.......

Can't see a way out of this I can see having to get a shot every year....

We might be in quarantine forever.....

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What do we know about this new SARS-CoV-2 variant?

It’s been snappily named VUI-202012/01 (the first “Variant Under Investigation” in December 2020) and is defined by a set of 17 changes or mutations. One of the most significant is an N501Y mutation in the spike protein that the virus uses to bind to the human ACE2 receptor. Changes in this part of spike protein may, in theory, result in the virus becoming more infectious and spreading more easily between people.

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How common is it?

As of 13 December, 1108 cases with this variant had been identified in the UK in nearly 60 different local authorities, although the true number will be much higher. These cases were predominantly in the south east of England, but there have been recent reports from further afield, including Wales and Scotland.

Nick Loman, professor of microbial genomics and bioinformation at the University of Birmingham, told a briefing by the Science Media Centre on 15 December that the variant was first spotted in late September and now accounts for 20% of viruses sequenced in Norfolk, 10% in Essex, and 3% in Suffolk. “There are no data to suggest it had been imported from abroad, so it is likely to have evolved in the UK,” he said.

Does this variant spread more quickly?

Matt Hancock told the House of Commons on 14 December that initial analysis showed that the new variant “may be associated” with the recent rise in cases in southeast England. However, this is not the same as saying that it is causing the rise.

Loman explained, “This variant is strongly associated with where we are seeing increasing rates of covid-19. It’s a correlation, but we can’t say it is causation. But there is striking growth in this variant, which is why we are worried, and it needs urgent follow-up and investigation.”

Is mutation to be expected?

SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA virus, and mutations arise naturally as the virus replicates. Many thousands of mutations have already arisen, but only a very small minority are likely to be important and to change the virus in an appreciable way. COG-UK says that there are currently around 4000 mutations in the spike protein.

Will the vaccine still work?

The new variant has mutations to the spike protein that the three leading vaccines are targeting. However, vaccines produce antibodies against many regions in the spike protein, so it’s unlikely that a single change would make the vaccine less effective.

Over time, as more mutations occur, the vaccine may need to be altered. This happens with seasonal flu, which mutates every year, and the vaccine is adjusted accordingly. The SARS-CoV-2 virus doesn’t mutate as quickly as the flu virus, and the vaccines that have so far proved effective in trials are types that can easily be tweaked if necessary.

DJ-"First spotted in late september" 1108 cases-december 13 but true number will be much higher...No mention of finds outside the UK (as was mentioned by Matt Hancock in House Of Commons dec.14-if I am correct). 

Statistics can give an indication of how fast this new form pushes up numbers...[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ latest high number may be related to reporting problems...(?) [url]https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/[/url] or https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ ; The number of new UK cases reported on 17 December 2020 includes around 11,000 previously unreported cases for Wales as a result of system maintenance in the NHS Wales Laboratory Information Management System.

[url]https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map[/url] or https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map

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So I have been wondering.  They are telling people in the US if you already have antibodies, you should still take the vaccine because there is no way to determine if someone does or doesn't actually currently have antibodies.  Is there any chance of exposure building antibodies, then vaccine causing adverse affects?

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Yes, but the possibility is not an 'odds-on' probability.  It could happen, but is very unlikely.

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-"Limited"coverage on news of the new UK form of Covid19. [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/901351-england-new-variant-of-covid19-coronavirus-may-be-causing-faster-spread-in-some-areas-december-14-2020-wales-scotland-denmark/page2[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/901351-england-new-variant-of-covid19-coronavirus-may-be-causing-faster-spread-in-some-areas-december-14-2020-wales-scotland-denmark/page2 has at least some links; 

[url]https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13520354/travel-restrictions-london-south-east/[/url] or https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13520354/travel-restrictions-london-south-east/ ;

The emergency meeting came as medics issued a chilling warning that the new virus strain is 50 per cent more contagious than previous Covid-19 cases.

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A health source said: “The last 48 hours have changed everything.”

The Sun understands evidence shows a dramatic hike in positive cases in London in the past week.

The new strain is blamed for a sudden surge in hospitalisations.

And there are fears people are catching the virus despite wearing PPE and socially distancing.

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Meanwhile, fears are growing that a more draconian Tier 4 may be needed.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock is understood to be considering additional curbs if mass testing fails to make an impact.

A Whitehall official said: “There is a case for going further than Tier 3 and it is getting stronger — closure of non-essential retail, stay-at-home orders.

-see also [url]https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13470016/covid-uk-news-christmas-lockdown-tier3-uk-coronavirus-live/[/url] or https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13470016/covid-uk-news-christmas-lockdown-tier3-uk-coronavirus-live/

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/18/boris-johnson-calls-crisis-meeting-to-discuss-response-to-new-covid-strain[/url] or https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/18/boris-johnson-calls-crisis-meeting-to-discuss-response-to-new-covid-strain ;

The variant is thought to be more infectious and could trigger possible restrictions including curbs on travel between the south-east, including London, and the rest of the country, according to reports, but ministers insisted that no decisions have been made.

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It is understood that government scientists have subsequently presented new evidence to ministers about the behaviour of this variant. A government official said: “There are concerns that it is more transmissible than the existing strain – and that sense is hardening.”

An announcement could be made as soon as Saturday about how ministers plan to try to contain the new threat, with particular concerns about the risks of cross-UK travel in the run-up to Christmas.

Professor Sir Mark Walport – a member of the government’s scientific advisory group for emergencies (Sage) – said there was a real possibility that the strain could have a “transmission advantage”.

DJ-Maybe interesting; [url]https://www.thelocal.dk/20201218/analysis-why-has-the-number-of-covid-19-cases-in-denmark-increased-so-quickly[/url] or https://www.thelocal.dk/20201218/analysis-why-has-the-number-of-covid-19-cases-in-denmark-increased-so-quickly ;

There is evidence to suggest that Danish health authorities should have responded earlier with interventions to slow its emerging second wave, despite restrictions introduced in late October which appeared for several weeks to be keeping the situation in check, keeping case numbers relatively stable albeit markedly higher than in the summer.

So no mention of the new UK form. 

[url]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-long-covid-ons-data-b1774821.html?s=09[/url] or https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-long-covid-ons-data-b1774821.html?s=09 If the "old" form in the UK has 10% of infected with symptoms for over three monts and this "new" form may have risks of reinfection the long term outlook is getting worse. 

[url]https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk[/url] or https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk DJ-NOT a government site-just giving an indication on a waitinglist.

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The Guardian: What is the new Covid strain – and will vaccines work against it?.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/19/what-is-the-new-covid-strain-and-will-vaccines-work-against-it

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-Is the South African form of Covid19 similar to the new UK one ? If so South Africa would not call it a South African form of Covid19....anyway "not good news"..

[url]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-new-strain-covid-vaccine-latest-b1776623.html[/url] or https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-new-strain-covid-vaccine-latest-b1776623.html ;

Sir Patrick Vallance, the government's chief scientific adviser, said analysis showed that the variant contains 23 different genetic changes, many associated with the so-called ‘spike’ protein – the part of the virus which is responsible for binding to human cells.

This is significant because the vast majority of vaccines in development target the spike receptor. If it changes beyond recognition, the jabs will be unable to induce the necessary immune response within people.

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"Our working assumption from all the scientists is that the vaccine response should be adequate for this virus," Sir Patrick Vallance, the government's chief scientific adviser, said during Saturday’s briefing. "We need to keep vigilant about this."

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How far has the new strain spread?

For now, the new variant appears to be focused in and around the south of England.

Let’s look at the numbers. Up to 9 December, the mutated virus accounted for:

  • 43 per cent of cases and 28 per cent of hospitalisations in the Southeast
  • 59 per cent of cases and 38 per cent of hospitalisations in the East
  • 62 per cent of cases and 34 per cent of hospitalisations in London

In contrast, the new strain is linked to just five per cent of recent cases in Yorkshire.

Generally speaking, case rates across the UK increased by more than 50 per cent between 29 November and 13 December, driven in some part by the highly infectious variant.

If allowed to go unchecked, the new strain could increase the country’s R rate – which is currently estimated to be between 1.1 and 1.2 – by 0.4 per cent.

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Ravindra Gupta, professor of Clinical Microbiology, University of Cambridge, said:

“The variant has a number of concerning mutations that mean we should control transmission through social restrictions whilst we work to learn more about the impact of these mutations on how the virus behaves. We should seriously consider regional targeting of the vaccine to control spread.”

DJ-A very strict lockdown and targetted vaccinations may be the best we have for now. Increased global monitoring for this mutated virus is also very urgent. A 70% increase of the already high 600.000 new global cases would add another 420.000 new-daily-cases. Even if the virus itself may not be an increased risk-the increase in numbers is a very major risk. 

From [url]https://www.sbs.com.au/news/south-africa-identifies-new-coronavirus-strain-that-is-causing-a-surge-in-cases[/url] or https://www.sbs.com.au/news/south-africa-identifies-new-coronavirus-strain-that-is-causing-a-surge-in-cases ;

South African doctors have remarked that more patients are younger, and do not always have other conditions that amplify the virus' effect, but are nonetheless suffering from more severe forms of COVID-19.

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South African health authorities said the new variant seemed to spread faster than the previous iteration, but that it was too early to tell its severity and whether current vaccines would work against it.

“In the UK they have also identified a new variant ... there are quite a few similarities between the two lineages ... there are also a similar number of mutations” said Professor Tulio de Oliviera, a member of government’s genomics consortium in a televised briefing.

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BBC News - New coronavirus variant: What do we know?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55388846


Not exactly "new" been around since September.......wtf.....

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I believe that this new strain was in bFrance in September. I posted about my nurse friend in Paris who reported a major uptic in cases and that something had changed. Looks like she was right Ground truth  is often a harbinger 

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Every other Christmas our children come here for the Christmas holidays, the other year they spend with the UK parents of their partners.   As flights have now been cut from the UK to Finland it is good that this was not the year for them to come to us.   


Carbon, this morning I was thinking of the "bolting the stable door....horse" saying, but you bet me to posting it, as it has already spread across the Channel. I guess the action is that politicians have to be seen to do something so they can say 'its not our fault, we acted decisively' (even if they acted far to late).

Quote ....., while Denmark, Italy and the Netherlands announced they had already detected it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55391257


I guess that the cutting of transport is going to give the UK an early taste of the Brexit chaos and lack of food etc as most transport has been stopped.  [sorry I am straying from news to politics.....]

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Usk-I did see you reporting cases in Paris-a possible mix of flu and Covid19 (?) mid october. It would be shocking if-at that time-France already had a major outbreak of the UK "variant" and they-also-would not alarm the global community...

So I think they did not find that mutated virus enough to be sure they were dealing with a mutated virus ? If they did find the UK virus-it may have been isolated enough to not increase in cases like what is happening in the UK by now...

Belgium also (a.o.) reporting one (?) UK Covid20/VUI-2020.12.1 case...[url]https://www.brusselstimes.com/belgium/146395/belgiums-third-coronavirus-wave-is-here-expert-warns-geert-meyfroidt-exponential-increase-schools-foreign-travel-alexander-de-croo/[/url] or https://www.brusselstimes.com/belgium/146395/belgiums-third-coronavirus-wave-is-here-expert-warns-geert-meyfroidt-exponential-increase-schools-foreign-travel-alexander-de-croo/  cases going up there as well...

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Thing is.....

By the time  this news gets out 

Covid has moved on 

Met up with a few long lost cousins swapped a little RNA..........

VACCINE what vaccine???????




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CNN just reported that the new variant is 70X more contagious.  Our press told us it was 70% more contagious.  That is a difference of 100X!

I suspect CNN has (by accident) lost, or invented, a couple of zeros.  But I could be wrong.  Boris has convened a meeting of COBRA*  which meets to discuss and deal with major threats to the country and he cancelled Christmas meetings for many people without prior notice - which is unprecedented.




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Main Stream Media (MSM) also claim the South African "variant" is the same as the UK one-wich it is NOT !!! There are some similarities (a.o. on the 501 spot in the viral RNA string)-but the UK and SA "variants"are different. 

That is bad news-there may be TWO variants of Covid 19 spreading faster-the SA (at least) is also infecting more younger people (but that could be related to a younger population and it is summer in South Africa. Schoolyear ends in december-young people celebreted the end of studying-wich did raise numbers in itself.)

I would have to "dig into" SA press to find out if the UK variant also showed up in SA...if it did South Africa (SA) may have (at least) three different variations of Covid19 in its borders...!

Also if-indeed-the UK and SA variants are different, how many other variants could be around ? Could show up soon ? 

MainStream Media mixing up 70% with 70x is-again-making fact finding harder...

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Serious question: If they find the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines do not work (as well) against the new strain - will they tell us?  

Or for the less cynical, who would be the first ones out with that news?   

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KiminNM, 

[url]https://biontech.de/covid-19[/url] or https://biontech.de/covid-19 is already working on that...

[url]https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/22/949150817/biontech-ceo-says-highly-likely-vaccine-is-effective-against-u-k-virus-variant?t=1608662121323[/url] or https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/22/949150817/biontech-ceo-says-highly-likely-vaccine-is-effective-against-u-k-virus-variant?t=1608662121323 ;

BioNTech CEO Ugur Sahin underscored that experiments would have to be conducted to reach a definitive conclusion about their vaccine, which it developed with Pfizer. And data from those tests will not be available for a few weeks.

"We don't know at the moment if our vaccine is also able to provide protection against this new variant." Sahin said during a Tuesday press briefing. "But scientifically, it is highly likely that the immune response by this vaccine also can deal with the new virus variant."

He said that 99% of the proteins that make up the virus variant remain the same as the original. Sahin added that he has "scientific confidence that the vaccine might protect" against the variant.

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Sahin was pressed on how quickly the company could ramp up production of a new vaccine, should a significant mutation of the coronavirus emerge.

"We can directly start to engineer a vaccine which completely mimics this new mutation and we could be able to provide a new vaccine, technically within six weeks," Sahin added.

But he added that an important factor to consider is how quickly various regulators, like the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and European Medicines Agency, would authorize the use of a hypothetical new vaccine.

It is important to note, as NPR's global health correspondent Michaeleen Doucleff reported on Tuesday, that the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 "has been mutating the whole time" during the pandemic, averaging one to two mutations a month.

What makes the U.K. variant so noteworthy is that it has 17 mutations, she reported.

DJ-I think the technique is there to deal with mutations. Problems;

-increase speed of mutations, vaccines can become "running behind the facts" vaccines able to deal with the virus as it was at the start of development. By the time it is ready for use the virus most dominant is developing away from the virus.

-costs...this kind of research may become unaffordable on the longer term. Costs for dealing with the pandemic go up faster then the economy decreases 

-loss of trust, maybe in the start the vaccine is "94,5% effective" but within half a year or so the "succesrate" dropping 

It would be great if Ivermectin (HCQ ?) did provide safety.

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The biggest problem we have here is the human races need/desire to fly hither and thither spreading and mixing one mutation with another at a rate far faster than nature has in the past ,we are increasing the rates of mutations by a X factor of XX, we have never in the course of human history ever faced anything like this ,not with international travel as it is these days ,

Example:

Person A has AcA1 virus flies to meet aunty who has AbD1 virus result =recombination

AbD1 flies to meet Mom who has DcaD virus......get the picture......

And that happening a million times plus everyday.......

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