NO ibuprofen with covid19

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   DJ-Maybe I missed this-but worth repeating !
[url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/anti-inflammatory-drugs-may-aggravate-coronavirus-infection[/url]
French minister says patients should take paracetamol rather than ibuprofen or cortisone
The country’s health minister, Olivier Véran, who is a qualified doctor and neurologist, tweeted on Saturday: “The taking of anti-inflammatories [ibuprofen, cortisone … ] could be a factor in aggravating the infection. In case of fever, take paracetamol. If you are already taking anti-inflammatory drugs, ask your doctor’s advice.”
Health officials point out that anti-inflammatory drugs are known to be a risk for those with infectious illnesses because they tend to diminish the response of the body’s immune system.
The health ministry added that patients should choose paracetamol – which is known in the US by the generic name acetaminophen and commonly by the brand name Tylenol – because “it will reduce the fever without counterattacking the inflammation”.

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Dutch Josh Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Adviser Group Joined: May 01 2013 Location: Arnhem-Netherla Status: Offline Points: 95657	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dutch Josh Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: NO ibuprofen with covid19 Posted: March 16 2020 at 2:56am
	DJ-Maybe I missed this-but worth repeating ! [url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/anti-inflammatory-drugs-may-aggravate-coronavirus-infection[/url] French minister says patients should take paracetamol rather than ibuprofen or cortisone The country’s health minister, Olivier Véran, who is a qualified doctor and neurologist, tweeted on Saturday: “The taking of anti-inflammatories [ibuprofen, cortisone … ] could be a factor in aggravating the infection. In case of fever, take paracetamol. If you are already taking anti-inflammatory drugs, ask your doctor’s advice.” Health officials point out that anti-inflammatory drugs are known to be a risk for those with infectious illnesses because they tend to diminish the response of the body’s immune system. The health ministry added that patients should choose paracetamol – which is known in the US by the generic name acetaminophen and commonly by the brand name Tylenol – because “it will reduce the fever without counterattacking the inflammation”.
	We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein

EdwinSm, Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Joined: April 03 2013 Status: Offline Points: 24065	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdwinSm, Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 16 2020 at 3:44am
	Thanks for posting that.

cobber Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: August 13 2014 Status: Offline Points: 6035	Post Options Post Reply Quote cobber Report Post Thanks(2) Quote Reply Posted: March 16 2020 at 3:57am
	Dubious advice. It should say in the early stages of the coronavirus during fever please avoid ibuprofen. For the reasons described. However in the later stages when secondary infection starts. Ibuprofen can be beneficial reduce inflammation in the lungs. Thats my take on it..

Dutch Josh Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Adviser Group Joined: May 01 2013 Location: Arnhem-Netherla Status: Offline Points: 95657	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dutch Josh Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 16 2020 at 7:05am
	cobber-your remark makes sense to me-timing matters...(via the link 5 opinions) Still another study; [url]https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-reports-that-the-french-health-minister-recommended-use-of-paracetamol-for-fever-from-covid-19-rather-than-ibuprofen-or-cortisone/[/url]; MARCH 16, 2020 expert reaction to reports that the French Health Minister recommended use of paracetamol for fever from COVID-19 rather than ibuprofen or cortisonecortisone. Prof Paul Little, Professor of Primary Care Research, University of Southampton, said: “There is now a sizeable literature from case control studies in several countries that prolonged illness or the complications of respiratory infections may be more common when NSAIDs are used – both respiratory or septic complications (1-10) and cardiovascular complications (11, 12). The observational evidence is always difficult to interpret due to so called protopathic bias/confounding by indication (i.e. were the NSAIDs prescribed at an early stage of the complications developing and so the NSAID use reflects the complications or a more severe illness rather than causing it), but where this has been controlled for the associations still persists(2). The finding in two randomised trials that advice to use ibuprofen results in more severe illness or complications (13, 14) helps confirm that the association seen in the observational studies is indeed likely to be causal. Advice to use paracetamol is also less likely to result in complications(13).”
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cobber Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: August 13 2014 Status: Offline Points: 6035	Post Options Post Reply Quote cobber Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 19 2020 at 8:28pm
	Seems the government doesn't want people using Advil. Maybe its because of hoarding. I suspect the government is pumping out propaganda to stop people hoarding. I noticed the same message with face masks. There are many studies proving that p2 face masks are effective against airborne viruses. My take on Ibuprofen is it shouldn't be taken during the fever stage. If however you have 2ndary infection and inflammation in the lungs it should be taken. Note I'm not a doctor. I have just read lots of clinical studies around ARDS.

carbon20 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Joined: April 08 2006 Location: West Australia Status: Offline Points: 65816	Post Options Post Reply Quote carbon20 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 19 2020 at 10:12pm
	What's the information on aspirin ? Anyone?
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Flubergasted Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List V.I.P. Member Joined: February 04 2020 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 2130	Post Options Post Reply Quote Flubergasted Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 19 2020 at 10:19pm
	My take on what I have read is that you should not take aspirin either. It is also an NSAID.

carbon20 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Joined: April 08 2006 Location: West Australia Status: Offline Points: 65816	Post Options Post Reply Quote carbon20 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 20 2020 at 1:36am
	Thanks I thought so too, Just threw it out there...
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Technophobe Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Assistant Admin Joined: January 16 2014 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 88450	Post Options Post Reply Quote Technophobe Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 20 2020 at 3:47am
	Again, not a doctor, but Asprin (yes it is an NSAID) is very similar to ibuprofen. The first stage no, second stage yes, is a good rule of thumb. I would not like to guess at how long to wait though. Definitely not until the fever has subsided.
	How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving.

Technophobe Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Assistant Admin Joined: January 16 2014 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 88450	Post Options Post Reply Quote Technophobe Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 20 2020 at 3:47am
	That also goes for naproxen and diclofenac.
	How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving.

Dutch Josh Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Adviser Group Joined: May 01 2013 Location: Arnhem-Netherla Status: Offline Points: 95657	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dutch Josh Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 20 2020 at 4:43am
	Another update from MedCram [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT6mHi_8V5E[/url].. The WHO backs France in the debate on Ibuprofen. (from 6.58). DJ-What I understand that there is no real proof against Ibuprofen but chances of complications increase ?
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Technophobe Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Assistant Admin Joined: January 16 2014 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 88450	Post Options Post Reply Quote Technophobe Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 20 2020 at 5:14am
	Thank you Josh! Having just watched that, I would say: "Under no circumstances take *any* NSAID with the wu."
	How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving.

Technophobe Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Assistant Admin Joined: January 16 2014 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 88450	Post Options Post Reply Quote Technophobe Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 20 2020 at 5:18am
	NSAIDS ibuprofen. naproxen. diclofenac. celecoxib. mefenamic acid. etoricoxib. indomethacin. ASPRIN.
	How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving.

KiminNM Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List V.I.P. Member Joined: January 22 2020 Location: NM Status: Offline Points: 6605	Post Options Post Reply Quote KiminNM Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 20 2020 at 7:15am
	Can't believe it hasn't been mentioned yet, but if you are taking aspirin prescribed by your doctor to prevent stroke or blood clots or heart attack - DO NOT STOP unless your doctor tells you to stop.

Technophobe Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Assistant Admin Joined: January 16 2014 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 88450	Post Options Post Reply Quote Technophobe Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 20 2020 at 7:32am
	Kim is right. You could ask your doc if there were an alternative, but don't just stop. Incidentally, asprin at very low dose is not medically considered an NSAID.
	How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving.

FluMom Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Adviser Group Valued Member Since 2006 Joined: February 03 2020 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 14695	Post Options Post Reply Quote FluMom Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 20 2020 at 10:56am
	I take aspirin but if I got sick I would stop. No doc told me to do it at 70 you just know to do it. If you take it for a reason don't stop but contact your doctor to see what he says. I bet it is stop if you get sick but other than that continue.

cobber Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: August 13 2014 Status: Offline Points: 6035	Post Options Post Reply Quote cobber Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: March 21 2020 at 1:42am
	Medcram is pretty good. Looks like Avil is off the list.

NO ibuprofen with covid19

MARCH 16, 2020

expert reaction to reports that the French Health Minister recommended use of paracetamol for fever from COVID-19 rather than ibuprofen or cortisonecortisone.