NZ shuts all it's borders

This evening Jacinda Ardern, our prime minister, announced that as from 11.59pm tonight our borders will be shut to all non NZ citizens or permenant residents. No tourists will be allowed. 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/120423903/coronavirus-prime-minister-to-make-announcement-on-border-controls

JMO...

IF WHO truly knew about this back in Nov/Dec as some reports have said...

IF this virus is truly what they say it is (read links in post in political section for a different view)...

IF governments were forewarned/knowledgeable of what was coming...

IF so - ALL of the governments of the world are reacting criminally slow with measures to stop this!   They have demonstrated more concern about keeping the stock market stable/economy going for as long as possible, and quelling 'panic' (which had they instead fed out true information in an orderly fashion people could have been better prepared with less panic).  I am not talking just Trump here - I am talking ALL governments have shown this disregard for their citizens.  

So are they criminally negligent?  Or is this all a carefully constructed ruse to take the blame for the inevitable economic collapse, or pushing thru a one world government? Or is this even 'worse' then they are saying and know there's 'no hope' so lets just keep the ball rolling as long as possible...  I read all kinds of stuff, some of it is WAY too far down the rabbit hole for me to even process - but remembering that in 'all lies there is a grain of truth' some of it makes you wonder.  I challenge everyone here to stick their heads down a rabbit hole and read something or watch a video they normally wouldn't.  Some of you will find it scary, some funny, some fascinating - but definitely all food for thought.  

JMHO

If you let 50% of the old and weak die, then the country spends far less money on keeping the older generations alive.  I don't mean just UK or USA, but everyone!          

The 'best' bit is you don't have to do much - just don't do too much.

Call me a cynic if you want.  But 'Western' governments have faced a huge amount of cost from geriatric care for a while.

Technophobe wrote: JMHO If you let 50% of the old and weak die, then the country spends far less money on keeping the older generations alive.  I don't mean just UK or USA, but everyone!           The 'best' bit is you don't have to do much - just don't do too much. Call me a cynic if you want.  But 'Western' governments have faced a huge amount of cost from geriatric care for a while.

The cynic in me agrees with you. As it stands, most pension funds have been spent by companies anyway and it will be a struggle for them and the government to keep paying out pensions for the Boomer generation. There are just so many of them. In addition, our modern medicine insists on keeping people alive who, in reality should perhaps be allowed to die. These medical interventions and the subsequent ongoing care required cost a fortune. If covid 19 wiped out all the people with underlying health issues (and it looks like obesity is adversely affected by it too), and a good proportion of the elderly, the economic repercussions for the western world would be great. It would free up housing stock, the health service, save a fortune in pensions and reset the population demographic to a more favourable and serviceable balance.

KiwiMum wrote: Technophobe wrote: JMHO If you let 50% of the old and weak die, then the country spends far less money on keeping the older generations alive.  I don't mean just UK or USA, but everyone!           The 'best' bit is you don't have to do much - just don't do too much. Call me a cynic if you want.  But 'Western' governments have faced a huge amount of cost from geriatric care for a while. The cynic in me agrees with you. As it stands, most pension funds have been spent by companies anyway and it will be a struggle for them and the government to keep paying out pensions for the Boomer generation. There are just so many of them. In addition, our modern medicine insists on keeping people alive who, in reality should perhaps be allowed to die. These medical interventions and the subsequent ongoing care required cost a fortune. If covid 19 wiped out all the people with underlying health issues (and it looks like obesity is adversely affected by it too), and a good proportion of the elderly, the economic repercussions for the western world would be great. It would free up housing stock, the health service, save a fortune in pensions and reset the population demographic to a more favourable and serviceable balance.

How very NWO. Looks pretty good at a glance but when it's you or your kids or someone you love that is deemed economically nonviable and terminated as a result of age, disease, medical condition ect it'll lose it's allure pretty fast.

I too had similar thoughts,about the old and weak in our countries ,

I also had thoughts about ,getting rid of some of the population to reduce climate change, as we Humans are the ones polluting the planet, 

 I've said as much on here before, 

Sad fact is we will never know, 

All on here Knew something like this was bound to come along, 

This came out of left field , while we all.looking as H5N1 or one of the other "Flu" types ,

This Also we knew

We are now living with what we all expected

It's real and happening

I find it all very interesting.....

Not worried about myself, I've had a Great life,no complaints,

Worry about my kids and grandkids, would hate to live if they get taken.....

Expecting to lose my Mom and Mother in Law both 85  both in UK 

These are the realities we all going to face.... 

don't want to lose anyone, that's not going to happen 

It's NO ones fault, 

Not China, not Trump, not Johnson ,we are all in  this together,

STAY SAFE, 

KEEP CALM CARRY ON....

Technophobe wrote: I am no conspiracy theorist.  I don't think that governents ever deliberately kill their own citizens.  This is not the human way.

I wasn't a conspiracy theorist until the Dubya administration.  No.  I don't think goverments would kill their citizens.  But evidently there doesn't seem to be a problem with letting them die.  

Many of our moms lived through WWII so this is not scary for them!  They sacrificed a lot...I think my mom is ready to go she does not seem to care if she dies from this.  Can't do anything about it.

carbon20 wrote: My Mom's 12,000 miles away lives by herself, brother lives 500 miles from her, Tough old bird though..

I'm not condoning it either.  But, KiwiMum has it about right.

You have to be VERY careful about wormwood.  It's not only a hallucinogenic, it is poisonous at the wrong dosage.

Ok, so I chnge my martinis for absinth........

Seriously, tea tree is a broad-spectrum anti-viral - albeit not massively so.  As is garlic. The wu hates heat and damp as well.

Now garlic is known NOT to cure covid-19, but it does help a cold go a bit quicker.  Inhaling steam eases the symptoms of one too.

So, I would be surprised if your treatment cured it.  But it might help get it over quicker, ameliorate the ill effects and it will not harm you (unless you spill the boiling water).  Try calling it a theory for treatment - not a cure.  If sick, I will certainly try it.

As for tea tree I think it has more efficacy than garlic

DOI: 10.32725/jab.2005.012

worked quickly for SARS

Skinny,  Witchy and I both do a bit of herbalism.  We know wormwood, teatree and their friends quite well.  Both of them are probably helpful.  But that is not the same as a proven cure.  

Yes nature gave us the lead on these things.  I even have some very dangerous plants growing in my garden.  But if a friend was suffering from the odemic bloating of heart failure, unless we were in a survival situation where no medical help were available, I would not give them a decoction of foxglove.  Nor would I treat my son's epilipsy with henbane.  The dose and side effects are too unpredictable.

Allopathy (the doctor's medicine) may take its lead from us, but it then undergoes massive double-blind trials of precicely metered extracts that are often lab made instead of grown to achieve great accuracy.

I can see why your treatment should work.  But that is still a theory, not proven.  (Calling it a theory is quite a compliament, as it is an hypothesis until several of your peers accept the validity of the theory.)