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    Posted: February 03 2006 at 11:17pm
Speaking of Cats from the Elderly Forum.  Cats get avian flu and cats like to kill and eat birds.  I have already been talking with my wife and daughter about the fact that, if we get Avian Flu in our bird population, our cats will no longer be able to come in and out as they please.   Those in, but stay in and once out, stay out.  Those out, stay out.   At the first sign of illness, they may need to be euthanized.  If you have inside/outside animals, you may want to plan and perpare for this.  Shooting a sick cat will spread a lot of possibly contaminated blood and there may not be vets to do the job.  Doing it by hand is out of the question: how many bites/scratches and clawings do you think we'd get?  Assuming we could do it.

The same goes for a lot of dogs that would nose around the corpse of a dead bird.  They might not get sick, but they may bring that virus right back into your house after you let them out for the last time the other night.

We humans know to stay away from possibly infected people, but, those of us with pets will let them out to avidly snuffle amongst contaminated dead or sick birds in the yard or woods.   Dog owners should be prepared to keep their pets leashed when outdoors and cat owners prepare to keep their cats out or begin to start the good-fight now to keep them in.
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Hope this forum comes up with some good ideas. I could sure use them.
Have 3 (possibly 4 if my daughter comes to stay with us) dogs. Live in the
country and they go inside/outside continually all day. I realize this would
not be possible if things go bad. Trying to think of some plan. What about
this if i can get my hubby to do some building:

Have a front deck, covered, no railing or fence. Deck then turns to the left
along the other side of the house, not covered in that area. What about
fencing in both covered and uncovered areas of the deck, covering the
part that is not covered, having steps go down to an area, either ground
or gravel, for peeing and pooping. That would have to be fenced and
covered also. Near front door, on first deck i mentioned, put some dog
houses with in/out doors of some kind. Hopefully by the time needed it
would be warmer (now gets down to about 20 degrees each night) and
dogs would stay outdoors all the time. Hopefully dog houses would be
warm enough for sleeping at night. Wouldn't give them much area for
exercise, but can't think of anything else.

Someone would have to feed/ water / gather poop daily. Each dog would
have to be walked daily, without protection of cover. Assume person
going outside to take care of and walk dogs would be masked and
gloved. Anything other personal protection necessary (remember, we live
in country and no other people would be around). Would have to be very
careful when walking dogs not to let them sniff at bird poop.

More thoughts would be very appreciated. Rocky


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I don't think you have to be masked when there are no other people around.
The virus won't be flying around on it's own.

I presume you won't be touching dead birds or bird poop ?
Only problem I can see is when it would be very dry and dusty.
Dry bird poop might be in that dust, but I guess that is a problem for the summer.

Don't touch your mouth, eyes or nose after touching anything outside before you have washed them (your hands that is...)
Aside from that, I think you would be quite alright out in the country.


Can I come and stay ? Will be bringing 2 border collies, so perhaps they can play with your dogs 

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I wanted to post this but first I'd like to say that I am NOT a vet so PLEASE talk to your vet about this first:
My sister has a dog that has been sick for a little while and has lost some weight. Even though he is about 6 years old, the vet told her that it was OK to buy the dog "puppy chow" for a while becuase it is higher in calories and it might help him to gain weight back. (I am sure that there may be better alternatives than this, but that's what the vet told her she could do if she wanted to. Her dog is recovering and will be fine but my sister said he did lose some weight and she was concerned about that)

If there is pandemic and pet owners have difficulty buying enough pet food, maybe it might be a good idea to consider buying some Puppy or Kitten food (even if you have an adult pet)  to help your pet maintain his or her weight , especially if you don't have as much food available as your pet normally would eat.
Like I said, I am not a vet, so this may not be good advice. My sister just told me that her vet said it has extra calories and I thought that if animals are not able to eat as much as they are used to , they may lose weight and having this higher calories food may help them to maintain their weight for a while.


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  Jackson thanks for the tip on the pet food I will check it out.
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have you considered getting in rice and pasta for the dogs. Its bulky so fills them up and provides calories. It is the protein bit that may be a problem  Anyone any ideas please for the protein.  And if you could freeze some beef fat straight off the cow that also provides energy



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HI ALL

as far as i can define if the flu mutates a lot of commense would be a good safe gaurd, plus avioding were possible contact with other creatures. Plus if we can keep ourselves and pets as normally healthy as possible is their a problem.
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I also pLAN to supplement my dogs diet with rice some powder eggs and mashed beans .  I have never bought into the idea that God invented dog food, he invented food .  .  My dog has always  eaten what we eat and he is healthy,  I had one dog and feed him dog food and he was dead in five years from cancer.    The next dog refused to eat dog food and he lived 17 years and was healthy til the end

 

Just watch the fat and sugar.  

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Hi.

FYI  The American Red Cross has a book called Pet First Aid. Easy to understand and use incase there is no vet.  Most chapters should have it. In Tampa they even had a class. K

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The problem with adding more rice, beans and other carbs to your dogs/cats diet is, that they will produce more uhh... 'manure'

When walking the dog outside becomes a no-no and the animal has to relieve itself in the garden or in-doors on a newspaper (),
bigger piles of pooh are not something you want to encourage.....

Having 2 dogs myself I'm not sure yet what to stock up on for them.
They are normally fed raw meat and bones, but my freezers have to keep running to do that.
If the power goes down so does their food ...
I'm looking into different brands of kibble, trying to decide which is  the least junk...


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WE have cats and a dog..just bought this pup actually..but it is smaller then our biggest cat and about the same size as our kitten..plus we have 2 cockatiels..and of course the fish....

I am locking our pets down the moment I have to...I have stocked up on kitty litter(not a lot) but use it to weigh down the trunk(boot) in the winter...

How about making a walk way for pets..an inclosure and covering top with plastic sheeting to stop bird droppings from getting in...and prevents pets from eating dead birds...

I am sure if you see 50-100 to alot of dead birds on your street or area you are not going to let pets outside...

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Sambo, the giant, loving, truly usless golden lab, chases anything that moves, hasn't caught anything yet. Not one bird gets a break in the yard.
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Hi, Rocky. I would highly recommend closing off the deck and side now while supplies are still available. We build a porch for our cats (13!!) when we moved up here w/o a thought of a bird-flu. We wrapped it with fine wire on the outside and heavy-duty chicken wire on the inside. No problem with bugs getting in or the cats getting out. For in the winter we got that plastic that you use for hot-houses (can't remember the name), keeps rain out and some warmth in. Found out by accident that the cats like banana boxes, so they each have their own with old towels and blankets inside. They've been very happy. You can also order these heat-retaining floor covers for your dogs. Check out a pet magazine, they always advertise for them in there.  Hope this helps. 
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Marjo, please discuss with your vet how to change your pet's food over. I'm not a vet, but I've been told by mine that too rapid a change will make them sick. Might be a good time now to gradually start offering them a good quality kibble in small amounts so their system can adjust.
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I have heard the same from our Vet.   Nice to see another kitty lover Femvet.  Sounds like you have them well protected.  Good to hear, makes me ill to see them running loose, cars, people, BF, anything can get them.

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while I'm thinking about it, don't forget to lay in pet meds as well. Flea-collars, ear-mite treatment, Hydrogen peroxide is terrific for small wounds. I've actuall opened up absesses and cleaned them out with terrific results. Saved me about $200!!! Muzzle for dogs so you won't get bitten while you're trying to help them. Shampoo, what else?? I put together a First Aid kit for my animals, anything in there is kept strictly separate from human stuff.
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does any one has idea on making inexpensive small dog booties?  I do not want my 2 small dogs to go out int the yard and step on bird poop and bring it indoors, I have lots of birds coming to my yard, although I removed everything from bird feeders, baths last year, any ideas?    they are expensive the ones on dog ctalogs, $45.00 and above
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my freind & i made rubber dog botties from old tire tubes- used for rescue dogs--- they can be washed with bleach and are very sturdy.-

just make a circle of rubber--- sized for dog- punch holes thru top & cinch with rope  quite funny looking, but the dogs kept them on

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Thanks!  I have old tires tube in the garage, gret idea and thanks for the tip.
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After hearing about countries recycling their dead birds to make a couple of bucks, I thought about pet food.

Does anyone know if canned pet food is cooked first to kill viruses.

If it is not cooked, see --> http://www.veggiepets.com/

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Originally posted by jackson jackson wrote:

  Even though he is about 6 years old, the vet told her that it was OK to buy the dog "puppy chow" for a while becuase it is higher in calories and it might help him to gain weight back.

I had cats with feline Luekemia and I fed them Kitten Chow because it is higher in protein and is said to help their immune system.

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2005 September 27 Tuesday

Dogs Face Deadly H3N8 Influenza From Horses

As humans face the growing possibility of a deadly flu pandemic our four
legged friends demonstrate just how much they have in common with us.
A deadly influenza strain that has jumped from horses to dogs is
producing headlines similar to what we can expect to see when the next
human influenza pandemic hits. The horse influenza H3N8 has mutated
and jumped to dogs and killed greyhounds in 7 states.

The virus, which scientists say mutated from an influenza strain that
affects horses, has killed racing greyhounds in seven states and has been
found in shelters and pet shops in many places, including the New York
suburbs, though the extent of its spread is unknown.

...

The virus is an H3N8 flu closely related to an equine flu strain. It is not
related to typical human flus or to the H5N1 avian flu that has killed
about 100 people in Asia.

Fido, Spot, and Rover are in danger. But humans can control the spread of
a canine influenza outbreak a lot more easily than they can control a
human outbreak. Humans travel greater distances and congregate
together a lot more. While Rover is at home in the backyard waiting for
people to come home and barking plaintively through the fence at dogs
getting walked Johnnie is at grade school fighting with Billy, Bobby, Biff,
and Brett on the playground and passing pathogens around in the
process. His sister Jill is playing pattie cakes with Suzie and Taylor and
passing along germs too. Johnnie's Dad is flying back from a business
meeting in Singapore with regional manangers from Thailand, Canton,
and Indonesia. Mom is at Pilates with a bunch of other women all
touching the same floors, door knobs, and railings with their sweaty skin.
Or maybe Mom is carrying on an affair with another law firm partner. Oh,
and Mom's sister is waitressing at a busy packed restaurant to work
through law school.

Humans have been exposed to this virus from horses for a long time with
no reports of cross-overs into humans.

There is no evidence that it has spread to humans, or that it ever will. But
at a Monday press conference, federal officials said they are monitoring
the health of exposed dog owners -- because a virus that jumps species
once could do it again.

...

"We have never been able to document a single case of human infection
with this virus,'' said Ruben Donis, a researcher with the federal Centers
for Disease Control and Prevention and principal author of the study.

But a virus that has managed to hop into dogs might now be closer to
human compatibility. Anyone have scientific reasons to think this might
be the case?

The CDC says don't panic even though it appears to kill 5% to 8% of
dogs..

"We are going to monitor all cases of human exposure, but at this point
there is no reason to panic," said Ruben Donis of the federal Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. Donis noted that it has been
known for about 40 years that the virus causes the flu in horses, with no
reports of its infecting humans. Tests also indicate it is sensitive to
antiviral drugs.

...

Although the mortality rate from the new flu virus remains unclear, so far
it appears to kill 5 to 8 percent of infected dogs.

Well, what a human-centric attitude. Don't panic? Imagine a pandemic flu
virus that killed 8% of humans was in the lose. Oh wait, the CDC would
still say there is no reason to panic. But that only makes sense. There's
never any reason to panic. Panic is a maladaptive response. But
sometimes desperate measures are called for. Just stay level headed.

Since the dog flu is responsive to Tamiflu and amantadine I see this as yet
another reason to stockpile Tamiflu. Fido's life might depend on it. What
if a human pandemic breaks out, you stay totally healthy, but Fido comes
down with a bad case of the flu? I can tell you right now that those
human-centric public health authorities aren't going to let you get any
Tamiflu for Spot or Scooby Do. No way. You have to stock up ahead of
time if you want to protect your dog during a human flu pandemic.

Continue to walk your dog and let neighborhood packs congregate.

The C.D.C., which is tracking the disease, issued no official
recommendations. But Dr. Crawford urged pet owners to continue to walk
healthy dogs, visit dog runs, use boarding kennels and otherwise let
animals congregate.

But, Dr. Crawford added, owners should "use common sense," including
isolating dogs with any symptoms of respiratory disease for up to two
weeks and alerting a veterinarian's office before taking in a sick dog for
treatment.

But we need continued press coverage of this problem. Dog owners need
to know when H3N8 comes to their neighborhoods.

Update: Dr. Brad Fenwick thinks the mortality rate is lower than
Crawford's estimate.

Dr. Brad Fenwick, vice president for research at the College of Veterinary
Medicine at Virginia Polytechnic Institute, said he thinks mortality from
this flu is even less than estimated by Crawford. If infected dogs are
treated, mortality can be much lower, Fenwick said in a telephone
interview.

From the CDC press conference: Dr. Ruben Donis:

So what about the implications for public health? We must keep in mind
that this H3N8 equine influenza virus has been in horses for over 40
years. In all these years, we have never been able to document and single
case of human infection with this virus. So that is something that I want
everybody to take note of so to dispel, you know, major panic. That's not
to say that there isn't any risk. We are going to monitor all cases of
possible human exposure, but, this point, there is no reason to panic.

Dr. Cynda Crawford:

Only a minority of dogs, a small number of dogs, experience
complications such as pneumonia, just like the humans infected with
influenza, certain populations of humans are more prone to development
of pneumonia. And it's a small number of humans compared to everyone
else.

So that is the same with canine influenza virus. It's a small population of
dogs that will develop complications, most likely bacterial complications
and these dogs do need to be--have their treatment supervised by a
veterinarian.

In addition, since not all dogs will show a clinical syndrome, showing that
they have a respiratory infection, there is a minority that are infected with
the virus, but will not show clinical signs to announce to everybody that I
am sick. And it is very difficult to find these dogs in the dog population.
And we're working on a more rapid means of identification.

If bacterial infection sets in as a complication that obviously can get
treated by antibiotics. Also, Tamiflu and amantadine can slow the virus
itself.


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"Does anyone know if canned pet food is cooked first to kill viruses."

The canning processes requires high temperatures.

Don't forget some dog breeds need the fibre they get by chewing sticks. That is why Golden Retreivers sample everybody's mulch when they go for a walk.
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Is it safe to walk dogs (thus leaving the house) at all times, assuming we can protect the dogs from what is outside?  Are WE safe outside? 

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Sheilad, remember this is a flu-bug, NOT a level 4 type biohazard. You can get it from another person sneezing, the droplets can travle up to 30' in the air.

Depending on where you live, your dogs can safely go outside with two provisions: Make sure they do not come in contact with any dead animal. Two, disinfect their feet, especially between the toes.

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One of my old neighors used to have little dog slippers to put on her dog's feet.  I don't knwo where she got them from but maybe you could look into something like that. They might be easier to clean or to just throw away if you needed to.   Then you wouldn't have to worry about your dog tracking germs and stuff throughout your house.
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How do I disinfect my dogs feet?  Is a spray of water and alcohol enough?
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You can buy those at most pet stores or make them with velcro and a material  Making them yourself can be more practical as you can make a bunch cheap from scrap material . 

Getting the dog to wear them good luck.

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There are excellent manufacturers of booties for dogs, I tried making them myself, and it was a hassle, so I decided to buy them.  There are many manufacturers , just type  in your search engine>pets or dog boots lost of choices will come up,you can decide which ones are best for your dog.--they even have heavy duty ones for extreme conditions--
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Originally posted by Gwyphn Gwyphn wrote:

"Does anyone know if canned pet food is cooked first to kill viruses."

The canning processes requires high temperatures.

Don't forget some dog breeds need the fibre they get by chewing sticks. That is why Golden Retreivers sample everybody's mulch when they go for a walk.

 

Definitely no flu viruses survive the canning process!

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I have a gecko.  I've got plenty of worms to feed her with right now, and worms can be bred if they have to be. 

 

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I run an animal rescue in New England and have had to revise our policies and procedures concerning the outdoor activities of the dogs in our care.

For years I have been scrutinizing commercial pet food and how its contents are prepared. I had just lost a cat and my niece, her dog to puzzling disorders. They simply, all of a sudden, failed to thrive. I came across a book about rendering plants and the three "d's", diseased, dying and dead animals that are shipped off to rendering plants which make pet food. So "byproducts" that are listed in the ingredients on the package are actually whatever can be rendered out of what ever animal goes into the "mix".  I did not need to read much further for it to make sense. I spread the word and found the local stores starting to carry those hard to find "premium" pet foods. I told them that all of our clientele would be referred to their stores to purchase the recommended brands. Our town food co-op carries Wellness now and the feed stores are doing a bang up business with Wellness, Wysong, Merrick as well as some others.

When the store is out of it, we prepare our own from organic foods. I have long been a believer in adding chicken soup to the treatment protocol for upper respiratory infections in cats. I use a Martha Stuart quick trick of pouring the broth in ice cube trays and microwave-melting the "dose", and serving it up. In cats with severe congestion the first few sips may need to be helped with an eyedropper.

We called Perdue chicken today about the concerns we have, because we sometimes feed their chicken to our critters. They assured us that their chicken growers keep their birds in a safe environment.  I will be considering changing over to bison, since we have a couple local farmers raising and selling it in the small local butcher shops. It may provide some peace of mind just the same.

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Rivendellpets, welcome aboard. Your knowledge will be very much appreciated.

I have a question for you: i used to be involved with a Feline Rescue Group and as a result, now have 13 cats, all inside in their own two rooms. Somebody suggested galrlic/brewers yeast as a flea treatment, but I don't know the proper dosage or what kind of garlic. Are we talking regular garlic powder? Any information?? TIA

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I know there are brewers yeast tabs for dogs but I have not used them for cats. The feral colony we have here has not had any fleas yet and they are here over 1 year. Lucky I guess. One way of controlling it is using Advantage on them when they go for their annual ck up and vacs.

 

I stopped using chemical pesticides on all my guys. The chemicals can cause cancer after about 8-10 years of use. They get away with selling the products because statistically pets don't live that long anyway. Well, ours usually live far beyond 10 years. My German Shepherd is 16 and still has a hearty appetite. I just comb them everyday in the summer, looking for bugs. Our cats stay inside and the dogs are outside for excerise  and then spend the rest of their time indoors in the summer. Flies, fleas and ticks carry too many bad diseases these days to indulge in outdoor lounging. It is unfortunate. But we have screened areas for sun and fresh air. .......I would ask a vet about a dosage of Brewers Yeast for cats.

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We have three dogs.  Two are penned in good weather while we work and one is primarily an inside dog.  What I plan to do is screen in my front porch, just to give them a place to go when I have to get them out from underfoot. 
We have also been planning on building some sort of deck in our backyard.  They just have a fenced pen at the back of the property now.  So what we're going to do is the basic framing, just like we were building a back deck, but leave the base grass, cheap plastic covering for the roof, and wire the whole area in.  That way the dogs can go outside when they need to, no birds can come in, and no droppings can fall into the area.

I'm doing this regardless of whether or not H2H transmission becomes an issue.  Since dogs and cats can be exposed and die and/or carry this monster, even such basic things as how you keep your pets needs to be addressed.


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Bird DOO 

 
cut paste a portion of this article:
"Transmission: Feces (manure) are the most important source of avian influenza virus. Following infection a bird that recovers from the illness will pass live virus for 7 to 14 days and occasionally up to four weeks. High moisture and low temperatures will keep the virus alive up to several months when the conditions are ideal. Anything that can walk, crawl, fly or roll can transmit the virus from one place to another, and is probably the way it has been spread from one farm to another in Asia. It is probably the principal method of spread by wild birds to domestic flocks. Airborne infection can occur but aside from confined flocks is probably rather rare. Eggs and dead birds are quite infectious and must be handled with care.

Disinfection: Avian influenza virus is exceedingly sensitive to heat, drying, and almost all commonly used disinfectants. Heating a chicken house to over 90 degrees Fahrenheit will kill the virus in three hours. Drying the litter will kill the virus. Any detergent, formaldehyde, bleach, ammonia, all sorts of acids, iodine containing solutions are effective and reliable methods of killing the virus."
 
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I dont know about you all but my dog loves stinky rotten stuff, loves to roll in it, sniff it, eat it,  etc.  She's not going out - she's tiny 7 lbs., paper trained.
I cannot believe they have not warned folks especially those with retrievers.  Instead they worry about the poultry industry and $'s.
 

 
 
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hi Bannor,
 
Is it possible to keep the cats inside now?  We do.  I think if the ladies really like the cats...it may make you unpopular if you do them in.
 
You do have a point if it becomes unsafe ie you can't keep them from trying to get out, we open the windows on the porch for ours.
 
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by jackson jackson wrote:

I wanted to post this but first I'd like to say that I am NOT a vet so PLEASE talk to your vet about this first:
My sister has a dog that has been sick for a little while and has lost some weight. Even though he is about 6 years old, the vet told her that it was OK to buy the dog "puppy chow" for a while becuase it is higher in calories and it might help him to gain weight back. (I am sure that there may be better alternatives than this, but that's what the vet told her she could do if she wanted to. Her dog is recovering and will be fine but my sister said he did lose some weight and she was concerned about that)

If there is pandemic and pet owners have difficulty buying enough pet food, maybe it might be a good idea to consider buying some Puppy or Kitten food (even if you have an adult pet)  to help your pet maintain his or her weight , especially if you don't have as much food available as your pet normally would eat.
Like I said, I am not a vet, so this may not be good advice. My sister just told me that her vet said it has extra calories and I thought that if animals are not able to eat as much as they are used to , they may lose weight and having this higher calories food may help them to maintain their weight for a while.
 
Good Point! I am not a vet either but it is true that puppy and kitten food has been supplemented more so than adult dog/cat food. The reason is so that the puppies/kittens get the vital nutrients that they need in the first year of their lives. I also know that store bought pet foods are the worst you can buy. Sorry to bear bad news but there is a reason it is so much cheaper than the pet stores. All those store-bought foods are so high in grains that your pets are lucky if they are getting even half of the recommended daily allowance of meats and proteins so vital to their good health. I bought some really great dog food (TimberWolf Organics) several months ago on the recommendation of the gals at my local pet store. Yes...It was a bit more expensive but the good part is this...My dog and cats eat far less food than they did before (when they we eating Science Diet and Eukanuba) because there are no fillers or grains in this food (if there is it is VERY little). Needless to say I have oticed a dramatic difference in their enrgy levels, their coats, and skin, and overall health. They are all eating less because they don't need to fill up on all those fillers and by-products. This dog and cat food is really the best. My dog (part chow...lots of har!!) hardly sheds anymore and the cats fur (all three of them) is softer and silkier with less shedding too. Anyway, I guess I kind of got off track a little but thought I saw an in to recommend (HIGHLY) a great food that may skimp on the amount of food your pets consume because it is such high quality. Like I said it is more expensive at the register but I am sure it will be much less expensive in the long run if it helps keep them strong and healthy and last longer because they don't have to stuff themselves ith grains and fillers. Believe me. if TSHTF, my animals will be sharing small rations of our rice too so they'll get that grain anyway.
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Originally posted by steve 101 steve 101 wrote:

have you considered getting in rice and pasta for the dogs. Its bulky so fills them up and provides calories. It is the protein bit that may be a problem  Anyone any ideas please for the protein.  And if you could freeze some beef fat straight off the cow that also provides energy

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I [posted a reply about a great dog food that is loaded with meats and vegetables and has hardly any grains in it. The only problem with feeding them rice and pasta is that yes it fills them up but they get so little nutrients from it. They are not like us with regards to metabolizing caloric intake from cabohydrates. Too many carbs in pets can cause all kinds of maladies (heart problems, kidney damage, obesity, etc., etc.,). Cats and dogs (cats more so) are primarily carnivores and sustain their diet primarily with meats and sometimes a fruit or veggie. This is why most of the pet foods on te market today is considered crap. Because they use so many by-products and fillers from grains and stuff, our pets get so little of what they really need to have a healthy diet. If you cannot feed your animals a completely raw diet (which they would eat in the wild) then resort to feeding them the best food you can get with the highest meat protein and the least amount of fillers, grain or by-products. A good rule of thumb when buying food for your pets is to look at the first 10-15 ingredients. If any of those first ingredients are any type of grain (corn is especially bad because it is hard on their digestive system) then i would suggest checking outother foods. On recommendation from my pet store, the top five pet foods are (In order of quality)
1.) Timberwolf Organics or Innova (tied)
2.) Raw Instinct
3.) Wellness or Old Mother Hubbard (tied)
4.) Royal Canin
5.) Nutro ( I found bugs in the last bag I bought ...Never Again)
 
Well, I hope this has been a little insightful for all of you who have had questions about pet food. I swear by TimberWolf but I have heard alot of great things about Innova and Raw Instinct. The only reason I am hooked on Timberwolf for my pets is because I have found it to have the best results, but I haven't tried Raw Instinct yet. I do give my dog Innova treats thought and she loves them. Good luck to all of you and Happy Tails!
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Originally posted by jackson jackson wrote:

One of my old neighors used to have little dog slippers to put on her dog's feet.  I don't knwo where she got them from but maybe you could look into something like that. They might be easier to clean or to just throw away if you needed to.   Then you wouldn't have to worry about your dog tracking germs and stuff throughout your house.
 
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I posted this in another thread but I thought I would share it with you. I made dog boots out of baggies (cut off the ziploc) and then secured them on her feet with baby or toddler socks. You can buy toddler socks/booties that have non skid on the bottom. Also, when it is time to bring your dog in, just remove the baby booties and drop them in some bleach water to be reused again and throw the baggies (lining) away. Next time it is time for your dog to go out just put a new pair of baggies over his/her paws and secure them with clean baby booties. I plan on doing this every time my dog goes out when TSHTF. It is better to do too much than not enough when keeping those you love (even pets) safe from harm.
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Originally posted by Femvet Femvet wrote:

Rivendellpets, welcome aboard. Your knowledge will be very much appreciated.

I have a question for you: i used to be involved with a Feline Rescue Group and as a result, now have 13 cats, all inside in their own two rooms. Somebody suggested galrlic/brewers yeast as a flea treatment, but I don't know the proper dosage or what kind of garlic. Are we talking regular garlic powder? Any information?? TIA

 
 
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I am not familiar with using Brewer's Yeast although I know it can be good for flea treatment, yet I am familiar with Garlic and it DOES work. My vet told me to give them small amounts of a minced clove of garlic as the quickest method. Although, getting my cats to swallow it at first was a hassle, now I wrap a little piece of pure garlic inside a small piece of a Kraft single. They gobble it up and we have been able to ward off any flea infestations. Last summer it was very hot and we managed to make it through with two flea treatmens (Frontline) and the rest of the time we kept it at bay by using garlic. Just be sure that if you do give them garlic, not to give them too much (they suffer from gastro upsets and heartburn from too much just like we do.) I usually give my cats a small piece of minced garlic or two and I give my dog (75lbs) a half of a clove. Goodluck.
Please let me know if you have any suggestions for me as well. I think sometimes I worry more about my pets if TSHTF than I do about my hubby and myself!! LOL!
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Originally posted by GrizzlyGirl GrizzlyGirl wrote:

 Jackson,
I posted this in another thread but I thought I would share it with you. I made dog boots out of baggies (cut off the ziploc) and then secured them on her feet with baby or toddler socks. You can buy toddler socks/booties that have non skid on the bottom. Also, when it is time to bring your dog in, just remove the baby booties and drop them in some bleach water to be reused again and throw the baggies (lining) away. Next time it is time for your dog to go out just put a new pair of baggies over his/her paws and secure them with clean baby booties. I plan on doing this every time my dog goes out when TSHTF. It is better to do too much than not enough when keeping those you love (even pets) safe from harm.



Thank you! It sounds like a really good idea. I've been stocking up on dog food and other supplies over the past few months. Also, my neighbors have a dog and they don't believe there will be a pandemic. (I've discussed it with them on numerous occassions, and they believe that they will be able to run out to Walmart and get all the food and water they need as soon as there is a case of bird flu in the United States. Nothing I say can change their mind).  Their dog is so sweet and she comes over to my house a lot, so I have been stocking  up on pet food for my pets and for their dog as well.

I'm going to try the pet food you recommended.  Can you tell me which stores sell it?


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