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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Technophobe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2020 at 4:21am

SheriAnne

I can't apologise for FluMom, but I can for not managing to prevent her outburst.

I am sorry that bit of nastiness was there for you to read.  It was offensive, divisive and racist.  I appologise again.

Although I can't in any way condone her language, I believe FluMom spoke in the  'heat of the moment' and I do not presume to fully understand all the underlying drives which prompted her to do it, maybe even against her own better judgement.  From the other side of the racial divide it can be hard to understand the deep hurt a 'throway line' can cause.  Her choice of words was abhorrent; that does not mean she, herself is.  She has been reprimanded.  Please could we now forgive and move on?

Please also forgive me for my failure to prevent it.  I am truly sorry.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WillobyBrat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2020 at 5:27am

Oh Dear!

So caucasians do not understand racism, WitchMisspelled?  Let me tell you something, all of you:  I will be 76 years old in a couple of months and I am genetically an Irish celt.  My nation of origin was conquered by the Anglo Saxon English approximately 400 years ago.  We were massacared, forbidden our native language, forbidden our religion, forbidden education and then teased for being stupid, tortued and executed for resistance to our overlords and finally our population was halved by fammine induced by the actions of the  British rulers.  In my lifetime, I have been called "Bog Irish", "Effing Paddy", "Thick Mick" and "Bloody cat-lick" (even though I am not one) and repetitavely discriminated against and been confronted with signs saying "No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish"*  When applying for housing and jobs.  Most of my friends are black, brown, oriental and of foreign origin in General. 

I was brought up in New Zealand from a toddler until I was 9 1/2.  I still choke up and get tears in my eyes when I look at news of earthquakes and the recent shootings that happened in Christchurch.  I was forced to lose my New Zealand accent when I came out of the Air Force by my family and circumstance.   My closest friends still call me Kiwi.   My dark skinned friends (Tee Hee) call me Honkey and when the lights came on in the local pub near where I used to live, after a power outage, they screamed and threw their hands over their eyes and made remarks about being blinded by the reflection from my skin.  I got my own back, by telling them to get up off of their lazy arses and get me a pint of Guinness before I had them whipped and sent back to the cotton fields.  

I have put my life on the line for those very men during a tunnel leak where we were working, that could have drowned us all.  When I collapsed at work with an ulcer, it was one of those black friends who picked me up like a child and ran 100 yards to the ambulance with me - UP SEVERAL FLIGHTS OF STAIRS! 

So, It is not what you say that matters.  It is context and intent.  I don't hate the English I do however refer to them as "Saxon Bastards" etc. when their politicians make stupid tactless and uncaring statements, or actions.  Fortunately that is no longer quite so common.

So, lets all thicken our skins up a little and try to behave in a more gentlemanly/ladylike fashion.  As KiwiMum suggested.






* My father became great friends with a black man who found him laughing at this sign outside a rooming house. 

 "What is so funny about that? asked his future friend.

"I'm Irish.  At least you come before the dog." he replied.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WitchMisspelled Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2020 at 7:17am

WillobyBrat.  What part of "vast majority" do you fail to understand?  Don't put words in my mouth.  It's not something I will tolerate.  

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Thank you all, I appreciate the sentiments. I am glad to know that the elephant in the room has been addressed. I have in my life prided myself on calling out things that I know are wrong, so I’m glad that we can all agree that it was inappropriate.

WillobyBrat, you are condoning blatant racism simply because that’s the way it’s always been. Even if the motive or intent behind it isn’t malicious, the language is still decisive, and it normalizes these words, so it is more casually used in malicious situations.

I’ll never be able to understand the challenges that a person of color has to live through. I do know as a woman, I have been talked over by men, personally and professionally, ignored when I speak only for men to turn around and act as if my idea was theirs. I have been the victim of sexual assault and abuse on more than one occasion. One time I was overpowered in a kitchen when I was 19, pinned down in the floor because I had been flirting with the guy and he thought that was what I wanted. I kept telling him no and finally he listened, but not until he had digitally assaulted me without consent. It physically hurt. I didn’t want it, I told him no, he didn’t listen. He was friends with everyone I was friends with so I had to act like it didn’t bother me to not make anyone else uncomfortable.

Women used to be expected to silently endure these things because men knew better. I couldn’t imagine living back then when it was normalized. When women didn’t get to vote, they didn’t get a say in their lives.

I was raised in a different world and I learned to stand up for what is wrong. I know my experiences are not the same as a person of color, and I don’t know what they have had to endure, but I can be an ally. Something as simple as telling a black person that “they don’t talk like a black person” or “how great you were able to get into a good school” while they sound harmless, like a compliment, they are still perpetuating racism. Just like when I was pinned down on that kitchen floor, I’m sure he doesn’t think of himself as a rapist. He didn’t actually rape me, right? He just shoved his hands down my pants without my consent because he thought he knew what I wanted. He didn’t.

I know this information wasn’t asked for and probably won’t do anything much to help, but we alll need to do our part to make life better for everyone. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Albert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2020 at 10:44am

We're all on the same page around here.   

Flumom tends to be candid, and when upset, and when possibly mixed at *happy hour time*  in this case lol, she made a very bad mistake out of anger.    I'm not convinced she is a racist, but she definitely went WAY overboard in making her point.   We all screw up, and no-doubt this was a very bad one.    I've never known her to be racist, but she is definitely known for saying things to get her point across.    

Having said that, of course there is still no excuse for it, regardless of maybe having a drink and in a bad mood, lol.  That is just speculation on my part.  I know I have said some off-the-wall things after a few too many.  

Anyway - we removed her as Moderator.   FM has also been a valuable member here for many years, and still not convinced she is racist.  We never know the stress each person is going through in life, and sometimes anger and stress boils over and we say things we weren't even close to meaning.   

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote carbon20 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2020 at 2:47pm

I find everybody is a racist in some form or another.

Wether you mock someone because they,are,

 Tall,Short,Fat,Thin,wearing glasses,Bald ,Red hair,Blond hair,Disabled.....

Black,White ,Asian,.....

Some people will always pick on the underdog.....

Mainly because they feel so 

CRAP about their own NONE ,life

And  picking on someone else makes them feel so much better......

We are all a mixture 

Just go and have your DNA tested.

You may be supprised at what you are made of......

After all we all 

APES....some just not evolved as others....

I'd rather be a hybrid,

not and inbred.......














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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

SheriAnne

Although I can't in any way condone her language, I believe FluMom spoke in the  'heat of the moment' and I do not presume to fully understand all the underlying drives which prompted her to do it, maybe even against her own better judgement.  From the other side of the racial divide it can be hard to understand the deep hurt a 'throway line' can cause.  Her choice of words was abhorrent; that does not mean she, herself is.  She has been reprimanded.  Please could we now forgive and move on?

The one voice that's missing here is Flumom's. Everyone else is busy apologising except her. And she really should. I don't accept in the "heat of the moment" as an excuse because if that was the case, then, when she had calmed down, she would have edited her post and removed the racist comment. She didn't do that, nor has she explained herself or apologized. I can't see how we can move on from this until Flumom has accepted responsibility and apologized. If she doesn't then we're all just saying that it's fine and people can get away with it. And that's not right.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote carbon20 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2020 at 3:51pm

Dont hold your breath on that one....

She will never apologise,

never think she is in the wrong......

THAT TAKES A BIG PERSON....

She will disappear......


 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KiwiMum Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 minutes ago at 1:58pm

Carbon, you were absolutely right. No apology and no one else calling for one. Let's just brush it under the carpet and let it go without anyone having to stand up and take responsibility for it. This kind of attitude makes my blood boil and I'm not at all surprised to see the riots in Minneapolis at the moment. For far too long America has allowed racism to live and breathe, and hopefully now they will be called to account. It's unacceptable.

You can't fix stupid.
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The sad truth is that the U.S. hasn't been able to eradicate it since the Civil War.  Further exacerbated by "Blue Entitlement".  No, I am not knocking policemen.  I am deriding the attitude that enables some bad apples among our finest to thrive.


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