"Flu data constipation@CDC:laxative needed."
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Topic: "Flu data constipation@CDC:laxative needed."
Posted By: Guests
Subject: "Flu data constipation@CDC:laxative needed."
Date Posted: February 15 2006 at 1:51pm
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/1005/03natcdc.h tml |
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Posted By: Tired
Date Posted: February 15 2006 at 2:53pm
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Well isnt that lovely?!?!?!?!
------------- Better to be safe than sorry.... |
Posted By: Corn
Date Posted: February 15 2006 at 4:00pm
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------------- Speculation is the only tool we have with a threat that can circle the globe in 30 days. Test results&news is slow.Factor in human conditions,politics, money&bingo!The truth!Facts come after the fact. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 15 2006 at 4:26pm
| So now we have the WHO AND the CDC with-holding important info... this is bad! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 15 2006 at 4:39pm
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I agree this is bad as to Mr Cheney, being Canadian I will withold any comments |
out of respect for the rest of you.Posted By: stardust
Date Posted: February 15 2006 at 6:53pm
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Why in the world would the CDC even consider this? What would they have to gain by witholding info? It's bad enough that I can't convince my friends to take this seriously. Now this? Isn't it interesting that whenever there is something going on of major proportion that our top leaders have their hands in it. This sub-contractor I know is working in Gulf Port, Mississippi, re-building. Guess who signs his checks? Yep, Haliburton. However it's spelled. ------------- "Prepping is Power"! |
Posted By: swankyc
Date Posted: February 15 2006 at 7:28pm
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Gwyphn and Rick, I moved your comments to the "Overly Political comments" thread in the members only forum.
------------- I'm not afraid, I'm paranoid. Dont talk too loud, they are listening. |
Posted By: Fiddlerdave
Date Posted: February 15 2006 at 10:16pm
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Not to be a comspiracy nut, but man! Whether or not there is something they don't want to share right now, the timing is abysmal. I had some trust in the CDC, at least for information (they have no budget or resources to DO much). Not now... ------------- Dave "Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for us"! |
Posted By: Thomas Angel
Date Posted: February 16 2006 at 11:47am
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We can expect the data coming from the Government to be cut off. ------------- I LIKE SCARY RIDES |
Posted By: Corn
Date Posted: February 16 2006 at 12:49pm
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Well , time to go into hiding. ------------- Speculation is the only tool we have with a threat that can circle the globe in 30 days. Test results&news is slow.Factor in human conditions,politics, money&bingo!The truth!Facts come after the fact. |
Posted By: endman
Date Posted: February 16 2006 at 2:13pm
| Did you notice that Bush Adm. allocated 7.5 Bill for bird flu, and only 75 mill to change gov. in Iran. Money talks think about what is more important now. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 13 2006 at 11:44am
http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Science&article=UPI-1-20060313-13580300-bc-who-birdflu.xml - http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Science&artic le=UPI-1-20060313-13580300-bc-who-birdflu.xml |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 13 2006 at 11:46am
I do to!! Finally someone steps up!
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Posted By: Fiddlerdave
Date Posted: March 13 2006 at 12:22pm
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The WHO probably is getting payola to hide strains, from some multinational that wants to patent a virus genome, and also get a lead on the vaccine development. How much could you charge for a effective vaccine as the pandemic spreads? Makes gold prices look like spare change. Pricing drugs undergoes a rather cold calculation of how many people will die without the drug (your "Total Market") versus how many people that will be unable to afford it (and thus die - your "lost sales") as the price gets higher and higher for a greater profit margin. This example is not meant to be a realistic scenario, just the concept. So a vaccine costs $1 to produce (development is trivial, let's say 100 million). 1 billion people need it or die. You could sell it a $2 and almost everyone can afford it, make 1 billion profit on 1 billion sales. But let's say you charge $100 each, only 500 million can afford it. 500 million die, but your profit is $50.4 billion (500 million sales x $100 - 600 million cost to produce). Pharmaceutical CEO's are the highest paid CEO's in any industry (some individuals are in the $150 million+ range). This post is the rather cynical view of its author, and does not reflect the completely altruistic aims of the pharmaceutical industry (as reflected in it's latest ad campaign of "We Care" in the midst of doubling, tripling, and quadrupling prices of long exising drugs)! ------------- Dave "Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for us"! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 7:28am
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Excerpt from Siobhan Robert’s book, King of Infinite Space (excerpt) published off-line March 25. “Policy-makers and scientists creating mathematical models to help prepare for a pandemic don’t communicate well. Even the CDC won’t share information. ---- "Riding the No. 6 bus along a suburban Atlanta Road, one is only gradually drawn to the obvious, a sprawling bunker-like compound known as the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention. All looks calm enough at the CDC. One suspects, however, that high adrenaline days are endemic here, with Nancy Cox, chief of the CDC’s influenza branch, facing a flailing fire hose of requests. And not only media requests( summarily declined), but more important, requests for influenza strains, the data on which preparedness for a pandemic depends. It might be a sign that civilization is doing itself in when the CDC is being accused of hoarding influenza information behind its sturdy gates, as it is faced with the possibility of an influenza pandemic. A headline on a public-health blog, Effect Measure, put the matter succinctly: Flu data constipation at CDC:laxative needed. The CDC, as an institution, is populated by a hybrid of public-health policy-makers and applied scientists. But lately this rarefied clique is causing concern. “ It is hard to get co-operation between CDC and modellers not at the CDC, said Simon Levin, director of the Centre for Bio Complexity at Princeton. “CDC researchers want to publish their results, and therefore don’t share data. Another issue, Prof. Levin said, is persuading policy-makers to act on academic results. “Policy-makers are conservative because there are so many lives at stake” He cited recent controversial and speculative research on optimal vaccination regimes that suggested vaccination every year does not protect as well as vaccination every other year. “But changing that kind of policy involves huge risk. You better be sure,” he said. |