February Prepping 2020
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Topic: February Prepping 2020
Posted By: Guests
Subject: February Prepping 2020
Date Posted: February 01 2020 at 12:20am
| Lol, we are all spending money that is what is going on. Went to Sams and spent 285.00 and Wal-Mart 235.00 and got fill in meds and stuff I might need. A bunch of us are filling in our stores. You must be south Colorado is going in the deep freeze next week so no planting for 4 more months. Glad you are back with us we need you! |
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Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: February 01 2020 at 6:44am
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This week I spent about $200 in Amazon Pantry for things like Peanut Butter, canned goods, crackers, pasta and cereal. General filling in of holes of preps already socked away. Then another $200 on Amazon on Medi-Honey (which I needed anyway), some back up items for use with my Cpap like headgear, hose and extra nasal pillow. Also a 146Wh 42000MaH power station which should be enough to run a Cpap for two nights. It can be recharged with solar panel to run it on if things go really south. I already have the solar panel and couple of other solar chargers for small things like phone, Ipod and tablet. I will stop by the bank today for another $1,000 in small bills to squirrel away in case of emergency and transferred a couple of thousand from savings to my debit card for future purchases. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 01 2020 at 7:19am
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Those of us prepping sensibly with things we will use, should have no extra problems paying for them. I have finished getting my preps in, I still have a pack of goggles in the post to me and have a large credit card bill! But I plan to pay the bill in full in a couple of days and again at the start of next month - Using the money I am not spending going out, or shopping. I have spent years collecting preps when the opportunity arose to get things on the cheap, and used some of them to cut down on expenses so I could build up an even larger 'cheap' store. We may run out of a few things, but have many other to fill the gaps. If life gets too awkward and I can't resist a shop, I will arange to buy online, have it delivered and meet the delivery guy in protective gear. My only remaining risk is friends and family. It is ok at the moment, as the risks are currently tiny, but I am dropping hints before the later draconian measures. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: Lonewolf
Date Posted: February 01 2020 at 8:10am
| Currently stocking some.out of date stuff some not related to the virus like iodine tablets that were expiring. If this virus locks up the ability to order or obtain items at a retailer and a second crises hits i dont want to be vulnerable to the second. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 01 2020 at 8:40am
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I can't see iodine going off. It is an element or simple compound. It can't even rot. In theory it could break down, but that usually takes an outside force, heat, uv radiation, water or other contaminant. What is the packaging like? ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: Lonewolf
Date Posted: February 01 2020 at 9:47am
| Terry Naturally tri-iodine. Best by 12/12. Still sealed. I didnt think it would go off but its pretty old. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 01 2020 at 10:57am
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Supplemental mineral compounds like this remain safe forever! They do lose potency though - a little bit. Minerals are stable in the extreme and however you get it your body will get some. The most effective mineral supplements are chelated (pronounced key-lay-ted as it is a greek word). Chelation makes minerals easier for your cells to absorb. Like the handles on a suitcase, chelation makes minerals easier to transport. But it is the stuff inside the suitcase which is needed and stable. Over time chelation bonds can break, like the handles falling off of an old suitcase. This makes it harder for your body's cells to take the stuff inside, but not impossible. If you need the contents of the suitcase badly enough you will find a way to get it in and your cells do exactly the same. So, better rotated, but when the chips are down not all that important. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: February 01 2020 at 11:17am
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Getting everything in one place is the biggest change I’ve made to my preps. I am pleasantly surprised at what I have now I’ve been able to get an accurate inventory. I grabbed a bunch of N95 masks while they were still on the shelves, knowing I would have family and friends that wouldn’t. I’ll hopefully start getting those to the people that need them this week. I’m updating addresses to make sure they get them. Other than that, it’s just a case of making sure things are accessible, and filling any minor holes that might be a problem later. ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: February 01 2020 at 11:40am
Was it wrong of me to lie to my ophthalmologist saying I had pink eye (he doesn't want you to come for that.. very contagious) so he'd prescribe me Ocumycin and then to my doctor for a prescription steroid cream saying I'd run out?? I just want to have it on hand if and when I have to SIP. 
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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 01 2020 at 12:28pm
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No, pretty smart! ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: February 01 2020 at 1:05pm
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I need extra inhalers for my wife, just in case, so my doctor thinks my asthma (from fifteen years ago) is back. Don’t feel guilty in the least. ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 01 2020 at 1:35pm
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I am going to go get some more mouse bait and a few more rat traps. I think I will also hit Walmart for some final things I was putting off like can soup. I don't use much can soup but will come in handy if I have to SIP. Dang guys I really hope this burns out!!! |
Posted By: Lonewolf
Date Posted: February 01 2020 at 1:50pm
| New shotgun. Coq10. Cod liver oil. Probiotics. 2- 55 gal water barrels. Food. N95 masks. Surgical gloves. |
Posted By: Albert
Date Posted: February 01 2020 at 2:14pm
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Penham - Welcome back. I personally missed you here, lol. You did us a great favor years ago and you're a founding member here. So don't ever leave again. I just ordered Zithromax (Z-pack). Also went to Costco and bought a ton of things. Onward.. ------------- https://www.facebook.com/Avianflutalk |
Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: February 01 2020 at 2:20pm
| I'm not leaving, been following on Facebook. |
Posted By: LCfromFL
Date Posted: February 01 2020 at 3:02pm
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My order of N95 masks came in from Amazon today! It took nearly 2 weeks and a couple of delays, but they finally came in. I was worried that they really wouldn't make it so I've been buying what I could find at Home Depot and Lowe's. I'm feeling good about those now. I picked up some of the clear goggles for my crew - and a few extras for the family members I know that aren't prepping. I convinced my next door neighbor to get some N95s and goggles too because she wasn't prepping. At all. I stocked up on OTC meds for my 2 grandsons - in case they end up here (or if I need to bring it to my daughter's). For folks just starting to prep, pineapple juice is a good thing to add to your supplies. In addition to the natural vitamins, it also contains enzymes called bromelain which are supposed to help with cough and chest congestion. I figure a few cans are a nice addition to our preps. If we don't need them for a SIP event, I'll turn them into pina coladas out by the pool this summer. :) |
Posted By: pheasant
Date Posted: February 01 2020 at 3:06pm
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Been around for a while, know what to do, we always get ready for hurricanes in Florida and they are great for prepper training.(you learn a lot after 10 days with no power or fresh food :) We make it a family affair, bob's, med kits, personal pro packs (little customized pack for the boys) ...always fun to make etc: Fortunately we live on a small farm now , so we feel fairly good about our position. We have goats, and usually a few pigs chickens etc: I spent some for updates, and just need a few more small items. For those looking, watch for the Walmart .50-.88 canned goods I bagged 100+ cans of veggies, beans,canned potatoes,soups, canned pasta (Still have kids at home) and some really good stuff super cheap. I always two tier prep, high quality stocks for first tier, and quantity second tier.....so cheap canned goods, and rice flour etc: For those first timers...cheap canned goods are your friend, last forever, just buy stuff you would normally eat, and don't forget about breakfast meals! I have seen folks come and say "my hubby gives me a hard time buying extra or stocking up, but I'm concerned etc:)......well 10-20 lb bag of rice and $75 of extra canned goods, 100-150 cans(right priced ones) of 10.5 -15oz = 98lbs of decent edible food not counting the rice can save your bacon, and also make you feel better. Anyway I'll get off my soapbox and say thank you to AFT and especially Albert for keeping it up for all of us, I'm in a much better position than when i joined back when, and feel safer and MUCH more informed....thank you all. ------------- The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself......FDR |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 01 2020 at 3:38pm
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Hey I am on a Keto diet and I plan on donating any can food I do not use to the homeless. I hope I do not have to use anything that this just goes away. However that being said the common cold coronavirus has never gone away like Albert said we may have a total change in our lives from now on. |
Posted By: quietprepr
Date Posted: February 01 2020 at 3:42pm
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Well, spending money is the order of the day! I have added several more cases of freeze drieds, rotated my can goods and added to them as well. I already was stocked up on N95's after the fires here last year so I went ahead and splurged on the CBRN gas masks I have been eyeing for some time. Well stocked on defensive items, but some extra ammo never hurts either. QP ------------- "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival." - W. Edwards Deming |
Posted By: hoosiermom22
Date Posted: February 02 2020 at 5:45am
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Pulled out the old trusty dehydrator after a couple years in storage, bleached and disinfected it. (honestly forgot about it until this week). Now to start, hopefully, a new batch of dehydrated fruits and veggies every 12 hours. Start a new batch before/after work. Great videos on YouTube series “Dehydrate2store” also printed off some of the hosts recipes using dried ingredients. Have tapped the bank for most preps (that are no doubt from China, couple crank radios with phone charger adaptor), quality dehydrated meats in #10 cans, peanut butter, or I cannot substitute (meds). Dehydrating is more economical. My plan is to buy large bags of potatoes, carrots, apples (don’t forget the lemon juice), leaf spinach and start the second round of preps. If you can buy, borrow, find a used dehydrator, I like an Excalibur. Or even a cheaper round tray style from Walmart model, you can dehydrate up to 10+ lbs of fresh cubed foods that will last 20 years in jars (not exposed to light) every 12 hours. You can also dehydrate things like frozen bags of peas and corn (on sale for $1 lb right now). Added these extras to rice, beans or oats it could stretch your preps (and add flavor). https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QxVpIHre2ao" rel="nofollow - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QxVpIHre2ao |
Posted By: KiminNM
Date Posted: February 02 2020 at 7:37am
You just talked me into a dehydrator! omg my poor credit card. lol I got a small round style because I have very little room. Only $50. But since I just discovered banana chips but hate the oil and sugar added, I figure it will pay for itself. Thanks for posting this! |
hoosiermom22 wrote:Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: February 02 2020 at 7:46am
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Kim, don't forget the mason jars and oxygen absorbers. This way your dried fruit won't oxidize. |
Posted By: hoosiermom22
Date Posted: February 02 2020 at 10:14am
| Kim NM- the bananas aren’t alway as crisp as the commercial ones because those are fried. However, these are great for banana bread, pancakes and oatmeal. For long term storage you can use Mylar bags and o2 absorbers, but for up to 5+ years canning jars (sterilized) and fruit that is 95% dehydrated the 02 absorbers can be skipped. Baby carrots are my favorite, super easy, steam and spread out. Please watch those videos, she’s the most practical instructor. She practiced using her dehydrated foods as a part of her normal routine. |
Posted By: KiminNM
Date Posted: February 02 2020 at 10:58am
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Thanks for the info! I love bananas in oatmeal, so will be happy if that's the main use! I was thinking I could use my vacuum sealer for dehydrated stuff - and I don't have the intention to store long term. Any reason that wouldn't work? I haven't used it in years and have a ton of resealable bags for it. Much cheaper than buying tiny little bags of dehydrated fruit! Driving home I realized I could dehydrate the dozen bags of cranberries I have in the freezer, giving me much needed space. :-) Also, I often end up not using fresh stuff I've purchased because I ran out of energy, so I figure this gives me a great way to save it before it goes bad. Yes, I will watch videos! |
Posted By: hoosiermom22
Date Posted: February 02 2020 at 11:14am
| Yes, I have a vacuum sealer also that I used to do 20 lbs of banana chips in when bananas were on sale for 0.29 cents a lbs! Those were the days. Lol. I think it could be a baby food option also for those with babes. |
Posted By: hachiban08
Date Posted: February 02 2020 at 12:15pm
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I have a dehydrator too. I usually make jerky with it for my hikes, but maybe I'll finally use it for some fruits and veggies. As for me, I utilized Costco's sale on TP,and have been picking up other household items. Grabbed some OTC as well. ------------- Be prepared! It may be time....^_^v |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 02 2020 at 12:38pm
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Well just finished my next to last run to Sams. Only have 1 big item left and really just something that would make life easier but not necessary. I have spent another 250.00 at Home Depot on Fire Extinguishers and other items I would need to seal up the house. Only thing left is more plywood. Will get that if things really look bad here. Other than that I am ready to SIP any time. Hope I have to donate a lot of these can goods to the homeless. |
Posted By: hoosiermom22
Date Posted: February 02 2020 at 2:17pm
Great reminder- not only plywood but a couple back up quality hammers and long nails. Plywood and more security ideas. I think after joining AFT initially 10 years ago, and now this, I will continue to invest in #10 cans regularly if we dodge this bullet. I had fell off the prep bandwagon after the H5N1 risk decreased. There’s no way I can prep for more than a month for my family. This has been a reawakening a bit.Thanks to all the support and inspiration to everyone here on AFT. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 02 2020 at 2:39pm
| Hey people here have lot of good ideas and we are happy to help everyone...just ask or in my case just watch my posts I tell everything. |
Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: February 02 2020 at 9:36pm
| It was 80 degrees today and Wednesday we will have snow. So tomorrow after work I will cut all my spinach. Hopefully have a snow day off work and can continue my inventory. |
Posted By: hoosiermom22
Date Posted: February 03 2020 at 4:17am
| Steramine tablets guys! These tablets come in a 150 tab/bottle for less than $5 on Amazon right now. One tablet per gallon of water used to disinfect surfaces. Long term storage and much cheaper than bleach. Kills MRSA, H.I.V., used in hospitals etc. might be a really cheap prep to use when out of bleach. You could purchase a new hand pump weed sprayer to cover larger areas like floors, garage floors, tiles, entrance ways etc. Label states safe for food equipment surfaces I believe. (No time to do much more research this morning) but it may go quickly. |
Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: February 03 2020 at 5:00am
| Great info, hoosiermom! |
Posted By: KiminNM
Date Posted: February 03 2020 at 8:36am
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I've thought of posting this the past couple of days but kept forgetting. Some of you might want to add some Boost Oxygen in a can. I have asthma, migraines, and anxiety, and have used this for just over a year. (It's marketed as a sports supplement, and for use at high elevation for altitude sickness) It has helped me SO much. It works for all 3, but I use it mostly when my asthma is flared up, and my pulse ox drops to 88-90. A few inhalations will bring it up to 92 or 93, and that's enough for my body to get out of panic mode. And that's often enough to stop the asthma flareup spiral. With migraines it buys me time to finish what I'm doing and/or get home, or takes it from incapacitating to able to function. And it's been a life saver the past month when I had bronchitis - after a bout of coughing I'd take an inhalation and it would help calm things down. Places to buy: Amazon, of course, but they're not the cheapest. Large cans at Big 5 Sporting Goods for $15, in store only. They frequently have 20% off coupons so you can get it for $12, and it's on their one day sale list for $12 at least a couple times a month. CVS sells the medium size, both in store and online. Local pharmacies and REI carry it. Looks like even Walmart might carry it now. Here for info and 'find a store'. https://www.boostoxygen.com/store/?gclid=Cj0KCQiApt_xBRDxARIsAAMUMu_wX7H44CGpgd3gInGtlfGxJkM2vAkiyfCJnR6UgEMELt4I-0HPzPsaAgZlEALw_wcB " rel="nofollow - https://www.boostoxygen.com/store/?gclid=Cj0KCQiApt_xBRDxARIsAAMUMu_wX7H44CGpgd3gInGtlfGxJkM2vAkiyfCJnR6UgEMELt4I-0HPzPsaAgZlEALw_wcB ; |
Posted By: hoosiermom22
Date Posted: February 03 2020 at 8:52am
| THANK YOU. This is great for some time off and on. I have a child with asthma (when flares occur it’s very bad) and I definitely need this on hand. How far out are expiration dates typically? |
Posted By: KiminNM
Date Posted: February 03 2020 at 10:26am
No expiration date, a quick Google search shows oxygen doesn't expire. I imagine over enough time it may leak out of the bottle??? But each bottle comes sealed, so I'd think it'd be good indefinitely. |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: February 03 2020 at 11:49am
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I have one of those pulse oximeters. Its the thing you put on your finger and it tells you your pulse, oxygen levels etc. It's very useful in critical care and could certainly help you gauge whether you need to get someone to hospital or can continue to care for them at home. They are cheap. I think I paid about $35 for it. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. |
Posted By: KiminNM
Date Posted: February 03 2020 at 12:40pm
YES, Pulse Oximeters are wonderful to have. Gives you a quick way to monitor your stats, and if you see them dropping you know you need intervention of some sort. Mine was even cheaper than yours - you can get them as inexpensive as $12-$20 on Amazon, or more if you want a professional one. FWIW, I took my cheap one in to my doctor after I bought it, put hers and mine on at the same time, and within a minute they both matched. Mine does seem to take a bit longer to stabilize at the correct reading. Actually, I rely on it SO much I may get another one, because I would be out of luck without it. Scenario: I'm dizzy and feel like crap - pulse ox reads 89 = OH, that's why.<take asthma meds> Scenario: My throat and chest feel tight, and it's a little hard to breathe. Pulse ox reads 94 = I'm fine, it's most likely anxiety. <treats anxiety> ALSO, everyone should strongly consider a blood pressure monitor. If you have high blood pressure you probably have one already, but during a pandemic if someone gets sick it's important to track their blood pressure amongst all the other things. I use a wrist one because it's so easy to use. Reports will say they're not as accurate, but my Omron has been incredibly accurate. |
Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: February 03 2020 at 1:05pm
| Blood pressure monitor is a good thing to have. I have two of them and a stethoscope. Today at lunch I went and stocked up on HBA supplies: shampoo, cotton balls, q-tips, toothpaste, that sort of thing. |
Posted By: KiminNM
Date Posted: February 03 2020 at 5:53pm
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I completely forgot about stocking up on the handful of homeopathics I use. Arnica, one for eye strain, and 2 for migraines. 🤦 I did remember topical pain meds: a roll-on, and Salonpas patches which work great. For muscular pain they are amazing. |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: February 03 2020 at 8:55pm
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Good idea on blood pressure monitor. I've just ordered one. I already have a stethescope. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. |
Posted By: KiminNM
Date Posted: February 04 2020 at 4:59pm
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Link to a 4 page PDF with photos identifying how to identify if a dented can is safe to eat or should be thrown out. If you have canned food in your preps I think this would be good to print out and keep with it. Also good to have with you if you're buying a large amount of canned goods. A Guide to Evaluating Dented Cans (with photos) https://www.weldgov.com/UserFiles/Servers/Server_6/File/Departments/Health%20and%20Environment/Enrivonmental%20Health/Food%20Safety%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.weldgov.com/UserFiles/Servers/Server_6/File/Departments/Health%20and%20Environment/Enrivonmental%20Health/Food%20Safety%20 (for%20Regulated%20Facilities)/About/Dented%20Can%20Handout.pdf |
Posted By: Lonewolf
Date Posted: February 05 2020 at 11:02am
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Since death from coronavirus is by pneumonia I am stocking up on zinc acetate and vita D. Below are a few links as to why https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2854541/" rel="nofollow - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2854541/ low zinc status (commonly reported in the elderly) impairs immune function, decreases resistance to pathogens, and is associated not only with increased incidence and duration of pneumonia, . . ., but also with increased overall mortality in the elderly https://manwardpress.com/topics/know-how/zinc-acetate-fight-cold-flu-season/" rel="nofollow - https://manwardpress.com/topics/know-how/zinc-acetate-fight-cold-flu-season/ What you want to look for is zinc acetate. It’s the most effective and useful form of zinc. The current recommended daily allowance of zinc is 11 milligrams (mg) per day. But to keep the immune system working at its highest level and stave off viruses, 25 to 50 mg makes sense. Especially if you’re working from a deficiency. But too much zinc can have the exact opposite results. End quote |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 05 2020 at 11:22am
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You are spot on there. Zinc acetate is a chelated form of zinc. The acetate is one of the 'handles' the body's cells use to take minerals in. Sadly, here in the UK thanks to the EU it is illegal to sell zinc acetate as it has not undergone a full set of drug trials. D, is the vitamin most required to control the immune system. C arms your trops but D tells them whom to shoot. Without D you even get 'friendly fire' ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 05 2020 at 11:34am
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You do have to be a bit careful with too much zinc. The zinc and copper in your body have to be in ballance. Too much zinc and insufficient copper can lead to aneurisms, too much copper and not enough zinc can lead to atherosclerosis. 7 parts copper to 10 or 11 parts zinc seems to be optimun. If you have supplements as seperate pills, take them 2 hours appart, as they can interfere in each others absorbtion, well some (possibly over the top) advisers think so. Although, personally, I don't believe the timing that important. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: Lonewolf
Date Posted: February 05 2020 at 1:43pm
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Thanks. Currently i am drinking water i distill then add trace minerals and other substances like veggies to it. Not sure how much copper is in the trace though. Also thinking of now adding another basic mineral supement to it as well. Suppose I should check the copper amount I am drinking before taking a zinc supplement. Good info. Thanks Wouldnt happen to know of a good liquid mineral supplement would you? |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 05 2020 at 2:49pm
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Because of repressive EU law, mineral supplements mostly vanished off of our shelves a couple of years back. I understand the nutrition, but have no idea of what is available in the USA. Sorry! ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: Lonewolf
Date Posted: February 05 2020 at 4:05pm
| Wow! |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 05 2020 at 5:18pm
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One of many good reasons for leaving! ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: Pandemic
Date Posted: February 06 2020 at 9:54am
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Ive just discovered that i can by hand sanitizer liquid online, in bulk. Free delivery. Ive bought 10 litres which is a fraction of the cost, compared to the little bottles; and you can refill the hand bottles for travel, etc. Always useful. They say they supply hospitals. If you like i can keep you posted about quality, efficacy, etc, when it arrives !!!?? |
Posted By: KiminNM
Date Posted: February 06 2020 at 9:59am
Yes please! There's also this option if anyone runs out: https://www.wikihow.com/Make-Gel-Alcohol-Hand-Sanitizer?fbclid=IwAR1RFx55E4CjdOd5lagEbSg8jsN35BtyqmhwYTP9FT3_xGCiRAyJCRqdIcU" rel="nofollow - https://www.wikihow.com/Make-Gel-Alcohol-Hand-Sanitizer?fbclid=IwAR1RFx55E4CjdOd5lagEbSg8jsN35BtyqmhwYTP9FT3_xGCiRAyJCRqdIcU |
Posted By: Pandemic
Date Posted: February 06 2020 at 10:06am
| Thats good. Amazing what you can do at home !. |
Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: February 06 2020 at 10:52am
| I got frozen bread dough and canned fruit yesterday. |
Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: February 06 2020 at 11:02am
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Spent the afternoon making apple chutney out of bought apples. However, this batch should last us until and beyond the next apple harvest at our current usage. It might not last so long if we are reduced to regular rice meals. With the amount of vinegar I've had some jars that have lasted over a year. |
Posted By: ME163
Date Posted: February 07 2020 at 5:42am
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Ok, got food, water and fun stuff. Going to get the pantry set up again. Got more canned food and some freeze dried stuff. Need to activate emergency plan and get things moving. Need to buy coffee and some spirits. got some masks. get some more stuff. |
Posted By: Lonewolf
Date Posted: February 07 2020 at 6:20am
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In case sewers or water stops functioning one would need a stack of 5gal buckets with sealable lids. They actually make toilet seats for these. |
Posted By: Lonewolf
Date Posted: February 07 2020 at 6:22am
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Also air fans with hepa filters rolls of black plastic and duct tape can make rooms with positive or negative pressure. To take care of the sick or protect yourself (Things the readydotgovpamdemic web site doesnt tell you) |
Posted By: BabyCat
Date Posted: February 07 2020 at 8:20am
| interesting, Lonewolf, one would attach a HEPA filter to the fan, cut a hole for it in the plastic, blow fan outside to create negative pressure (protective for inside) v. inside (protective for those outside, like a caregiver)? What kind of HEPA filters/fan combo could do this? |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: February 07 2020 at 2:21pm
I think you'd be safer digging a long drop if you have a garden. I wouldn't want to be storing bags of human waste under normal circumstances let alone in an emergency situation. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 07 2020 at 3:35pm
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Deep hole and cat liter. Moveable tent or shed on top. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: FluMom
Date Posted: February 07 2020 at 4:01pm
| I agree with a deep hole and cat liter or ashes from fireplace, what I am planning on using. No one believes that we will be out of water or sanitary facility in our homes I hope!!! I have planned for that but hope it will never happen. |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: February 07 2020 at 4:21pm
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You can just use earth from the heap next to the hole in the ground. The whole eastern side of Christchurch city did that after the earthquakes in 2011. There were no hygiene issues either, despite it being high summer. Many people here still use long drops at their holiday homes. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: February 07 2020 at 4:21pm
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Flumom, save your woodashes for making soap or for fertilizing your fruit bushes. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. |
Posted By: Lonewolf
Date Posted: February 07 2020 at 5:14pm
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Deep holes pollute groumd water. If the pamdemic is short lived you only create more problems down the road Not to mention the well you dug for your drinking water. I wouldnt advise advising people to dig a hole without specifying the requirements at least. And there is nothing wrong with sealable buckets short term. Very sanitary |
Posted By: FluMom
Date Posted: February 07 2020 at 5:22pm
| Kiwimum, not fruit bushes still thinking about doing that one. Making soap I have a lot of soap put a way so I do not have to make it!!! LOL, I hope we do not have to SIP that long! |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: February 07 2020 at 8:57pm
We're only talking a long drop to serve you and your immediate family, not the whole town. There really won't be enough in it to pollute anything. Here is a NZ government website telling you how to do it. It's common practice here and we've all survived its effects. In fact one of my children has just returned from a scout camp into the wilds that that's all they used. https://www.health.govt.nz/your-health/healthy-living/emergency-management/protecting-your-health-emergency/during-emergency/making-temporary-toilet-or-long-drop" rel="nofollow - https://www.health.govt.nz/your-health/healthy-living/emergency-management/protecting-your-health-emergency/during-emergency/making-temporary-toilet-or-long-drop ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. |
Posted By: Lonewolf
Date Posted: February 08 2020 at 8:58am
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One must be careful not to contaminate groundwater and also here in the u s there may be state and city regulations prohibiting outhouses or outdoor latrines. (I would hate to be pulled from my SIP for building one.) That said if you live in a place where they work and have the ability to dig one its most likely a good solution. Probably the best solution for the rest of us would be buying a compsting toilet. Many are available amd from what I hear are quite a good option One thing about it. If this virus peters out by July. I will be well stocked and prepared for the next event. |
Posted By: FluMom
Date Posted: February 08 2020 at 9:53am
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I really do not think if we have to use outdoor latrines anyone will be pulled from their homes, cops will be too busy with real crimes. |
Posted By: Lonewolf
Date Posted: February 08 2020 at 10:32am
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I would rather draw the least amount of attention i could if i sip during a time when people are desperate. But thats just me. As i said there are different options for different circumstances. Thats all. From Wikipedia Unlike pit latrines, composting toilets convert feces into a dry, odorless material, avoiding the issues surrounding liquid fecal sludge management (e.g. odor, insects and disposal). These toilets minimize the risk of water pollution through the safe containment of feces in above-ground vaults, which allows the toilets to be sited in locations where pit-based systems are not appropriate. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composting_toilet" rel="nofollow - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composting_toilet All I am saying is there are different options. If you are only staying in an area for 2 weeks before bugging out to a new location a couple 5 gal sealable buckets will work. If you are in a location that a latrine wont cause problems with city and state groundwater safety regs, (for the health and safety of us all), that will work. If you are staying longer and niether of those options work for obvious health and safety reasons, a composting toilet will work. Why is this so hard to understand? |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: February 08 2020 at 1:06pm
Also you are highly unlikely to build one on your front lawn are you? You'd be discreet about it. Lonewolf, the people of the Eastern suburbs in Christchurch used them for 7 or 8 months and they were all fine. When we say long drop we're only talking 2 feet deep. At that shallow depth, feces compost naturally. My grandad used to tip their toilet bucket into a long trench in his veg garden that was a foot deep. He start at one end and then cover it with soil and work his way along. The next growing season he put his runner beans over that trench and he always got a good crop. Compare that to *****ting in a plastic bag in a bucket. The stench will be unbearable about 2 hours in, and it would be an anaerobic sess pit of bacteria and rot. I'm no doctor but opening that bucket to go again would be really hazardous to your health, not least from the wave of ammonia that you'd inhale. I know all the books say double line a bucket with bags etc but how are you going to dispose of it after the event? If you're SIP then you'll have to deal with it at some point. Once society starts to return to normal it'll take time for services to get get up and running properly again and in the meantime you've got a house or yard full of fermenting bags of pee and poop. Not nice. Btw, we lived with composting toilets for 8 years while we were building out our house and they worked great but we made our own out of buckets with sawdust. We composted it all on site and then used it in our garden. It was a great solution. But if you don't have the materials then the long drop is the next best idea. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. |
Posted By: FluMom
Date Posted: February 08 2020 at 1:16pm
| I agree with you KiwiMum I have always planned on a long drop if needed. I eve purchased a hand post hole digger for this purpose. I have a place in my back yard where I will lift up a 18x18 paver dig the hole use it cover with dirt and paver then go to the next paver do it again. Hope we do not get that bad. Oh I have a sm storage shed to give privacy just have to figure out how to weight it down. Just got an idea. |
Posted By: Lonewolf
Date Posted: February 08 2020 at 1:29pm
| I really dont care what christchurch did. Where i live the water table is about 5ft down. Certain cities have these regulations for health reasons. As i said i don't mind latrines if they are feasable. It all depends on your circumstances 5gal sealable buckets dont smell with the lid on. And you all are just at this point being argumentative without any justifiable reason besides you can because your on the internet and for some reason people get like that when it has no repercussions. Hope people in towns like mine dont take to sh***ing in a hole and contaminating our ground water and surrounding wells . . All i did was mention a toilet. Some found an opporunity to use it in a stinky way. Im done with this subject |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: February 08 2020 at 1:37pm
| FYI... We were taught never to plant things like tubers or carrots in human compost for the first season. Always an above ground crop. Then after that you can plant anything you wish. |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: February 08 2020 at 1:58pm
Keep your hair on! this is a discussion forum. I'm not attacking you personally. We all get to discuss stuff on here citing our own experiences and knowledge and that's what make it so interesting and informative. I learn from these people every day. It's great. No offence intended. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. |
Posted By: Lonewolf
Date Posted: February 08 2020 at 2:08pm
| Whatever. I know what was said and im done with it. I know there are good people here. Met a few. Others seem a little over. But thats society anyways. I really doubt this virus will last beyond may or june anyways. No reason for anyone to get stupid about it all. At least not at this point. And if anyone pollutes the groundwater in my home town i will call the police. Im sure my neighbors will as well not to mention holding them responsible for polluted drinking wells in the area. So yes you might want to check with your state and city regulations first before digging a latrine. And digging one regardless of the laws is showing a lack of respect and responsibility for your community and your neighbors. IMHO |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: February 08 2020 at 5:02pm
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An interesting study in NZ last year recommended that no one should drink from wells less than 12m deep. Many of the older properties have bores that are quite shallow. They found in the wells (less than 12m) that there was significant traces of nitrates and pollutants from fertilizers, insecticides, herbicides and animal feces, particularly from cows. I don't think drinking shallow ground water is a good idea under any circumstances. We have a well but it's 40m deep and it's been tested and is very pure. I do think you need to go deep with modern agricultural practices. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. |
Posted By: Lonewolf
Date Posted: February 08 2020 at 7:43pm
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With a lot of wells you dig till you hit the groundwater level. If you hit it at 25m. You dont dig to 40 for different water. It doesnt work that way for a lot of areas. Once you hit thw water thats it. Some geographic areas have water at 25m. All the wells in that area are at that depth. Some area at 17meters. All wells in that area are at that depth It all depends on where you live which is why one should check local laws and geographies. Some areas have very shallow groundwater. Some of it like in our area is artisian water which is very pure because it comes from high mountain snow melt and then is filtered through the lower umderground landscape and sits in pure underground lakes called aquifers. Very natural. Very pure. Very good tasting. In loeer levels you dont have to dig far down and those wells are shallower. In higher areas those people have to dig a little farther. Same water. Different distances to hit the underground lake. I actually own a piece of mountainside where before you put in septic you need to do what os called a perk test. All places towns cities are different according to local laws to protect stream lake and drinking waters |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: February 08 2020 at 8:05pm
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Posted By: pheasant
Date Posted: February 09 2020 at 3:40am
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I wanted to share a cool little discovery we just made. If you have access to Walmart, check out the Bumblebee Snack on the run boxes for $1.00 (kind of like the flavored tuna pouches) the ones i found have tins in them with a foil pack of 6 crackers and a tiny spoon over 1 year shelf life on mine. We opened the boxes, and there is room in the boxes for more stuff, like towelette, tissue, and candy, couple sticks of gum etc:....close up the box and you have a really cool pro packs for kids. Just thought they were super cool, (we still have kids at home) ------------- The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself......FDR |
Posted By: Lonewolf
Date Posted: February 09 2020 at 6:25am
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Pheasant. Awesome idea its always nice to have a good variety of items stocked as after time rice and beans get boring. And if you have kids a fee board games are always nice to stock if you are sitting confined to a specific abode. Try to insert a lot of different food items in stock amd inserting wipes is a very good idea to save space. Something i didnt think about. But now i will thanks |
Posted By: Lonewolf
Date Posted: February 09 2020 at 6:43am
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Another thing i thought about was extra rent mortgage payments put away in case you are out of work. I know the gov may jump in during a crises but that is usually too little to late It always helps to be prepared. I also know that many people are having a hard time even making their current bills and for some its hard to save money When I first started doing this (and i am glad i did) i started by taking a small part of my paycheck and going down to the travel agencies and banks and converting it into foriegn currency. I live in the US so I was getting canadian amd german marks mostly. It sometimes cost me a little in the conversion but it took away the temptation to binge and run to the store on the weekends. I also would go to the coin stores and buy silver rounds. This made it harder for me to drain my savings but in an emergency i could convert it back to cash If you manage to save a month or two of rent/mortgage up for emergency i would not recomend keeping it in a bank. With the new bail ins and laws anymore in an economic emergency they could take it or freeze it But it is nice to stock a few payments ahead if you can. I have found it advantagous on occasion ehen i changed or lost a job and needed to get back on my feet. I know foreign money like silver can make or lose value over time but it is less volitile than a lot of other areas. Its always nice to stock a little cash if you can and anyway you can. Even if its just a little |
Posted By: Lonewolf
Date Posted: February 09 2020 at 6:53am
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Also if you are just starting prepping I would start with the basic necessities first and build from there. Its easy to get started. A little food and and water first. Blankets. Cash. A gun if you are so inclined. Etc just curious what order on the list of things others would recommend. Just saying i wouldnt start out buying board games. I think water would be first. Then food and first aid. Where does a beggining prepper start? |
Posted By: Newbie1A
Date Posted: February 09 2020 at 7:57am
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LoneWolf - the board games is bang on, I've got puzzles, lots of books I havent' had time to read, and a couple board games - but sure could use more of those! One concern I have (was brought up on forum a couple weeks back) is utilities...if things get truly ugly and the grid goes down then there's no wifi etc to keep the kids (& adults!) busy! Which reminds me - oil lamp fuel was on my list and I didn't find it the other day, thanks for reminder! ------------- If it's to be - it's up to me! |
Posted By: FluMom
Date Posted: February 09 2020 at 8:13am
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Water, can food, way to cook can food, way to stay warm, way to go to the bathroom, way to wash your clothes, seeing at night with oil lamps forget go to bed when it gets dark get up when it gets light. I would get a gun only if you know how to use it. Gun safety first for you and your family. If you need light get good flash lights and lots of batteries. I have candles too but get fire extinguishers if you are going to use. Look I hope if we have to SIP we have electricity but this is the U.S. not China where you go to the electric plant or die so many will stay home so the grid could go down. |
Posted By: Newbie1A
Date Posted: February 09 2020 at 8:22am
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Water Food Heat (this part of world it's critical!) ie. wood or coal stove - something for backup to electric/natural gas furnaces in case of extended power outage, and if wood - chainsaw/spare blades etc to be able to get more wood, if coal or a propane space heater or whatever - fuel... If you are somewhere like Australia - you may just need a few good blankets and a small stove for heating water/food. Here we recently went through a week of truly ugly -40c and -50c with windchills so heat need is relevant to climate. Light backup - oil lamp, solar garden stakes etc - esp if you have kids - dark is scary...and light blockers (can simply be a couple layers of cardboard on room window where you'll have light) - but you do not want to be only one on block 'lit up'! Medical Supplies - I still need to find a truly good list of what should be in a 'complete' medical kit...anyone out there have a great list??? Basics are obvious but need much more if things get truly ugly. Security items (what this entails and where on list - higher or lower will be depending on personal beliefs, location etc) Then any/all extras (treats, entertainment) I've got lots of extras because of garage sales - Puzzles for $0.25 or books 3/$1 etc - lots without spending hardly anything. Always buy basics first then add extras as $/time permits ------------- If it's to be - it's up to me! |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: February 09 2020 at 3:09pm
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I think a few comfort foods are important. This could just be some hard candy, it doesn't have to be much. But in an emergency everyone feels on edge and the odd little sweet treat could really make a difference. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. |
Posted By: FluMom
Date Posted: February 09 2020 at 3:28pm
| Well you convinced me to purchase cookies...if no SIP then put it out for the teachers at school they eat everything...lol. It is true...lol! |
Posted By: hoosiermom22
Date Posted: February 10 2020 at 3:30pm
Day after valentine chocolates?! Seal them in a freezer bag and toss in the freezer! |
Posted By: BeachMama
Date Posted: February 10 2020 at 3:45pm
We stress-eat a lot, FluMom. Trust me, every time you bring food for the teachers, they bless you! 
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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 10 2020 at 4:01pm
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Who needs stress? ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: FluMom
Date Posted: February 10 2020 at 4:03pm
| Lol I always have candy for them to eat and they eat it...lol. |
Posted By: FluMom
Date Posted: February 10 2020 at 4:26pm
| Tomorrow will be my last prep run to Sams. Have to still get plywood, have some need to take stock and measure windows. Do not forget to get 2 x4 s also to help secure doors and windows. I always need 2x4 s for something. |
Posted By: Thorne!
Date Posted: February 10 2020 at 7:55pm
| Our most recent Costco order arrived (barged from Seattle), about $650. All the components have been paid for and shipped for our 18 panel solar system. Stocked up on meds when we lived and worked in India. House paid off a couple of years ago. Second greenhouse footings went in the end of December. Need a break in the weather to make further progress. 14x20 pantry addition was completed summer before last, and is filled. Goats, chickens, ducks, geese, pigs all producing more of themselves. Crab traps, shrimp traps, halibut rods, salmon rods, three boats, three chainsaws, roof catchment water supply, hot water plumbed through the wood cookstove, gravity water supply backup, non-electric appliances backups for electrical appliances, smoke house, three canners, 3,000 canning jars/lids, firearms and ammo, three years of firewood cut, ever expanding garden/growing areas. Never done prepping. |
Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: February 10 2020 at 8:57pm
Yeah. I see you’re pretty new to the whole preparedness thing  ------------- "Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 11 2020 at 5:50am
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A word to the wise....... Prep food, water, fuel, sanitary products and pet food before anything else. These will be the mostly needed if things go south. Food prices are up 20% compared to this time last year, Xinhua reported. Catherine Thorbecke 10 February 2020, 16:40 Source and full article: https://abcnews.go.com/Business/food-prices-skyrocket-china-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/story?id=68883484" rel="nofollow - https://abcnews.go.com/Business/food-prices-skyrocket-china-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/story?id=68883484 ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: February 11 2020 at 6:52am
| I always prep more of what we normally eat, then I do get some additional things like canned meats. Which I don't usually use a lot of canned meats I do use canned chicken for casseroles and chicken salad sandwiches, etc. So it won't get wasted, I just stock up on more. You can even buy a whole chicken in a can. |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: February 11 2020 at 9:14am
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For those looking to find a way to use canned tuna in different ways, may I offer a slightly adjusted recipe my Grandmother taught me. She used salted cod but tuna works just as well. 1 cup of mashed potato (flakes work) 1 egg (dried egg works) 1 -2 cans tuna fish drained 1/4 flour or potato starch 1/2 tsp garlic powder 1 tsp onion powder Salt and pepper to taste Oil for frying. Mix all ingredients until well combined. Make into small patties (I make them thin but you could just as well do them burger size). Fry until crispy in about 1/4" of oil. Feeds 4 |
Posted By: Newbie1A
Date Posted: February 11 2020 at 10:05am
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I'll ask here: Can anyone post their favourite link to a list of what you should have on hand first aid/medical supplies wise? When I search I find basic bandaid type kits or EMT kits - nothing in between. Suggestions? ------------- If it's to be - it's up to me! |
Posted By: Newbie1A
Date Posted: February 11 2020 at 10:07am
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Oh and everyone should have tooth floss in preps - all kinds of uses. A dentist friend on a canoe trip stitched his calf (torn wide open on rocks) closed with it (they were in timbuck3 - I wouldn't recommend trying that at home!). Cheap, small... and strong! ------------- If it's to be - it's up to me! |
Posted By: Lonewolf
Date Posted: February 11 2020 at 10:47am
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Startimg to grow some food indoors. Not only edible but will occupy some quality time if i need to SIP. Accidently discovered this after puttimg an organic celery butt end in a dish with water and iy regrew celery. Found out a lot of food we buy can be regrown indoors. |
Posted By: hoosiermom22
Date Posted: February 11 2020 at 11:11am
I’ve been looking for some ideas on this also, to know what inside gardening preps to pick up. Maybe an indoor grow light? (No south facing windows). I’ve also seen where people open slits in a back of potting soil and directly plant. Things like lettuce grows quickly. Also- please do some homework on sprouting your dried garbanzo beans/chock peas in water for more nutrients/enzymes, takes just a couple days. I added dried garbanzo/chick peas to my supplies especially for sprouting purposes! |