The head of emergencies at the World Health Organization said Monday its “best estimates” indicate that roughly 1 in 10 people worldwide may have been infected by the coronavirus — more than 20 times the number of confirmed cases — and warned of a difficult period ahead.

Dr. Michael Ryan, speaking to a special session of the WHO’s 34-member executive board focusing on COVID-19, said the figures vary from urban to rural, and between different groups, but that ultimately it means “the vast majority of the world remains at risk.” He said the pandemic would continue to evolve, but that tools exist to suppress transmission and save lives.

“Many deaths have been averted and many more lives can be protected," Ryan said. He was flanked by his boss, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, who minutes earlier led a moment of silence to honor victims as well as round of applause for the health workers who have strived to save them.

Ryan said southeast Asia faced a surge in cases, Europe and the eastern Mediterranean were seeing an increase in deaths, while the situations in Africa and the Western Pacific were “rather more positive.”

"Our current best estimates tell us that about 10 percent of the global population may have been infected by this virus,” Ryan told attendees from member governments who make up the executive board and provide much of its funding.

The estimate — which would amount to more than 760 million people based on a current world population of about 7.6 billion — far outstrips the number of confirmed cases as tallied by both WHO and Johns Hopkins University, now more than 35 million worldwide.

Experts have long said that the number of confirmed cases greatly underestimates the true figure.

The comments came during a special session of the executive board to consider the follow-up to its previous meeting, in May, that passed a resolution to look into the world's — and WHO's — response to the pandemic. Ryan warned that the world was "now heading into a difficult period. The disease continues to spread. It is on the rise in many parts of the world.”

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/says-10-world-population-may-115400640.html - https://sg.news.yahoo.com/says-10-world-population-may-115400640.html

The global population is roughly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population#:~:text=In%20demographics%2C%20the%20world%20population,more%20to%20reach%207%20billion." style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; display: inline; color: rgb(30, 67, 154); text-decoration: none; - 7.8 billion people , if 10% have been infected that is 780 million cases. The global death toll currently attributed to Sars-Cov-2 infections is https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; display: inline; color: rgb(30, 67, 154); text-decoration: none; - 1,061,539 .

That’s an infection fatality rate of roughly or 0.14%.

Right in line with seasonal flu and the predictions of many experts from all around the world.

So now the shills will come on and say the WHO is wrong and the CDC is wrong, everyone is wrong. Only they won't have any facts to back up their claims. Reality deniers clinging to a false narrative.

No arguments on the covid figures.  It is about as deadly as seasonal flu.

But,  it is far more contagious.  That is why, whereas flu killed about 300 people in the last season here in the Uk, covid has killed 42 thousand - and the figures would have been far higher without the lockdowns, social distancing, extra hygene measures and masks; none of which were adopted for the flu.

The deadliness of a bug is a compound of its CFR and its infectiousness.

OH!  and the CFR is only one consideration, those left with long-term problems seem to be three times as numerous as the deaths.

Technophobe wrote: No arguments on the covid figures.  It is about as deadly as seasonal flu. But,  it is far more contagious.  That is why, whereas flu killed about 300 people in the last season here in the Uk, covid has killed 42 thousand - and the figures would have been far higher without the lockdowns, social distancing, extra hygene measures and masks; none of which were adopted for the flu. The deadliness of a bug is a compound of its CFR and its infectiousness. OH!  and the CFR is only one consideration, those left with long-term problems seem to be three times as numerous as the deaths.

There was an interesting article by a British epidemologist recently who said that he expected there to be a Covid disability from now on in. He meant that the people who are left with permanent damage from Covid would need a disability status as some of them had been left disabled by it, much the same as Polio did for a generation in the 40's and 50's. If those statistics are true then it really will affect a large number of people permanently. Scary.

Technophobe wrote: No arguments on the covid figures.  It is about as deadly as seasonal flu. But,  it is far more contagious.  That is why, whereas flu killed about 300 people in the last season here in the Uk, covid has killed 42 thousand - and the figures would have been far higher without the lockdowns, social distancing, extra hygene measures and masks; none of which were adopted for the flu. The deadliness of a bug is a compound of its CFR and its infectiousness. OH!  and the CFR is only one consideration, those left with long-term problems seem to be three times as numerous as the deaths.

And by "far more contagious" you mean not quite double the RO of the flu yet with an IFR of .14  according to the WHO's infection estimate.

KiwiMum wrote: There was an interesting article by a British epidemologist recently who said that he expected there to be a Covid disability from now on in. He meant that the people who are left with permanent damage from Covid would need a disability status as some of them had been left disabled by it, much the same as Polio did for a generation in the 40's and 50's. If those statistics are true then it really will affect a large number of people permanently. Scary.

I think what I find even more frightening is there is evidence that asymptomatic may also be left with permanent or lingering damage. At least if someone was symptomatic/diagnosed doctors can trace back where the disability came from.  With asymptomatic they can't.  

I read this article this morning and not only does it explain why spread is so rampant, but it also explains why some might not feel even minor symptoms leading to the red flags of damage.

https://uahs.arizona.edu/news/pain-relief-caused-sars-cov-2-infection-may-help-explain-covid-19-spread - https://uahs.arizona.edu/news/pain-relief-caused-sars-cov-2-infection-may-help-explain-covid-19-spread

Again half the truth.

The Infection fatality rate is only half the story, with more than 3 times as many suffering long-term problems.  It also does not reflect the near-death-sentence  it means for the already ill (cancer, diabetes, heart disease, lung disease).

Changing the words "death rate" to CFR to IFR does not affect the real picture.  The CDC have published a whole discussion on it.   https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/estimating-mortality-from-covid-19 - https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/estimating-mortality-from-covid-19

Most importantly, that is not the point.  The R0 of SARS2 is CURRENTLY 1.1 here (which is NOT under control) and that is as a result of control measures.  Without social distancing, hygene protocols, masks and lockdowns, it rises back up to 3+.  Superspreaders raise it even higher locally.

There are lies, DAMN lies and statistics.   I wish to add: "Cherry picked information" to the nasty end of that list.

I might add that a single tiny point higher in R0, can change a controlled disease to a pandemic or end it.

R0 = 1.00000, disease remains stable in population.

R0 = 0.99999, disease dies out.

R0 = 1.00001, disease spreads.

Having DOUBLE the R0 EVEN AFTER CONTROL MEASURES is disasterous.

And let me add are any countries basing any of their policies in whole or in part on the long term effects of COVID? If it's half the equation as you say and such a concern then that would or should be the case. But it's not, is it. Is EVERY country just missing that half of the equation? 

That is what cherry-picking means.  Not using fake, wrong or inaccurate data, but using correct information, out of context, giving a false understanding by omission.  

The suggestion is that the action is deliberate, which may be unfair to you, AI.  But in fairness to the rest of us, you do have a history of it.

AI wrote: And let me add are any countries basing any of their policies in whole or in part on the long term effects of COVID? If it's half the equation as you say and such a concern then that would or should be the case. But it's not, is it. Is EVERY country just missing that half of the equation?

Considering this is a "Novel" virus and we still trying to combat it affectivley,

I doubt many countries are even thinking about "Long Covid" 

Some haven't even got a grip on what's happening right now, 

Let alone in 1,2 ,5 years......

And we are a reactive speices not a proactive......

Let's face it attention span of most is about 10/15 minutes,aka.tv adds,and shows like G.O.T./Westworld switching narratives every 8 mins or so.

That's why there are Preppers and those that laughed at us when we stocked up on masks ,food etc.....

Who's laughing now......

So no I don't think most governments have looked to the future........

And I'm not saying they unaware of it........ 

Just found this...

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The Independent: Analysis: The NHS is not ready to tackle the debilitating effects of ‘long Covid’.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-long-covid-nhs-fatigue-nihr-elaine-maxwell-b1038038.html - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-long-covid-nhs-fatigue-nihr-elaine-maxwell-b1038038.html

AI  why are you on this site all, you never contribute anything of any use.......ever.......

Fact:

 220 thousand dead Americans.....still rising.......stay safe all  😷😉

Just to add my twopennyworth to that, AI .  You have posted quite a bit of science,   Being science it is never simply inaccurate.  

But you do post things out of context and as your posts are usually either cherry-picked, or an outlier science study (or both) they are often misleading as well.  I strongly suspect, that is deliberate on your part. 

I don't care what you call me (although I do get offended when you are rude to others and this site has standards in politeness as well.) and I appreciate science based posts.  But your (probably deliberate) attempts to mislead with 'spin' worry me greatly.  

This site is here to inform and guide; which it has successfully done for years.  It gives the best information we have, to as many people as we can.  We genuinely care about our members.  Although we are lucky enough to have some who do, most of our members do not have degrees in science or appropriate qualifications in medicine, epidemiology, mathematical modeling, nursing, virology or the other apposite sciences.  So when you post 'spun' information, you are working counter to our goals.  We simply want our members to be well informed enough to protect themselves and those around them.  Posts such as your outlier study in mask-wearing work counter to this.  [The only reason I abandoned that particular argument was your insistance on having the last word and the, almost rabid, promotion of the only science-based argument (albeit from a good source) that argued counter to the majority opinion (which , I might add, also all came from reputable and respected sources,) all of which drew attention away from other news-worthy posts published at the same time.]

So I am also watching you.

Well said Jacksdad and Techno. AI is too aggressive and he seems to be looking for the slightest thing to take offense over. Any mention of the US, or Trump in a negative light (and frankly it's hard to find a positive thing to say about the man) and he flies off the handle with insults. He's intimidating and unpleasant. As you rightly pointed out Techno, he has to have the last word but interestingly he'll drop a thread if anyone agrees with him so I think he's only here to troll other people. I don't think anyone would miss him if he left because he doesn't contribute in the spirit of sharing info that could benefit us all, he only shares to knock people down.

Well said, KiwiMum.  Technophobe is well aware of my opinion on AI's  trolling.  I'll leave it at that.  

I seem to recall earlier on in this pandemic someone calling this place an echo chamber and then flouncing off. Seemed a bit overboard at the time, but some months on seems it's strikingly accurate. Does seem to be groupthink and hive minded, not all but most. And look the crew that campaigned to run off Flumom show's up on cue. Interesting pattern there. What are the odds of that happening? LOL Any bets on if it happens again? 

carbon20 wrote: AI  why are you on this site all, you never contribute anything of any use.......ever.......

AI wrote: Actually I've contributed quite a bit. Seems facts don't matter much to quite a few here they'd rather speculate, politicize and seem to actually prefer it if it was all DOOMY. You go ahead with your little DOOM fest it's rather amusing. And laughter is the best medicine after all LOL

We remain polite and respectful, even when we dissagree.  Because we are all here to help, encourage and protect each other.

Why are you here?

Technophobe wrote: carbon20 wrote: AI  why are you on this site all, you never contribute anything of any use.......ever.......   AI wrote: Actually I've contributed quite a bit. Seems facts don't matter much to quite a few here they'd rather speculate, politicize and seem to actually prefer it if it was all DOOMY. You go ahead with your little DOOM fest it's rather amusing. And laughter is the best medicine after all LOL No.  Yes you have posted loads of articles, AI.  That does not mean you have posted anything constructive.  Carbon and Jacksdad are quite correct here.  Your posts appear to contain a mixture of deliberately 'spun' articles and snappy insults.  There has been NO effort on your part to help anyone (the only reason the rest of us are here) You only appear to want to score points, trade insults, misinform and mislead and even worse, rudely poke fun at people.  This is a prepper's site, not an exercise in schoolboy debating. We remain polite and respectful, even when we dissagree.  Because we are all here to help, encourage and protect each other. Why are you here?

Take this thread for example. The WHO states they estimate 10% of the world has CoVid. So taking that estimate and the current deaths attributed to CoVid and we come out at .14% about the seasonal flu death rate. Seems that is GOOD NEWS!! A virus is less deadly than thought by a factor of 4. Yet no one seems to want good news. Why is that? That is extremely odd.

And the information I posted from studies and articles is not misinformed or misinformation but validated science and some of it has been peer reviewed and some has not as of yet. Take the mask studies I cited which most were done prior to CoVid and clearly were not politicized because that drama didn't exist yet when those studies were done. Yet you dismissed those objective findings out of hand for studies that were politically subjective and relied on the words "may" "might" "could' in their findings. Follow the science right LOL

Anyway I digress it's about information and science. Who knew it was primarily billed as preppers site? LOL 

https://www.avianflutalk.com/china-confirms-coronavirus-is-airborne_topic40865_post284529.html?KW=airborne#284529 - https://www.avianflutalk.com/china-confirms-coronavirus-is-airborne_topic40865_post284529.html?KW=airborne#284529

I don't think that was you AI

Like I said, Loads of posts, nothing constructive.

Now answer the question.

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Maybe a nice video on how to gut a deer or an elk would be constructive. Being a prepper site and all and I doubt very few here actually harvest and kill their own food. Maybe that would be constructive and if SHTF gonna be something needed to know. Deer are easy, elk are tougher as they are way bigger, bears not too hard as are cougars. And yes cougar actually tastes pretty good. A nice cougar ham and lima bean soup is pretty good!

Constructive enough? Maybe how to snare animals next huh? Cause all that stored up food is going to run out sooner or later and it's best to supplement your provisions before you do. And passive hunting is always a good bet.

I think a move to General Prepping Tips might be in order for that last post.  Mods?

Your own point AI, that you keep stressing - repeatedly, is that opinion does not count, only scientific evidence.  You mentioned the 'possibility' of airborne transmission on the 6th February in an article about antivirals https://www.avianflutalk.com/coronavirus-showing-resistance-to-antivirals_topic40778_post283876.html?KW=airborne#283876 - ² .  The confirmation of this was posted by Albert On 10th February https://www.avianflutalk.com/china-confirms-coronavirus-is-airborne_topic40865_post284529.html?KW=airborne#284529 - ¹  . But you made no effort to bring your speculation to anyone's attention; it was even posted under the title 'Coronavirus Showing Resistance To Antivirals'.  Albert on the other hand, made a big issue of it, because it helps people to know this - and that is why we are here.

Also, your attempt at an offensive video is both a failure (we are preppers) and inappropriate.

All of which brings me back to the same question:  "Why are you here? "   Because it looks to me as if the only answer is points scoring.

As a point of interest, I told everyone it would be airborne back in January https://www.avianflutalk.com/a-corona-virus-will-not-be-the-big-one_topic40533_post282359.html?KW=airborne#282359 - ³ .  I still think Albert deserves the credit.  He drew attention to it.

Technophobe wrote: Your own point AI, that you keep stressing - repeatedly, is that opinion does not count, only scientific evidence.  You mentioned the 'possibility' of airborne transmission on the 6th February in an article about antivirals https://www.avianflutalk.com/coronavirus-showing-resistance-to-antivirals_topic40778_post283876.html?KW=airborne#283876 - 2 .  The confirmation of this was posted by Albert On 10th February https://www.avianflutalk.com/china-confirms-coronavirus-is-airborne_topic40865_post284529.html?KW=airborne#284529 - 1  . But you made no effort to bring your speculation to anyone's attention; it was even posted under the title 'Coronavirus Showing Resistance To Antivirals'.  Albert on the other hand, made a big issue of it, because it helps people to know this - and that is why we are here. Also, your attempt at an offensive video is both a failure (we are preppers) and inappropriate. All of which brings me back to the same question:  "Why are you here? "   Becaues it looks to me as if the only answer is points scoring.

And I would hardly think any real prepper would find a video of how to process an animal to be offensive or inappropriate.  Well perhaps maybe city preppers would. Although I personally think perhaps the gutless method of processing and quartering of an animal to be easier. 

Information of course, although that seems to be slowing down and suffering some degradation.

There are vegans on our memberlist, AI.  Please consider their feelings.  - Not I, I've butchered many deer.  

I'm not coloured either, but racist posts are anathema.  I am female, but man-haters would be silenced.

The idea is to avoid giving offence, not deliberately court it.

So, as you are too buisy trying to insult me, to care about any other people's reactions, I repeat my question.

Why are you here?

Ps.  I know I'm annoying you, sorry for that, but a few commas would render your missives easier to read;  I even appreciate Oxford ones.

This would be the 'airborne' clincher if you wanted a scientifically backed post:     https://www.avianflutalk.com/from-viroglogy-fact-of-the-day_topic41285_post287739.html?KW=microns#287739 - https://www.avianflutalk.com/from-viroglogy-fact-of-the-day_topic41285_post287739.html?KW=microns#287739 .

AI, why don't you stop spouting nonsense and simply answer the question. Why are you here?

Yes, AI.  Answer the question.  Either you'll confirm or dismiss those who have their opinion on that.  No, I won't give mine until you answer the question.  

Again, agreed.  Flu mum was a real loss.  I still miss her.  

But standards are just that, standards.  If I spouted insults or racisim, I would expect to go the same way.  I would not expect to be missed as much.

jacksdad wrote: AI wrote:  And look the crew that campaigned to run off Flumom show's up on cue. Interesting pattern there. What are the odds of that happening? LOL Any bets on if it happens again?  FluMom was banned by Albert - the guy who pays the bills around here. it was unfortunate and I'm sorry it happened, but everyone here needs to understand that there are consequences to our actions, and there is a standard we hold people to. She had threatened to leave before, and I (and I'm sure others) had personally reached out to try to smooth things over on a couple of occasions because she was viewed as family around here. She chose to go down the road she did and ultimately burned every bridge, and Albert felt he had any choice but to pull the trigger. Members don't get banned often, but it was felt a line had been crossed at that point. This time around we have a member who doesn't play well with others, clearly believes he's always right and everyone else is wrong, feels it's appropriate to insult and call into question the intelligence of anyone that disagrees, and seems hellbent on bullying certain members (particularly women it seems) into silence because they hold an opposing view. Any push back you're feeling is a direct result of your inability to engage without rancor and insults. There's no crew or pattern, and you're no FluMom - please don't invoke her memory here with that kind of false equivalency. By the way - you do understand how juvenile the posting of that video was, right? We're a prepping site that's been active for fourteen years - you think hunting for food, and butchering animals hasn't been covered already? Save yourself the time and trouble and check the archives before you feel the need to bring us up to speed on anything.

Bloody well said Jacksdad.

jacksdad wrote: AI wrote:  And look the crew that campaigned to run off Flumom show's up on cue. Interesting pattern there. What are the odds of that happening? LOL Any bets on if it happens again?  FluMom was banned by Albert - the guy who pays the bills around here. it was unfortunate and I'm sorry it happened, but everyone here needs to understand that there are consequences to our actions, and there is a standard we hold people to. She had threatened to leave before, and I (and I'm sure others) had personally reached out to try to smooth things over on a couple of occasions because she was viewed as family around here. She chose to go down the road she did and ultimately burned every bridge, and Albert felt he had any choice but to pull the trigger. Members don't get banned often, but it was felt a line had been crossed at that point. This time around we have a member who doesn't play well with others, clearly believes he's always right and everyone else is wrong, feels it's appropriate to insult and call into question the intelligence of anyone that disagrees, and seems hellbent on bullying certain members (particularly women it seems) into silence because they hold an opposing view. Any push back you're feeling is a direct result of your inability to engage without rancor and insults. There's no crew or pattern, and you're no FluMom - please don't invoke her memory here with that kind of false equivalency. By the way - you do understand how juvenile the posting of that video was, right? We're a prepping site that's been active for fourteen years - you think hunting for food, and butchering animals hasn't been covered already? Save yourself the time and trouble and check the archives before you feel the need to bring us up to speed on anything.

And as for correcting false or incorrect information yep, guilty as charged, oh well. Is this site about factual information or just whatever gobbilty gook gets posted and claimed as factual information? And the fact that it happens to be women posting incorrect information more so then men, is merely happenstance. Correct information is not sexist, sorry non factor nice try. Oh and if I was wrong on information I posted or stated, rest assured I'd be corrected and have been before. And insults have been slung both ways, guess you missed that part huh. "Cheery picking" right Techno LOL.

And yes there is a pattern by the drama squad, just as there is a pattern of members who support Trump being belittled for doing so, but just don't offend the vegans right LOL. Oh the hypocrisy of that is hilarious.

And I keep hearing this is a prepping site, but surely not my use for it. I wouldn't use a dentist for a medical physician, although a dentist may be able to perform some of the same procedures as a physician. There are specialized sites, with far more information for prepping and survival.

Then you hear wrong.  Even the title of this forum denotes this is a pandemic talk site.  This, of course, includes prepping.  But this is not solely a prepping site.  

AI wrote: Meh might you be wrong on that point that FluMom was banned, she was demodded but not banned for her egregious lapse in judgement, according to Techno anyway. So are you wrong or is Techno wrong? And as for correcting false or incorrect information yep, guilty as charged, oh well. Is this site about factual information or just whatever gobbilty gook gets posted and claimed as factual information? And the fact that it happens to be women posting incorrect information more so then men, is merely happenstance. Correct information is not sexist, sorry non factor nice try. Oh and if I was wrong on information I posted or stated, rest assured I'd be corrected and have been before. And insults have been slung both ways, guess you missed that part huh. "Cheery picking" right Techno LOL. And yes there is a pattern by the drama squad, just as there is a pattern of members who support Trump being belittled for doing so, but just don't offend the vegans right LOL. Oh the hypocrisy of that is hilarious. And I keep hearing this is a prepping site, but surely not my use for it. I wouldn't use a dentist for a medical physician, although a dentist may be able to perform some of the same procedures as a physician. There are specialized sites, with far more information for prepping and survival.

Ok, no cherry picking, but point by point.

1.  Flumom was banned from the moderator forum.  She left the rest of site of her own free will.  She is still listed as 'active'  ^{https://www.avianflutalk.com/member_profile.asp?PF=7446 - FluMom} .  Neither Jacksdad nor I are 'wrong', just talking about slightly different things.

2.  Cherry picked data is misleading, even when technically correct.  The true horror of this is, I believe it to be deliberate on your part.

3. Insults have been slung both ways.  You however seem to start it and if you are shown to be at fault, you get more agressive, instead of appologising, which is what polite, responsible adults do.  We have all accidentally got stuff wrong occasionally.  Saying: 'Sorry!' and putting it right come easily to most of us, as our intentions are honourable in the main.  Staying on the attack and turning everything into a pi**ing contest is what immature teenagers in High-School do (because their prefrontal cortex is not yet fully developed).

4.

ai wrote: there is a pattern of members who support Trump being belittled for doing so

5. Disease watching and avoidance is part of prepping, not a separate thing.  This is a disease monitoring site, mostly crewed and visited by preppers.  It carries lots of general prepping information - because it speaks mostly to, of and among preppers, but the general prepping information is also available all over the net.  So, disease preparedness is our speciality topic, within the context of prepping.  But the whole thing is interconnected.

So now I have dealt with all your points, in turn, in the order you raised them, it is time for you to answer my question.  You may think you already did.  But you did not.  'Information' is not an answer, especially as you seem to think we all have it wrong.  So why are you on a site you think has it all wrong, if not to poke fun at the members?   Your posted information appears deliberately misleading and microscopically hair-splitting, so it can't be to 'put us straight'.

NOW, FOR THE FIFTH TIME OF ASKING, ANSWER THE QUESTION:  "Why are you here?"

Stop deflecting. Your behavior has resulted in admin receiving complaints. A quick skim through your posts shows that certain people - Technophobe and WitchMisspelled in particular - seem to be targets of your ego. This is all I’m willing to address, so don’t try to change the focus because it won’t happen.

If I showed up on a forum, and in less than a year began to denigrate other members, I wouldn’t expect to be around long. Don’t abuse our tolerance, and try acting like you’re part of the site, and not someone who looks down on every other member. If you can’t debate without insults, we’re going to have a problem that can be easily fixed. Don’t expect an endless supply of second chances.

Technophobe wrote: AI wrote: Meh might you be wrong on that point that FluMom was banned, she was demodded but not banned for her egregious lapse in judgement, according to Techno anyway. So are you wrong or is Techno wrong? And as for correcting false or incorrect information yep, guilty as charged, oh well. Is this site about factual information or just whatever gobbilty gook gets posted and claimed as factual information? And the fact that it happens to be women posting incorrect information more so then men, is merely happenstance. Correct information is not sexist, sorry non factor nice try. Oh and if I was wrong on information I posted or stated, rest assured I'd be corrected and have been before. And insults have been slung both ways, guess you missed that part huh. "Cheery picking" right Techno LOL. And yes there is a pattern by the drama squad, just as there is a pattern of members who support Trump being belittled for doing so, but just don't offend the vegans right LOL. Oh the hypocrisy of that is hilarious. And I keep hearing this is a prepping site, but surely not my use for it. I wouldn't use a dentist for a medical physician, although a dentist may be able to perform some of the same procedures as a physician. There are specialized sites, with far more information for prepping and survival. Ok, no cherry picking, but point by point. 1.  Flumom was banned from the moderator forum.  She left the rest of site of her own free will.  She is still listed as 'active'  https://www.avianflutalk.com/member_profile.asp?PF=7446 - FluMom .  Neither Jacksdad nor I are 'wrong', just talking about slightly different things. 2.  Cherry picked data is misleading, even when technically correct.  The true horror of this is, I believe it to be deliberate on your part. 3. Insults have been slung both ways.  You however seem to start it and if you are shown to be at fault, you get more agressive, instead of appologising, which is what polite, responsible adults do.  We have all accidentally got stuff wrong occasionally.  Saying: 'Sorry!' and putting it right come easily to most of us, as our intentions are honourable in the main.  Staying on the attack and turning everything into a pi**ing contest is what immature teenagers in High-School do (because their prefrontal cortex is not yet fully developed). 4. ai wrote: there is a pattern of members who support Trump being belittled for doing so  I have seen far more of this from Trump supporters than those whom argue against him.  The anti-Trump squad belittle HIM, the pro-Trump squad belittle those who do not support him.  Politicians are fair-game; they put themselves up for it. 5. Disease watching and avoidance is part of prepping, not a separate thing.  This is a disease monitoring site, mostly crewed and visited by preppers.  It carries lots of general prepping information - because it speaks mostly to, of and among preppers, but the general prepping information is also available all over the net.  So, disease preparedness is our speciality topic, within the context of prepping.  But the whole thing is interconnected. So now I have dealt with all your points, in turn, in the order you raised them, it is time for you to answer my question.  You may think you already did.  But you did not.  'Information' is not an answer, especially as you seem to think we all have it wrong.  So why are you on a site you think has it all wrong, if not to poke fun at the members?   Your posted information appears deliberately misleading and microscopically hair-splitting, so it can't be to 'put us straight'. NOW, FOR THE FIFTH TIME OF ASKING, ANSWER THE QUESTION:  "Why are you here?"

Don't use the "we", some on here actually stick to the information, factual valid information.

1. LOL that is a funny non answer, she was either banned or she wasn't.  According to you she wasn't, according to him, she was. Either way I liked FluMom, that gal had grit.

                 2. It's "cherry picking" when I do it but anyone one else or yourself does it, it's not. Not exactly objective.

                 3. The word ''seem" in your reply is highly relative and let's not forget your bias, that you engaged in numerous times. "Seems" you said more things about me, then I have about you. Guess you forgot all about that right. No worries.

                4. Just wrong. If anything you helped forment the politically charged atmosphere and at the very least engaged in it. You know when Carbon was using Trump comments to troll and you encouraged it and protected him when it came back at him. Ah memory right.

                5. Fair enough

ASKED AND ANSWERED FOR THE THIRD TIME. INFORMATION. TOO LOUD?????

And let's not forget all this because I laughed at Carbon for suggesting this event was some type of SHTF situation. While I have been accused of being insensitive numerous times on here, I would suggest that some are actually overly sensitive, way overly sensitive, so it seems. I'll have to work on my insensitive ways.  

It wasn’t a one liner, I’ll give you that, but still snarky nonetheless. Thanks for proving my point. Just wasn’t expecting a demonstration though. Much appreciated. 

You might want to get back on track of the original subject.  It's actually no one's business why Flumom is no longer here. If anyone wants to know, they can go ask her. 

Meh might you be wrong on that point that FluMom was banned, she was demodded but not banned for her egregious lapse in judgement, according to Techno anyway. So are you wrong or is Techno wrong?

Nobody was wrong.  It is just like in a workplace.  You have a manager in charge of, say 20 people.  She's worked at the company for many years, and worked her way up.   One day, she comes in and has a bad day, and makes a racist comment.  The comment is reported by some employees to other managers, who report it to the CEO.  As the company has a zero-tolerance policy, the CEO demotes her to being a regular employee again, basic salary, no perks.  With respect for her many years of service, she is not fired from the company.  She still works there, but she is no longer a manager.

The original discussion is NOT about Flumom, so get back on track please.

Is anyone else bored by this? AI is a waste of space on here, he's obviously an argumentative unhappy sort of guy, and the whole Flumom situation is old news, and was completely avoidable. It's her choice not to be on here anymore. Whilst she made a racist comment, all she had to do was to apologise for it but for some reason she wasn't prepared to do so. Personally I miss her because she contributed worthwhile comments to the conversation. Let's try and get back on track and move on.

Right, time to move on.

Well said.....

I have been trying......

Take care all  😷😉

AI wrote: The head of emergencies at the World Health Organization said Monday its “best estimates” indicate that roughly 1 in 10 people worldwide may have been infected by the coronavirus — more than 20 times the number of confirmed cases — and warned of a difficult period ahead. Dr. Michael Ryan, speaking to a special session of the WHO’s 34-member executive board focusing on COVID-19, said the figures vary from urban to rural, and between different groups, but that ultimately it means “the vast majority of the world remains at risk.” He said the pandemic would continue to evolve, but that tools exist to suppress transmission and save lives. “Many deaths have been averted and many more lives can be protected," Ryan said. He was flanked by his boss, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, who minutes earlier led a moment of silence to honor victims as well as round of applause for the health workers who have strived to save them. Ryan said southeast Asia faced a surge in cases, Europe and the eastern Mediterranean were seeing an increase in deaths, while the situations in Africa and the Western Pacific were “rather more positive.” "Our current best estimates tell us that about 10 percent of the global population may have been infected by this virus,” Ryan told attendees from member governments who make up the executive board and provide much of its funding. The estimate — which would amount to more than 760 million people based on a current world population of about 7.6 billion — far outstrips the number of confirmed cases as tallied by both WHO and Johns Hopkins University, now more than 35 million worldwide. Experts have long said that the number of confirmed cases greatly underestimates the true figure. The comments came during a special session of the executive board to consider the follow-up to its previous meeting, in May, that passed a resolution to look into the world's — and WHO's — response to the pandemic. Ryan warned that the world was "now heading into a difficult period. The disease continues to spread. It is on the rise in many parts of the world.” https://sg.news.yahoo.com/says-10-world-population-may-115400640.html - https://sg.news.yahoo.com/says-10-world-population-may-115400640.html

  The China virus seems inevitable to most of us, unless a vaccine is rolled out soon.  We have plenty of cases here in my part of the woods.  I know five who have recovered, and the sixth in hospital.  With the WHO saying this many people having the virus and not dying, the odds are in my favor to survive the China virus.