Sweden.....again.....
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Topic: Sweden.....again.....
Posted By: carbon20
Subject: Sweden.....again.....
Date Posted: October 16 2020 at 3:21pm
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BBC News - Covid-19: Is Sweden getting it right? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54561201 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54561201 ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖 Marcus Aurelius |
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Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: October 16 2020 at 10:59pm
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Sweden had been going along with a steady but low level of deaths, when other parts of Europe (France, Spain, UK etc) stated to explode so I was beginning to wonder if their approach was finally paying off. But the last couple of days has seen Sweden's figures start to rise, so maybe my sense was too early. Now we will have to wait to see if Sweden can keep its numbers down when other places have rapidly rising numbers. If Sweden can avoid a serious "Second Wave" then overall its stratagy might have worked, but it did very badly in the "First Wave". |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 17 2020 at 8:09pm
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ABC News: Australian expats in Sweden share what life is like under the country's unconventional pandemic approach. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-18/australian-expats-life-in-sweden-during-covid-19/12759732 - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-18/australian-expats-life-in-sweden-during-covid-19/12759732 ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖 Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: ksc
Date Posted: October 18 2020 at 3:19am
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Sweden- Herd without immunity locks down. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8850953/Coronavirus-Sweden-Authorities-bring-local-lockdowns-Covid-cases-soar.html - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8850953/Coronavirus-Sweden-Authorities-bring-local-lockdowns-Covid-cases-soar.html |
Posted By: ksc
Date Posted: October 18 2020 at 3:27am
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So far deaths way down though.
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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 18 2020 at 3:16pm
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Interesting that the Aussies living there say Sweden's strategy wouldn't work in Australia..... Different folks.... Different strokes..... Different countries/geography............. ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖 Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: October 18 2020 at 10:53pm
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Well Carbon, if Australia would have followed the Swedish patterns of death then your death toll would be near 15,000 instead of 904. On the other hand if USA had followed Sweden there would have been about 31,000 fewer deaths there. Looking at the graphs, I can't help wonder if the lack of protection for old folks meant that most of the vulnerable people where hit, and died, in the early first wave. Clearly this was ethically a bad move. We are too early into the second wave to see if Sweden will avoid another spike in deaths. IF Sweden can avoid a second spike then one needs to look at the ethical dilemma of will letting people die early to prevent a larger number of deaths in the long run. Of course if one is to do comparisons then the best would be to compare Sweden with Norway - same geographical area, similar ethnic mix. similar economies and social structures, but different approaches to the coronavirus. |
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: October 19 2020 at 12:29am
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The Swedish COVID-19 experiment of not implementing early and strong measures to safeguard the population has been hotly debated around the world, but at this point we can predict it is almost certain to result in a net failure in terms of death and suffering. As of Oct. 13, Sweden’s https://time.com/5800901/coronavirus-map/" style='box-sizing: border-box; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: 400; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(233, 6, 6); padding: 1px 0px; transition: all 0.1s ease-in-out 0s; font-family: "PT Serif", Georgia, Times, serif; font-size: 17px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: 0.5px; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;'>per capita death rate is 58.4 per 100,000 people, according to Johns Hopkins University data, 12th highest in the world (not including tiny Andorra and San Marino). But perhaps more striking are the findings of a https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771841" style='box-sizing: border-box; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: 400; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(233, 6, 6); padding: 1px 0px; transition: all 0.1s ease-in-out 0s; font-family: "PT Serif", Georgia, Times, serif; font-size: 17px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: 0.5px; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;'>study published Oct. 12 in the Journal of the American Medical Association, which pointed out that, of the countries the researchers investigated, Sweden and the U.S. essentially make up a category of two: they are the only countries with high overall mortality rates that have failed to rapidly reduce those numbers as the pandemic has progressed. ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: October 19 2020 at 7:14am
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There are cultural differences between U.S. and Sweden which underscores why U.S. numbers are much higher. For example, Swedes aren't a huggy kissy lot. It's just not done. Social distancing didn't seem to be an issue either. In addition, my cousins in Sweden say that authorities went far further to protect its vulnerable population from the beginning of all this than the U.S. I'd also like to add that as a socialistic democracy, their population doesn't worry about the cost of healthcare as it is free. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: October 30 2020 at 2:59pm
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Reuters: Sweden sets another daily COVID-19 case record as hospitals feel strain. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden-cases/sweden-sets-another-daily-covid-19-case-record-as-hospitals-feel-strain-idUSKBN27E29W?feedType=mktg&feedName=healthNews&WT.mc_id=Partner-Google - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden-cases/sweden-sets-another-daily-covid-19-case-record-as-hospitals-feel-strain-idUSKBN27E29W?feedType=mktg&feedName=healthNews&WT.mc_id=Partner-Google ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖 Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: December 17 2020 at 4:15am
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In the early days of the pandemic Sweden was the poster child for a light approach to lock downs. Those calls seem to have died down as the approach did not work, Now... Swedish King Carl XVI Gustaf says coronavirus approach 'has failed'
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55347021 - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55347021 |
Sweden is also said to have one of the highest per capita Covid-19 death rates in the world.Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: December 17 2020 at 4:51am
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Many he should tell Ivanka......... https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/ivanka-trump-says-blanket-lockdowns-not-grounded-in-science/news-story/2fe59a91f9cec24a037bb55b9c3a88db - https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/ivanka-trump-says-blanket-lockdowns-not-grounded-in-science/news-story/2fe59a91f9cec24a037bb55b9c3a88db ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖 Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: December 17 2020 at 8:03am
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CNN were reporting just this morning that Sweden had asked for help, as its approach had failed so badly. I only wish they had never attempted it. Many countries' leadership has taken their approach on board, and adapted their covid-measures based on Sweden's approach. The disasters have internationally been made worse as a result. They have even been used as a springboard for arguements on here for less obsessive covid measures:- and our membership are generally far more smart and clued-up than most. That Ivanka Trump still backs it does not surprise me. America has been devestated by the ineptitude of its approach so far, but: "family first, country second" I can actually get my head around. Threats to my country would be fiercely fought, but threats to my family would be fought first and even more fiercely. So, I do get it. In her shoes, I might have done the same - assuming I had not assasinated my own dad first. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: December 18 2020 at 1:08am
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https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/29296/in-sweden-herd-immunity-has-failed-tragically-will-there-be-a-reckoning - https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/29296/in-sweden-herd-immunity-has-failed-tragically-will-there-be-a-reckoning ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖 Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: December 22 2020 at 5:29am
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The reckoning. An op-ed piece, but worth the read for the facts. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 10 2021 at 5:48pm
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DW (English): Coronavirus: Sweden's new COVID lockdown law takes effect. https://dw.com/p/3nkJJ?maca=en-gk-volltext-newsstand-topstories-en-10709-xml-googlenews - https://dw.com/p/3nkJJ?maca=en-gk-volltext-newsstand-topstories-en-10709-xml-googlenews Better late than never.......... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖 Marcus Aurelius |