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Topic: UK intensive care units not busier than normal
Posted By: AI
Subject: UK intensive care units not busier than normal
Date Posted: November 03 2020 at 10:42am


Covid intensive care
Covid intensive care

Hospital intensive care is no busier than normal for the majority of trusts, leaked documents show, raising more questions about whether a national lockdown is justifiable.

An update from the NHS Secondary Uses Services (SUS) seen by the Telegraph shows that capacity is tracking as normal for the beginning of November with the usual numbers of beds available that would be expected at this time of year - even without extra surge capacity. 

An NHS source said: “As you can see, our current position in October is exactly where we have been over the last five years.”

The new data shows that even in the peak in April, critical care beds were never more than 80 per cent full. 

Although there has been a reduction in surge capacity since the first wave, with the closure of the emergency Nightingale Hospitals, there is still 15 per cent spare capacity across the country - which is fairly normal for this time of year.

The documents show there were 9,138 patients in hospital in England as of 8am on November 2, although had since fallen to 9,077. 

It means Covid-19 patients are accounting for around 10 per cent of general and acute beds in hospitals. But there are still more than 13,000 beds available.

In critical care, around 18 per cent of beds are still unoccupied, although it varies between regions. 

But even in the worst affected areas such as North West, only 92.9 per cent of critical care beds are currently occupied. 

Commenting on the new data, Professor Carl Heneghan, Director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, said: “This is completely in line with what is normally available at this time of year.

“What I don’t understand is that I seem to be looking at a different data set to what the Government is presenting. 

“Everything is looking at normal levels, and free bed capacity is still significant, even in high dependency units and intensive care, even though we have a very small number across the board. We are starting to see a drop in people in hospitals.

“Tier 3 restrictions are working phenomenally well, and rather than locking down, I would be using this moment to increase capacity.”

On Saturday, Sir Patrick Vallance and Professor Chris Whitty warned at a press conference that bed usage would be exceeded on November 20, and even extra surge beds would be used up a few days later. 

But the leaked documents also show that no intensive care units are in Covid-19 Pandemic Critcon levels above 2, and the majority are at 0, meaning they are operating as normal. 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hospital-intensive-care-no-busier-162947741.html - https://www.yahoo.com/news/hospital-intensive-care-no-busier-162947741.html



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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: November 03 2020 at 11:27am

Yep!

Understanding that things must be bad to force the government into lockdown, I started out dioubting that, AI.  So I looked up the NHS website - and found this:



Critical Care Bed Capacity and Urgent Operations Cancelled

           

Due to the coronavirus illness (COVID-19) and the need to release capacity across the NHS to support the response, we are pausing the collection and publication of these and some of our official statistics. This will apply to the https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/covid-19-and-the-production-of-statistics/ - releases listed here .

Background

The monthly situation report collects data on:

  • The number of urgent operations cancelled, including those cancelled for the 2nd or more time throughout the month.
  • Critical care capacity, including adult, paediatric and neonatal available and occupied critical care beds, as a snapshot at midnight on the last Thursday of the month.

Data for this collection is available back to August 2010.

Latest Data

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/critical-care-capacity/critical-care-bed-capacity-and-urgent-operations-cancelled-2019-20-data/ - Monthly Sitreps 2019-20
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/critical-care-capacity/critical-care-bed-capacity-and-urgent-operations-cancelled-2018-19-data" title="Critical Care Bed Capacity and Urgent Operations Cancelled 2016-17 Data - Monthly Sitreps 2018-19
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/critical-care-capacity/critical-care-bed-capacity-and-urgent-operations-cancelled-2017-18-data" title="Critical Care Bed Capacity and Urgent Operations Cancelled 2016-17 Data - Monthly Sitreps 2017-18
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/critical-care-bed-capacity-and-urgent-operations-cancelled-2016-17-data/" title="Critical Care Bed Capacity and Urgent Operations Cancelled 2016-17 Data - Monthly Sitreps 2016-17
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/critical-care-bed-capacity-and-urgent-operations-cancelled-2015-16-data/" title="Critical Care Bed Capacity and Urgent Operations Cancelled 2015-16 Data - Monthly Sitreps 2015-16
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/critical-care-bed-capacity-and-urgent-operations-cancelled-2014-15-data/" title="Critical Care Bed Capacity and Urgent Operations Cancelled 2014-15 Data - Monthly Sitreps 2014-15
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/critical-care-capacity/critical-care-bed-capacity-and-urgent-operations-cancelled-2013-14-data/" title="Critical Care Bed Capacity and Urgent Operations Cancelled 2013-14 Data - Monthly Sitreps 2013-14
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/critical-care-capacity/critical-care-capacity-data-2012-13/ - Monthly Sitreps 2012-13
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/critical-care-capacity/critical-care-bed-capacity-data-2011-12/" title="Critical Care Bed Capacity and Urgent Operations Cancelled 2011-12 Data - Monthly Sitreps 2011-12
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/critical-care-capacity/critical-care-bed-capacity-data-2010-11/" title="Critical Care Bed Capacity and Urgent Operations Cancelled 2010-11 Data - Monthly Sitreps 2010-11

Pre-Release Access List

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/04/February-20-MSitrep-PRA-8aUeY.pdf - Pre-release access list Critical Care Capacity (PDF, 105KB)

Guidance

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/11/MSitRep-Guidance-v1.09.pdf - Monthly SitReps Definitions v1.09 – Critical Care Capacity (PDF, 173KB)

Contact Us

For further information about the published statistics, please contact us at:

Operational Information for Commissioning (National)
NHS England
Room 5E15
Quarry House
Leeds LS2 7UE
Great Britain
Email: mailto:england.nhsdata@nhs.net - england.nhsdata@nhs.net


WTF‽   Just who in our government is lying to us‽ 


So it seems that we have kept extra beds available to take the extra covid cases, but then hid the figures on what is available. A$*&$£^les!


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How do you tell if a politician is lying?
His lips or pen are moving.

Posted By: AI
Date Posted: November 03 2020 at 12:37pm

Perhaps a better question is WHY they are lying.



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“Facts don't care about your feelings.”
― Ben Shapiro

Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: November 03 2020 at 1:39pm

Why indeed.........

Why would a government  lockdown ?

For no reason ?

I really Can't  see that they would  for no reason, 

Paying out 80% of wages to keep people  home.....that really does not make any sense.......

So maybe they just trying to keep hospitals  open,slow down the hospital admissions.......

Flatten the curve...?

My Mom living by herself there 85 yrs ,went through  war says " just have to deal with it".....

They locked down  to late opened up to early........

This is not going to work there.......people  to undisciplined......to little to late.....





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Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖

Marcus Aurelius

Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: November 03 2020 at 1:55pm

You only have to look what's happening  in Belgium, France ,Spain,Germany.........to see why.......

Prevention is better than  cure......especially when  there's no cure.....lol




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Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖

Marcus Aurelius

Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: November 03 2020 at 2:05pm

Have they closed the airports......?

Is everyone arriving put into quarantine or even checked .......doubt that.....


Highest number of positive  case here in quarantine have come from Pakistan........are they been told to quarantine in UK?.....

.....doubtful .......

that would be race discrimination.......and racial profiling........

So I have grave concerns  that this will not work in Europe in general.....



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Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖

Marcus Aurelius

Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: November 03 2020 at 3:07pm

DW (English): Coronavirus: German hospitals urged to postpone non-critical operations.

https://dw.com/p/3kp0y?maca=en-gk-volltext-newsstand-topstories-en-10709-xml-googlenews - https://dw.com/p/3kp0y?maca=en-gk-volltext-newsstand-topstories-en-10709-xml-googlenews



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Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖

Marcus Aurelius

Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: November 03 2020 at 3:09pm

DW (English): Coronavirus digest: France eyes stricter curfew.

https://dw.com/p/3koEp?maca=en-gk-volltext-newsstand-topstories-en-10709-xml-googlenews - https://dw.com/p/3koEp?maca=en-gk-volltext-newsstand-topstories-en-10709-xml-googlenews


**Belgium has started air-lifting its COVID-19 patients to Germany.



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Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖

Marcus Aurelius


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