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Topic: Will you have the vaccine?
Posted By: KiwiMum
Subject: Will you have the vaccine?
Date Posted: January 19 2021 at 4:56pm

My question to you all is will you have the vaccine when it's offered to you? 

Would you refuse it and if so why? 

Is there one vaccine that you'd prefer or one that you simply wouldn't have.

Thanks.



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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: January 19 2021 at 5:15pm

I did not want to be among the first.  Too risky!  But now, YES!

Of course there is a risk.  ALL medical procedures carry some risk, new ones even more.  But the risks of not having it seem to me to be several thousand times higher than those from getting it.  People are untrustworthy, science is more trustworthy, maths is unalterable (except in the eyes of those too stupid to fathom it).



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Posted By: Hazelpad
Date Posted: January 19 2021 at 5:32pm

Lots of my family front line NHS workers doing ward rounds etc including DH.  They all took vaccine in Dec got Pfizer.  

I am not so keen on Moderna as they use a very high concentration of mRNA, but that could just be me.  They dont use the beads that Pfizer do to wrap their RNA around so shouldn't cause as many allergic reactions as the former.

Oxford may not be as effective as Pfizer but using an adenovirus based vaccine that has been used in small scale studies over many years for Ebola, Zika and Rabies.   They have 10 years experience with it.  These vectors have been used in vet medicine as well.

In a perfect world I would like a more traditional based vaccine but not sure if these will come.


Hz x 





Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: January 19 2021 at 9:16pm

I would prefer the more "traditional" vaccine, less the mRNA one-maybe also out of fear for long term complications-but also because I am against making profit out of a pandemic. 

Another question is WHEN to get a vaccine...in many ways I am "strong and healthy" and can manage in "a certain form of isolation"-so others may have much more benefit from a vaccine then me...I can wait-if need be-for myself-even several months...

The global vaccine inequality (mentioned by the WHO) is a major concern. If it would help I would even be willing to get a vaccine in 2022 if more vulnarable, or "strategic" (Indonesia is vaccinating those that may most likely spread the virus most-drivers, people in shops etc.) people did get a vaccination earlier around the globe...the One World idea..But it does not work that way..

If I could choose a vaccine I would go for the AstraZeneca/Oxford one...here in NL I'm also very likely to get that vaccine (offered) in april is the plan.



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Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: January 19 2021 at 10:35pm

Yes, I will take what is offered. 

But it seems likely that it will not be before April here in Finland, s I am not in the high risk groups (ie am under 70 without health conditions).  



Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 20 2021 at 12:27am

I will take what we get here,

I did say in another thread that I like the J &J that also is not a mRNA ........

If I have a choice that's what I would like.....

Take care all ๐Ÿ˜ท๐Ÿ˜‰



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Posted By: Tabitha111
Date Posted: January 20 2021 at 7:35am

Looks like we will get the Pfizer one here in my retirement community, but I will take whatever I can get. I was allowed to put my 31 year old son on our list here since he is my one and only "caregiver" who would come into the community to help me if I needed that. I feel that is a good thing- offer it to others instead of perhaps wasting any vaccine on the day that we get it. 



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Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: January 20 2021 at 12:05pm

I have mixed feelings about these Covid 19 vaccines. I do believe in vaccinations but am wary of vaccines released in their experimental stages, which is what has happened with these vaccines. I have a number of elderly relatives and relatives who work in hospitals overseas who are all very keen to get whatever is offered to them. As for me and my family here in NZ, firstly I'd say that we are all fit and healthy and comparitively young, we have no underlying health problems and we live in a place with no virus circulating, so we find ourselves in a luxury position that is not available to everyone and I am acutely aware of that.

The vaccine program is being rolled out here in April. I'm hoping by then that more information on safety of the vaccine will be available. My children are fully vaccinated, but one of them reacts badly to every vaccine he receives. He developes a vaccine fever that is flu like and lays him low for 5 days. Our doctor says he's just very sensitive to vaccines, so I am very wary of him having anything other than a time tested and safety proven vaccine. So we'll watch this space and take medical advice when the time comes. Due to our ages and health status, the odds of us dying from Covid are very small, but you never know.



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Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: January 20 2021 at 12:58pm

Myself and my coworkers are still waiting for our first shot, which is ridiculous as we’re healthcare workers. The vaccine roll out in the US is a farce.





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Posted By: Hazelpad
Date Posted: January 20 2021 at 2:17pm

Kiwi mum you are right in that different peoples circumstances will produce different needs.

Here in UK we are getting hammered.  We had over 1800 die today and it is relentless day after day. We aren't that big a country, but we have the worst daily death rate in the world at present.  Our whole country is locked down, only essential food shops open, and only allowed to leave for exercise, no work and no schools etc, and still the numbers keep rolling in.  I know people have got lockdown fatigue, but this is something more, it seems so dam infectious.  People are reporting that they have stayed at home, had no contact with anyone, but are still getting it. Young people with no underlying health issues ending up in intensive care with this variant.  Something is different about it, its fast and relentless.

One of my relatives hospital in London featured on BBC.  Large hospital 12 out of 15 floors crammed with Covid patients,   400 army medics helping.  They say every floor is just filled with alarms beeping as O2 saturations are  so low.  They hears them in their sleep now.  

Its a harrowing few minutes video from BBC but covers it quite well.....we thought Italy was bad last year, we are in a worse situation now. 

So over 70% of health workers have now been vaccinated.  The NHS booking forms go up and are filled in hours.  A lot were vaccinated in December.   In Scotland  a set of new dates were released just before midnight on New Years Eve, and by 2am they were all full.   I think UK has vaccinated 4million people first dose now.  A lot of people here in UK at the moment are knowing they could end up like those in hospital, and they don't want to be lying there suffocating knowing they had turned down the vaccine.  So because of the mess our country is in due to this disease people are fighting for the vaccine.  making decisions under pressure and duress aren't the best, but it is terrible here, just terrible.  

NZ have done amazing.  How much that is genetic, environment, leadership, population distribution etc I am no expert.  You have a good control over this that many of us here in the UK dont have.

Take care everyone

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-55724994 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-55724994      ( bit harrowing inside London hospital UK just now.  This is the new variant means in real life not in words )

Hz x




Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 20 2021 at 3:28pm

My cousins one lives in Wisconsin,and is a Faith healer,

the other in Birmingham UK.

Have mother my aunty who is 86

Neither believe it's happening or real ,the one who lives with aunty refuses to take her to get vaccine.....

Won't wear a mask ,has a badge saying he has exemption for health reasons which is not true....

The whole family is up in arms over it ,my Mom,aunty and uncle have all over 80  had shot all ok ......

What can I do living here 12000 miles away .......

Bloody fools..

Stay safe all ๐Ÿ˜ท๐Ÿ˜‰



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Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: January 20 2021 at 5:05pm

Here in NZ the first people to be vaccinated will be border workers, people who work at airports, on planes, dockside, in ports  and in quarantine facilities. They are hoping to bring forward deliveries of the vaccine to February to do those people and then it'll be health care workers, then, beginning in April,  the vulnerable and elderly and then the rest of the population by October this year. I do know that Jacinda Ardern has paid for 22 million doses and we have a population of 5 million. The additional is to cover all the people of the small island nations of the Pacific, which I personally think is such a great idea, as the islanders suffer greatly from obesity and diabetes so that would put them in a high risk category.



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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 20 2021 at 7:01pm

Jacinda rocks.....



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Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: January 21 2021 at 12:30pm

She really does, doesn't she.



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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: January 21 2021 at 2:04pm

No arguments here, Hubby calls her a goddess.  I'm not sure he's wrong.



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Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: January 24 2021 at 12:02am

I got my 1st Covid vaccine on Tuesday this past week. I had no issues. I thought I might since I have a lot of allergies and have a history of anaphylaxis to some drugs and food. They kept me extra long for observation but I was fine. I get my 2nd dose on February 9th. 



Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: January 24 2021 at 2:29am

It is good that you had no reaction, and heartening to hear that they (medical staff) were taking your history seriously to keep you under observation longer than most people.



Posted By: RedTea
Date Posted: January 24 2021 at 10:35am

Healthcare worker here in Mid-Missouri USA. I just got my 1st round of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine yesterday. I would have been interested in other options had they been available in this country, but this and Moderna are what we have. I was happy to not have the Moderna version, as we've seen more issues with it locally. So far I have experienced a bit of tiredness, arm soreness, and one wave of nausea and vomiting about 6 hours after the vaccine. I felt much better afterwards, and no repeat performances. Shot #2 will be Feb 13, and I'm hopeful but anxious as I've read about more enhanced reactions on the second dose. I have a history of anaphylaxis as well, and was monitored by a RN for an hour after receiving the vaccine; I expect that the same will happen with dose #2.



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Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: January 24 2021 at 1:38pm

Relatives of mine who've had the vaccines so far have reported the following:

88 year old man, Pfizer vaccine, no side effects and not even a sore arm. He's delighted. 

79 year old man and woman, Oxford Astra Zeneca, no side effects at all, both feel fine and very relieved. 

92 year old woman, Pfizer, has had both of her shots and reported no side effects and she feels fine. She has no underlying health problems and is as fit as a flea.

23 year old woman, a nurse at a large UK hospital who has had Covid, Pfizer vaccine, felt awful afterwards, full on flu symptoms for 8 days afterwards, she is expecting even more of a reaction with her second shot. Has been told that people who've had Covid react badly to the vaccine. She's still going to have her second shot regardless. 

24 year old woman, currently in bed with Covid. She's a police officer and caught it on the job. Has been ill for a week but starting to feel better. Has to delay having her first jab until 6 weeks after recovering from Covid.



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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 24 2021 at 2:33pm

My Mom ,aunties,and an uncle all over 85inthe UK, have 

 had it ,

 not sure which vaccine, 

non have had any side effects ........




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Posted By: Tabitha111
Date Posted: January 26 2021 at 6:54am

FYI: https://dearpandemic.org/fever-reducers-with-vaccine-administration/?utm_source=DPBP&utm_medium=WM&utm_campaign=TNG - Is there any reason to avoid fever reducers such as acetaminophen and ibuprofen with vaccine administration? — Dear Pandemic



Q: Is there any reason to avoid fever reducers such as acetaminophen and ibuprofen with vaccine administration?


A: It is generally recommended NOT to pretreat with fever reducers prior to vaccine administration, but if you develop a fever or feel uncomfortable after the vaccine you can take over the counter medicines. Pretreating may decrease the immune response to the vaccine.



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'A man who does not think and plan long ahead will find trouble right at his door.'
--Confucius



Posted By: mwbab
Date Posted: January 26 2021 at 7:32am

News article......."After you get each dose of the shot, Petri says it’s still important to practice those public health measures.

“The volunteers in the studies were wearing masks, so it’s the vaccine plus the mask, and the social distancing, and the hand washing is getting you to 95%,” Petri said."


So how effective is the vaccine alone? If you are still practicing all the safe measures to achieve 95%?



Posted By: ksc
Date Posted: January 26 2021 at 7:37am

Petri's wrong. Masks, handwashing, and social distancing had no bearing on how they calculated the 95% figure. 



Posted By: Hazelpad
Date Posted: January 26 2021 at 8:52am

You dont reduce fever unless you have to. 

 Immune cells are made to work in slightly higher body temperatures, also higher body temp gets liver to release back up immune fighting chemicals and components.  We used to have fun looking at immune cells eating labelled antigen under normal and elevated temperature.  You can used video microscopy. They would zip around like rabid little beasts in heated conditions.

Lots of other reasons why fevers help with antiviral responses.Its role in vaccine success  (generation of long term memory response),  not yet fully understood, but led NHS to suggest not to take NSAIDs, unless necessary.  As well as reducing temp these also dull down release of inflammatory mediators you need for immunological memory.

Hz x



Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: January 26 2021 at 9:09am

Originally posted by ksc ksc wrote:

Petri's wrong. Masks, handwashing, and social distancing had no bearing on how they calculated the 95% figure. 

Not quite, but sort of.......................

The 95% applies to vaccine effectiveness after both doses and on a personal basis.  You do not reach 95% personal effectiveness until 2 weeks after the second dose.  This was the results of the study.  Public health did not (could not) form part of the study.

But because of the delay and the unknowns in how easy it still is to spread the virus even if you are immune, as far as both personal and public effectiveness is concerned the other measures are needed too.



Anyone reading this:  Please do not ignore Hazelpad's previous post; it is even more important than this one.



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Posted By: mwbab
Date Posted: January 26 2021 at 9:25am

Here is the entire article from Dr Petri


As more people begin to get their first dose of security against the coronavirus, there are still many wondering when you should and should not get the COVID-19 vaccine, but one UVA Health doctor clears up some of your lingering questions.


“Having COVID is not a reason not to get vaccinated,” Dr. Bill Petri, professor of infectious disease at UVA Health, said.


As some people wait to get their second vaccine shot, there’s still a chance of contracting the virus: “The vaccine is about 60% effective after the first dose, and it’s only after the second dose that we get up to the 95%,” Petri said.


The doctor says there are two instances where folks should not proceed to get their second COVID-19 vaccine: “There’s only two contraindications to getting the coronavirus vaccines, and one is if you received these anti-spike monoclonal antibodies,” Petri said. “The other is if you have an allergy to one of the components of the vaccine.”


Before getting the second dose, Petri says it’s important to note which vaccine you received and when in order to maximize its effectiveness.


“We know that 95% effectiveness for Moderna came from spacing those two doses out four weeks apart. It’s slightly different for the Pfizer vaccine, which is also being given out by the Blue Ridge Health District. Pfizer is three weeks apart,” Petri said.


After you get each dose of the shot, Petri says it’s still important to practice those public health measures.


“The volunteers in the studies were wearing masks, so it’s the vaccine plus the mask, and the social distancing, and the hand washing is getting you to 95%,” Petri said. “They’re really revolutionary vaccines. We have never had vaccines that are as effective as these are.”


With many people wondering how long the vaccine will likely work in the body, Petri has some good news: “I’m pretty optimistic that we’re going to see a prolonged antibody response, so that these are not going to need to be boosted in like six months or a year from now,” he said. “Hopefully by this summer we’re going to have everyone vaccinated and then we’ll be able to see the diminution in the transmission.”


Copyright 2021 WVIR. All rights reserved.



Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: January 26 2021 at 9:49am

Why Do You Have to Wear a Mask Even After Getting the COVID Vaccine? Here's What Experts Say

                                  

Don't toss your face mask stash yet.                    

By    Claire Gillespie               
January 21, 2021  

An effective vaccine is the first big step toward ending the coronavirus pandemic, and that's exactly what's being rolled out across the US right now. But our days of wearing face masks aren't over yet. While both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are more than 90% effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19, we still don't know whether they prevent you from  spreading the virus to other people. That's why experts strongly advise that everyone mask up, and that includes anyone who has received the vaccine.

Both the Pfizer and Moderna trials tracked only how many vaccinated people became sick with COVID-19, meaning it's completely possible that some vaccinated people could subsequently get infected but not develop any symptoms. Those people could then transmit the virus without being aware of it, and the biggest risk is that they spread it to others who haven't been vaccinated yet, Anne Rimoin, PhD, MPH, professor of epidemiology at UCLA Fielding School of Public Health, tells Health.

"It will take time to widely distribute the vaccine and achieve herd immunity (and that's not guaranteed), so non-pharmaceutical interventions like mask wearing and social distancing will continue to be crucial to stopping the spread," explains Rimoin. If many Americans continue to be hesitant about getting the vaccine, there could be a lot of susceptible people, she adds. Remember, some people aren't able to get vaccinated, such as those with severe allergic reactions to vaccine ingredients. And some pregnant or breastfeeding women may choose not to receive the vaccine until more information is available about the safety of the vaccines in those groups.

Continuing to wear a face mask is also important because of the new COVID variants that have been identified. Because they're thought to be more infectious, they can spread more easily to more people if vaccinated people are able to transmit the virus and don't wear a mask, Rimoin warns.

There's another reason to keep masking up even after you've been vaccinated. "In our modern society, we don't discriminate by immune status, and the ethics of doing so would be a very slippery slope," Michal Tal, PhD, an immunologist at Stanford University, tells Health. "It's already hard to get everyone to follow current masking regulations, and now if you have some people who are vaccinated (and likely, but not certainly, immune from developing COVID-19 symptoms) not needing to adhere to those same regulations, it will wreak additional havoc on what has already been an extremely chaotic pandemic response."

The advice from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is clear. According to the group's guidelines, "not enough information is currently available to say if or when CDC will stop recommending that people wear masks and avoid close contact with others to help prevent the spread of the virus that causes COVID-19."

Per the CDC guidelines, we need to keep social distancing (by staying six feet away from other people), too. The CDC also recommends avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces, and washing your hands often—even after you've had your COVID-19 shot.


So will we ever be able to ditch our masks? Hopefully, yes—although they might remain a significant part of life for some.

"I think that we have to continue to wear masks until everyone has had a chance to get vaccinated and we have gotten the virus under control," Tal says. "When community transmission is low and the majority of people are vaccinated, I think we'll safely be able to put our masks away."

However, nobody knows for sure what role masks will play in our future. "I've often wondered if one day we will move houses and discover an old box of masks from these days and dust it off, not having thought about it in years, or if we will start to utilize masks more and more to control the spread of other respiratory infections, such as on an especially bad flu year," Tal says.

"I suspect that moving forward, doctors and nurses may incorporate masks as a standard part of personal protective equipment for their interactions with patients, much as glove wearing became standard during the AIDS epidemic and then became standard protective gear," she adds. "I think that the vast majority of us, however, can look forward to mask-free days as soon as everyone has had a chance to get vaccinated and viral spread in the community is low."

The information in this story is accurate as of press time. However, as the situation surrounding COVID-19 continues to evolve, it's possible that some data have changed since publication. While Health is trying to keep our stories as up-to-date as possible, we also encourage readers to stay informed on news and recommendations for their own communities by using the CDCWHO, and their local public health department as resources.

Source: https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/wear-mask-after-getting-covid-vaccine" rel="noopener noreferrer - Explore Health

RELATED: https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/does-wearing-two-masks-prevent-covid - Does Wearing 2 Masks Protect Against COVID-19 Better Than One? Here's What Experts Say

RELATED: https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/why-are-new-strains-of-covid-more-contagious - Why Are the New Strains of COVID-19 More Contagious? Here's What We Know So Far  

RELATED: https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/is-the-covid-19-vaccine-safe-for-everyone - Is the COVID-19 Vaccine Safe for Everyone? Here's Who Should (and Shouldn't) Get It, According to Experts




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Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 7:19am

My significant other had a doctor's appointment last week. His doctor said covid is extremely bad in our area and to not go out if you don't have to. When you have to go to the grocery store wear 2 masks. I have noticed this week (I had 3 doctors appointments) that a lot of medical staff are wearing 2 masks now. 



Posted By: Tabitha111
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 9:59am

I just ordered face shields to wear over my two masks if I need to go to the doctor. I don't grocery shop - get all delivered, but wanted the shields just in case.



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'A man who does not think and plan long ahead will find trouble right at his door.'
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Posted By: Little House
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 10:35am

When you wear two masks, what kind of masks are you wearing?  I switched my family over to KN95s in December and we all wear them whenever we will be around other people. We also have surgical and cloth that are worn occasionally (when a mask is required by law, but not by common sense).  

I have noticed that often at large televised gatherings (New Years Eve, The Inauguration...) that people will wear what looks to be a N95 under a “pretty” cloth mask.  I wonder how many people do that?



Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 10:58am

Me for one, LH.  

My "personal protection" masks are vented.  This means that they do not offer much protection to others from me.  

I am certain I don't have the virus, as we are hermits, but it seems to be a politeness not to scare everyone else.  So another mask goes over the top.

And yes, I am asthmatic, but manners are manners.



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How do you tell if a politician is lying?
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Posted By: Tabitha111
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 12:31pm

I wear KN95s under a cloth mask - my cloth masks have filters in them also.
I have n95s on order and KF94s on order too. Too many non-compliant folks in my senior apartment building. I can't be a total hermit- still must use the laundry room and go get my mail. 



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'A man who does not think and plan long ahead will find trouble right at his door.'
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Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: January 28 2021 at 12:32pm

Originally posted by Penham Penham wrote:

My significant other had a doctor's appointment last week. His doctor said covid is extremely bad in our area and to not go out if you don't have to. When you have to go to the grocery store wear 2 masks. I have noticed this week (I had 3 doctors appointments) that a lot of medical staff are wearing 2 masks now. 

I saw a picture of Tom Cruise this week wearing 2 masks. He appeared to have a surgical mask on covered by a black cloth mask.



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Posted By: Tabitha111
Date Posted: February 07 2021 at 9:24am



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'A man who does not think and plan long ahead will find trouble right at his door.'
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Posted By: BeachMama
Date Posted: February 07 2021 at 11:47am

The district I am student teaching in bent over backwards and somehow got a bunch of us access to vaccinations on Friday. I got my first dose of the Moderna vaccine Friday evening...I am so grateful, because our students come back in person tomorrow. At least I’ll have 50% protection. I still don’t know how our district did it. 



Posted By: mwbab
Date Posted: February 09 2021 at 4:32am

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/virginia-woman-dies-shortly-after-receiving-coronavirus-vaccine/2870987/ - Va. Woman Dies Shortly After COVID Vaccination, Though No Link Has Been Found – NBC New York  


While an official cause of death was not immediately determined, Keyes did not die from any allergic reaction connected to the vaccine, according to state Health Commissioner M. Norman Oliver.  

A Virginia minister died shortly after she received a coronavirus vaccination, authorities said Friday, though there was no indication the vaccine was at fault.

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https://nypost.com/2021/01/23/californian-dies-hours-after-getting-covid-19-vaccine-prompting-probe/ - Californian dies hours after getting COVID-19 vaccine, prompting probe (nypost.com)  

A California resident who was vaccinated against COVID-19 died just hours later — and authorities are trying to find out why.

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second Californian dies after vaccine 

https://www.radiologybusiness.com/topics/leadership/x-ray-technologist-dies-second-dose-covid-19-vaccine - X-ray technologist dies after receiving second dose of COVID-19 vaccine (radiologybusiness.com)  

A California x-ray technologist died recently after receiving his second dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, according to published reports.

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/california-investigates-death-of-patient-who-received-vaccine/ - California Investigates Death Of Patient Who Received Vaccine | Kaiser Health News (khn.org)

Orange County Register: Health Care Worker Dies After Second Dose Of COVID Vaccine, Investigations Underway 

Tim Zook’s last post on Facebook brimmed with optimism. “Never been so excited to get a shot before,” he wrote on Jan. 5, above a photo of the Band-Aid on his arm and his COVID-19 vaccination card. “I am now fully vaccinated after receiving my 2nd Pfizer dose.” Zook, 60, was an X-ray technologist at South Coast Global Medical Center in Santa Ana. A couple of hours later, he had an upset stomach and trouble breathing. By 3:30 p.m. it was so bad his colleagues at work walked him to the emergency room. “Should I be worried?” his wife, Rochelle, texted when she got the news. “No, absolutely not,” he texted back. “Do you think this is a direct result of the vaccine?” she typed. “No, no,” he said. “I’m not sure what. But don’t worry.” (Sforza, 1/26)

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https://www.ibtimes.com/new-york-man-dies-25-minutes-after-receiving-covid-vaccine-3140382 - New York Man Dies 25 Minutes After Receiving COVID Vaccine (ibtimes.com)  

https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/09/man-collapses-and-dies-25-minutes-after-having-the-covid-vaccine-14046641/ - Man collapses and dies 25 minutes after having the Covid vaccine | Metro News  

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https://nypost.com/2021/01/15/23-die-in-norway-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/ - 23 die in Norway after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine (nypost.com)  


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Posted By: cindylouflu
Date Posted: February 09 2021 at 10:00am

I will take whatever vaccine is offered although I do have concerns due to pre-existing multiple autoimmune issues, hoping will not cause a flare up.  

I know of two people who've had the vaccine:

49 year old female HC worker, Moderna vaccine.  Extreme health and fitness nut. Down for one day after vaccine with  chills, fatigue, myalgia, joint pain.  Planning on taking a few days off work after second vaccine.

66 year old male retired, Pzifer vaccine.  Fitness and nutrition minded, generally healthy currently.  Cancer survivor 8 years out, pre-arthythmia (sp?) condition.  Sore arm after first shot.





Posted By: KiminNM
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 1:19pm

I'm still a yes, and, the unexplained reactions and deaths will definitely keep my anxiety up for awhile.  

My folks (83 and 85) both had both shots of the Pfizer vaccine. Zero symptoms after first one, and my stepmom only had a day where she was a little more tired after the second one. Otherwise zero side effects.  It's been 6 days since their 2nd shot, so I've almost stopped worrying.  



Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: February 12 2021 at 7:29am

I got my 2nd shot 4 days ago. I was really tired the first day but no other issues. 



Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: February 13 2021 at 3:41pm

Usk has just posted this in another thread but I think it's relevant here. 

I have some news of interest and I think this the best place for it. My cousin is a surgeon here in Virginia   He got  vaccinated in early Dec and 2nd shot end of Dec.  he started to feel unwell monday  he was diagnosed with Covid today!!!  He has mild respiratory issues enough to have him on home oxygen   We are all hoping he does not get worse   They sent out blood work to see what strain. He got Phizervaccine



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Posted By: Tabitha111
Date Posted: February 22 2021 at 8:21am

Had to go in for a medical appointment - my Primary Care doctor told me he had his first vaccine, then two weeks later he got Covid. He was bedridden and unwell, but not in hospital (he is older too).

He thinks that he got it somehow at the indoor hockey rink that he plays at. He did not wear a mask while playing of course OR in the locker room. Said there were many unmasked players in the locker room and of course there are showers that you won't wear your mask in.

I can not help but think that people tend to let their guard down after their vaccine. Been reading more and more stories like this.
He goes a year seeing patients and NOT getting Covid, then gets the vaccine and gets infected!



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Posted By: AndyPOW
Date Posted: March 03 2021 at 8:54am

I suppose this will cause "heads to explode", but I'll just leave this right here. I am clear that it isn't all about mortality, and in fact I'm considering taking the J&J injection. That being said, me and mine will not be taking any experimental gene therapy injection.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/experimental-vaccine-death-rate-for-israels-elderly-40-times-higher-than-covid-19-deaths-researchers - https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/experimental-vaccine-death-rate-for-israels-elderly-40-times-higher-than-covid-19-deaths-researchers



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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: March 04 2021 at 3:56am

I looked into the rest of the site and they are clearly VERY anti-vax in general.


It is never possible to be 100% sure who is lying to you; it could be the anti-vaxers or the government.  In my personal belief system, it is both.  However, Hubby had the Pfizer jab several weeks ago and I am having it next Friday, alongside our daughter.  Hubby is fine and I have no worries.

This time, on this given site, I believe the biggest twisting of the truth is underway*.  Yes, a few people develop covid just after vaccination, those who were already gestating it.  A few have anaphalaxic reactions; which the attending medical staff  are ready for.  


Our hospitals are not full of sick and dying vaccine recievers.  But they are bursting at the seams with sick and dying covid patients.  That should tell you all you need to know about comparing figures.  Those numbers speak for themselves.





*They have a manefesto of sorts:  

"The Great Reset

Wondering what the Great Reset is? Learn about the agenda of this global movement, also called the New World Order and many other names, and the impact it has on governments, economies, COVID-19, and more." https://lifefacts.lifesitenews.com/the-great-reset/ - https://lifefacts.lifesitenews.com/the-great-reset/



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Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: March 04 2021 at 5:03am

The Great Reset - Q-Anon.  'Nuff said.



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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: March 04 2021 at 7:22pm

My Mom and her sisters all over 85 have had pfizer all fine no problems.....

Take care all ๐Ÿ˜ท๐Ÿ˜‰



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Posted By: Flubergasted
Date Posted: March 07 2021 at 10:04am

I've had the 1st dose of the moderna vaccine.  I had a little mild soreness at the injection site the next day. Otherwise, it was a piece of cake.  I have had a lot of serious health problems this year.    I will admit to being a bit nervous about it at the time, but I refused to allow rumors and facebook posts from questionable sources influence my decision.  I'm really happy with my choice.

I now feel comfortable visiting my 85 year old dad, who has had both injections.  I worry less about accidentally infecting my residents.  I may actually return to shopping in stores, which will save me money.  It may also help the environment and local economy,  since I will depend less on amazon and shipping to acquire products that may be available locally.



Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: March 09 2021 at 12:34pm

A friend of mine had the vaccine (I'm not sure which one) in Feb. Two days later she woke up to find she had lost the use of her right arm. It's completely dead. She's just been diagnosed with Parsonage Turner Syndrome, which if you google it, says it's an autoimmune disease that has a sudden onset normally due to some trigger - such as a vaccination. There's no cure. She's 53 years old and is devastated and in severe pain. Make of it what you will.



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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: March 10 2021 at 8:25am

From that I draw the conclusion that the pro-vaccine lobby lies as well.  Both sides of the argument do.  NO MEDICAL PROCEDURE IS WITHOUT RISK and a vaccine (as it goes into the body) classifies as an invasive medical procedure.

The anti-vax lobby lies too, probably far more, but neither side is above at least twisting the truth.

Comparing the risks from both sides ('And both sides DO carry risks!) getting the vaccine is still a very good idea.  Parsonage Turner Syndrome*  is rare, far rarer than long covid.  PTS is also temporary, whereas some cases of long covid involve permanent neurological damage.

I would not be surprised if the vaccines kill a few people; however the disease kills millions.   


In conclusion, I have no real worries over getting the vaccine (any of them) but fear the virus considerably.  



Having said that, I do wish the medical profession was more honest about the (admittedly tiny) risks.  I can see that the other side of the argument's proponents lie as well, but I expect that from the unregulated.  Getting lied to by the professionals, even by omission, greatly annoys me!  It makes me feel as if I am assumed to be so stupid I can't do simple arithmatic.




* 'Acute brachial neuritis'   https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/parsonage-turner-syndrome/ - https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/parsonage-turner-syndrome/



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Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: March 10 2021 at 12:20pm

She had the Pfizer vaccine.



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Posted By: roni3470
Date Posted: March 10 2021 at 3:12pm

second dose of prizer today at 10:15 mountain time so 5 hours later and no issues!!



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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: March 11 2021 at 5:11am

Sister in law in UK had pfizer felt very ill after,sore swollen arm,she is 50 years old ,

I said before my Mom and her sisters all over 85 had pfizer all ok no problems......

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Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: March 11 2021 at 2:47pm

Folks, I am an expert in vaccines and vaccination....there are some truly nasty vaccines in the world (smallpox being one), but any of the vaccines being offered for COVID-19 are extremely safe and effective! 

The use of messenger RNA instead of a killed or attenuated organism (i.e. polio, influenza etc.) is unique.  We are immunized with a tiny bit of genetic coding that stimulates our own cells to produce ONLY the immunogenic coronavirus surface spike protein, which the body will learn to recognize and then neutralize with antibodies and immune response cells.  

All of them seem very safe, my wife and I received both doses of the Moderna vaccine, but I would have accepted anything, even Sputnik V from Russia!!  Johnson & Johnson is a nice breakthrough for a one-shot version, and we will certainly have boosters in the near future to ensure a strong immune response and immunity to rapidly evolving strains.  

PLEASE GET WHATEVER VACCINE YOU CAN, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE!   Believe me, you do NOT wish to catch even a mild form of this virus.  Be safe and cheers, Charles the DrPH



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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: March 12 2021 at 10:20am

Well, Technobrat and I got the Astra-Zenica jab.  

It is too early to draw conclusions, but it could have been water in the jab, for all the reaction I have so far.




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Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: March 12 2021 at 12:35pm

Originally posted by CRS, DrPH CRS, DrPH wrote:

....there are some truly nasty vaccines in the world (smallpox being one),

I think I'm one of the youngest people alive who've had the smallpox vaccine. I was given it as a new born baby because we travelled a lot. Interestingly I've been seeing an alternative medicine therapist for the last year to help combat an allergy I have and in her initial assessment of my state of health, she handed me a list of all the vaccines I've had - the machine she was using identified them - and they showed up because I've literally had every vaccine going including yellow fever, typhoid, smallpox, hepatitis a and b, meningitis, you name it, I've had it. I remember on one trip to Africa in the late 70s, as a young child, being jabbed in each arm and each leg all on the same day. That night we had to have our clothes cut off us because our limbs were too painful to move.



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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: March 12 2021 at 2:40pm

I envied you the smallpox (Mum would not let me have it and now it is no longer available.)  but that is horriffic!  

I don't envy you that!



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Posted By: roni3470
Date Posted: March 12 2021 at 5:47pm

Hey everyone. Roni From Colorado reporting 2nd dose of Prizer 2 days ago with no negative side effects.  I had a little bit of a headache but advil knocked it out.  I am fully vaccinated and 2 weeks away from hopefully being immune (fingers crossed).  Good luck to everyone getting theirs and stay safe!



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Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: March 12 2021 at 8:24pm

Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

I envied you the smallpox (Mum would not let me have it and now it is no longer available.)  but that is horriffic!  

I don't envy you that!

I've been vaccinated against smallpox twice!!  Once when young (I was born in 1955), and once before I traveled to Africa in 1979 (it wasn't officially declared eradicated at that time). 

The smallpox vaccine is based on a live virus, vaccinia, which is actually the old "cowpox" virus that Jenner first used!  When we are vaccinated, we have a small but very active viral infection at the inoculation site, and this sheds living virus for a brief time. 

Our US servicemen & women were given many doses of smallpox prior to invading Iraq, as there was concern that Saddam had a lot of weaponized smallpox (we never found any).  Because of this, some servicemen ended up transmitting the virus to family members, even as an STD!   This is interesting;

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5925a2.htm - https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5925a2.htm

The risk of anyone obtaining smallpox (variola virus) is very small, as nearly all stores have been destroyed except for a few research samples kept in the US and Russia.  However, very old frozen lab samples of smallpox have shown up on occasion, and since smallpox has a whopping 50% fatality rate, it is considered the worst of potential bioterrorism agents, so we are always alert for it in society.   I don't lose much sleep over smallpox, I have other more pressing concerns! 




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Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: March 15 2021 at 1:50am

It looks as if I will have a loooooooooooong wait as I am healthy and under 70 years old!   The latest news regarding Finland is "vaccinations for non-at-risk adults could begin in late June or early July. "

I am still checking almost daily to see in my wife can get vaccinated, but she is in Risk Group 2 (for asthma), and our local community is still working on Risk Group 1.  The trouble for small communities is the vaccine comes in batches of 1,000, involving a lot of logistic work to make sure it is not wasted.

One good news is that as time goes on more people are saying that they plan to get vaccinated.



ps. I also have the scars on my left arm from the smallpox vaccination.  



Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: March 15 2021 at 6:33am

Quick update:  Astra Zenica jab.

Technobrat and I both had some unpleasant reactions on the second day (headache, chills, temperature and joint pain)  It lasted one day for me and two for her.

I have conjunctivitis today.  I can't tell if this was the jab or not, as I occasionally get conjunctivitis from allergies.  It took longer than usual to clear.  Under normal circumstances, my recurrant case goes away if I go back to sleep for a couple of hours.  It is receding now, but the 'cure' failed this time.

My arm never got sore; Technobrat's still hurts a bit.



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Posted By: LCfromFL
Date Posted: March 15 2021 at 9:58am

Hi Everyone...I'm in Florida (FWIW). My 84 year old mom received the Pfizer vaccines (1/29 & 2/19) - her arm was a bit sore from the 2nd one, but other than that she felt fine. Our neighbors (both over 65 yo) also received the Pfizer vaccines and had no issues (hubby felt a bit achy after the 2nd dose - but only for a day). My hubby and I are under 65 but qualified as 'extremely vulnerable' due to underlying health issues and received our 1st dose (Pfizer) on 3/10. He was totally fine - I had injection site soreness/swelling/redness that lasted a couple of days but beyond that, nothing. Our 2nd doses are scheduled for 3/31. 

Prior to the pandemic, my mama would have two of her 'little old lady friends' come over a few times a week to play cards. One of her friends' 2 week window ends this week - and they cannot wait to get together and play cards again.  Social isolation on the elderly has been really, really hard.  



Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: March 15 2021 at 1:09pm

Hi LCfromFL, I couldn't agree more about the social isolation. And not just on the elderly. I have some young cousins in the UK who are thoroughly depressed from the isolation. I feel that the draconian enforcement of isolation seen in care homes is tantamount to false imprisonment. Surely these homes have overstepped their boundaries and removed all civil rights from the elderly. I could understand it if the staff were isolated with the residents, but they're not. They still get to go home and to the shops and every day they risk bringing the virus into work with them. What's the difference then between allowing the staff to come and go and allowing relatives to visit on occasion? In my mind it's an abuse of power.



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Posted By: Little House
Date Posted: March 15 2021 at 1:56pm

I fear that we will be reaping the consequences of this isolation for decades to come.  


It is so hard to find the balance between maintaining mental health and physical health.  Isolation affects everyone, of every age, and I am afraid that we haven’t begun to see the side effects of it yet.



Posted By: AndyP
Date Posted: March 25 2021 at 7:24am

41M, had the 1st shot Moderna yesterday. My arm is a little sort at the injection site and I am a little drowsy. Also have a little bump on the top of my right hand, but I think it's from using the mouse/computer a lot yesterday. 


If you're in the US and go on CVS.com, you can schedule an appointment there. I put down that I was in the 16+ and high risk category, since I recently had a positive Lyme diagnosis. Nobody asked for any more documentation when I went to get the vaccine. 



Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: March 28 2021 at 3:37pm

My Mom  85yrs,had second dose ,I'm guessing pfizer ,as she had that 1st,

This time she says bit aching in arms and legs and site of jab,

Lasted 24 hours she took Panadol went to bed ,ok next day....

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Posted By: Flubergasted
Date Posted: April 11 2021 at 1:59am

I had my second dose of the Moderna vaccine a couple of weeks ago.  I actually had a noticeable immune response to it beyond a sore shoulder for a day.  The afternoon of my injection, I felt a wave of heat, like maybe I was starting to get feverish.  It lasted 10 - 20 minutes.   I was working, and I did not have time to stop and take my temperature until I was completely back to normal.  




Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: April 11 2021 at 3:56am

From an EU country.  I still have no idea of when I will be offered a vaccination.   My wife, who is in Risk Group 2 (for asthma) but under 65, is also still not eligible, but should have her first dose by the end of May.


Although badly hit by the spread of the virus, both the US and the UK seem to have done well in vaccination production.



Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: April 11 2021 at 3:09pm

Our vaccine rollout seems to be a disaster......

I say seems because I'm not sure if it's by incompetence or by  design......

By design I mean on purpose,

We have it under control and economy is good,I think other countries are more in need so maybe it's going elsewhere !!!!! Not sure yet time will tell.....



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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: April 11 2021 at 3:35pm

ABC News: Scott Morrison abandons target to have all Australians vaccinated against COVID-19 by the end of the year.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-11/scott-morrison-abandons-covid-19-vaccination-target/100061998 - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-11/scott-morrison-abandons-covid-19-vaccination-target/100061998


And there's only 20 million of us ...!!!!!!

Can't be that hard......



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Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: April 13 2021 at 7:09am

Our state, Oklahoma, has done well getting the vaccines out there. I got my 1st one in January, 2nd in February. I got Pfizer, no reaction from the 1st, 2nd I was tired for about 24 hours. Pretty much any one that wants the vaccine can get one. 



Posted By: cobber
Date Posted: April 14 2021 at 9:05pm

Vaccines can be good. They can also be very dangerous. The Covid Vaccines don't have sufficient test data to rule them safe in my opinion. Take AstraZeneca and their blood clotting deaths as an example. 


Also amazingly. The drug companies were given special government dispensation for this very problem. Essentially if they kill or harm you they can't be sued. This is an obvious admission from the government and drug companies that they consider the vaccines risky.


How about some data... because I know how much you all love to read the data.

The CDC has a system where you can research vaccine adverse events (and report them). Vaccine Adverse Reporting System (VAERS)

https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html - https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html


I don't know exactly what this data means, but when your in the coal mine and your canary drops dead...


PS: I'm not in a risk category, I won't be taking the vaccine



Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: April 14 2021 at 10:26pm

Cobber-the statistic you show corresponds with being in a pandemic. Yes the number of deaths goes up. Yes some of those deaths did use medication. But also if there was no pandemic a lot less of the medication would be used-so you would not see such an increase...

Another point-governments taking responsabilities from commercial companies for the risks from their products. I think it is "far from the best deal" for the general public. A political choice. "We" are pushing billions of tax payers money to very rich big pharma companies-increase their wealth-but also WE have to take the risks for the products...

Since this is a global crisis Big Pharma should be taken over by the government. Big Pharma is not only making vaccines, also tests, medication used on ICU etc. Profit should be excluded as much as possible in this pandemic...(maybe suddenly Ivermectin would get on top of the list...so Big Pharma gets out of government control to go for their main goal-profit. They are NOT a charity !!!).

In NL the health minister made the claim AZ/O vaccine did give clotting problems in 1 in 25,000 persons (most HCW-ers 20-60 y/o a lot of them female). International that risk is believed to be less then 1 in 100.000. There is no "risk-free" vaccine...

I would love to be vaccinated ASAP ! Most vaccines are very much safer then going into traffic ! 

The lack of international coordination-or any coordination-in vaccines increases risk of vaccine escape. The global approach of this pandemic is a show of utter stupidity...



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Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: April 14 2021 at 10:50pm

Our tv news last night had a piece on the blood clots associated with a couple of the vaccines. The figures they showed were.

For 100,000 people vaccinated              0,65 will have blood clots.

For 100,000 people with covid-19 16,500      will have blood clots.


I am willing to risk the vaccination as the odds of 0.65 v 16,500 seem massively in favour of the vaccination.


ps. my wife just got her first dose (so far no reports of side effects).



Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: April 15 2021 at 1:57am

Originally posted by cobber cobber wrote:

Vaccines can be good. They can also be very dangerous. The Covid Vaccines don't have sufficient test data to rule them safe in my opinion. Take AstraZeneca and their blood clotting deaths as an example. 


Also amazingly. The drug companies were given special government dispensation for this very problem. Essentially if they kill or harm you they can't be sued. This is an obvious admission from the government and drug companies that they consider the vaccines risky.


PS: I'm not in a risk category, I won't be taking the vaccine

What most people don't seem aware of is that all the current covid vaccines are in the experimental stage. It takes years for a vaccine to pass the safety tests and thankfully this process can't be sped up because it is time that will tell if there are any long term consequences to a particular vaccine. It's one of the reasons why big Pharma has been given exemption from litigation. By agreeing to have an experimental vaccine you are allowing yourself to become a lab rat. 

If the vaccines were similar to the conventional vaccines that we've all been using for years, then I would probably have it, but it's the fact that they are mRNA type vaccines - a type of vaccine that has never been successfully made safe in the past - that is making me nervous. Thankfully here in NZ they haven't got to my age group yet so I haven't had to decide but I'm watching the evidence closely. I'm reminded of thalyidomide and how it was hailed as the wonder drug to stop morning sickness. And it did. It was only 9 months later when the first baby was born without limbs that the alarm was sounded.



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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: April 15 2021 at 2:14am

KiwiMum-good points ! 

The only reason I'm (now) willing to go for vaccines is that this pandemic is getting out of control in many places. Vaccines may offer some protection. I am already at a certain age-so I may be willing to take some risks...

The best way to stop this pandemic is stopping virus/variants spread. And that did not change-maybe even did get more urgent...Since we do not seem to be willing to stop virus spreading for me vaccines are "plan B"...

I envy those that are now in safe countries-hope you all stay safe ! 



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Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: April 15 2021 at 2:07pm

Today in the UK's The Telegraph newspaper is an article about potentially shutting down streets to stop the spread of variants by asymptomatic Covid sufferers. This is part of the problem with the vaccines. They allow people to still get Covid and to be infectious but they take away some or all of the tell tale symptoms. 

I foresee mandatory testing, much like they've introduced in schools in the UK. I have some young cousins who are required to self test twice a week. Without such testing, the variants will run riot when being spread by people who don't realise they have them.



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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: April 15 2021 at 3:44pm

Is it the responsibility of the person who is community minded to go get the vaccine,to worry about the person who just doesn't give a damn,and won't wear a mask let alone get vaccinated ??.......

Just asking ......lol

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Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: April 15 2021 at 8:16pm

I've just seen Scott Morrison (Australia's prime minister) who has said that if Australia opens up it's borders, then they will get 1000 cases of Covid a week even if all the vulnerable people had been vaccinated. 




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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: April 16 2021 at 2:56pm

Compare the numbers and you will see that ANY of the vaccines are a better proposition than the bug.

If you can't do the maths (or can't be bothered to) simply look at all the hospital beds full of covid sufferers and the 'surprising' lack of vaccine-damaged people failing to fill any beds.

The vaccines are NOT safe, but they are massively less unsafe than not getting vaccinated.



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Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: April 16 2021 at 6:58pm

Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

Compare the numbers and you will see that ANY of the vaccines are a better proposition than the bug.

If you can't do the maths (or can't be bothered to) simply look at all the hospital beds full of covid sufferers and the 'surprising' lack of vaccine-damaged people failing to fill any beds.

The vaccines are NOT safe, but they are massively less unsafe than not getting vaccinated.

Well I think that depends on a) your current health status and b) your age. There is probably more risk of injury to a healthy, fit, slim 18 year old in having the vaccine than there is in getting Covid and the opposite for an obese, diabetic 70 year old. It's all relative.



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Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: April 16 2021 at 10:41pm

Well I am getting my first shoot this coming Wednesday.  When I have got the shot, I will be given a time slot in exactly 12 weeks with the appointment at the same time of day (11.45 - 11.50)!


Not sure which type it will be, but as Techno said I can look at the maths and would rather a tiny risk than a huge risk.



Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: April 17 2021 at 1:35am

DJ

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/general-science-information/vaccines-information/vaccine-news/91914-finland-national-health-dept-suspends-a-h1n1-vaccine-due-to-possible-narcolepsy-connection-other-countries-investigate?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/general-science-information/vaccines-information/vaccine-news/91914-finland-national-health-dept-suspends-a-h1n1-vaccine-due-to-possible-narcolepsy-connection-other-countries-investigate?view=stream - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/general-science-information/vaccines-information/vaccine-news/91914-finland-national-health-dept-suspends-a-h1n1-vaccine-due-to-possible-narcolepsy-connection-other-countries-investigate?view=stream ; (latest activity-this story starts in 2010 !) Narcolepsy type 1 (NT1) is a chronic neurological disorder having a strong association with HLA-DQB1*0602, thereby suggesting an immunological origin. Increased risk of NT1 has been reported among children or adolescents vaccinated with AS03 adjuvant-supplemented pandemic H1N1 influenza A vaccine, Pandemrix.

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These results thus identify POMT1 as a potential autoantigen recognized by T- and B-cells in NT1.

DJ What I understend of this story on Pandemrix-FluShot that it can cause an auto-immune reaction..

[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/912981-next-generation-covid-19-vaccines-are-supposed-to-be-better-some-experts-worry-they-could-be-worse[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/912981-next-generation-covid-19-vaccines-are-supposed-to-be-better-some-experts-worry-they-could-be-worse - https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/united-states-ab/united-states-covid-19-sars-cov-2-september-13-2020-may-31-2021/912981-next-generation-covid-19-vaccines-are-supposed-to-be-better-some-experts-worry-they-could-be-worse ;In the case of Covid, some scientists are concerned that the immune system’s reaction to the vaccines being deployed now could leave an indelible imprint, and that next-generation products, updated in response to emerging variants of the SARS-CoV-2, won’t confer as much protection.

Michael Worobey, who was been involved in groundbreaking research on imprinting with influenza, said he worries the responses to first-generation Covid-19 vaccines will prove to be “a high-water mark” for people’s immune responses to these inoculations...

DJ-For now I would be willing to get vaccinated...but the goal of getting vaccinated is to get protection. With the P1, P3, India-variants increasing-very likely to become dominant within a few months-the present vaccines may not be "good enough" any longer...

So: A -We have to do ALL WE CAN to stop spreading the virus-variants-that has to be the main point !!!

B-Yes vaccines may offer protection. But we are now around 4 months into this vaccine-strategy and maybe 10% of the global population did get vaccinated...It is a "BIG JOB" vaccinating the billions...For now Israel is an indication of good protection=low new cases...I hope they can keep new variants out...

C-New variants like P1, P3, India may be even spreading MORE !!! due to vaccines. Vaccine selection is stopping the milder variants...giving room for other variants..



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Posted By: Liam389
Date Posted: April 17 2021 at 10:23am

I will!

http://www.google.com - www.google.com



Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: April 17 2021 at 2:52pm

Welcome Liam389 I think your our first Singaporean on this site ,be great to have your opinion/insight

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Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: May 06 2021 at 10:38am

Finally, my mother and I had our first dose of the Moderna vax Tuesday the 4th.  Wanted to do it sooner, but we were having car trouble, and due to my unemployment benefit year ending, I went two months without receiving my unemployment, so no $ to fix the car, necessitating only short trips.  So I found a pharmacy where we were able to drive a short distance and both get in and receive the shot at the same time.

All went well, and side effects so far have been limited to (extremely) sore arms for both of us, and a slight headache for me.  Second shots are scheduled for June 1.  Looking forward to it!



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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: May 06 2021 at 2:36pm

Had my flu jab Wednesday,arm aches like a bas...d!!!!! LoL

C19 booked 15 June,guess it's AZ


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Posted By: Albert
Date Posted: May 06 2021 at 6:05pm

I got the J&J vax today at CVS.   The one-shot is the way to go, for me anyway.  :)



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Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: May 06 2021 at 11:19pm

Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

I got the J&J vax today at CVS.   The one-shot is the way to go, for me anyway.  :)

Hi Albert, long time no see. I really miss the old regulars on here.



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Posted By: ME163
Date Posted: May 07 2021 at 8:40am

Albert, good to see you again...  You are the best, man. 

KOMET163/ME163



Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: May 09 2021 at 4:47pm

I (finally) got my first shot.  Moderna.  My second jab is scheduled for May 20th.  This means I'll be celebrating my own personal independence day on June 3rd.  

No reaction at all to the first shot.  Not even a sore arm.  The injection site was slightly sensitive for a day but only if I touched the injection site.    



Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: May 18 2021 at 8:58am

Technobrat and I got the second dose of the Astra-Zeneca yesterday.  Again, she felt like crap and I feel as if they injected me with plain water or saline.  Life is slowly returning to normal here.  We have not relaxed all our precautions, but the bulk of the worry is gone.

Technobrat's best friend lives the other side of Aberdeen, they have seen each other only twice in the last year (we were shielding, so was BFF)  She is off to stay with her (shielding is over for her too - chemo over) for several weeks.   (The full vaccine effect will have kicked in before returning.)


I quite enjoyed the isolation, as I got loads done, but I am heartily sick of it now.  We shall now get some 'life' in before our next lockdown (new variants).



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Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: May 23 2021 at 12:51am

Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

I got the J&J vax today at CVS.   The one-shot is the way to go, for me anyway.  :)

Hi, boss!  Well done!!  

Thanks to all of us for getting the vaccine, these are brilliant!  No chicken eggs to fuss with, no attenuated virus like with smallpox (I have stories), just pure messenger RNA delivered to the interior of our cells via lipid capsules or trojan cold virus. 

We are all part of a natural experiment - the mRNA vaccines can be deployed very rapidly, and these will give us a valuable tool to fight future pandemics such as H5N1 or H7N9, if and when they emerge.  We can count on something yet emerging to whack humanity unawares!!  

You are all great folks, be safe!!  Cheers, Charles



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Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: May 25 2021 at 8:48am

I received my second Moderna jab last Friday.  Other than a knot at the injection site and a few days of more than usual fatigue, I had no adverse reaction.    I'm glad it's done and hoping the immunity lasts past six months as I hope to travel down south to visit my sister's family for Christmas.  



Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: May 25 2021 at 2:41pm

I'm confused......

I'm booked in for my jab on 15june I'm guessing it's the AZ,but I thought the AZ was a one shot ,

However, my brother in law in the UK has had 2 shots of AZ.....

What's the story 1 or 2 shots ??

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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: May 25 2021 at 9:45pm

carbon20 AZ=two shots; [url]https://www.rivm.nl/en/covid-19-vaccination/questions-and-answers#oneortwo[/url] or https://www.rivm.nl/en/covid-19-vaccination/questions-and-answers#oneortwo - https://www.rivm.nl/en/covid-19-vaccination/questions-and-answers#oneortwo ;

When is one vaccination enough?

A single vaccination is enough in the following situations:

When do I get two vaccinations?



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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: May 26 2021 at 3:14am

I had Astra Zenica, as did my daughter.   Two shots two months apart.  (6 weeks to 3 months is advised.)  

There is talk of a booster in the autumn as well.



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Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: May 26 2021 at 2:10pm

It's the Johnson and Johnson that is the one shot. Astra Zeneca is a 2 shot one. It hasn't been approved here so the vaccine programme is all Pfizer here.



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Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: June 08 2021 at 10:07am

My mother and I had our second Moderna shots last Tuesday, June 1st.  We both had (extremely) sore arms, chills, fatigue, headaches and body aches the next day.  She had no fever, but I got one that went up to 102.4°F.  Fun!  But when the booster occurs in the fall, we will be there!



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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: June 16 2021 at 3:06am

Wife had AZ vaccine yesterday,no problems,not even sore arm,mine on Saturday,was supposed to be yesterday ,but had a bit of a cold at weekend....

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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: June 24 2021 at 1:29am






Just had my AZ vaccine .....

Will keep you posted.... take care all ๐Ÿ˜ท๐Ÿ˜‰



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Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: June 25 2021 at 4:48pm

Very slight nausea/headache in the morning,ok all day,tired out end of day ,less sore arm than flu shot.

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