Why are there so many "idiots" ?
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Topic: Why are there so many "idiots" ?
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Subject: Why are there so many "idiots" ?
Date Posted: January 24 2021 at 2:53am
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DJ, The short answer is because "we" created them... People here on this forum often do not realize they represent a better educated, informed group of society. "We" are priviligezed... Even the above sentence, for me a simple one, may be above what a lot of people are able to understand. They are not "idiots" in the sense of a mental health issue-but because of social neglect. If you do not offer proper education, information the outcome has to be people denying science... When you look at social changes the last few decades-the changes are massive. "Everything"went digital...on the other hand here in NL a few million people are having serious problems with reading and writing...The last few decades the gap widened.. Another factor is how those people are treated. They have become "outsiders". Political parties fail to represent these groups-so they get their own "parties" and candidates...trump, brexit are symptoms..not the disease. Instead of trying to give those people a better chance, better care, better education these groups were cornered even harder... That these groups now are full of hatred and violence is a reaction to "passive agression" of a majority who did have better chances so far. Turning your back to someone in need, refusing to offer help, IS an act of agression... It should worry all of us a large group of people in the US seem to believe "trump and biden swapped faces" and other insanity.. It should worry us because this proces is not new...we did see it less then a 100 years ago in Germany most...Then it were the Jews (again) blamed for everything going wrong. "Jews" were "the problem", killing them all "a solution"... The only effective answer is improve communication, take people serious ! Stop marginalizing them-and go after those that exploit them...because also the nazi's did get funding, were exploited... It is easy to say "I kick all of these idiots out of my contacts" but it may worsen the problem ! I know that the way I talk/write "is in another language" for most other people...and I try to keep it simple and short. We need much better, effective, communications and accepting for a lot of people reading two sentences may be "as if they did read half a book"... It is urgent to deal with the communication problem, we "need to fix stupid" as best as we can...or "stupid will come after us"... ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: January 24 2021 at 9:52am
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On the Amsterdam Museumplein and the 18 Septemberplein in the city center of Eindhoven, the police have used water cannons, horses, dogs, and baton to put an end to prohibited demonstrations against the government's corona measures. In both cities, fireworks were thrown at the police, and in Eindhoven, the police used tear gas against demonstrators. In https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/24/anti-islam-group-pegida-may-ignore-rules-demonstrate-eindhoven" style="box-sizing: border-box; background-color: transparent; color: rgb(33, 70, 139); text-decoration: underline; - Eindhoven , the anti-Islam movement Pegida and the action group Netherlands in Resistance wanted to demonstrate on Sunday, despite being refused a permit. The protests in both cities escalated, and police officers had to use force to break the crowds up. Similar scenarios already took place last weekend in Amsterdam. According to the police, dozens of people have been arrested in Eindhoven. On the https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/24/police-tighten-security-amsterdam-last-weeks-demonstrations" style="box-sizing: border-box; background-color: transparent; color: rgb(33, 70, 139); text-decoration: underline; - Museumplein , the several hundred people present were told by the police to leave. Anyone who did not was removed from the square by the police. DJ-This was in NL but could/did happen in other countries as well. Demagogues are "playing with people" that lack the education and good info to understand they are being played...Some of them realy believe "they are fighting for freedom" and stopping "communism, concentrationcamps, Bill Gates/nanochips etc"... The Dutch security services are very worried over increasing extremism and "violent tendencies"...a part of the funding for these groups comes from US "conservative groups" . [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_United_States_anti-lockdown_protests[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_United_States_anti-lockdown_protests - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_United_States_anti-lockdown_protests and [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiscience#Right-wing_antiscience[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiscience#Right-wing_antiscience - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiscience#Right-wing_antiscience DJ Also in NL there seems to be an overlap between right wing religous groups and (often neo-nazi linked) other "protest groups". QAnon is also a major problem in NL (we do have very good internet, English is the second language-some "groups"are orientated on US/UK groups...neo-nazis tried to infiltrate via/in soccer/football supporters...some of them also have links with drug trade... For safety reasons I can not go into this much further... ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: January 24 2021 at 12:47pm
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Ignorance is just one of our problems, Josh. People here are fearful of diversity. WASPs here are seeing their numbers dwindle, and they fear they're losing the strength that is in their numbers and the advantage that that brings them, so they are acting like they are the oppressed group, because they have leadership that knows how to play on their fear, and whip it up into action that benefits the leadership. I experienced this recently when I went on a website that I saw touted as one where people of different belief systems could come together and reach consensus and defeat the hate that has separated us. Amid the conversation, I asked a question about a situation that happened in my life a few months ago. Now you have to remember that I tick more than one box, in terms of out-groups. I got 7 responses. 5 were very kind, and out of those, I received 3 responses that had some real, actionable help, and two that were supportive. The other two were mean and rather attacking, and one of those read stuff into what I had written that was nowhere in my writing, but was just stuff they pulled out of their @$$ somewhere. And I received admonitions from probably half of them for not ticking some of their boxes, and admonitions (not invitations) to become one of them. They are really that threatened by people who are not like them. It seems that this website is an established one that reflects a certain perspective, not one that was newly set up to fight the hate and divisions, as it was advertised. That is how things are here,and a problem this country faces. |
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: January 24 2021 at 1:34pm
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ViQueen24, what you describe sounds to me as a form of tribalism...if you are not from our tribe "you are nothing"-like ... Here in NL demonstrations against curfew/lockdown are going out of control...most severe riots in 40 years...I disagree with the protestors but share a sense of frustration over a bunch of incompetent big mouths called "our government" that made this mess... By now very likely hundreds of arrests and tension/unrest all over the country..never had this unrest this widespread in Nl. In 1980/81 we had (much) larger riots but in one place... We need good communication by people that still have some credits...most of the "politicians" have lost all credits... ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: January 24 2021 at 1:57pm
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The thing is that that tribalism or fear of diversity and the way their leadership played upon it was one of the building blocks of the riot in the Capitol, and of the whole movement behind the riot. And just because it seems quiet now, doesn't mean it's over. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 24 2021 at 4:37pm
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We are all tribal to some extent, Followers of sports team..... Followers of religion.... Followers of AFT.... the problem in the digital age is, At the flick of a switch,a punch of a button on the TV controller ,you can Dislike, unfriened ,(cancel culture)someone who disagrees with your opinion.... You can also go find someone who agrees with your way of thinking.....even though thay maybe miles from you even on the other side of the world. The idea that there are still people out there that want to possess slaves and put people in gas chambers like the Chump supporters, and Islamic state, Knowing these animals can get together online is very worrying....... how do you stop it it's not going to get any better..... 21st century indeed..... Some are only just starting to walk upright........ Take care all ๐ท๐ ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: January 24 2021 at 4:59pm
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And let me add the fact a unarmed protester was shot and killed and everyone is fine with that shows the level of hypocrisy. Now had the police shot and killed an unarmed protester this summer that would have resulted in even more destruction and violence. And the left would say the resulting violence and destruction was justified as a result of that unarmed protester being killed. But the protester shot and killed was on the right so that makes it ok. Not once have I seen anyone ask the question why didn't they use less than lethal means on that protester. Hypocrisy at it's finest and rationalized by the hive. And the video of the shooting clearly shows that the tactical officers close by and down the stairs didn't consider the protesters a threat. Notice where the barrels on their M4's are pointed, pointed down and the business end isn't down when there is a threat. https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2021/01/08/newly-available-video-shows-fatal-shooting-of-pro-trump-rioter-ashli-babbitt-in-the-capitol/ - https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2021/01/08/newly-available-video-shows-fatal-shooting-of-pro-trump-rioter-ashli-babbitt-in-the-capitol/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ9oThRuMVs&%3Bfeature=youtu.be&%3Bbpctr=1610038009&%3Bab_channel=NationalFile&has_verified=1&bpctr=1611544156 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ9oThRuMVs&%3Bfeature=youtu.be&%3Bbpctr=1610038009&%3Bab_channel=NationalFile&has_verified=1&bpctr=1611544156 ------------- โFacts don't care about your feelings.โ โ Ben Shapiro |
ViQueen24 wrote:Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: January 24 2021 at 6:37pm
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5 deaths. Not two. According to The Guardian, there were a total of 25 Black lives matter riot deaths1 (Forbes only made it 19) (The Washington Post made it 27 - but pointed out that the figure was inflated by adding in many killings which did not result from the protests)2.3 and more black people were shot dead by police that year than even the biggest estimates of the BLM violence.4 But the attack was on democracy itself. It was not an attack on a person, a building but the very basis of the freedom and voice of the people. It was IMHO terrorism. 1 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled 2 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/06/08/14-days-of-protests-19-dead/ - https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/06/08/14-days-of-protests-19-dead/ 3 Calvin Horton - possible looter, post protests. One of the deaths atributed to the violence was run over (Robert Forbes). The most telling of the deaths was that of Sean Montorossa, kneeling when he was shot by police - unarmed by the way. It is one thing to be accused of violence and be counted as a statistic thereof, but another entirely and far worse if you are a victim, as he was. His death is exactly the sort of thing the riots were about. I could continue, but frankly, I can't see the point as, just like the medical emergencies at the capitol, dead is dead. Except this time all they were asking for was equality. The capitol rioters wanted to overturn a democratically obtained vote. Let me say that again: "The capitol rioters wanted to overturn a democratically obtained vote." They also wanted to Hang Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi - democratically elected politicians. and add: "The BLM protesters wanted to be allowed to exist, to live, to be given justice." 4 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/26/almost-none-deaths-linked-recent-protests-are-known-have-been-committed-by-protesters/ - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/26/almost-none-deaths-linked-recent-protests-are-known-have-been-committed-by-protesters/ One group wanted justice, the other wanted to dictate who ruled. One group wanted to live, the other wanted to kill. I hope you can see the difference ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: January 24 2021 at 7:18pm
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Well said Techno. It was the reaction to the riots that really stood out to me. The Black Lives Matter protesters were largely mixed race with a high percentage of black protesters. They were unarmed and peaceful. And Trump sent in the military in huge numbers to quash the riots. And yet people have the right to peaceful protest. The assault on democracy a couple of weeks ago was made up of predominantly white protesters, many of whom were heavily armed, and yet Trump withheld the national guard. He actively refused to send them in. The protesters were never intending on having a peaceful protest, it was their intention from the beginning to storm the capitol building, so they should have been met with resistance on the steps. That's hypocracy for you. Can you imagine what would have happened if the BLM marchers were armed? They would have been gunned down in the street. If you carry a gun, regardless of where you are pointing it, you are giving a message out. The rioters at the Capitol building a fortnight ago were armed to the teeth and their message was perfectly clear and yet they were almost unopposed. Those deaths are on Trumps hands. He wanted them to succeed. He wanted to see chaos and anarchy erupt. Shame on him. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesnโt accord with the facts. |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: January 24 2021 at 8:10pm
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https://acleddata.com/#/dashboard - https://acleddata.com And I did say as a result of violence in regards to the number of deaths at the capitol did I not? And I neither condone nor do I accept the use of violence of the riots this summer or at the capitol. Clearly you do condone the use of violence rather than the use of our constitutional right to peacefully protest. Or at the bare minimum you are making excuses for the violence this summer. Protesting does not involve looting, arson, throwing explosives at police or property damage. So I guess the siege of the federal courthouse in Portland for 3 months was terrorism as well since it was against the government and the elected President. Curious I didn't hear you call it terrorism then now did you? Again hypocrisy. The FBI definition of domestic terrorism clearly states such activities were indeed just that. "more black people were shot dead by police that year than even the biggest estimates of the BLM violence" Do you care to clarify that statement? What was the criteria for the shooting? Justified? Unjustified? "The most telling of the deaths was that of Sean Montorossa, kneeling when he was shot by police - unarmed by the way. It is one thing to be accused of violence and be counted as a statistic thereof, but another entirely and far worse if you are a victim, as he was. His death is exactly the sort of thing the riots were about." And now the facts. According to Williams, police were first called to the Walgreens at 10:17 p.m. on June 1 amid reports of looting. At 12:15 a.m., officers received a second call indicating that looters had returned to the Walgreens and were attempting to break into the pharmacy. According to reports, officers arrived on the scene and reported a crowd of 10 to 12 people in the parking lot at 12:36 a.m. Officers then observed the crowd filing into two vehicles, a silver truck and a black sedan. Police claim the black sedan then rammed into the unmarked cruiser, injuring the officer inside, before speeding out of the parking lot behind the silver truck. The silver truck was apprehended shortly thereafter, Williams reported. Sometime before the black sedan fled the scene, police say they saw Monterrosa running toward the sedan. According to Williams, Monterrosa got on his knees and lifted his hands above his waist, revealing a 15-inch hammer in his sweatshirt pocket which an officer mistook for a gun. The officer then fired five times through the windshield of the police vehicle and struck Monterrosa once, according to police. On the night of Monterrosa’s death, Williams claimed that Vallejo experienced unprecedented crime. According to Williams’ statement, many businesses were destroyed or severely damaged. “Monday was a horrific night, something we haven’t seen in 27 years. It was an orchestrated, organized assault on our city,” Williams said. “There were social media advertisements to come to Vallejo and commit looting and crime.” Williams also detailed Monterrosa’s criminal history, which includes shoplifting, petty theft, illegal weapons violations, assault with a deadly weapon, shooting into an inhabited dwelling, carrying a loaded firearm in a vehicle, possession of narcotics for sale and attempted murder. https://heavy.com/news/2020/06/sean-monterrosa-fatally-shot/ - https://heavy.com/news/2020/06/sean-monterrosa-fatally-shot/ Yeah he was a choir boy in the wrong place at the wrong time just minding his business. Funny how it looks different when all the facts are represented. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. ------------- โFacts don't care about your feelings.โ โ Ben Shapiro |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: January 24 2021 at 8:53pm
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And so Trump used "huge numbers of the military" to crush the riots. Go ahead and list where all those huge numbers of military were deployed and the number of troops used to "crush the riots". The only NG deployed by Trump was in DC to protect buildings and monuments from being destroyed by the "peaceful " protesters. Again melodramatic and not factual. Again prove it. And again you can't. And this is peaceful as you claim about the riots this summer? Hate to see your definition of unpeaceful. ------------- โFacts don't care about your feelings.โ โ Ben Shapiro |
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: January 24 2021 at 9:56pm
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DJ, Calling those that cause riots all kinds of names does not help, could make matters worse.. Here in NL mayors, politicians already are in competition in name calling...I would like to see much less "idiots".... I see myself as an optimistic person and love to believe better communications will work. Starting to see those "idiots" as humans with problems may be a good start... Proberbly you can split up the "idiots" in several groups. "Sensation seekers"-sometimes intoxicated, may be the most problematic one...But that there is frustration in many is imaginable and I share that frustration..."it should not be this way"... I doubt most of these "idiots" have a basic knowledge on pandemics...and maybe there is a problem to be solved. Here in NL yesterday we had the largest, most severe, riots in 40 years...What is different now are the "smart phones"...A lot of the "protesters"were filming, it may not be that hard to detect wich "smart phone was were" during these riots...Also many of the riots-and "protesters" are on film. But we can not have this kind of unrest while variants are spreading full speed... ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: January 24 2021 at 11:05pm
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Capitol. Black Lives Matter. Difference between the two? Very simple. Group #1's agenda was to prevent government business: the beginning of the official transfer of power, and impose their will over the will of the majority of voters. It was an insurrection, it was a coup attempt. And it will be prosecuted and hopefully punished as such. The BLM protests were 96% peaceful: https://www.wshu.org/post/uconn-study-least-96-black-lives-matter-protests-were-peaceful#stream/0 - https://www.wshu.org/post/uconn-study-least-96-black-lives-matter-protests-were-peaceful#stream/0 https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/photo-exposes-washington-rioters-chilling-plan/news-story/b02655d283a307198b73c8eb33d6300d - https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/photo-exposes-washington-rioters-chilling-plan/news-story/b02655d283a307198b73c8eb33d6300d https://www.huffpost.com/entry/us-capitol-riot-weapons_n_5ffcff2fc5b6c77d85e96e56 - https://www.huffpost.com/entry/us-capitol-riot-weapons_n_5ffcff2fc5b6c77d85e96e56 |
Posted By: Kilt5
Date Posted: January 24 2021 at 11:07pm
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Natural Selection coming up |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: January 25 2021 at 9:21am
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No, AI, I already gave my sources in the links I posted with the rest of my reply and I am tired of arguing with you. You are determined to make one group look bad and the other good. I don't believe you are open minded enough to change your stance - in the face of both evidence and the weight of opinion. So what is the point of arguing? I remember you accusing me of picking the loser too often, well I learned from that and I can't win an argument with a brick wall. I do not know for certain that you are a racist, but you are obviously a fanatical supporter of the ex liar-in-chief and he was, without a doubt. Setting out deliberately to kill and either killing, or getting killed by accident, are different things; as are begging to be given equal rites and trying to overturn democracy. Yes, they are still dead and that is terrible, no death is forgiveable. But one group is guilty and the other just unlucky. That is why there is a difference between murder and manslaughter. Can you not see this, logically if not emotionally? Opportunists cashing in on unrest, by vandalism, violence and looting see a great opportunity in large riots, but the dangers of being shot for looting are probably far less (they certainly look smaller - and it's image that counts here) than the chance of being photographed by security cameras in the capitol and done for treason. So, I am certain there were a larger percentage of genuine insurrectionists at Capitol hill than BLM protestors in the BLM riots. Facts are the gold standard of logical argument, no argument there, but not all facts are known and sometimes extrapolation is necessary. Statistics are also facts, cast iron ones, but they can be selected for relevance - to a particular argument - and presented in a skewed way. They are also genuinely suspect when some of the collectors or collators have a vested interest. Finally, and importantly: KiwiMum's expressions were not melodrama, but the honest reaction of a person with some empathy. You can harrangue me all you like, but KiwiMum is a lady and far too polite, for me to let your insult to her go unchallenged. She and I have argued many a point, she is never rude and you probably owe her an appology. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: January 25 2021 at 12:30pm
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Again well said Techno. AI is obviously a huge Trump supporter and therefore, by association, a supporter of the Capitol building rioters. You are completely right about trying to argue with a brick wall - it's pointless. AI enjoys being rude, he likes to take offense where none is intended, and he believes that he and his opinion is right at all times. All I can say is that some people don't have the capacity to even entertain another person's point of view, and that in itself limits the extent to which they can converse. I'm always trying to teach my children the importance of being able to be objective and not subjective. My son has an excellent saying which is believers don't need proof and sceptics won't accept proof. He's right. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesnโt accord with the facts. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: January 25 2021 at 1:00pm
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Believers don't need proof and sceptics won't accept proof. I love that! 'Economies Recover, Corpses Don't' is getting a bit stale. Do you mind if I adopt it as my new signature? ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: January 25 2021 at 6:29pm
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Am I the only one who thinks there's a difference between rioting in the streets over BLM and the seditious act of invading the capitol and interrupting the confirmation of a new POTUS? |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 25 2021 at 6:57pm
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The only difference....... One was organized by a sitting president SWORN to upheld the will of the people who deliberately held back the forces of law and order so to feed his monstrous EGO , he was probably sitting playing with himself as he watched the moronic hoads do his bidding...... The other were people looking for rights and justice in a country that espouses rights and freedoms , Seen by the rest of the world as to be the BIGGEST HYPOCRITES we have ever seen......... Your standing in the word is ZERO......your morals have gone down the drain...... Seriously you have a huge moral problem...... Mind what do you expect when 70 million of you voted for Slavery and Concentration camps....... You have a SICKNESS ingrained into you........called MAGA CHUMP has brought you down to his level .........sickman sick country...... "Strange Fruit on that poplar tree".........Yes you havn't grown much in 400 years.....you regressed........into subhuman.....Well 70 million of you Thankfully 80 million seem to be moving into the 21st century...... Not living In the 1700's...... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 25 2021 at 7:19pm
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Dr. Fauci discusses threats against wife and children https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/01/26/dr-anthony-fauci-threats-intv-sot-ebof-vpx.cnn - https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/01/26/dr-anthony-fauci-threats-intv-sot-ebof-vpx.cnn Sick sick people, sick country....... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: January 25 2021 at 7:27pm
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"No, AI, I already gave my sources in the links I posted with the rest of my reply and I am tired of arguing with you." In other words you can't dispute ACLED's statistics regarding the number of deaths attributed by them to the riots this summer. And I'm quite sure you checked it out and found them to be non partisan and highly reputable. "You are determined to make one group look bad and the other good." I'm not try to make anyone look bad or good, their actions do that by themselves. Curious that you can see the violence on one side but obviously can't on the other side. And you condone the violence. Violence is violence. And as provided the FBI definition of terrorism applies to both sides. " I do not know for certain that you are a racist, but you are obviously a fanatical supporter of the ex liar-in-chief and he was, without a doubt." Suspected racist and fanatical you say, yet you consider melodramatic an insult. Hypocritical much? Not the first time though is it or even the second. A feeble attempt at character assassination. Weak, very very weak. " But one group is guilty and the other just unlucky. " Interesting you are unable to see that everyone is responsible for their actions and continue to make excuses and justify bad actions. Illegal is illegal. Violence is violence. "Facts are the gold standard of logical argument, no argument there, but not all facts are known and sometimes extrapolation is necessary. Statistics are also facts, cast iron ones, but they can be selected for relevance - to a particular argument - and presented in a skewed way. They are also genuinely suspect when some of the collectors or collators have a vested interest." And you have ignored facts and statistics when they don't fit your narrative, haven't you. "Finally, and importantly: KiwiMum's expressions were not melodrama, but the honest reaction of a person with some empathy. You can harrangue me all you like, but KiwiMum is a lady and far too polite, for me to let your insult to her go unchallenged. She and I have argued many a point, she is never rude and you probably owe her an appology." Hardly an honest reaction if the information provided is knowingly without the basis of fact and slanted politically, which it was. And melodramatic is hardly an insult. And it was a term aptly used and wholly appropriate in regards to her post. British English: melodramatic ADJECTIVE Melodramatic behaviour is behaviour in which someone treats a situation as much more serious than it really is. https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/melodramatic" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(255, 132, 0) !important; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4; text-decoration: none !important; - https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/melodramatic Ever have a neighbor or a relative who wants to tell you how to run your house or how to raise your kids? LOL ------------- โFacts don't care about your feelings.โ โ Ben Shapiro |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: January 25 2021 at 7:38pm
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------------- โFacts don't care about your feelings.โ โ Ben Shapiro |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: January 25 2021 at 7:42pm
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------------- โFacts don't care about your feelings.โ โ Ben Shapiro |
Posted By: ME163
Date Posted: January 25 2021 at 8:51pm
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I have a statement to make on ( ME163 ). ME 163 is currently in a nursing home on oxygen due to post covid issues. He and his girlfriend are in the same nursing home. He is having heart and lung issues. He hopes to rejoin the forum in the nest few weeks when he and his girlfriend are recovered from the issues. Until then he is hopeful that the forum members stay safe from this crap. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 26 2021 at 2:51am
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Give ME163 our best wishes Take care all ๐ท๐ ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: cobber
Date Posted: January 26 2021 at 6:19am
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Why do you guys always devolve into discussing politics. I put forward something about WHO covid assessments changing literally on US inauguration day and some one called me a d...khead. Then prattled on about guff about Biden. I've been on this site longer than most here. I had to leave due to the level of stupidity being espoused. Facts were overruled by feelings. Every time I come here its the latest fear publication from the media being discussed and gobbled up. This place has become a circle jerk. Its sad as it was once a place where ideas could be discussed. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: January 26 2021 at 7:02am
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Me163, Get well soonest, Pal. How Bloody awful for you to end up in this state. Amid the arguments, insults and point scoring, your post stood out! (I think it was put in by a friend or relative, in which case, a heartfelt: "Thank you!" to them!). We are thinking of you. We wish you well. Let us know as soon as you are well enough to post. We will be watching. Hey everyone, how about a mention in your prayers - I know they are buisy at present, but Me163 is one of our own. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: January 26 2021 at 10:19am
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I hear you. We attracted quite a few new members with the outbreak of Covid, and while most of them are fine, there's a few who want to show the rest of us how clever they are, how superior and how right they are at all times. They also seem to be looking to take offense even where none is obviously intended so they can have a good argument and show us yet again how pedantic they can be and just how superior they are. There have been a couple of Trump supporters who are intent on throwing their toys out of their pram each and every day - heaven forbid anyone should criticize the marvellous Mr Trump or point out any of his failures. They confuse fact with fiction. To say Trump did nothing to quell the spread of Covid is fact, it's not an assault on him personally, it's simply a fact. And that's the trouble on here. These people are too sensitive and too angry and so they cloud each and every argument with trying to justify their beliefs. We've recently had a nice long run of good discussion because AI was somewhere else, presumably bashing another chatroom, but now he's gracing us with his company again and it's all becoming very boring and repetitive. It reminds me of one of those comedy skits where someone is being an old person and they are trying to tell a story and they get caught up in relaying the tiny details that really have no relevance on the story - it Tuesday at 10am ....... or was it 10.30?.........no I think it was Monday at 10am because the bin men came.........yes that's right it was Monday but I think the binmen were late so it wast at 11........................... None of tiny details matter but people get hung up on them as their last resort to prove that they are right. As you can see from the chat above on this threat, AI is hung up on the words I used "armed to the teeth" and is asking me to prove that the rioters at the Capitol building were actually "armed to the teeth". Well where I come from, armed to the teeth is an expression. The only people who ever were literally armed to the teeth would be pirates holding a knife between their teeth as they swung via rope from their own ship to the one they were boarding. And yet that's all he can talk about. It's complete madness and in my opinion it shows me exactly what kind of person I'm conversing with, so I'm choosing to ignore it. If I want a puerile conversation I can pop down to the local nursery school and chat with a load of 4 year olds. All that said, we've also attracted some great new members who are intelligent, articulate, well versed in current affairs and who add tremendously to the conversation. As with everything in life, it's swings and roundabouts. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesnโt accord with the facts. |
Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: January 26 2021 at 10:48am
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KiwiMum, allow me to be the first to offer you thanks. ๐ It is noteworthy that I did offer proof of the "armed to the teeth" in my post further up, which Steak Sauce evidently chose to ignore. Predictably. It will come out in the days and weeks ahead just how armed. But there are no guns allowed, and it has already been proven that there were plenty of those in the Capitol. Not to mention pipe bombs and Molotov cocktails. No, Witchy, you're not the only one, not by a long shot. It's just that you're not the loudest one. ME163, I'm praying for you to get well soon! |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: January 26 2021 at 2:24pm
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No comment. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 26 2021 at 2:39pm
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Few words say so much..... lmao ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: January 26 2021 at 6:33pm
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So glad to read that he and his g/f will recover. My best to them both and positive energy headed their way! |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: January 26 2021 at 7:06pm
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The assault on democracy a couple of weeks ago was made up of predominantly white protesters, many of whom were heavily armed, and yet Trump withheld the national guard. "The rioters at the Capitol building a fortnight ago were armed to the teeth and their message was perfectly clear and yet they were almost unopposed." "And Trump sent in the military in huge numbers to quash the riots." The funny thing is you make statements like the above and the ignorant will buy your liberal pathetically false statements. And then you cry foul and play the victim when asked for proof to validate such statements and now try to weakly say that's not what you meant, when you can't provide any proof to validate your statements. That's exactly what you meant to convey (and you said it twice) as you do seem to use english as your primary language. So many videos and no weapons. And Trump couldn't call up the military in any state against protesters, he could only call up the NG in DC, which he did to protect national monuments from being destroyed by the "peaceful" mob. Your ignorance of the US laws regarding the domestic use of federal troops as a result of the Posse Comitatus act is easily spotted and shows yet again your true intent, to mislead with falsehoods. State governors called out 86,400 national guard members to stop those "peaceful" protesters. Most which incidentally were in democratic states. Stick to the facts or don't say stupid sh#t. It's pretty easy you should try it. ------------- โFacts don't care about your feelings.โ โ Ben Shapiro |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: January 26 2021 at 7:36pm
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------------- โFacts don't care about your feelings.โ โ Ben Shapiro |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 26 2021 at 8:57pm
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Back to original question...... Why are there so many idiots..... Because they are all disillusioned fools that voted for an ORANGE FACED LOSER CLOWN.... That lied ,lied and lied and theses gullible fools took the Clowns word.... Just look at these fools trying to defend the loser... Making America look STUPID.... Leader of the free world.....!!!!!!! That's the BIGGEST JOKE OUT THERE AT THE MOMENT..... Thankfully Joe Biden Seems like an honest Guy..... More than can be said for Chump the lying snake oil salesmen.... Kings new clothes spring to mind...... Take care all ๐ท๐ ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 26 2021 at 9:32pm
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Just watched The Spineless gutless wonder sycofant Rand Paul..... Trying to defend what everyone around the world watched in disbelief......and then has the gall to say 'If the democrats impeach Chump will just add fuel to the fire and bring disrespect......" Chump has Trashed any respect America had around the world, After Chump incited a Riot.....held back the NG that would have been on his say so..... Just look at what happened when he used the most sacred book to Christians to Wave around upside down,total disrespect.... had troops there...... because it was what he wanted, you have to be really nai've to believe anything else, these Spineless gutless senators back him because they care to much for their pay checks...... Moral vacuume in America........ $$$$$ count more than Morals.......in today's America, it was always bad if you called a Canadian American by mistake now you probably get bashed...... not that any rednecks would know that they never travel out of HICKSVILLE, well known fact Americans not very well travelled. your average Chump supporter would be hard pressed to have visited another country, I'd be amazed if any of them had a passport...... lmao take care all ๐ท๐ ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 27 2021 at 2:28am
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Not armed indeed.... Swore statement from acting capital police chief....... Let me be clear: the Department should have been more prepared for this attack," her statement continued. "By January 4th, the Department knew that the January 6th event would not be like any of the previous protests held in 2020. We knew that militia groups and white supremacists organizations would be attending. We also knew that some of these participants were intending to bring firearms and other weapons to the event. We knew that there was a strong potential for violence and that Congress was the target." ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 27 2021 at 2:29am
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Suppose that's fake news .......๐ ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 27 2021 at 4:30am
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Sorry if I offended any of the 80 million intelligent yanks that voted for sanity visa vi Biden....... My comments were not meant to be a broad spectrum..... Critic of America as a whole ,it's your best friend that tells you that you have bad breath..!!!??? which I have done only to be thanked over and over..... Take care all ๐ท๐ And I mean ALL ...๐ ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: BeachMama
Date Posted: January 27 2021 at 5:51am
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Please pass on my best wishes to ME163 and his girlfriend. I am so sorry that they are so sick right now — my thoughts and good wishes are coming their way for quick recoveries! As to the Capitol discussion — my two cents before I bow out in the interest of staying out of this storm. The Capitol attack was an attack on and affront to the American democratic process. It was egged on by the sitting president of the United States. I personally could not believe my eyes. I know that there are people who support what happened on 1/6, but I cannot understand them. In the meantime, Covid 19 rages on in the US. A few days ago, there were over 9,000 new cases in Arizona, and we are on the cusp of the new variants becoming widespread, with unknown but likely negative consequences. I am incredibly grateful that the political puppet show has calmed down, and that logic and reason have been somewhat restored (in my opinion — I know there are those who disagree) in DC. The election chaos took our eyes off of this pandemic for way too long — at a critical time, when thousands upon thousands were getting sick and dying. Maybe our perspective can be restored now. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: January 27 2021 at 8:56am
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Me163,
I appreciate that you are unable to post at the moment and I expect that your health will not return overnight - despite our well-wishes. So, I place this request (and I think I speak for all of us here) that you just try to keep us updated (or get that lovely person who helped last time to do it again) on your recovery and that of your girlfriend. Keep fighting pal. That's all. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: January 27 2021 at 9:59am
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For those few heartless sceptics on here, who still think this is overblown, poor Me163 first told us he had been sick in mid May 2020. That is more than a full 8 months sick. AND IT'S NOT OVER FOR HIM YET! OK, most of us are lucky enough not to have got so sick, or caught it at all. But if Me163 was the only sufferer on Earth, that would still be one person too many to go through all that. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: January 27 2021 at 10:44am
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Yes, BeachMama, you are exactly right. Americans should be fighting our common enemy, Covid, instead of each other. The divisiveness is not helping in any way. Carbon, these folks' problem is that they are misguided. I do not believe most of them are bad people, and the few that are probably didn't start out that way. I'll give you an example of what I believe the typical person of this ilk is like. I had a friend, we'll call her "Beth". Beth's dad was a dude who let's just say, "lived hard", biker, etc. Her mom had health problems and was largely out of her life very young. Dad and mom got divorced and dad remarried stepmonster. Stepmonster had no warmth at all for Beth and her brother, only the children that she had with Beth's dad. They soon divorced also. As soon as he was old enough to leave, Beth's brother went to the military, and Beth was basically used for the purpose of housework and babysitting. She also swallowed alot of stepmonster's very strict religious beliefs and when she got a boyfriend stepmonster didn't approve of, was sent off to religious college, I guess which would be the female equivalent of military school. She had become very absorbed in this faith in her last years with stepmonster, and this was solidified while at school. Pretty soon she met and married a man she met there who was also of this faith, and had children. He is a big fan of Rush Limbaugh, so she absorbed alot of Rush's and his ilk's drivel from her early 20's on. Beth frequently had to work two jobs, so she didn't get to watch much news. What little she saw was Faux News. When social media came along, she began to get alot of her news from there. We all know what a bastion of good and honest info comes from Facebook, etc.,/s. Between all of these influences, over the years she changed from a sweet and sensitive girl to a case-hardened, racist/apologist. If you talk to her infrequently or not in-depth, you may never hear anything offensive. But Covid and Black Lives Matter changed all that. There is, just below the surface in America, a fear. And a guilt. These reside inside the hearts of the those who have privilege. They fear the time that's coming, when those who have not, will outnumber them and will begin to displace them. They fear karma. Some are brainwashed, much more than Beth. They become radicalized, their fear whipped up into anger, the anger fomented into violence. My fear is that The Capitol was only the beginning. |
Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: January 27 2021 at 10:52am
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Techno, the sad part is that there are so many ME163's. All anyone has to do is look at Coronavirus Survivor Corps. Sad and scary. We have a "From The Frontlines" on this site. Equally scary. We forget how frequently we are humbled by microbes. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 27 2021 at 1:43pm
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ViQueen, I fully understand why people follow someone like Hitler/Trump...... You only have to look back to Germany in the 30s to see what is happening here........ Lack of education ,lack of healthcare,lack of jobs........ Pick on the underdog Jew/black,Latino,lgbtqi, blame them...... Put them in Gas chambers then there will be more jobs for us good white folks because we are superior....... Hands up anyone has watched https://www.netflix.com/au/title/80134093?preventIntent=true - https://www.netflix.com/au/title/80134093?preventIntent=true The point here is chump lifted the stone and all the ugleys popped their heads out...... These ideas must be stamped out, how many people died fighting Nazis..... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: January 27 2021 at 5:25pm
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Wow. Get well soon ME163. I don't think enough attention is given to the long covid sufferers. I have a friend in Ireland who's had it since May and is still suffering. It's really affecting him and he's only 40. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesnโt accord with the facts. |
Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: January 27 2021 at 8:23pm
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What I'm worried about, Carbon, is that so many people cannot see the equivalency between Nazi Germany and what has gone on in the States the past 5 years. And they don't want to see it. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 27 2021 at 9:18pm
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Yep...... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: January 30 2021 at 12:16am
One evening, one bar, 80 infections, 1000+ quarantinedA student event was cancelled, but 150 showed up anyway. So over half present were infected. https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/one_evening_one_bar_80_infections_1000_quarantined/11760826 - https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/one_evening_one_bar_80_infections_1000_quarantined/11760826 |
Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: January 30 2021 at 9:31am
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THIS ^ is what I'm talking about. Stupid f***s! |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: January 30 2021 at 10:31am
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AND
AI, you also point out that the guards did not seem to treat this as an insurrection. You use this as an argument that the rioters were not considered a serious threat. Is it not more likely, that there were sympathisers among the guards and the lack of fight-back was itself evidence of ingrained fascist leanings? Because that is what it looked like to me. How else can you explain the genteel treatment of an armed mob invading the capitol? All you seem to be persuading folk of around here, is your own inability to see the other side. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: January 30 2021 at 10:48am
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Techno, I don't bother reading AI's posts anymore, let alone responding to them. Life's too short to attempt to engage a pedant in a discussion, it's never going to get beyond the semantics. I hadn't read that one, I just skimmed over it to the next post in the discussion. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesnโt accord with the facts. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: January 30 2021 at 11:15am
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I grok that KiwiMum, I left it alone for a couple of days so people would have time to notice the Me163 posts first. But his borderline insults do rather get my goat. I even left out his deliberate misquotes of myself (like many of his other posts, which I can't be bothered replying to) but I like the people he attacks; yourself, Carbon, ViQueen and Witchy for instance and would hate to leave the impression that we collectively condone his attitudes. I like to think we are a polite and caring lot, for the most part; if I did not believe that, I would not bother to be a Moderator Sadly, this whole debacle rather lowered the tone. So I find AI's pugnacity hard to ignore. My appologies. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: January 30 2021 at 2:20pm
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I think first of all, AI just likes to argue, he likes the attention. Secondly, for him perhaps in this issue, "armed to the teeth" might equal two hip holsters, two shoulder holsters, a knife in each boot, two Molotov cocktails, ten pipe bombs, some plastique, tear gas, two stun guns, AND a knife in their teeth, to be armed to the teeth. Since they "only" had a fraction of that they were only "armed to the ankles." Of course, ALL weapons are forbidden in the Capitol. Also, I did hear commentary on CBS that Trump only wanted enough security to prevent counter-demonstrators from harming his supporters. He characterized his supporters as "peaceful" and either didn't believe his supporters would break the law, or he intended them to. Since he was described as "excited" by the rioting, and he couldn't understand why others watching news coverage of the uprising with him weren't excited too, I'm going with the latter. The fact that he resisted sending sufficient security for this reason is addressed obliquely below. Obviously, Trump was still in charge and the source was afraid of reprisals if he was direct. https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-officials-bypass-donald-trump-protect-dc-insurrection-after-capitol-riot-1559803 - https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-officials-bypass-donald-trump-protect-dc-insurrection-after-capitol-riot-1559803 |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 30 2021 at 2:54pm
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Cannot These people see what a laughing stock America is looking to the rest of the world........ From the absolute debarcale of the "Covid war" the Chump was "on top of" To the disgusted behaviour of a sitting president and to say he can not be impeached because he is no longer in office ,is like saying a thief cannot be tried if he wasn't caught with his hand in the till.... To the abhorrent behaviour of this B..ch Greene what stone did that crawl from under....... My Good God....... What is wrong in America...... Take care all ๐ท๐ ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: January 30 2021 at 4:18pm
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------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 30 2021 at 4:57pm
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I heard a Republican senator say the other day, that the Chinese just walked into Hong Kong unchallenged!!!!!!!!!...... WTF planet are these Clowns on ..... Seriously.... I MEAN SERIOUSLY..... talk about DUMB AND DUMBER....... take care all ๐ท๐ ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 30 2021 at 6:27pm
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Just because you delete something doesn't make it like you unsaid it.......or disagreed with what was in post ........ like to see her walk back the harrassment of that school massacre.survivor..... CNN: Marjorie Taylor Greene removes social media posts amid scrutiny of past controversial comments. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/28/politics/kfile-marjorie-taylor-greene-removes-social-media-posts/index.html - https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/28/politics/kfile-marjorie-taylor-greene-removes-social-media-posts/index.html Just total SCUM......... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: January 31 2021 at 9:54am
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There were half a dozen firearms confiscated from protesters either on federal grounds or in the vicinity and they were arrested. Simple math says that is .02% of the estimated 30,000. So your saying that .02% of those protesters that was armed constitutes an "armed mob"? And for the sake of argument lets say that 10X that number were armed and didn't get caught with weapons. Does .2% of those 30,000 protesters validate claiming that they were all an "armed mob" when 99.8% were not ? Hardly. So instead of saying there were a fraction of the protesters armed, you paint the entire group as an armed mob, how very convenient. Just not factual and it clearly shows your inability as well as everyone else's who supports such claims to be able to deal with the actual reality of the situation and the facts that pertain to it by backing the subsequent claims by kiwi regarding the event. And love the way you threw in nukes in the mix,(nice) it adds a very melodramatic touch, consistent with kiwi's other false claims. How liberally fanatical of you to ignore reality and the facts to push and back a narrative that is clearly false. ------------- โFacts don't care about your feelings.โ โ Ben Shapiro |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: January 31 2021 at 10:44am
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And even if we throw out the looting as opportunistic behavior which it probably was, that still leaves all the acts of arson and businesses burned this summer. So was that done by protesters or by deranged individuals? So either you were wrong then about the actions of the protesters as a whole this summer or you are wrong now about the actions of protesters as a whole at the Capitol . Which is it? Because your position seems to be directly contradicting itself. And as far as the tactical unit's actions in close proximity to the shooting of the unarmed protester in the Capital building, your claim of them being in cahoots with the protesters is laughable as that is not what the video shows. They accessed the threat and acted accordingly. ------------- โFacts don't care about your feelings.โ โ Ben Shapiro |
Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: January 31 2021 at 10:53am
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No one in this summer's protests attempted to interfere in government/election business. No one in this summer's protests commited acts of sedition or attempted a coup. |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: January 31 2021 at 11:28am
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Definition of insurrection: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurrection - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurrection ------------- โFacts don't care about your feelings.โ โ Ben Shapiro |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: January 31 2021 at 2:49pm
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AI , Would you agree that the people at the insurrection, riot, Where there at the bequest of a sitting president , who incited his supporters ,from the minute he LOST an election, if fact from weeks before to go to that building And to try and stop the Democratic process from going forward ..........? And do you have any understanding as to what it's making Americans look like to the rest of the world ? Do you care........ In a previous comment you said something like "you can't tell people what to do in their own houses" That's a bit rich Americans been invading countries for years trying to impose their will........ With the result that millions of people around the world hate America and all its stands for ......... .what does that big statue in the harbour stand for ?? I have said before, believe it or not, I am a defender of our way of life ,(and of America which is hard at times ) by that I mean a western Democratic fair way...... This is not what we are seeing in America right now.... All this when your country really needs to pull together..... Russia, China, Iran,Muslim brotherhood, all rubbing there hands with glee at your demise....... We on the other hand holding our heads in shame ,sadness and disbelief at what we are seeing........ My 85 yrs old mother in UK has very fond memories of the Americans during ww2....... She said to me the other day she thinks all Americas are nuts!!!!!!..... Take care all ............ ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: January 31 2021 at 6:38pm
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You have an amazing ability to twist words, AI. For instance, you accused me of changing my stance on lockdowns (which I said I believed in) because I pointed out that simply locking down the most vulnerable did not work. That is not a lockdown, its failure is the reason full lockdowns are better,. But you can't see anything written without twisting it. I have never conversed with anyone more 'determined to win at any cost' than you. I know I can't win an argument with you, because, like KiwiMum, I don't have the time to go through your posts and the internet to find a tiny thread to unravel. So, I will take the time to unpick your first argument only. Arms confiscated are not the same as arms present. I now know why you think Kiwimum spent so long researching an argument; you do it yourself. Well sorry to dissapoint. I have a life outside of AFT. You are simply not worth my time. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: January 31 2021 at 8:21pm
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------------- โFacts don't care about your feelings.โ โ Ben Shapiro |
Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: February 01 2021 at 10:45am
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When this summer's protests were going on, I was dealing with my mother being in the hospital, the halfway house for occupational therapy, and her coming home and almost immediately having a recurrence of C. Diff., all of which I wrote about on this site. The sum total of my feelings on this summer's protests were, therefore, confined to my blog, which is accessible to anyone. Like Techno, I have a life outside AFT. If someone wants to call me a hypocrite, or whatever, they may knock themselves out at their leisure. No one is on my payroll for the purpose of thinking. Some light reading for anyone concerned: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/22/who-caused-violence-protests-its-not-antifa/ - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/22/who-caused-violence-protests-its-not-antifa/ https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/outside-influence-extremists-riots-us/index.html - https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/outside-influence-extremists-riots-us/index.html https://www.complex.com/life/2020/07/white-supremacists-infiltrated-black-lives-matter-protest-in-richmond-instigate-riots - https://www.complex.com/life/2020/07/white-supremacists-infiltrated-black-lives-matter-protest-in-richmond-instigate-riots https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests About 10,600 protests last summer. 93-96% peaceful. https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/us/blm-protests-peaceful-report-trnd/index.html - https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/us/blm-protests-peaceful-report-trnd/index.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/16/this-summers-black-lives-matter-protesters-were-overwhelming-peaceful-our-research-finds/ - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/16/this-summers-black-lives-matter-protesters-were-overwhelming-peaceful-our-research-finds/ Oh, and by the by -- scale. Perspective. Obviously, burning down a police station is local law enforcement business. It is horribly wrong. Putting the safety of those in that community at risk, I hope they throw the book at the people responsible. At least one of whom I understand is a Boogaloo Boi: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd But it's not the same as attempting to subvert the results of a legitimate, fair national election. False equivalences. |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: February 01 2021 at 6:53pm
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------------- โFacts don't care about your feelings.โ โ Ben Shapiro |
Posted By: ME163
Date Posted: February 01 2021 at 8:09pm
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One of the things I remember is the capitol being assaulted. I was in the nursing home TV room. I heard a voice from behind me say, that's how it was done in Germany. i turned around and saw one of the oldest residents of the nursing home, " Herman " was a young man during the war. He was upset that they attacked the US capitol . He was very emotional about it. So, these people are not idiots, just neo nazis . Herman pulled out his reference books and we talked about the scene unfolding behind us.... I have a vested interest in being opposed to nazis and their types. Before the ovens were used n the camps, before the gas chambers were used against jewish or polish people, they were used against disabled germans. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 01 2021 at 8:26pm
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Be nice for a reply.... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 02 2021 at 4:05am
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And now we see the result of chumps loony lies about the American election....... An excuse for all the tinpot dictators to call their elections Fixed....... "If it can happen in the great democracy of America it can happen any where"........ Reuters: Suu Kyi's party demands her release as Myanmar generals tighten grip. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-myanmar-politics/suu-kyis-party-demands-her-release-as-myanmar-generals-tighten-grip-idUSKBN2A139S?feedType=mktg&feedName=topNews&WT.mc_id=Partner-Google - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-myanmar-politics/suu-kyis-party-demands-her-release-as-myanmar-generals-tighten-grip-idUSKBN2A139S?feedType=mktg&feedName=topNews&WT.mc_id=Partner-Google Take care all...... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: February 02 2021 at 10:21am
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We're wasting our time, Carbon. Steak Sauce lives in a fantasy world along with Trump, Greene, etc. I'm sure he'll be busy in the next few weeks joining the new Patriot Party that Trump and his supporters are starting. Wait till enough GOPs join the new party, split the Republican Party, and it's all Democrats all the time for the next 20+ years, lol. Yes, ME163, when I was in my teens and early 20's, my mother told me how things were during WW2. She always told me how afraid she was that once she and her generation died off, and no one who experienced WW2 was around, that people would forget, and it would happen all over again. During the goings-on down in the Capitol, she said, "See, it's happening, just like WW2." People can minimize, make false equivalences to other events, the truth is the truth. Someday, they'll learn... |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 02 2021 at 2:06pm
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The biggest hypocrisy here is the gutless senators saying Let's move on nothing to see here...... NO ITS NOT ALRIGHT....... It's not the news cycle moving on moving on The disgusting act the world watched must be addressed ,the wound must be squeezed of all the POISON...... because if it's not it's just going to FESTER..... call it for what it is A egotistical maniac stiring up hatreds that have have festered ,and festered..... Wonders what Jesus looking down on all of this thinks, I say yo the Muslim man I work with...... Don't know why you pray 5 times ,God left this mess a long long time ago looked back and said...... Must do better next time I make a world for ALL INHABITANTS........ I might add I'm an atheist and don't believe in a God..... The Muslim and the 7th day Adventist I also work with say I'm more Christian than the Christians..... Look to the book of Enoch for answer's Take care all ๐ท๐ ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: February 02 2021 at 5:38pm
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Yeah... I'm not quite sure why people are feeding this... |
Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: February 03 2021 at 11:23am
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Can't speak for Carbon, Witchy, but I address things that I think are most wrong or that I most vehemently disagree with, regardless of who posts them because I always worry that there is some lurker on here who may not know that there is more than one side to these matters. I saw this documentary a month ago or so called The Brainwashing Of My Dad (highly recommend) and I saw how the right wing operates. I don't think they should get to air their untruths unopposed. And I never could keep my big mouth shut, lol. So my concern is not Steak Sauce, it's that poor silent schmo. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 6:24am
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Once down there, coming back is harder. I know one person in that dangerous warren, and their spells in our local loony-bin are testiment to where it can lead. That dreadful result also seems to be one of the less awful outcomes. Q anon, The Proud Boys, our BNP and the far worse Nazis and Faschisti are the even less desirable ones. I don't ever want to see another tree with 'strange fruit' on it, another attack on democracy or another world war. Left unapposed, that is where such rhetoric leads. First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionists. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin NiemöllerAND HE WAS RIGHT!
So I have to speak up. Sorry, Witchy! You are so very right. This is someone who loves to argue, absolutely must have the last word and who is utterly convinced he is right. I am never going to win this argument; you can't break down a brick wall with arguments, however valid or impassioned. I know that all too well. Ai is even a mysogenist IMHO - as he prefers those of us known to be female to argue with - on the whole. He is a true warren-dweller, less open to change than my loony friend.* But sometimes my conscience demands that I fight with the brick wall, even if all I get is a headache (and bloody knuckles, maybe even a pugilist's break or concussion). I sleep well, I wish that to continue. *Who seems to be making progress by the way - he actually called me: "Right Wing" yesterday. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: ME163
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 6:44am
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The term Idiot itself is under attack... Steak sauce aside. Now, let's talk about solutions to our problems. We are dealing with a mutant virus. i have been thru it's grip.. Dr. John Campbell , youtube expert has found a very good study on Vitamin D.. Vitamin D reduces the chances of getting Covid by 34 percent. Habitual use of Vitamin D of amounts of 2000 IU ( 50 Mcg ) per day will do the trick. |
Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 7:18am
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Good call, ME! |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 12:52pm
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Once down there, coming back is harder. I know one person in that dangerous warren, and their spells in our local loony-bin are testiment to where it can lead. That dreadful result also seems to be one of the less awful outcomes. Q anon, The Proud Boys, our BNP and the far worse Nazis and Faschisti are the even less desirable ones. [/QUOTE] I know someone who has gone down that rabbit hole. I went to see a therapist who ranted at me about conspiracy theories for the full hour and a half. I offered her every platitude going and said absolutely nothing to encourage her but she knew she had a captive audience and prattled on and on. It was actually unnerving. It gave me an uninterrupted insight into the mind of a paranoid, marginalized, emotionally impoverished individual and what I saw was scary and disturbing. Needless to say I didn't go back for a follow up appointment. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesnโt accord with the facts. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 1:20pm
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Whilst men are linked together, they easily and speedily communicate the alarm of any evil design. They are enabled to fathom it with common counsel, and to oppose it with united strength. Whereas, when they lie dispersed, without concert, order, or discipline, communication is uncertain, counsel difficult, and resistance impracticable. Where men are not acquainted with each other’s principles, nor experienced in each other’s talents, nor at all practised in their mutual habitudes and dispositions by joint efforts in business; no personal confidence, no friendship, no common interest, subsisting among them; it is evidently impossible that they can act a public part with uniformity, perseverance, or efficacy. In a connection, the most inconsiderable man, by adding to the weight of the whole, has his value, and his use; out of it, the greatest talents are wholly unserviceable to the public. No man, who is not inflamed by vain-glory into enthusiasm, can flatter himself that his single, unsupported, desultory, unsystematic endeavours, are of power to defeat the subtle designs and united cabals of ambitious citizens. When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle. –Edmund Burke, Thoughts on the Cause of the Present Discontents 82-83 (1770) in: Select Works of Edmund Burke, vol. 1, p. 146 (Liberty Fund ed. 1999). ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 6:23pm
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I knew that Vitamin D helped, but reducing the chances by 34% is pretty significant. Glad I take 2000IU every day. Been doing it for years now. Thanks for this ME. |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 7:07pm
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Dizzyqueen provided the links to the number of weapons found at the Capitol right. Simple math showed your false assumption that it was an "armed mob". And if the acts of a very few are to be cast upon the many as you assert concerning the DC event, then your repeated position that the acts of the rioting mobs this summer are not to be cast upon the many is in direct conflict with your position on that. Whoops LOL Federal law and actual facts showed the claimed assertion of the use of the military by Trump to "crush the protesters" was clearly false as it was state governors, mainly democrat governors who called out the NG on rioting protesters this summer. So since facts don't back your liberal woo woo false narrative, you resort to name calling and character assassination. PATHETIC attempt to attack the messenger since you can't dispute the facts. Very weak move, but not entirely out of character for you or exactly unexpected. But interestingly enough you claim to be against half truths or outright false claims, and yet YOU BACK THEM from the kiwi . And they are clearly shown to be false narratives. Facts don't care about your feelings and you are clearly butthurt about being wrong and without fact and shown for what you are. Just another delusional liberal.  You and the girls should share a bottle of Dr Pierces favorite prescription. ------------- โFacts don't care about your feelings.โ โ Ben Shapiro |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: February 04 2021 at 7:41pm
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I couldn't resist after all according to you I'm a misogynist. ------------- โFacts don't care about your feelings.โ โ Ben Shapiro |
Posted By: ME163
Date Posted: February 05 2021 at 8:20am
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Nah, your'e just a bottle of brown stuff. |
Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: February 05 2021 at 8:35am
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Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, ME, calling him Steak Sauce. Maybe more like a champagne fountain, spewing foam and not much else... No, you're right. Bottle of brown stuff. ------------- I am the DZ Queen, and I approve this message. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 05 2021 at 10:37am
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Steak Sauce, SS. says it all really. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: February 05 2021 at 5:44pm
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------------- โFacts don't care about your feelings.โ โ Ben Shapiro |
Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: February 06 2021 at 9:13am
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mob noun \ หmäb \ Definition of mob (Entry 1 of 2) 1: a large and disorderly crowd of people especially : one bent on riotous or destructive action 2informal : a large number of people a mob of shoppers clogged the aisles a team greeted by mobs of fans 3: a criminal set : GANG especially, often capitalized : MAFIA sense 1 a member of the Mob a mob informant 4old-fashioned : the common people : MASSES 5chiefly Australia : a flock, drove, or herd of animals mob verb mobbed; mobbing Definition of mob (Entry 2 of 2) transitive verb 1: to crowd about and attack or annoy mobbed by autograph hunters a crow mobbed by songbirds 2: to crowd into or around customers mob the stores on sale days Other Words from mob Noun mobbish \ หmä-bish \ adjective Synonyms for mob Synonyms: Noun army, bike [chiefly Scottish], cram, crowd, crush, drove, flock, herd, horde, host, legion, mass, multitude, press, rout, scrum, swarm, throng Synonyms: Verb crowd, flock, swarm, throng Visit the Thesaurus for More Choose the Right Synonym for mob Noun CROWD, THRONG, HORDE, CRUSH, MOB mean an assembled multitude. CROWD implies a close gathering and pressing together. a crowd gathered THRONG and HORDE suggest movement and pushing. a throng of reporters a horde of shoppers CRUSH emphasizes the compactness of the group, the difficulty of individual movement, and the attendant discomfort. a crush of fans MOB implies a disorderly crowd with the potential for violence. an angry mob Examples of mob in a Sentence Noun The angry mob smashed store windows and attacked people on the streets. The police had to be called in to handle the growing mob. So, used in this sense, the destructive mob at the Capitol would be used to distinguish from the ruly crowd or throng present at the Capitol. ------------- I am the DZ Queen, and I approve this message. |
Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: February 06 2021 at 9:21am
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armed adjective (1) \ หärmd \ Definition of armed (Entry 1 of 2) 1a: furnished with weapons an armed guard also : using or involving a weapon b: furnished with something that provides security, strength, or efficacy armed with knowledge 2: marked by the maintenance of armed forces in readiness armed adjective (2) Definition of armed (Entry 2 of 2) : having an arm or arms especially of a specified kind or number —usually used in combination long-armed two-armed First Known Use of armed Adjective (1) 14th century, in the meaning defined at sense 1a Adjective (2) 1500, in the meaning defined above History and Etymology for armed Adjective (1) Middle English, from past participle of armen "to ARM entry 2" Keep scrolling for more More Definitions for armed armed adjective \ หärmd \ Kids Definition of armed (Entry 1 of 2) 1: carrying weapons armed bandits 2: involving the use of weapons an armed robbery armed adjective Kids Definition of armed (Entry 2 of 2) : having arms of a specified kind or number hairy-armed one-armed armed adjective \ หärmd \ Medical Definition of armed 1: having an arm or arms especially of a specified kind or number —usually used in combination long-armed two-armed 2: having a spiny rostellum a tapeworm armed with numerous hammer-shaped hooks armed adjective \ หärmd \ Legal Definition of armed 1: having a weapon an armed assailant 2: involving the use of a weapon an armed attack ------------- I am the DZ Queen, and I approve this message. |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: February 07 2021 at 2:21pm
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Meh you better get another bottle of Dr Pierces favorite prescription, on second thought better make it two Visqueen. ------------- โFacts don't care about your feelings.โ โ Ben Shapiro |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: February 07 2021 at 2:42pm
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------------- โFacts don't care about your feelings.โ โ Ben Shapiro |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 07 2021 at 4:06pm
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So you can't see a difference between ,a protest in the street , And an organized armed assault on your Capitol building ...... Stired up by an egotistical maniac..... Who was shunned by all world leaders apart from his puppet master Putin...... You ain't well matey ,you living in la la land.... Take care all ๐ท๐ ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: February 07 2021 at 4:31pm
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------------- โFacts don't care about your feelings.โ โ Ben Shapiro |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 07 2021 at 5:34pm
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So do you. But there are differences; the BLM folk did not try to overturn a fair election. They did not try to hang Pence or Pelosi. They were too worried about constriction of their own necks, to want to constrict another person's. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: ME163
Date Posted: February 07 2021 at 6:36pm
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Steak Sauce, The BLM protests and others in sympathy with them are in vein with the larger protests against the powers that be, the one percenters, the racists and the elite. I consider the protests to be small potatoes against the wholesale injustices of racism/ class warfare and genocide that the working class and the poor face every day. The assault against the capital was an effort to attack democratic rule. While both are directed against the one percenters, the objectives are different. The assault on the capitol was an attack on the process. The election took place and one group of rich people lost to another group of rich people. The president, who is a member of this class, tried to uae a bunch of goons to subvert the process of one group of rich people peacefully transfering power to anotther. While he was stopped, his class did not opppse his efforts . The attack fatally damaged the democratic system charade and is going to lead to more efforts to subvert the system. The last best hope for humanity has passed as the hope that was the american dream was destroyed from within and on the outside. The future will lead to more attempts to destroy the veneer of american democracy. The facade is coming off the front of the store. it is going to be a hell of a ride down, but until then we must ensure some sanity. The BLM movement is a black power/ injustice movement. The most important item to realize is the centuries of racism and class warfare is not an equal to the riots or looting. Imagine if the BLM protesters had assaulted the capitol... Force used against the protesters would be massive. Thousands of protesters would be shot dead. The simple fact is that if the roles were reversed, BLM protesters would be dead in massive numbers , |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: February 07 2021 at 7:02pm
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------------- โFacts don't care about your feelings.โ โ Ben Shapiro |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: February 08 2021 at 6:11am
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And then there's the ideology that dismisses and contradicts US Intelligence and local law enforcement that the trouble makers were not BLM or Antifa but were in fact right wing white supremacists incognito. |
Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: February 08 2021 at 10:18am
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ME said it all better than I could have. For me, the difference between the two situations is one of motive. One set of people protesting 400 years of abuse and inequalities that so many here in the US refuse to acknowledge, let alone remedy. I am a member of at least two "out" groups, so I get it. I believe that those who do not understand, or want to understand, that is their privilege showing. I also agree with Witchy that it was proven that the majority of the rioters in the BLM protests this summer were non-afilliated kids, gangs, people who were sick of the shutdowns and being unemployed, and last but not least, agents provocateur -- Proud Boys, Boogaloo Boos, etc., as Witchy mentioned, and I believe I indicated up-thread with some links. As mentioned the Capitol Insurrection was motivated by people who refused to accept the results of a popularly-decided and officially certified election. There were 62 (mostly frivolous) lawsuits challenging those results, and those results were upheld, frequently by Trump-appointed judges. The second group used the system repeatedly (and at what expense, pedant?) not because they didn't receive justice, but because they didn't receive their preferred result. Huge difference! If one is hung up on expense of BLM protests, one must ask oneself, what would it cost to simply treat everyone with equality? It certainly would be alot easier, wouldn't it? Who's the hypocrite here? And who's deflecting? ------------- I am the DZ Queen, and I approve this message. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: February 08 2021 at 10:50am
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As you seem to be determined to twist everyone's words - not just mine, let me put that in context and as clearly as I can, AI. There were many people at the BLM riots who were just there to cause trouble - and blame it on the BLM movement. There was even one white supremacist present who seems to have gone there to shoot black people. Those numbers are included in the statistics, even when black people were the victims, not the perpetrators. Also, as pointed out before, being a HUGE movement, there were lots of opportunities for the incidental crimminal to capitalise on. The actual protesters were there because they felt both treated unjustly and unheard. The capitol insurrection was driven by a desire to overturn the democratically held and internationally verified election results. The intent appears to have been to kill representatives of the people, at least for some of the insurrectionists. It is NEVER that the numbers don't matter. But it can be that the numbers fail to tell the whole story. Mathematics is the language of science - in itself it is 100% truthful, but it can still be used to tell lies. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: February 08 2021 at 10:56am
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To change the focus a bit: Idiots are everywhere...maybe this will be classified as a potential entry for the Darwin Awards.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55982131 - https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55982131 |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: February 08 2021 at 1:46pm
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Absolutely and totally AGREE..... WELL SAID....... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.๐ Marcus Aurelius |