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What caused Japan’s delta to collapse?

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Topic: What caused Japan’s delta to collapse?
Posted By: Pixie
Subject: What caused Japan’s delta to collapse?
Date Posted: December 02 2021 at 6:52pm

Interesting theory


https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/delta-variant-may-have-mutated-itself-into-extinction-in-japan-suggest-researchers/ - https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/delta-variant-may-have-mutated-itself-into-extinction-in-japan-suggest-researchers/


In July,Japan was hit by its largest COVID-19 wave yet. Driven by the introduction of the more infectious Delta variant, cases surged to a record of nearly https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html -

Now, researchers from Japan’s National Institute of Genetics have proposed that the Delta variant may have fallen victim to its own success – the rapidly-mutating strain may have mutated itself into extinction within Japan. According to the https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/11/18/national/delta-variant-self-destruction-theory/ -

While it would likely not be the first time a virus has "self-destructed" under the weight of its own rapid evolution, it is a phenomenon poorly-documented and a lucky escape for the nation.  

“We were literally shocked to see the findings,” Inoue told The Japan Times in an interview.  


“The delta variant in Japan was highly transmissible and keeping other variants out. But as the mutations piled up, we believe it eventually became a faulty virus and it was unable to make copies of itself. Considering that the cases haven’t been increasing, we think that at some point during such mutations it headed straight toward its natural extinction.” 


The idea began when the researchers delved into the genomic profiles of the Delta variant and compared them to the Alpha variants. The expectation was that the Delta variant would be extremely diverse, with multiple lines branching out from the original strain. Instead, they discovered the Delta variant actually had just two major groups, before it seemed to abruptly halt. The Delta variant, at least in Japan, was no longer mutating and diverging into sublineages.  


Looking deeper, the researchers examined the viral protein nsp14. This protein has been previously shown to be a proofreading enzyme in RNA viruses – that is to say every time the genetic code of the virus replicates, nsp14 scans through the newly-created genetic material to make sure no errors have cropped up. Mutations in proofreading enzymes spell disaster for organisms that don’t replicate often, so in a virus (which enters the cell, replicates into thousands of virions, and bursts from the host cell in around https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7224694/ -

They found multiple genetic changes at a site within nsp14, called A394V. These mutations appear to contribute to a crippled virus that is unable to replicate, which could explain how the Delta variant simply vanished from Japan in a matter of months.  


The theory is certainly interesting but doesn’t quite explain why the crippled virus would outcompete the dominant strain. There are of course other explanations – Japan has https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-59342308 -




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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: December 02 2021 at 9:45pm

[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table ; Japan cases (still) -10%, last week 804, this week 726...Japan deaths -38%, last week 16, this week 10. 

DJ-I would "love to believe" the "Delta self-destructive-variant"theory....but I prefer  the claim high level of vaccinations in combination with (clear) restrictions may be doing the job....also Japan had border restrictions...

Maybe Japan-in that way may compare with Cuba...cases -41% (Cuba population 11, 3 million, Japan population 126 million almost) last week 1,829, this week 1,080...deaths -40% from 10 to 6...(so <1 death per day). 

Israel however may be showing not good enough border control means Omicron exploding...cases +78%, last week 1,888 -this week 3,363....

However the good news is we may be able to limit this pandemic-at least with Delta-with vaccines AND restrictions AND border control...

Omicron could change that picture...one single case can explode even with very high vaccination and restrictions...for that matter China may have to go even more extreme to remain "Zero-CoViD"...



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Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: December 02 2021 at 9:56pm

There was also a move in Japan towards using Ivermectin and anyone was allowed to import it if they wished, and any doctor was allowed to prescribe it.



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Posted By: Pixie
Date Posted: December 03 2021 at 6:12pm

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/fact-check-japan-has-not-ditched-covid-vaccines-for-ivermectin/ -

There are claims circulating on social media that Japan has abandoned its vaccine rollout and focused on treating COVID-19 with ivermectin, resulting in infections disappearing “almost overnight.” This is totally untrue. Japan has not halted the use of COVID-19 vaccines, nor has the country stated that ivermectin is an authorized treatment for COVID-19. 

The false claim was first pushed by Hal Turner Radio Show, a show which https://www.politifact.com/personalities/hal-turner-radio-show/ -



Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: December 04 2021 at 12:25pm

Pixie, I didn't say that Japan had abandoned their vaccine rollout. What I said was that in Japan doctors were allowed to prescribe Ivermectin if they wished to. The Japanese government has not started to recommend Ivermectin as a covid cure but instead, as from 13 August, they have removed restrictions on Ivermectin and allowed doctors to use their own judgement to prescribe if as they see fit. Maybe it's just coincidence that within 2 weeks of this change in policy, Covid rates in Japan plummeted. And maybe it's not.



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