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Topic: America, America....
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Subject: America, America....
Date Posted: June 24 2022 at 11:49pm

Non-sensical Riffle Addiction starts with a colt....DJ, The (early)  US has "strong Dutch roots"...When the UK did take "Nieuw Nederland", renamed "Nieuw Amsterdam" as New York they "only silenced the Dutch" - calling them "Jan-Kees", not knowing the Yankee would return...

So it is NOT meant to be anti-American; 

NL Comedy [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-o9pwWUzz0[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-o9pwWUzz0 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-o9pwWUzz0 ; There's something going on in the world. A situation we cannot ignore any longer and we need to address it. Say nay to NRA (nonsensical rifle addiction). From the creator of 'Netherlands Second' and 'Westeros the Serie's. Arjen Lubach remixes the week in thirty minutes, makes frozen stories melt and repairs breaking news. From Bellevue Theatre Amsterdam: Sunday with Lubach, as good as news. #zml http://www.vpro.nl/zondag-met-lubach/... http://www.vpro.nl/zml http://www.npo3.nl/zondagmetlubach  Netherlands Second: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELD2A... Westeros the Series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=088u4...

DJ, "A right to carry a weapon" may have made sense in the 18th century...Lots of countries allowed weapons-at least for some-back then...

From India, WION [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzhA79JDVfI[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzhA79JDVfI - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzhA79JDVfI ;

The US Supreme Court struck down its historic Roe V Wade judgment, endangering the abortion rights of 36 million American women. How will the verdict change America's abortion laws? Can states find a workaround? Palki Sharma tells you. #Gravitas #RoevsWade #Abortionlaws

DJ, A less then 1 minute video-yet very strong; "US top court putting religion above rights"...

DJ-In lots of countries people fight for a right of legal abortion - not because they "like abortions" but illegal abortion is killing millions of women...Here in NL good info is helping to keep the number of abortions limited...But the US suppreme court may now go against a right on good info, anti-conception, even gay-mariage....

The US is destroying itself as "a moral leader of the free west"....



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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein



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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: June 25 2022 at 2:28am

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2022/06/21/senate-agrees-abolish-mandatory-5-day-abortion-waiting-period[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2022/06/21/senate-agrees-abolish-mandatory-5-day-abortion-waiting-period - https://nltimes.nl/2022/06/21/senate-agrees-abolish-mandatory-5-day-abortion-waiting-period ; 

Women who want to get an abortion will no longer have to wait five days before they can terminate their pregnancy. The Eerste Kamer, the upper house of Dutch parliament, voted in favor of a joint bill submitted by the PvdA, GroenLinks, VVD and D66 which abolishes the mandatory period of reflection. The Tweede Kamer, the lower house, already voted in favor of the bill. The amendment is expected to take effect on January 1, 2023.

The bill was passed by a total of 57 votes in favor and 17 against. The CDA members were divided, with four of its senators in favor and the other five opposed. Parties who voted entirely against the bill include the Christian parties SGP and ChristenUnie, two far-right parties, PVV and Forum for Democracy, and the sole senator from OSF, a cooperation of local parties across the Netherlands.


The five-day waiting period starts after consultation with a doctor. It was intended to help women make an "informed and careful" decision about an abortion. Proponents of the new bill said the law was outdated and needed to be changed because women are quite capable of making such a decision more quickly. In the future, a woman will be able to decide for herself, in consultation with a doctor and on a case-by-case basis, whether a thinking period is actually necessary.

DJ, The US may now have an abortion-law that is worse then Brasil has...



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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: June 25 2022 at 3:25am

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/nine-former-border-patrol-heads-oppose-punishment-agents-cleared-whipping-migrants[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/political/nine-former-border-patrol-heads-oppose-punishment-agents-cleared-whipping-migrants - https://www.zerohedge.com/political/nine-former-border-patrol-heads-oppose-punishment-agents-cleared-whipping-migrants ;

Nine former senior Border Patrol officials, including four national Border Patrol chiefs have written a letter to Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas voicing opposition to the punishment of agents who were cleared of charges of ‘whipping’ migrants.

As we https://summit.news/2022/06/16/report-biden-to-punish-border-patrol-agents-even-though-they-were-cleared-of-whipping-migrants/" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(20, 112, 178); - noted last week , Joe Biden’s Department of Homeland Security is reportedly still going to punish the Border Patrol Agents in connection with the infamous fake ‘whipping’ Haitian migrants incident that was https://summit.news/2021/09/21/aoc-omar-spread-fake-news-claims-that-border-patrol-is-whipping-migrants/" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(20, 112, 178); - hyped up by Democrats and the media, even though the agents were found to have done nothing wrong.

The agents were not whipping migrants, they were holding horse reigns to control their animals, a fact that was pointed out at the time of the incident, even by the photographer who took the original images.


DJ, A "right" to carry fire-arms allover the US, attack on abortionrights, gaymarriage under pressure...starting wars and inequality but then refusing to take the refugees that this "politicy" brings....




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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: June 26 2022 at 1:34am

[url]https://act.represent.us/sign/democracy-republic[/url] or https://act.represent.us/sign/democracy-republic - https://act.represent.us/sign/democracy-republic ;

Bonus: Is the United States still a democracy/republic?

In the literal sense of the word, yes. In practice, the answer is more complicated. In 2016, The Economist Intelligence Unit downgraded the United States from a “full democracy” to a “ https://bulletin.represent.us/demdowngrade1/" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: underline; transition: color 0.25s ease-in-out 0s; cursor: pointer; color: rgb(1, 150, 255); border-bottom: 0px; font-weight: 600; border-top: 0px !important; border-right: 0px !important; border-left: 0px !important; border-image: initial !important; - flawed democracy ” in its Democracy Report, an annual study of the “state of democracy” around the world.

There were a number of reasons the nation’s rating fell, but one of the most important was the American public’s declining trust in government. Our system of government depends on citizens being able to freely elect leaders who will represent their interests. Unfortunately, that doesn’t always happen. In a  https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: underline; transition: color 0.25s ease-in-out 0s; cursor: pointer; color: rgb(1, 150, 255); border-bottom: 0px; font-weight: 600; border-top: 0px !important; border-right: 0px !important; border-left: 0px !important; border-image: initial !important; - study published 2014 , two political scientists found that, on average, the policies representatives pursue are not in fact dictated by public opinion. This is the mark of a flawed democracy/republic: election without true representation.

In 2021, the International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance (IDEA) classified the United States as a " https://act.represent.us/sign/historic-first-united-states-classified-backsliding-democracy/" style="box-sizing: border-box; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: underline; transition: color 0.25s ease-in-out 0s; cursor: pointer; color: rgb(1, 150, 255); border-bottom: 0px; font-weight: 600; border-top: 0px !important; border-right: 0px !important; border-left: 0px !important; border-image: initial !important; - backsliding democracy " for the first time.

So, is the United States a democracy or a republic?

The United States is both a democracy and a republic.

[url]https://act.represent.us/sign/historic-first-united-states-classified-backsliding-democracy/[/url] or https://act.represent.us/sign/historic-first-united-states-classified-backsliding-democracy/ - https://act.represent.us/sign/historic-first-united-states-classified-backsliding-democracy/ ;

Democracy on the Decline Around the World

For the first time since the annual https://www.idea.int/gsod/sites/default/files/2021-11/the-global-state-of-democracy-2021_1.pdf" rel="noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; background-color: transparent; text-decoration: underline; transition: color 0.25s ease-in-out 0s; cursor: pointer; color: rgb(1, 150, 255); border-bottom: 0px; font-weight: 600; border-top: 0px !important; border-right: 0px !important; border-left: 0px !important; border-image: initial !important; - report began in 2017, the United States has been classified as a backsliding democracy. And although IDEA only began publishing the report in 2017, their data goes back to 1975, meaning that this is the first time in 45 years that IDEA’s researchers have noticed such a decline. Unfortunately, the United States is far from alone in its democratic decline. Nearly three times as many countries are trending towards authoritarianism as are trending towards democracy. In the most recent report, IDEA contended that 20 countries are moving in an “authoritarian direction,” while only seven countries were said to be headed in a democratic one.

DJ, International companies with a "bigger GDP" then a lot of countries, 0,1% of the global population claiming to "own" more then 50% of "the world" does "not make democracy stronger"....

It is NOT only a US problem, the EU moving towards the same direction..."Politics" ending up making choices a majority of the people do NOT agree with...Reason why climate change, pandemics, wars keep going on...



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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein


Posted By: cobber
Date Posted: June 27 2022 at 3:14pm

Pendulum swings. 

Authoritarian left wing swinging back to a democratic right. Eventually it will swing to authoritarian right and we swing back again. 30 years or so

Roe V Wade case in point. Leftist nut jobs were pushing things like infanticide to be legal. This is obviously mental. I think it was Gov Cuomo's laws made this technically possible. 

Irony... Cuomo banned lethal injection for murderers. Must have been saving up his poisons for them dangerous babies. 




Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: June 28 2022 at 12:15am

[url]https://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/research/new-netherland-research-center-on-site-resources/new-netherland-project-publications/[/url] or https://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/research/new-netherland-research-center-on-site-resources/new-netherland-project-publications/ - https://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/research/new-netherland-research-center-on-site-resources/new-netherland-project-publications/ (and [url]https://isgeschiedenis.nl/longreads/de-nederlanders-founding-fathers-van-amerika[/url] or https://isgeschiedenis.nl/longreads/de-nederlanders-founding-fathers-van-amerika - https://isgeschiedenis.nl/longreads/de-nederlanders-founding-fathers-van-amerika in Dutch; "The Dutch founding fathers of America")

The French revolution 1789 followed the US 1776 "revolution" - so French ideas may have played a role in early US history but French "state institutions" did not...

The idea of a "federal supreme court" and "president" (not a king) may have Dutch roots...[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_(government_title)[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_(government_title) could be seen as chairman...[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Republic[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Republic - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Republic ;

The United Provinces of the Netherlands, also known as the United Provinces, officially as the Republic of the Seven United Netherlands ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_language" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Dutch language - Dutch : Republiek der Zeven Verenigde Nederlanden), and commonly referred to in  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historiography" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Historiography - historiography as the Dutch Republic, was a  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_republic" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Federal republic - federal republic which existed from 1588, during the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Revolt" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Dutch Revolt - Dutch Revolt , to 1795 (the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batavian_Revolution" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Batavian Revolution - Batavian Revolution ). It was a  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predecessor_state" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Predecessor state - predecessor state of the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Netherlands - Netherlands and the first fully independent  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_people" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Dutch people - Dutch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Nation state - nation state .

The republic was established after seven Dutch provinces in the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Netherlands" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Spanish Netherlands - Spanish Netherlands revolted against  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Empire" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Spanish Empire - rule by Spain . The provinces formed a mutual alliance against Spain in 1579 (the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Utrecht" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Union of Utrecht - Union of Utrecht ) and declared their independence in 1581 (the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Abjuration" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Act of Abjuration - Act of Abjuration ). It comprised  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lordship_of_Groningen" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Lordship of Groningen - Groningen ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lordship_of_Frisia" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Lordship of Frisia - Frisia ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lordship_of_Overijssel" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Lordship of Overijssel - Overijssel ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Guelders" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Duchy of Guelders - Guelders ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lordship_of_Utrecht" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Lordship of Utrecht - Utrecht ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_of_Holland" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="County of Holland - Holland and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_of_Zeeland" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="County of Zeeland - Zeeland .

Although the state was small and contained only around 1.5 million inhabitants, it controlled a worldwide network of seafaring  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_route" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Trade route - trade routes . Through its trading companies, the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_India_Company" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Dutch East India Company - Dutch East India Company (VOC) and the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_West_India_Company" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Dutch West India Company - Dutch West India Company (GWC) , it established a  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Empire" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Dutch Empire - Dutch colonial empire . The income from this trade allowed the Dutch Republic to compete militarily against much larger countries. It amassed a huge fleet of 2,000 ships, initially larger than the fleets of England and France combined. Major conflicts were fought in the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighty_Years%27_War" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Eighty Years' War - Eighty Years' War against Spain (from the foundation of the Dutch Republic until 1648), the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch%E2%80%93Portuguese_War" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Dutch–Portuguese War - Dutch–Portuguese War (1602–1663), four  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Dutch_Wars" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Anglo-Dutch Wars - Anglo-Dutch Wars (the first against the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_England" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Commonwealth of England - Commonwealth of England , two against the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_England" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Kingdom of England - Kingdom of England , and a fourth against the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Great_Britain" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Kingdom of Great Britain - Kingdom of Great Britain :  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Dutch_War" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="First Anglo-Dutch War - 1652–1654 ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Anglo-Dutch_War" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Second Anglo-Dutch War - 1665–1667 ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Anglo-Dutch_War" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Third Anglo-Dutch War - 1672–1674 and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Anglo-Dutch_War" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Fourth Anglo-Dutch War - 1780–1784 ), the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Dutch_War" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Franco-Dutch War - Franco-Dutch War (1672–1678), and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Grand_Alliance" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="War of the Grand Alliance - War of the Grand Alliance (1688–1697) against the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_France" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Kingdom of France - Kingdom of France .

The republic was more tolerant of different religions and ideas than its contemporary states were, allowing  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_thought" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Freedom of thought - freedom of thought to its residents. Artists flourished under this regime, including painters such as  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rembrandt" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Rembrandt - Rembrandt ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Vermeer" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Johannes Vermeer - Johannes Vermeer and many others. So did scientists, such as  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Grotius" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Hugo Grotius - Hugo Grotius ,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christiaan_Huygens" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Christiaan Huygens - Christiaan Huygens and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonie_van_Leeuwenhoek" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Antonie van Leeuwenhoek - Antonie van Leeuwenhoek . Because Dutch trade, science, military, and art were among the most acclaimed in the world during much of the 17th century, this period became known in  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Netherlands" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="History of the Netherlands - Dutch history as the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Golden_Age" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Dutch Golden Age - Dutch Golden Age .

The republic was a  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Confederation - confederation of provinces each with a high degree of independence from the federal assembly, known as the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_General_of_the_Netherlands#Dutch_Republic" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="States General of the Netherlands - States General . In the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_of_Westphalia" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Peace of Westphalia - Peace of Westphalia (1648) the republic gained approximately 20% more territory, located outside the member provinces, which was ruled directly by the States General as  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generality_Lands" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Generality Lands - Generality Lands . Each province was led by an official known as the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadtholder" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Stadtholder - stadtholder ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_language" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Dutch language - Dutch for 'steward'); this office was nominally open to anyone, but most provinces appointed a member of the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Orange" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="House of Orange - House of Orange . The position gradually became hereditary, with the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_of_Orange" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Prince of Orange - Prince of Orange simultaneously holding most or all of the stadtholderships, making them effectively the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_state" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Head of state - head of state . This created tension between political factions: the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orangism_(Dutch_Republic)" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Orangism (Dutch Republic) - Orangists favoured a powerful stadtholder, while the Republicans favoured a strong States General. The Republicans forced two  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Stadtholderless_period" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="First Stadtholderless period - Stadtholderless Periods , 1650–1672 and 1702–1747, with the latter causing national instability and the end of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Power" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Great Power - Great Power status.

Economic decline led to a period of political instability known as the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriottentijd" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Patriottentijd - Patriottentijd (1780–87). This unrest was temporarily suppressed by  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_invasion_of_Holland" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Prussian invasion of Holland - a Prussian invasion in support of the stadtholder. The  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="French Revolution - French Revolution and subsequent  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_First_Coalition" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="War of the First Coalition - War of the First Coalition caused these tensions to reignite. Following military defeat by France, the stadtholder was expelled in the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batavian_Revolution" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Batavian Revolution - Batavian Revolution of 1795. This ended the Dutch Republic; it was succeeded by the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batavian_Republic" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Batavian Republic - Batavian Republic .

Presidential elections in most countries are not that problematic as US presidential elections have become...

However "you have rules" and you have "how people (mis)use rules"....Funding of political parties by big companies may be missed in "old rules", ignoring "politics for sale" could be seen as misuse of rules...

DJ-The "United States of the Netherlands" as a (sort of) Republic did see lots of conflicts later on showing up in the USA (what to organize on a federal level, what on provincial/state level. NL itself did not have official "slaves" but was one of the major slave traders...Also the "religious questions" (and conflicts between protestants and catholics a.o.) tolerating other religions-as long as they were hidden-keeps returning in NL history...

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic#History[/url] or  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic#History - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic#History  a "republic" as "state" may be an older idea then "kings/queens"...




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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein


Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: July 02 2022 at 11:11pm

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2022/07/02/women-waves-receives-applications-us-abortion-ship[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2022/07/02/women-waves-receives-applications-us-abortion-ship - https://nltimes.nl/2022/07/02/women-waves-receives-applications-us-abortion-ship ;

On the Women on Waves abortion ship, pregnancies can be terminated outside the territorial waters of countries where abortion is illegal. According to Gomperts, the organization is not currently deploying the ship, but is examining "whether that makes sense, where and when."

However, Gomperts helps pregnant women with abortion pills through another organization she is affiliated with, Aid Access. Demand for prescriptions for those pills has increased from 600 emails per day to 4,000 emails per day since the Supreme Court ruling. "That says something about the panic that prevails," Gomperts said.


The doctor wants abortion pills to be freely available at drug stores in the U.S. This can also offer solace in conservative states. "The pills also work well against endometriosis and they can be used as contraception. The right to it has not been deleted.

and [url]https://nltimes.nl/2022/07/02/hundreds-gather-dam-square-protest-abortion-rights[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2022/07/02/hundreds-gather-dam-square-protest-abortion-rights - https://nltimes.nl/2022/07/02/hundreds-gather-dam-square-protest-abortion-rights ;

Protesters flooded Dam Square in Amsterdam on Saturday afternoon to support abortion rights in the Netherlands, in response to the recent U.S. Supreme Court decision that abolished people’s constituional right to abortions. The organizers of the protest call for the removal of abortion from the Dutch Criminal Code.

The demonstration, which began at 1 p.m. on Saturday, is organized by the groups Baas in Eigen Buik (Boss of Your Own Belly) and Abortus is Een Recht (Abortion is a Right). They call attention to the fact that, although people can receive abortions up to 24 weeks of pregnancy in the Netherlands, and after that time under certain conditions, abortion is still punishable under the Dutch Criminal Code if not performed in a hospital or abortion clinic.

DJ To prevent abortions the best way good info/education is needed...So you see better informed women have much less abortions...

Problem is some groups are also against good info/education on relations and sexuality....

DJ-Not only in the US but it looks worldwide-abortion rights, gaymarriage/adoption rights to "insect-burgers", fighting pandemics, climate change is under attack...

I think some people see those "views" as a threat for their way of thinking...

I am against-of possible-mandatory vaccinations...want good and honest info on vaccination-risks (and I think we are not getting that !!!). But "groups" against vaccinations often are also against good info....

Here in NL you have "child benifits" (part of it based on a law from 1941-a nazi-law to promote "[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race )..Some "families" have "lots of children" -sometimes for financial reasons...I rather would see that money was invested in free  (tax paid) child care and education...

A taboo is "better educated" have less/no children...often the lower the level of education the more children women get...(with of course men also in a role). 

Good info-going for facts-can avoid pointless discussions and "factfree science" resulting in crazy laws/rulings.....

Going for "a new cold war"; the "west" against "the rest"-mainly Russia-China [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinese-and-russian-navies-circle-japan-show-force[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinese-and-russian-navies-circle-japan-show-force - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinese-and-russian-navies-circle-japan-show-force   has-I think-a relation with "steps back" on abortion-rights, gaymarriage etc...It is a "bigger picture"...

[url]https://southfront.org/the-great-white-west-aims-to-crush-slavs-and-chinese/[/url] or  https://southfront.org/the-great-white-west-aims-to-crush-slavs-and-chinese/ - https://southfront.org/the-great-white-west-aims-to-crush-slavs-and-chinese/  



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