Tracking the next pandemic: Avian Flu Talk |
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araywood
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Posted: March 07 2006 at 5:57am |
I have alot question on this one. If Florida was put under quarantine or had the slightest inclinging it was going to be put under quarantine. People would be fly driving out of this state in droves. Possibly infect other americans. I think of hurricaine season. I have family members that have never been through a hurricaine but have lived in florida for 20 years. As soon as it comes....... there gone. QUarantine would have to be done across the whole country. My son who is a all knowing 16 year old. Has told me "Quarantine....6 weeks in the house....no freakin way..they can shoot me". I am afraid taking the car away on this one isn't going to work. |
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Angel
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Watch the movie "The Stand"...they will bring in the military, which Bush has already agreed to do, and they will close the boarders. There will also be so many people in cars that will block the highway that you won't be able to move your car an inch. I see the only way you can get out of town is this: keep a constant eye on this forum, Dr. Niman's site...along with searching for news articles. This is your only hope to find out even hours before the general public and go. I would suggest you have things packed because minutes will count. |
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araywood
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Do you think the quarantine will be by area or country wide. Florida will be a huge problem with the amount of people that go in and out. There is a higher likely hood that it could start here and by the time they clamp down on the travel infected people have already left. I will be staying but I know alot of people that flee these areas during hurricaine season. Thanks for the Info.
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Google Posse Comitatus.
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I think that they would close all the borders. State wide and US north and South
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OK, to play devil's advocate here...if we know that there are people in
Ft Lauderdale that have bf, wouldn't it be a good idea to quarantine
south FL
to try to keep it from spreading. I realize that if it's in Ft Lauderdale it's elsewhere in the country too, but wouldn't quarantine slow it down? BTW I'm not necessarily in favor of quarantine and , I like Ft Lauderdale - I used to live there when I was a child. |
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They say it wil only slow it down, not stop it.
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Well - I think this answers the question. "A Russian virus expert warned Tuesday that a human pandemic was highly likely and told the government to get ready.
"No quarantine measure can prevent the pandemic. It can only slow it
for a few days," Dmitry Lvov, director of the Virology Institute at the
Russian Academy of Sciences, said in Moscow." (From another news thread) |
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Teagen
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I heard an expert say that if you were to stop all air and water travel from Europe & Asia to North America it would slow the spread of a Pandemic by 2 weeks. Once it has started going H2H there is no stopping it quarantine or not. |
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araywood
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The only solution is to cull the snow birds. Sorry I have a bad habit of making jokes in the face of imenant doom. If you take in account the incubation period and how man people travel out of our airports (so fla) I kinda see the russians point. Even the he blew it in 2004 prediction. |
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I'd welcome military personnel If it goes H2H here and the majority is unprepared, I'd be grateful to have military people trying to control the chaos. It would be a relief to many of us who have qualms about arming ourselves. Personal defense may still be needed, but it probably wouldn't be as bad if we had troops posted all over. We're probably going to lose our mobility regardless so I'd rather have people patroling who are equiped and trained to do what's needed. BTW - I am NOT a fan of the current administration but this may be one thing they take the smart approach on. |
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araywood
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Hey I don't understand the distrust with the military, having been through hurricaines down here. Those guys are great! I had one guy give me 3 WEEKS WORTH OF MRE's.
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loosecannon
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quarantine is a useful tool. It's not meant to be the solution. With other disease outbreaks it might work to stop it. In the case of BF , quarantine would just be meant to slow the spread, to give other areas that few more days to prepare. I "know someone, who knows someone" (you know how that goes) Anyway, I'm told, and believe it's true, that the military planners at the Pentagon have been burning the midnight oil preparing for a BF outbreak. It's only a guess, but if I was sitting at that table I'd make it sweet and simple. Quarantine the outbreak area to gain a few days, ban all public gaterings, close schools, close all commercial buildings and any other place where people gather in large groups. Take over all distribution of foods, medical supplies, etc. Stop all travel. And then hold on and hope that we could develop a vaccine before things deteriorate to the point that we could not do the research and production necessary to make a vaccine practical. As always... IMHO |
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Loose, I hope they aren't the same guys who planned levy breaks. I'm sure there are plans on how to respond to H2H. There are whole departments if not whole buildings of people who do this type of planning. Planning is fun, but how effective it will be is another issue, ala Katrina. If as stated above, that quarantine will slow the spread by a few days or weeks, the problems created by quarantine may not be worth the effort. Good prepping continues to be the best plan of action. As we saw in New Orleans, it is difficult to manage large numbers of hungry, scared, angry people. It would be wise not to be in the middle of this situation since every third person will be Very sick! Prep-On |
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justcor
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How will the government quarantine the entire U.S.? With 100,000 plus troops in Iraq that seems like it is not an option. Now if we see a localized outbreak then yes but I don't think we will see any wide spread military lockdown as that is not possible given the scale.
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cisco
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i wouldn't even attempt to evacuate and really don't understand why you anyone would want to, unless you're trying to reach family members. if we prep as much as we can, why would we want to hit the road and perhaps run out of gas and put ourselves at risk for more exposure? i, too, live in florida, but as mentioned by others, once it goes h2h, it's going to be all over the country. i don't think there will be any getting away from it. hope i'm wrong! cisco |
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let's hang tight, tough, and together!
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Essex
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Just great. The most serious public health issue in a generation at least and the "civil rights" whackos are out in force. The fascist Bush is going to sic the military on the American people.
Sheesh..... What will happen is this: People will be begging for the military to show up to protect them from their neighbors (as happened in Andrew and on the bridge out of NOLA) but they won't be there. They will be sick themselves. |
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Kirby
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Has it occurred to anyone that the speculation of troops in Irag in the the news this week may be due to needing them here at home to deal with BF? |
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We do not have the resources to quarantine major metroplexes.The National guard does not even have ammo most of the time when they are deployed. I doubt it would be possible to cordon off ( for instance) the LA Metro plex. In large cities the roads will be blocked and will act as choke points. You do not want to be a refugee. If you have a plan and supplies stay in place unless forced out. If they start trying to quarantine large cities it will be a total panic, for the people in them and for the military. It would not be containable. It is not that they will not try. It just will not work. |
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A Bible verse that is just perfect...... for the situation. |
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Also about the vaccine..yes it will be great if they do make one when this first hits,but there are only 2 major drug companies that make will make the vaccine and it will take them years to make enough to innoculate everyone that is left in the world..plus from what I have read you will need 2 shots...and the they will laso have to get past the laws governing how vaccines are made and tested....I really don,t think there will a vaccine available to the public during the pandemic..
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I think you are right muskrat. If there is a vacine it will go to military,first responders,doctors,those in charge.
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Doreen
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If the US Gov resorts to using the military to enforce a quarantine, most people will be glad for some order in the chaos. Remember Katrina? People were SCREAMING for the military to get involved, and were pissed that it took them 3 days to get activated in NO. Damned if you do - damned if you don't... As far as vaccines - yes the military would probably get it first, since they are first responders - and probably at high risk because of their youth and strong immune systems (Cytokine Storms therory of H5N1 viral infection) but they also would probably be guinea pigs for the rest of us. The military usually is... |
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ExaminedLife
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I think where everyone is confused here is who typically responds to domestic crises.
It's the National Guard and Coast Guard, and not units of our regular military. We do not have Army Rangers, Marines, Navy SEALS and the 101st Airborne patrol American cities, and for good reason. No one has said the National Guard and Coast Guard shouldn' t be deployed fully to assist with a pandemic. |
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Yes a quarantine would be good, your prepped, no one can hassle you. why not. The military, I'd rather them than the roving gangs. Vaccine's I don't think that we'll have to worry about that for a while. |
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Doreen
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FYI: Military help with Katrina: 3,600 troops from the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg, N.C., were on the ground in Louisiana and Mississippi with vital search-and-rescue helicopters. Another 2,500 troops from the 1st Cavalry Division at Fort Hood, Texas also helped the victims of Katrina. Along with the National Guard. |
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Blessings,
Doreen |
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Doreen
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And the Coast Guard....
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Blessings,
Doreen |
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Eduk8or
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As a member of a small town in the rural midwest, I'm wondering about
quarantine from within to keep others OUT? Someone has mentioned that in their local area there would be decals given to the local residents for the intention of deciding who gets in and is allowed movement within the communtiy and who doesn't.. now when those decals get given out wasn't asked or answered and once locals "leave" the self-quarantined area, when do they get back in? |
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you can't let them out... they know too much
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Doreen
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I bet there will be a number of towns that do impose their own quarantines to keep outsiders and influenza out....they did in 1918.
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loosecannon
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I read that some small towns set up quarantines, but in most cases they had little effect. There were actually only a few places (isolated islands) where the virus didn't hit. Straying from the quarantine topic: I live in a big city. When I was young I knew a man that lived thru the 1918 pandemic. He told stories how they worked 24 hours a day building coffins, and that bodies were stacked in the street waiting for pickup. I know, I've read that in articles before too, but it's a little different when you are hearing someone that lived thru it, and can watch their face as they think back to those days. Let's pray we don't have to repeat those stories to our kids. |
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araywood
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I accidentally made a short cut through a Leopor/TB colony while climbing in Nepal it was the sadest thing I ever saw. Such an absence of hope. The guy I climbed with was so moved he quit a nice 6 figure job and joined the peace corp.I truely fear that I may see this type of suffering again.I heard a hospital in Philly saw almost 1000 deaths in 1 day(1918). Nothing can prepare you for that. People are not use to that type of suffering.(not here). So scary So sad!!!
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+10000000 to our military! If you a quarantined, stay there, and do not help spread death to your countryman.
What if the BF hits in the middle of Hurricane season.......? |
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If BF does get bad, it would take weeks for the government to bring the resources out to enforce a quarentine. Days or hours would be out of the question, they can't decide what to do in hours, much less do it.
IMAO, if you not over a days drive from your home, you should be OK. Getting fuel to get you home could be a problem, and if TSHTF, get to the backroads ASAP. Interstates would be parking lots, always are. |
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Dispenser said: What if the BF hits in the middle of Hurricane season.......?<snip> I have been pondering the same scenario . It would be just my luck. The last major hurricane we had here, my boy had strep. I was in the drs. office with him until 3pm the day Charlie was going to hit. The safe room in my house is an interior bathroom with just enough room for three adults, a child and four dogs.It's cramped ,but it's safe. To better prepare for this year's season I obtained some small mattresses like the ones used for campers. these fit nicely in the bathtub and on the tile floor. Under the sink I keep all the pertinent supplies needed to spend a least a day in the safe room. Including medicine and medical kit,food, water. I also keep the handheld tv, flashlights,a battery operated fan and lamp under the sink. |
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Scott
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If you know a hurricane is coming, GET OUT OF DODGE! I found fairly
inexpensive trailers (relatively speaking) for sale at Home Depot.
Large enough to put all our supplies into (enough for 5 people for six
months). I would load it up and move out. Question then becomes
where to go. State Park? Relative? Hotel?Pre-arrange an exit strategy.
Be prepared to move out in 15 minutes or less. We have timed ourselves
and can do it in about 12minutes. That's three kids under 6, 100lb.
german shepherd, food, water, diapers, fuel, all camping stuff, weapons
for defense map and gone in 12 minutes! Yes, as a former Marine, I
believe in drilling for the events. Atleast this way you would
have your supplies that you have prepped for with you. I do not believe
that any local govt. could stop the masses evacuating due to a
hurricane. Remember the pictures of the thousands of cars exiting FLA
last year. I do not think Jeb or any other Gov. would stop the
evacuation due to Hurrican.
Another option is to store underground waterproofed cache. All you need is a shovel and cover of darkness. I read this in a survival article. A little too much for me, but still an option. Dangerous risk as the area hit by the hurricane may not be accessible for days, forcing you into food lines (exposure). Intersting scenario. Many options. Hope this helps. Scott |
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