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    Posted: December 18 2006 at 6:08am

If you're a hunter, feel free to tell us about what you hunt for, where, time of season, personal hunting stories, etc ...

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I am a hunter.  I enjoy being outdoors and providign food for the family.  I killed a small 4 pointer this year (deer weight 120 lbs field dressed).  I use a muzzleloader as it is lighter and more accurate than any shotgun I have used in the past.  It is also cheaper to shoot.  I also hunt small game and enjoy rabbit and squirrel hunting.  
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I hunt. I usually take 2 deer a year.    
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I hunt ferral hogs year round.

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When I was growing up we ate squirrel and rabbit a lot. I would watch my father skin and clean them. I got pretty good at it. I have not done it in a while. Cleaning game is a skill that is not forgotten easily. If you can kill it and clean it, you got food.
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Following up on Albert's question:
For my fellow hunters out there, do y'all just use the meat, or do you harvest as much as possible from the animal? Furs or hides? To be honest, i never really thought about it until just now, but my dad always took 3-4 deer per season, kept 2 and gave the other 2 to the local orphanage. He always gave the hides away to the processor...
 
I ate a lot of deer meat growing up, rabbit and squirrel too. But i never asked about the hides. So, just how much of a deer/pig/rabbit do you keep?
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FW I usually just keep the meat. I usually get the deer processed, but have butchered deer myself in the past. I haven't hunted rabbits or squirrels in a while, but my place has plenty of both.

I haven't tanned a hide since the boy scouts. I did a rabbit back then. I sure if push came to shove I could do a deer if I had to.

Nice to see you here also.
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My wife and I came from hunting families.  We hunt alot.  We eat deer, bear, goose, turkey, and small game and fish.  Our freezers get filled this time of year.  Last year my son and I got 9 deer between gun and archery seasons.  5 went into the freezer, 4 we gave to needy friends.  We grind our own burger and process all our own animals.  We can cut up an average size deer from skinning to clean up in 2 1/2 hrs. This year we will can 5-6 cases of quart jars of venison.  That will last about 3 years.  Actually we rarely eat beef unless my wife gets a good deal at the store or we go out.  Some people think we are weird, but the savings are HUGE in our budget, we know what we are eating and its very healthy too.  When people say they dont like eating wild game I laugh because its like anything, you need to know how to prepare it.  It helps that I married a good cook.
 
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    Maybe cheap in the short run but ecologically dangerous and expensive in the long run. I don't kill the animals, I only make exceptions to cattle whose populations are far larger than the wildlife population. What you do is simply wrong, it's not just about the pain the animals feel you're hurting the environment.
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Again here we go, time to educate those that have no idea what they are talking about.  In WI there are 1.3 million deer.  In the southern part of the state we have a disease that is spreading called CWD.  Its the equivalant to AIDS but is passed just from close contact among deer due to over population.

I do not understand what your talking about how it hurts the enviroment.  Over population of the herd will be to their own demise.  There is no natural predation, unless you count deer killed by vehicles on the roadways.  During the rut (mating season) our sheriff's dept where I work handles 25-50 car deer accidents per day over a month period.  I have seen countless animals die painfully due to car crashes.
    
Go ahead and eat the beef that is is held in stantions and never leaves a barn and pumped with hormones to grow fast and wonder why your sick.  Wonder why 8 & 9 year old children go into puberty so early?  Keep eating your chicken, beef and pigs pumped with growth garbage and antibiotics just to make sure they get the most weight for the dollar on a corporate farm.  Trust me I live in farm country and grew up on a farm.  But farms that are are owned by overseas interests is where the vast majority  of the meat comes from in the supermarket.
 
Hunters do more to positively impact wildlife than any corporate farms ever do.  Sportsmans Clubs across the country have saved more wet lands, restocked more widlife and fish than anyone knows.  So before you bash hunting and call it wrong, know what your talking about.  Besides I just replied to a thread someone else had an interest in and did not expect to get bashed by an antihunter. 
 
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    I'll never believe in hunting and there's nothing you can say that will change my mind. You do not need to kill an animal for food, you can buy dead meat at the grocery store. Besides, you probably paid more for the hunters permit than the worth of the meat in dollar terms. Overpopulation can be handled by different methods rather than killing momma deer so her cubs die of hunger. Do you know how much it hurts to go hungry? If someone killed you it would be called murder, and there are 6 billion people in this world that are going to choke to death once the planet's resources are exhausted. Does that mean they should die? I'm sorry, it isn't the 1900's, the ecosystem is dying. You shouldn't be allowed to hunt or fish until the problem has been rectified. Then you can go murder and get your meat clean of preservatives and hormones. Bet you catch e coli and/or salmonella anyway.
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Haha, Sometimes John I agree totally with what you say. Here we're going to have to disagree.

Originally posted by johngardner1 johngardner1 wrote:

     I'll never believe in hunting and there's nothing you can say that will change my mind.


This sounds like a closed minded statement if I've ever heard one...

Originally posted by JohnGardner JohnGardner wrote:

You do not need to kill an animal for food, you can buy dead meat at the grocery store.


Sooooo Exactly what is the meat you bought at the grocery store made of? Last I checked it didn't get created dead. It came from some poor cow that lived his life after being castrated and then pumped full of antibiotics and growth hormones to grow big in a few years. Did I mention that they live the vast majority of their lives in what you or I would call horrible conditions? I'm sure that after Huck shoots the deer or whatever it is, which is far more humane a way to die than being herded into a pen where some guy takes a boltgun to it's head could ever be, they're dead meat too.

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Besides, you probably paid more for the hunters permit than the worth of the meat in dollar terms.


I will hunt in both Minnesota and Wisconsin this year. As a police officer I can buy a deer license for the same price as Wisconsin residents, which is $20 last time I checked. SO:

Deer license = $20
Rifle = already purchased, but for argument's sake let's put it at $300
Ammo = $20 Hornady TAP (Works amazingly well on deer)

Now if I shoot a 150 lb animal, I paid right around $2.00 a pound for my meat. Then when you factor in that I probably won't use my entire box of ammo for my one deer and can shoot more than one in intensive harvest areas, also I do not spend the price of the rifle more than once, I can end up spending far less than that per pound of meat. It's far more economical than going to the store and buying "dead meat."


Quote Overpopulation can be handled by different methods rather than killing momma deer so her cubs die of hunger.


Oh really? Like what? Poison? Traps? Deer contraception? I want to hear even one idea.

Originally posted by JohnGardner JohnGardner wrote:

Do you know how much it hurts to go hungry?


You make Huck and my point. It does HURT to go hungry. It's hell to go without food. But since there's no predation on the deer, they will overpopulate to the point where nothing is left and then they all starve. I'd say that it'd hurt when they all starve because there's just too many of them for the ecosystem to handle, wouldn't you???

Originally posted by JohnGardner JohnGardner wrote:


If someone killed you it would be called murder, and there are 6 billion people in this world that are going to choke to death once the planet's resources are exhausted.


Again you make his point. The analogy that there's just too damn many people, making that many more too many people more than the Earth's ecosystem can handle has eater up all the resources. If deer are left without predation, they'll overpopulate, eat up all the resources, and "Choke to death" once the resources are used up.

Originally posted by JohnGardner JohnGardner wrote:


Does that mean they should die?


So are we valuing the life of a deer more than a cow? Exactly what are the criteria that makes a deer more valuable than a cow? Deer have half the intelligence, so we can't use that one. I want you to point out the criteria that makes one more valuable than the other.

Originally posted by JohnGardner JohnGardner wrote:


I'm sorry, it isn't the 1900's, the ecosystem is dying. You shouldn't be allowed to hunt or fish until the problem has been rectified.


Soooooo we should just let the wildlife overpopulate to teh point they're starving, further killing the ecosystem because you see a problem in someone shooting a deer.

Originally posted by JohnGardner JohnGardner wrote:

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Then you can go murder and get your meat clean of preservatives and hormones. Bet you catch e coli and/or salmonella anyway.

    
Which is closer to murder? A cow, a Turkey or chicken that's kept cooped in a box, and is then pumped full of everything they're not supposed to be eating, until they're so big and heavy they can't even stand their own weight. Then they're pulled into a terrifying world where someone takes a boltgun to their heads, or broils their feathers off while they're alive, moments before their heads are sliced off? Or a deer that probably led a life in the wild, eating the things they're meant to eat, doing the things they're meant to do, then get harvested by a predator, in this case Huck or myself, and they're used in their entirety. I will take their skin and give it to the needy for leather and clothes, the meat I'll eat, and will give at least half to those that are hungry etc. Can the same be said for that poor cow, chicken or turkey? I think not. More than half of it is recycled back into the food chain, AND IS FED RIGHT BACK TO THE OTHER COWS/CHICKENS/TURKEYS!!! They're forced to cannibalize!

And you have the audacity to call hunting murder while you condone the supermarket style of buying your food. The difference is that you don't know what happened to your "deaad meat" while I know exactly where mine came from.

John, you sound like a city kid that was spoon fed the liberal agenda in the indoctrination camp...er ... public school and took what they taught you as fact. Then you went to college where the indoctrination was further solidified into your standard closed minded, happy hippie world where the deer can laugh and play, with their gumdrop smiles, and rivers of chocolate. Sorry to snap my fingers and wake you up, but your paradigm of what the world is, is very wrong.
    
    
    
    
    
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Hey Huck, where do you hunt? In MN I go right up by Zerkel in zone 2. In WI I'll go on some Indian land where I got tags and permission to hunt.

Since you're an officer too you should look into getting a MN tag. You won't have to pay the reciprocity fee and should only have to spend $20. Our season opens and closes before yours opens, so you can get twice the hunting.

Good luck with your hunts, you big bad murderer you!
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    My response is that cows aren't an endangered species like deer. I'm perfectly aware that cows suffer and can't wait til science invents the replicator like on star trek.
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Deer aren't an endangered species by *ANY* stretch of the imagination.

When I worked in Missouri, I'd have to put one or two whitetail deer down every day because there was an overpopulation issue steming from some out of towner PETA type saying there was no hunting in and around the city I worked for. I saw literally hundreds of deer-strikes on the roads. It was rediculous. Deer are horribly unintelligent animals and seem to be drawn to busy roads like bugs to halogen lights.

At this point in Minnesota and Wisconsin they're giving record numbers of management permits to the hunters. Management permits are those given where hunters are allowed to shoot as many deer as they can. There's just too many of them in many areas of both Minnesota and Wisconsin.

Further in Wisconsin they had a problem with a Chronic Wasting Disease epidemic in their deer population. This stemmed from farmers feeding the cows feed that had animal parts in it and the deer sneaking it. It's also convieniently enough the same place that Mad Cow disease came from. Nature does not favor cannibalism, and brain diseases etc run rampant when you feed cows, cow parts. Anyway, the state relied on hunters to shoot any deer that was showing signs of the disease, and I believe in Northern Wisconsin, some areas they wanted ALL whitetails eradicated.
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   Well, I've never killed a cute, sweet, blameless little deer and never will.
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But you'll happily eat cute, sweet, blameless little calves?

I love when people who think like you get actually introduced to some wildlife. You then magically find that deer are not the sweet animals that Disney portrayed them to be, dogs and wild deer do not, and will not ever play together, and you saying that beef is tasty, yet venison is wrong is hypocracy plain and simple. At least the deer get a fighting chance, the cow doesn't even get that luxury.
    
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Turboguy, first I must say I like reading your posts. But, with great respect please, stop with the liberal bashing. I am a liberal, I come here to learn. Not every liberal supports the exact same issues and causes, just like every conservative has different views and opinions. I fully respect gun ownership, some I guns I question, some I don't, but I am not saying you can't own them.
Now for hunting. When I grew up we were poor because of choices my father made. But he was a hunter. If he hadn't hunted I would have gone to bed hungry many more times then I already did. I love venison. I actually went to out local butcher and told them I would pay for their service if the hunter would share their meat. Unfortunetly no one took me up on the offer.
My son wants a gun, but with some of his emtional issues I am saying no. He wants to learn to hunt. I tell him it is not easy to kill something and then clean it. I know I watched my grandmother kill and clean chickens on her farm. I saw my father clean what he caught, but it was way too long ago to remember how to do it.
My hunting question is this. With small game like rabbits, etc. how do you deal with fleas and ticks while you are cleaning it?
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    My argument is not that it's ethical to eat meat, but that it is more unethical to eat wild animals than cows cuz cows are more numerous by far in terms of population than deer
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    John why not quit whilst you are ahead, you are commenting on a board about HUNTING. Comparing wild life to domestic animals is like describing chalk and cheese, there is no comparison.
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Originally posted by flowerchild flowerchild wrote:

But, with great respect please, stop with the liberal bashing.


I apologize that I've offended you, however, I don't enjoy those that tend to lie on the left with their policies of legislating human behavior, selectively reading the Constitution's amendments as other than what they say, further treating the Constitution as a living document, and throwing feelings into a purely logical debate, making gross overgeneralizations without retort. In respect to you learning, I will tone the Liberal bashing down here. I will not stop when someone makes a comment that totally smacks of the indoctrination centers the public schools and higher learning colleges have become, from correcting them when they're so unbelievably wrong, their stance borders on total absurdity.

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I am a liberal, I come here to learn. Not every liberal supports the exact same issues and causes, just like every conservative has different views and opinions.


You apply that label to yourself, I did not. On many issues I tend to be firmly in your camp,(Abortion I am a firm supporter of Women's rights) however on others I am a staunch Conservative. (Just about everything else) I suppose I fall into the Libertarian camp, but if my party could ever get past the Marijuana legalization idiot fiasco I'll be quite a bit happier. Either way, more of my values fall in line with Conservatives, so I vote that way. I'm furious that conservative Democrats were elected to congress last time around, yet the likes of Pelosi, Kennedy, Feinstein, etc are in control. I was of the opinion that change might come to congress. I was wrong. It's more of the same, but with the other extreme in control.

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I fully respect gun ownership, some I guns I question, some I don't, but I am not saying you can't own them.


Fantastic. It shows that you're thinking. Read the Federalist papers, if you already haven't. They're very enlightening. Pay particular attention to where the founding fathers talk of freemen owning weapons. They specifically point out that our owning firearms isn't dependant on hunting.

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Now for hunting. When I grew up we were poor because of choices my father made. But he was a hunter. If he hadn't hunted I would have gone to bed hungry many more times then I already did. I love venison. I actually went to out local butcher and told them I would pay for their service if the hunter would share their meat. Unfortunetly no one took me up on the offer.


Ask around any hunters. The vast majority of us would happily give you an entire deer, or choice parts if you really wanted it. (Cleaned and skinned etc of course) If you were nearby I'd just give you one for free, (provided I got more than one myself, sometimes my luck sucks) no questions asked. Small town butchers would be great places to go to get your hands on venison. Typically many hunters pay for their deer processing with part of their harvests. The butcher then sells the venison. We city people aren't quite as able to get it as readily.

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My son wants a gun, but with some of his emtional issues I am saying no.


A good choice. Firearms are inherently dangerous tools. In the hands of those that might be emotionally unstable you have a recipe for a VTech Cho.

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My hunting question is this. With small game like rabbits, etc. how do you deal with fleas and ticks while you are cleaning it?

    
Typically I just gut the animal on the spot, Deer especially, then throw the animal on the trailer or in the bed of the truck. When the animal begins to cool off the ticks and fleas seem to know the animal is a goner and jump ship. Either way I then take the animal home and skin it, then put the skin and head in a garbage bag, seal it, and send it to one of the tanneries that want it. I got a nice pair of mittens one year that way.

When it's smaller game, I clean out the animal and then after the hunt I check myself really good for hitchhikers. Fleas aren't as much a fear to me as ticks, particularly deer ticks with their lyme's disease. If you really worry about them, like in the summer months, wear repellant with DEET and wear rubber gloves when you're cleaning. make sure your repellant DOES NOT come in contact with the meat or it can be ruined.
    
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    I'll drop the subject but you didn't change my mind any way whatsoever. Count on your grandchildren cursing you for the harm you did to the environment.
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     I'll drop the subject but you didn't change my mind any way whatsoever. Count on your grandchildren cursing you for the harm you did to the environment.

    
Boy John you really have absolutely no clue as to what the hell you're talking about.

I would believe that if I did not hunt them and they overpopulated to the point they were starving, thus making them all die, would cause my grandchildren to curse me that much more. It's become plainly apparrent that you haven't even given token thought to any of the points that I and Huck made.

Now pay attention. Which does more damage to our fragile environment: deer living the way they were meant to live, then being killed through predation, in this case the predator is a human? Or a huge industrial farm where literally thousands of animals are packed into deplorable conditions, and slaughtered on the same premesis, then those waste products are dumped straight into the local ecology? Did I mention the numerous possibilities of insane diseases popping up because of those conditions?

Thus far you've stated that deer are endangered, sweet and nice, and that it costs more to hunt them than to go to the store and buy beef. All of which are absolutely absurd. Each and every point you've made I've countered with rock solid facts. You're showing amazing closed mindedness, and quite honestly I'm surprised.
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    Let's just drop it. I see your arguments about overpopulation, but we could do ethical things like a lethal injection rather than shooting the poor animal multiple times before you finally nail it in the head. I'm just environmentally aware and we need more people like me
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Sorry John. I agree with turbo 100 %. " To each their own". No one should tell someone else how they should live their lives. PS: you should try some Venison some time. To me it tastes much better than beef and it,s healthier for you..
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Fine John.

But on your lethal injection deal: Try catching a whitetail deer some time. Their hooves are quite a lot like razor blades, and if a male they can be just as dangerous as a bull.

Further each and every deer, except one, I shot took one single shot and died. They didn't suffer, didn't run ten miles, etc. The one exception I shot and the deer jumped. The bullet struck the deer just under the shoulder and exploded the tibia. The deer then took one more bullet and was gone.

You seem to be under the impression that we're going out there to cause as much pain and misery as possible, when that's just not the case. The way I feel, and other hunters will agree 100%, is that I want the deer to hear a bang, look up, and there's the pearly gates. I personally don't want to have to chase a damn lightening quick deer twenty miles on foot until it finally dies. I will add though, that the way you described them dying is still far less painless than if a pack of coyotes, wolves, or a bear get ahold of them.
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I will add though, that the way you described them dying is still far less painless than if a pack of coyotes, wolves, or a bear get ahold of them.

And of course the slow death of a deer, when it gets hit by a car.....

Ever shoot any Coyotes Turbo?
    
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Here in Minnesota, no. While I was living in Missouri you bet I did.

I have an aunt that owns quite a lot of land near Camdenton and the coyotes would steal their chickens. They bought some of the expensive ones, and the coyotes got in the pen and killed them all. Some they didn't even eat, they just killed them for the hell of it. She has two small children, and a couple cats. Coyotes will take a little kid if they get the chance, and the cats would be done for if the coyotes got their way. They're pretty damn smart and wily so the first time I tried to blast one he figured me out and took off before I could get a shot.

I went over to OldAsRocks' house and he showed me a nifty little nightvision scope he had on a .17HMR and I had to have one for myself. I bought a few more chickens and waited on my aunt's porch with my M4gery and the nightvision scope and when they came around I'd nail them. I could really only do one every couple days, but the chickens were like crack for them. They absolutely *HAD* to have those chickens. I'd use some Black hills with the Nosler partition bullets. It was like a flyswatter on them.
    
When those deer get hit by cars, most of the time the people call the police and I shoot them in the head. It's a great way to try out different personal defense rounds. I found Glaser Safety Slugs to be near amazing when shooting them.
    
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Turboguy,

Thank you for the support.  Sorry I missed so much excitement.   Since this thread started I had to talk to the farmer that lives next door to me.  He was butchering a beef steer he raised for the freezer.  He shot that poor critter 5 times before it died.  I had to laugh when he told me that.  He also said the last time he shot 5 times he killed 5 deer.  So I wonder what was more humane?? 

Also to set the record straight.  WI is known as the Dairy State.   The WI Dept of Natural Resources even claims we have more deer in WI than cattle!

As far as hunting in MN, if I had some connections I would certainly consider it.   I dont know the terrritory and it takes time to get that started.

Coyote, I enjoy coyote hunting over the winter months.  Ice fishing is one of my favorite past times.  I really want to get up to Red Lake in MN to try and get some of those big crappies and walleyes I have been hearing so much about.

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Coyote, I enjoy coyote hunting over the winter months. Ice fishing is one of my favorite past times. I really want to get up to Red Lake in MN to try and get some of those big crappies and walleyes I have been hearing so much about.

Huck


Same here Huck. Someday I would like to do some Ice fishing again. It,s been about 8 years since i last did it.

It seems like i always get a coyote durring our reg. deer season. Good luck hunting guys!
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Hypocrasy in its worse form.  If I pay someone to murder someone else, guess what? I am guilty of murder as well.  You pay someone to "Murder" or put meat on your table.  We have canine teeth for a reason.  To eat meat., be it cow, deer, fish, birds, etc. is killing pure and simple.  God put these animals on this planet to be a food source, for us and for other predators.  We are not above the cycle of life, we live, we die, just like everything else on this planet.  You place yourself about the system, it is that mentality that has laid waste to our ecosystem and to the believe that we know better than God.  If you choose to be a vegaterian, great, but to pay someone else to kill an animal and say you are above it is plain wrong.
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Originally posted by johngardner1 johngardner1 wrote:

    I'll never believe in hunting and there's nothing you can say that will change my mind. You do not need to kill an animal for food, you can buy dead meat at the grocery store. Besides, you probably paid more for the hunters permit than the worth of the meat in dollar terms. Overpopulation can be handled by different methods rather than killing momma deer so her cubs die of hunger. Do you know how much it hurts to go hungry? If someone killed you it would be called murder, and there are 6 billion people in this world that are going to choke to death once the planet's resources are exhausted. Does that mean they should die? I'm sorry, it isn't the 1900's, the ecosystem is dying. You shouldn't be allowed to hunt or fish until the problem has been rectified. Then you can go murder and get your meat clean of preservatives and hormones. Bet you catch e coli and/or salmonella anyway.
Hypocrasy in its worse form.  If I pay someone to murder someone else, guess what? I am guilty of murder as well.  You pay someone to "Murder" or put meat on your table.  We have canine teeth for a reason.  To eat meat., be it cow, deer, fish, birds, etc. is killing pure and simple.  God put these animals on this planet to be a food source, for us and for other predators.  We are not above the cycle of life, we live, we die, just like everything else on this planet.  You place yourself about the system, it is that mentality that has laid waste to our ecosystem and to the believe that we know better than God.  If you choose to be a vegaterian, great, but to pay someone else to kill an animal and say you are above it is plain wrong.
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 i hunted when younger, we had a farm in northern WV and i hunted coons,rabbits, squirrels, and deer.  also groundhogs in the off season to keep skills sharp.  the groundhogs are a menace to farms and  considered vermin.
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It's part of the larger shame in modern society that urban youth are deprived of the experience of rural life.  I recall a little story where a rancher had hired a local kid to help with the zillion details of keeping everything running.  In due course, there came a night when the rancher was roused from his sleep by a storm.  Immediately, he was worried about the many things that could go wrong.  He got dressed, grabbed a lantern, and walked the grounds.  He found that all of the gates were closed and bolted.  Hand tools were all put away, and the shed sealed tight.  The animals all had proper food.  He returned to bed, and rested well, despite the interruption, because he knew that his helper had prepared for the storm.
How do urban kids actually learn anything worth knowing?
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 that i couldn't tell you.  modern people are often so divorced from reality and it's gritty bits that i despair!
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I agree 100% Sparrowminded.
 
If the economy crashes or we have a nasty case of hyperinflation you're going to see people literally starving in the most fertile farmlands the world has ever known. Urban youth couldn't even figure out how to make stream water potable in this day and age.
 
Nobody's ever told them that you just gotta boil it good and you get rid of most of the creepy crawlies.
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Yea.  I think that in a better world, we would not be thinking that every young man should serve a hitch in the military, or in some whacked out civilian defense league.  In a better world, the last 4 years of high school would be spent in a rural setting, where our citizens would learn practical, life supporting knowledge, along with the regular curriculum.  How to set a broken bone; clean a fish; make fire; raise livestock...  in short, how to ride well, shoot straight and speak the truth.
As it is, some of us have a chance to bring younger friends along to the great outdoors, and try to help instill that thirst for knowledge.
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Yup, as Heinlein so aptly pointed out: Specialization is for insects.
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every American should learn basic skills such as survival, farming, fighting [both personal and military] and then move on to his life's ambition.  schools should still have shooting teams!
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