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DJ-NL is slowly becoming a covid-hotspot [url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/08/07/finland-us-issue-travel-warnings-netherlands[/url] and [url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/08/former-rivm-chief-criticises-open-ended-dutch-approach-to-coronavirus/[/url] 

A Belgian study on Belgian cases shows most cases in poor urban area's with a lot of people from foreign background. In NL Amsterdam, Rotterdam healthcare expects infected people to now self contact and trace possible other people they infected due to shortage of staff.

With sewage samples indicating at airports of Amsterdam, Eindhoven a lot of virus is imported still no mandatory testing, quarantine...

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/worlds-top-epidemiologists-masks-dont-work[/url] DJ-Masks is still a problem in NL. Testing trends did show an increase in cases but now the last few days the cases are dropping again (less testing shows "less cases=progress"? ) [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/netherlands/[/url] Or is there a shortage of staff at the testing sites in NL ? 

We are in the middle of a heatwave [url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/08/08/code-orange-weather-alerts-issued-netherlands-temps-hit-35oc[/url] and lots of people on holiday-july and august are not the best time to get things organized in NL any year. 

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DJ-Some links;

[url]https://platosguns.com/2020/08/06/the-us-israel-and-beirutshima/[/url] DJ-The US want to stop the China new silk road reaching the EU. After first canceling the Haifa-China deal next was the destruction of Beirut. (see also [url]https://www.facebook.com/pepe.escobar.77377[/url]

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/florida-cases-fatalities-bounce-back-after-hurricane-us-deaths-top-160000-live-upates[/url]

[url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/08/blog-post.html[/url] Climate change is escalating-we may have another week with heat and increasing humidity here in NW Europe...

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DJ-Some corona "news" [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] for what it is worth; India leading new cases, US has more cases and deaths per million than Brazil, increases slowing down (????less testing ???)

-[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-08-08/green-tea-zinc[/url] would help to fight Covid19; 

As I noted last week, zinc has strong antiviral properties, but zinc cannot easily get into your cells without hitching a ride with a "zinc ionophore".  And I pointed out that the active ingredient in green tea (EGCG) is a powerful zinc ionophore which helps get zinc into the cells.

Interestingly, green tea itself may have powerful Covid-fighting properties in its own right.  And - coming full circle - zinc may help EGCG get into our cells.

-[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/within-days-i-was-able-breathe-nyc-democratic-councilman-says-hydroxychloroquine-saved[/url] and [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/as-thousands-died-from-covid-19-dr-anthony-fauci-hid-the-treatment-and-lied-about-its-effectiveness[/url] (DJ-There is little profit in HCQ and Prednisone-in more severe cases)

Economic damage;

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/gordon-were-heading-complete-financial-moral-political-collapse[/url] DJ-Did gold price explode or did currencies fall ? (DJ-I did read somewere US$ dropping 80% towards gold, € not much better-hyperinflation not yet showing because most of the created money still "at the top" with banks etc.). Of course this proces has started before Covid19 showed up-Coronacrisis making things worse...

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/watch-live-trump-make-announcement-major-news-conference[/url] DJ-Most governments now are in damage-control-modus, with no idea for a "new normal" pushing mountains-of-money to save an "old normal" that put is in the problem we now face...

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[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/satellite-photos-show-ship-that-carried-explosive-cargo-sunk-at-beirut-port/[/url] DJ-Pepe Escobar reporting French-US-Saudi-Israel attempt to get power in Lebanon. Russia-Iran-China also trying to get control-start of a new civil war ? The corona-crisis is destabilizing countries even further. [url]https://southfront.org/help-a-la-francaise-macron-pushes-neo-expansionism/[/url]

[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/turkey-resumes-projects-in-eastern-mediterranean-despite-conflict-with-egypt-greece/[/url];

DJ-tic tac-another timebomb waiting to explode (Egypt-Greece-France against Turkey-If one had any illusions about NATO)

[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-warns-israel-against-launching-more-strikes-in-syria/[/url] DJ-There are some indications Russia may believe Beirut-Port was attacked. 

Climate change;

[url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/tropical-storm-jangmi-looms-for-flood-weary-south-korea-japan/790394[/url]

[url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/current-pause-in-atlantic-tropical-activity-wont-last-long-expert-warns/790423[/url]

[url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/current-pause-in-atlantic-tropical-activity-wont-last-long-expert-warns/790423[/url]

DJ-In NL humidity and risk of severe thunderstorms are on the rise-heatwave most likely will continu for another week. Belgium , Luxemburg and Northern France go for a code Red [url]https://www.meteoalarm.eu/ne_NL/0/0/FR069-Pas%20de%20Calais.html[/url] temperatures go 37C close to 100F-for a longer time, with daily records broken, possibly also hottest day ever on their way. Also duration of the heatwave can become record breaking. 

-Another two mink farms in NL Covid-infected-total number now 29.

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DJ-The global coronacrisis is further destabilizing the global balances;

[url]https://thesaker.is/who-profits-from-the-beirut-tragedy/[/url]

To stop China from reaching the Mediterranean via a deal with the (Hezbollah backed) Lebanese government the US and Israel did blow up Beirut-basicly. The former Harari-Saudi backed government knew about the explosives in the port. These explosives were meant for "moderate rebels" in Syria. 

Netanyahu was ready to claim the destruction of a Hizbollah weapons depot-but then informed they hit "another target". (Was Israel tricked into attacking the ammonium nitrate storage ? )

[url]https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/more-questions-than-answers-in-ashes-of-beirut/[/url]

Lebanon now at the cross roads between "East" New Silk Road and "West" (US-Israel-KSA-France) 

DJ-The bigger picture is how far will the US go to stop China and how far will China go in reacting to that. How "weak" is the US due to Covid19 and the following economic chaos ? One frontline will be money (versus gold)-will the US$ collapse ? Will the EU go for EurAsia ? (To save the €). 

[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/chinas-entry-into-iran-will-destabilize-middle-east-us-state-dept/[/url] DJ-Is the strategic partnership between Iran and China for the US crossing a red line (and reason to look for Taiwan)? 

[url]https://southfront.org/selective-maritime-rules-the-united-states-diego-garcia-and-international-law/[/url] DJ-The US did the same with Diego Garcia (once part of Mauritius-seperated by the UK to lend for 50 years-till 2006-to the US) as they now blame China is doing in the South China Sea.

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DJ-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] looking at statistics one could believe number of tested cases/deaths are stabilizing. Major shift in countries effected-India-Brazil-US still in top 3 in new cases Colombia moving up fast, Peru #5. 

In deaths India, Mexico, Brazil are the top 3. USA, Colombia, Peru behind them. In general my conclusion-looking at the countries-often with poor healthcare-there must be serious undertesting and underreporting. 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/6-questions-honest-intelligent-reporter-would-ask-dr-fauci-about-covid-19[/url] basicly comes up with same points CM/PP now also is making ;

The PCR type test looks for pieces of the COVID-19 virus RNA. It does not determine whether the virus is alive or dead. A T-cell response would leave viral debris in the body for some period of time. A PCR test given in the absence of symptoms may detect this debris, giving the impression of an “asymptomatic” case.

Because I actively look for information and follow the data about COVID-19, it is easy to see there is a lot of good news. This is not a novel virus and it works in ways very similar to SARS. Cytokine storms have been studied for years and there are some good therapies available. Death rates are falling likely because doctors and patients are employing these therapies.

The virus is fading in the sunbelt and there are very good data to believe there are large swaths of the population that will not become ill with it. With improved treatment and some level of immunity in the population, everyone should feel confident in our ability to protect the vulnerable and return to a much more normal life.

The nation should not be discussing wearing goggles, additional lockdowns, testing asymptomatic people, and maintaining any policy that limits the civil liberties of its citizens. There is every reason to take greater steps toward reopening the economy, our schools, and normal life.

DJ-I think we may have to go for a "new normal". What is wrong with being on the safe side ? Working/studying from home, less (air)travel has a lot of benefits. Public healthcare deserves better funding used wisely-you work in care because you care-not because you want to be a millionaire..this Covid19 may be a first pandemic in a growing list of health risks. 

Most countries face serious healthissues based on human behaviour, obesity, smoking, lack of exercise (what is wrong with walking, dancing, riding a bike an hour every day ?)-healthier food (less fat and less meat), less cars...is the economy there for profit or for people ? 

[url]https://innovationorigins.com/study-existing-vaccine-is-safe-stimulates-the-immune-system-and-may-also-be-effective-against-covid-19/[/url] DJ-Do we already have a vaccine that may offer some protection against Covid 19 ? That would be great news !

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-08-06/bill-gates-climate-change-will-be-worse-covid-19[/url] DJ-I think this is correct-we are here in NL dealing with an unseen heatwave with both extreme heat and drought. We may not be far from a Blue Ocean Event-to little ice in the Arctic to keep temperatures under control. 

I notice a lot of similarities in discussion on Covid-19 and climate change. A lot of people deny the problem. Some take the problem serious and come up with very expensive answers (for profit). I believe answers may be cheap; less cars, meat, fossil fuels-why is that so hard ? Does profit go above humans even our only planet ???

I think we have been going much to far in the climate change process. We may already be far in exponential changes. All we can do is try to slow down that process-maybe limit damage a little...by making right choices, building better, cleaner cities and more fair societies. 

WAR

[url]https://southfront.org/presidential-election-and-maidan-attempts-in-belarus/[/url] Will Belarus become another Ukraine ? What can/will Russia do with its neighbour in crisis ? 

[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/its-not-clear-if-beirut-port-explosion-was-accident-or-attack-esper/[/url]  DJ-Who benefits ? Beirut close to making a deal with China after Haifa-Israel was stopped by the US in providing China with a mediterranean port. With a hizbollah-supported government in Lebanon since less than e year after protests ended a corrupt Saudi backed Hariri government. 

[url]https://platosguns.com/2020/07/31/america-chooses-a-new-mideast-policeman/#more-34729[/url] Turkey ? (DJ-Erdogan does what he wants-he is a partner of Iran in many ways-anti-Israel-so I doubt if Turkey-under Erdogan-can be a realistic US/NATO partner. Growing conflicts with Greece, France, Egypt-if this is the "new" US Middle East watchdog it is an awfull bad choice-again.)

From Peak Prosperity tp [url]https://southfront.org/southfront-declares-mass-mobilization/[/url] independent media-telling another story than the embedded mass media-are under pressure. Banned from youtube, facebook etc. their exposure is under pressure. 

With insane claims Trump became US president thanks to Putin, Russia-Iran-China running the US elections, Putin caused Brexit etc. I wonder if human brains are effected by climate change. Are we that stupid ? 

Western intervention in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Syria did not improve democracy or the well being of most. "We" spread chaos from Venezuela to Hong Kong. For the interest of the few at cost for all...

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Given wide scale problems with under-testing, I tend to look at the death rate to see what is happening.   Looking at the changing rate gives some idea of the problem.   So far this month  (based on data from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries) the countries with the fastest rising rate (measured in deaths per million) are;

Country          change    total    place in country table

Bolivia                + 59     307                    #19

Peru                   + 56      638                   #  5

Colombia           + 54     252                    #24

Panama             + 50     379                    #15

Mexico               + 47     403                     #13

Sin Maarten       + 46     396                     #14

Brazil                 + 40      475                     #11

South Africa       +40      175                     #32


by comparison the current rise in the USA lower than a lot of South America

USA                   +27       500                  #10

World average   +6.6        94



South America seems to be were one would look for a lot of stress from corvid-19, they have high death rates, and the speed of increase so far in August is way above the world average.   South Africa is also a place where there might be a lot of stress, although total number of reported deaths is still quite low. 

[ps. remember these are only the reported numbers, as many cases seem to have been missed due to limited testing - so the situation is worse that the statistics show]

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EdwinSM-Thanks for the update in statistics. The statistics may be one of a very few ways to get some oversight-but they are far from perfect. 

From lack of testing till waiting days before results come in "the world" should do much better. Contact-tracing is another huge problem-in many countries. People are less willing to cooperate if governments start blaming citizens "for not washing their hands enough" etc. while failing to put in effect travelrestrictions. 

I think that cities like Kinshasa [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo[/url] and Lagos [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/nigeria/[/url] will become very problematic. Covid19 shows to be most of a problem in urban area's with a poor population. 

-[url]https://innovationorigins.com/the-corona-chart-the-pandemic-thunders-back-into-europe-at-full-speed/[/url] ;

The summer corona wave now threatens almost every country in Europe. August promises to become a covid-intensive month.

Covid-19 returned to Europe in the first week of August. After a relatively quiet month of June and a July that was dominated by new waves, the figures for the first week of August most resemble those of last spring.

Whether you call this a second wave or an extension of the first wave, doesn’t matter: the pandemic is back in Europe. This started in the first weeks of July in Spain and later also in Belgium, but is now spreading almost everywhere. Already last week we noticed the return of the virus, now the pace is increasing as well.

New peaks have also been reached now by France, the Netherlands, Great Britain, Denmark, Austria, and the Czech Republic. This week’s subnational corona map of Europe, therefore, leaves little to the imagination.

[url]https://innovationorigins.com/quick-test-can-detect-antibodies-to-coronavirus-in-quarter-of-an-hour/[/url]

-Climate collapse;

[url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/08/asian-and-african-flooding-update.html[/url]

WAR

[url]https://southfront.org/turkey-libya-egypt-greece-maritime-dispute-fallout-continues/[/url] DJ-If the US is indeed giving Turkey "room to follow its own interests" another NATO-crisis is in the making. 

DJ-With covidcases exploding in much of Latin America social instability also explodes. [url]https://southfront.org/bolivia-post-coup-regime-offered-dialogue-no-agreement-reached-nationwide-blockade-to-continue/[/url] 

[url]https://southfront.org/belarus-protester-death-blamed-on-police-despite-video-evidence/[/url] western media going for another "color revolution"/civil war ? 

[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-tribe-forms-army-to-fight-sdf-gangs-and-us-occupation/[/url]

[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/lebanese-army-comments-on-rumors-of-tunnels-under-beirut-port/[/url]

[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/taiwanese-air-force-drove-out-chinese-warplanes-from-airspace-mod/[/url] 

Music; [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztZI2aLQ9Sw[/url] WAR-what is it good for ? Absolutely nothing !


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-A pandemic cost twice as much as a major war-according to a study; [url]https://www.rt.com/business/497585-mckinsey-pandemic-war-damages/[/url] ;

Production disruptions caused by the Covid-19 outbreak could cost the global economy twice as much as a hypothetical global military conflict, recent research by the McKinsey Global Institute shows.

In a report headlined ‘Risk, resilience, and rebalancing in global value chains’, the analysts of US-based consulting firm McKinsey evaluated various risks of a manufacturing shutdown lasting 100 days. The economic shocks considered in the report stem from a wide range of possible events – from a cyberattack and trade rows to military conflicts and a pandemic – and vary in frequency, lead time, and nature of impact.

It turns out that damages from a hypothetical world war scenario could amount to around $15 trillion, while the coronavirus pandemic would cost as much as two such conflicts and leave a hole of around $30 trillion in the global economy. This is three times more than the cost of the Great Recession, which is estimated at $10 trillion, and 30 times as much as the fallout from a large-scale cyberattack.

Looking at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] it looks like both tested cases and deaths number did decrease. Maybe to lack of testing ? 

Here in NL Amsterdam did see the highest number of Covid19-tested cases in one day from the start of the pandemic. Numbers going up. [url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/08/positive-coronavirus-test-total-rises-again-mps-to-debate-increase-wednesday/[/url] and [url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/08/10/covid-patients-hospital-since-july-1-new-infections-since-april-26[/url]

Schools will be reopening the coming weeks-with in higher education most will be "study at home". It is very likely the virus may get further out of control. 

-WAR

[url]https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/08/09/beirut-devastated-the-new-paradigm-may-be-explosive/[/url] (DJ-The west try to blame Hizbollah/Iran for the explosion-but the port was run by Sunni-old corrupt guard. If it is proven the explosion was an attack-meant as a warning against Iran-we "may be in a new chapter"-there will be a reaction.)

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/china-massing-invasion-craft-on-coast-opposite-taiwan[/url] DJ-China will not accept the US dealing with Taiwan as "another China".  I think chances of a "hot war" are limited-there are other ways China can put pressure on Taiwan-but most likely China's patience with the US is running out. 

Same goes for Russia [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/belarus-pulling-bridges-mi6-and-russiagate.html[/url] that blames the west for creating chaos in Belarus after earlier chaos in Ukraine (and earlier [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO[/url] putting much of eastern Europe into NATO). 

DJ-In Belarus the usual western scenario; "we" support the opposition/puppet-like we did from Venezuela to Syria, Libya, Ukraine, Hong Kong etc. (and then the next item is Russia interfering with US elections).

[url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/08/when-will-they-learn-almost-twice.html[/url] In Aden-Yemen the KSA/UAE forces stored 4900 tons of ammonium nitrate near residential areas. (Haifa-Israel also has major storage of these kind of materials in port). 

-Climate chaos

[url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/forecasters-watching-the-atlantic-basin-for-tropical-activity/792284[/url] Hurricane activity expected to increase later on this month;

AccuWeather's updated 2020 forecast is calling for up to 24 tropical storms this year, or double what a typical Atlantic hurricane season generates.

The climatological peak for the Atlantic hurricane season is around Sept. 10.

Kottlowski is expecting the eastern Pacific to "go wild with tropical activity over the next several weeks" and the Atlantic may follow suit toward the end of August and into the autumn months.

Heatwave; [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/possible-100-degree-heat-triggers-advisory-for-tri-state-as-170k-continue-without-power[/url] DJ-Here in NW Europe we may be seeing an end to the present (super) heatwave-within a week with lots of rain, thunderstorms etc. [url]https://www.estofex.org/[/url] :

A level 1 and level 2 are issued for Spain and SW France for multuiple severe weather risks: mainly excessive convective precipitation towards the N, mainly large hail, severe convective wind gusts and to a lesser degree tornadoes towards the S.

A level 1 is issued for England, Belgium, the rest of France, Switzerland and N Italy mainly for excessive convective precipitation, large hail and severe convective wind gusts.

A level 1 and level 2 are issued for the Netherlands, W and S Germany, Austria, Hungary and parts of the Balkans mainly for excessive convective precipitation and to a lesser degree for large hail.

A level 1 is issued for S Italy mainly for excessive convective precipitation and to a lesser degree for large hail.

DJ-We are in a severe global crisis-most likely worst ever. The only international cooperation is in fighting each other-although there are still signs of hope some "leaders" may avoid the world running out of the rails. 

We have to move forward to a "new normal" that may be better than were we came from. More in balance with the globe we live on and still able to provide all of us with means to survive. But time is running out-the worst food crisis ever is just around the corner-effecting billions of people that will not stay in their countries-suffering from climate change they did not cause. Another [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period[/url] is on its way-and "we"can not stop it. We have to make the best of it.

Music-Up, up and away-a beautifull balloon-5th dimension [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfxqQmWtGNM[/url]


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DJ-Another Peak Prosperity-the XYZ, masks & ivermectin or Do Kids Spread Covid19 (two titles ?) I start reading CM story below the video-and the comments. (DJ-I did work with young children long time ago-I stopped that because of the infections they gave me-I have no doubt kids spread Covid 19-maybe with smaller viral loads-still with a lot of kids-it will spread Covid19.) It makes me wonder what happened to Chris Martenson. Why did he change the story ? [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRwlxZ-BTaY[/url]

-CM starts of with "I do not want to get the virus" but if I do I want the best immunity I can have. He reported earlier of top-fit people-maybe getting a high viral load ?-still falling very ill. DJ-Boosting immunity is good-it does not mean you will get less ill from the virus. The bad thing an overreaction of the immune system may make things worse. Avoiding the virus could be the best strategy...

-statistics CM does see proof T-cell immunity can provide herd immunity with only 10-20% of the population being infected. (Dr. James Todaro MD). T-cell immunity in SARS (1) cases (from 2003) showed the body-after 17 years still "recognized" the SARS1 virus. 

-Sweden CM comes up with [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] statistics. "No new deaths in Sweden" sorry DJ-Sweden seems not to report on a daily basis. (As I already reacted elsewere on this-great-forum. Sweden is in a top position both with cases and deaths per million. If there would be a succes-story-at best it still has to show. Most likely Sweden will see less cases since other countries regard Sweden as high risk-so less tourism=less spread. Sweden reported 5 deaths yesterday-august 11.)

If CM wants to claim "Sweden has no new cases" he is wrong [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/[/url] there may be a reporting issue. If the cases are lower than most of other (European) countries most likely 2 main reasons-school holidays and no tourists. (NOT herd immunity !!!!)

CM comes up with France statistics-cases increase not deaths going up-he is misleading. Looking at NL statistics Covid19 is spreading in a (much) younger population. (Maybe that age group was not tested in spring). Hospitalizations, deaths, infection in other age groups will go up. Germany is reporting a sharp increase in new cases-as most other European countries-often with open borders. 

Again-Sweden may have had no government based NPI-but based on voluntary cooperation of the population-other countries started NPI after cases exploded. The difference between Sweden and most other countries is being exaggerated. Most likely countries with more underlying health issues-like US, UK do see more severe cases. Treatment did improve. But there is no herd immunity with cases being that much out of control. (There still is a testing issue !!!)

-Children CM comes up with a nytimes-article on a South Korean study. Children above 10 spread as adults-younger children spread much less. (DJ-The problem of course is that younger children do behave different. Forget about 6 feet distance. I believe a German-Dorsten (?) study had the conclusion smaller bodies carry less virus.DJ- But with children sitting on your lap, switching dipers etc you will get lots of virus. Even a "normal" mask may not provide enough safety. So-no-reopening schools may be a bad idea !)

-From min 15 (min 18 top ten in masks) on masks can protect you from getting infected yourself. It will reduce the viral load. China did do a study with hamsters. Cages with different kind of masks made a difference in the spread of the virus. (On this forum also a North Carolina US dog died from Covid19. DJ- We may be missing a lot of virus spread in and via animals due to limited/no testing. Maybe China has some studies on spread via animals ignored by the west ? Economic consequences for farming could be major if spread in animals is much more common. Looking at reality economy goes before the people in most countries.)

-In masks #14 the neck gaiter breaks up larger virus parts into smaller ones-may be even worse than no mask at all. (Most likely even dust mask, knitten masks do better). 

-Ivermectin/Doxycycline doing better in Tata-hospital in India than HCQ ? Both India and Bangla Desh report good outcome in early and early developed (hospital) treatments with Ivermectin and Doxycycline. (DJ-"Poor countries"do not have the money to go for new untested high profit "medication". They have to deal with an extreme number of cases and do their best to help those they can reach. In my opinion international cooperation is urgent to get a global programm started to deal with Covid19. Mutations will apear soon if we let it get out of control in Latin America, Africa, South Asia. Cheap and easy to produce treatments go before high profit medications if it would be about care...)

-Min 22 SARS path forward includes boosting immunity, masks, avoid stress etc. getting tested and treatment as soon as possible (DJ-almost sounds like the "old PP/CM") but min 25-conclusions "Sweden a succes, kids spread less etc. simply is incorrect. 

DJ-It was-in itself a good video-eventhough I do not agree with all PP/CM points. The comments below the video-as often other comments elsewere-can be usefull. 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/new-zealand-revives-lockdown-2-months-after-declaring-victory-over-coronavirus-live[/url]

Music [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjAvQ22_05I[/url] Trini Lopez-La Bamba. Trini Lopez died yesterday of Covid19




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DJ-Lots of news; [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaO8TrDh1bQ[/url] Dr.John Campbell on DW. We did see cases grow from 10 to 20 millions in 60 days-still exponential. With 40% mild/a-symptomatic cases and a very limited-in most countries-testing capacity. UK serological studies suggest real number of infection most likely 10 times as much. (DJ-On that bases one may claim CFR same/below flu ?)

Russia vaccine may not have seen proper testing. 

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UJ2PL5ERVo[/url] Covid in children-US study. Dr. John Campbell has a lot of links/info under his video's.  Very alarming-young children <5 y/o may have up to 1000 times the viral load as older children-do spread the virus. Over 300.000 children infected in the US. In hospital cases 1 in 3 get ICU-but very low numbers end up in hospital. 

WAR

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/u-s-deploys-three-b-2-stealth-bombers-to-diego-garcia-china[/url] After earlier sending B52's to Diego Garcia=in preparation for a war with Iran, now the US is sending B1's to that Indian Ocean (UK-or Mauritius ? Did the UK exclude an Island chain from independence and lent it to the US against international law ?) in preparation for war with China. 

Climate

Tropical storm "Josephine"is forming in the Atlantic [url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/023329.shtml?cone#contents[/url] and BP Earthwatch [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb4yrrFWInQ[/url]

We are still in the middle of a heatwave in NW Europe-yesterday did see some havy rain, flooding in Spain, Germany etc. Most likely we may see this kind of extreme weather for the coming week....Also the US seeing extreme weather [url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-forecasts/record-challenging-heat-shows-no-signs-of-letting-up-over-four-corners/793574[/url]

West Antarctica shows increase melt [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRUxTFWWWdY[/url]

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DJ-For what it is worth-a look at statistics [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] In new cases Latin America takes five positions in the top 10. Just over 11 of the 20 million cases are in the America's. With 1/7th of the global population the number of tested cases is "out of balance". 

There is a discussion on how Sweden is doing. From [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden#Demographics[/url] :

The total resident population of Sweden was 10,343,403 in March 2020.[10] The population exceeded 10 million for the first time on Friday 20 January 2017.[252][253] Every fourth (24,9%) resident in the country has immigrant background and every third (32,3%) has at least one parent born abroad.[20]

The average population density is just over 25 people per km² (65 per square mile), with 1 437 persons per km² in localities (continuous settlement with at least 200 inhabitants).[254],[255] 87% of the population live in urban areas, which cover 1.5% of the entire land area.[256] 63% of Swedes are in large urban areas.[256] It is substantially higher in the south than in the north. The capital city Stockholm has a municipal population of about 950,000 (with 1.5 million in the urban area and 2.3 million in the metropolitan area). The second- and third-largest cities are Gothenburg and Malmö. Greater Gothenburg counts just over a million inhabitants and the same goes for the western part of Scania, along the Öresund. The Öresund Region, the Danish-Swedish cross-border region around the Öresund that Malmö is part of, has a population of 4 million. Outside of major cities, areas with notably higher population density include the agricultural part of Östergötland, the western coast, the area around Lake Mälaren and the agricultural area around Uppsala.

I (DJ) think politics often is overestimated.  In my opinion Covid19 is mainly an urban disease of the poor. If you want solutions you may have to change politics. Less population growth and concentration, less poverty, more public healthcare for all. In Europe public healthcare for most is top of the world. But "illegal people", migrant workers are excluded. 

You can not have public healthcare if you exclude large groups of the population. During a pandemic this will mean you can not get a control on the spread. Poverty does not respect borders. 

The number of infected people not getting tested on a global scale is assumed to be maybe 10 times the number of people getting tested. From ill people to poor to pay for testing to a/pre symptomatic cases-this pandemic-by defenition-is "out of control". 

Sweden-as an example-may choose a "liberal approach" no restrictions-result is other countries restrict dealings with Sweden. 

-[url]https://innovationorigins.com/the-corona-chart-the-pandemic-thunders-back-into-europe-at-full-speed/[/url] The writer of this article noticed a link with "route du soleil" (the Sun-route of NW Europe towards the Mediterranean-south of France-Spain) and the spread of Covid19. In official statistics only 10% of new cases has a travel history in NL. Point is-people get infected on day 1, may start spreading the virus maybe even from shortly after infection-with maximum spread often before the first signs around day 5-if there are any symptoms. The statistic 40/45% a-symptomatic spread-even denied till recent by a.o. our CDC/RIVM (they did not think asymptomatic spread happened) may be "optimistic"-it could be maybe even up to 90% or even higher...so totally "of the radar".

DJ-Another discussion is spread via/in children (not even to start the discussion on the spread via animals-from hamsters to dogs, cats, ferrets etc-most likely already on a larger scale around the globe). Offical "children (or animals) do not get infected" so no need to test. One ends up in a spiral with no test=no cases=no need to test. If you do not look there is no problem...

In my post yesterday both Peak Prosperity-on hamsters in China used to test mask efficiency and Dr. John Campbell on infection in young children had lots of info. Young children<5 y/o DO spread the virus both in virus in the body and their bahaviour. 

My conclusion-MUSIC-[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cia_v4vxfE[/url] You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet-Bachman-Turner-Overdrive 1974

Background;

Every pandemic needs a good "feeding ground" to become and stay a pandemic. Overpopulation and poverty do very well. 

So lets go to WAR;

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/war-closer-turkish-drilling-ship-smashes-into-greek-frigate[/url] and [url]https://community.defconwarningsystem.com/threads/greece-says-they-are-ready-for-military-action-if-turkey-sends-research-vessel-into-their-waters.14290/page-2[/url] We may be close to "new wars"in Europe. 

Related is [url]https://southfront.org/new-round-of-israeli-iranian-standoff/[/url] the Lebanon-(everlasting) crisis. (DJ-Lebanon has the bad luck of being a nice country in the wrong spot. US-China tensions-before that Western-Arab frontlines did see this country divided since its independence. By destiny some countries may expect problems, Poland between Germany and Russia sometimes was part of both. One can see Ukraine between Russia and Turkey had/has a problem. In NW Europe "we" BeNeLux (Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg) were in between France, Germany and the UK. Than you also have "created countries" like Panama (once part of Colombia) or Kuwait. Failed States-sort of "zombie-zone" like Somalia, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan are on the rise. George Orwell may be shocked "we"even did manage to create a worse scenario than he did forsee in "1984").

Greece-Egypt-France-Israel-(Greek)Cyprus may unite against Turkey in the Eastern Mediterranean and Libya. No doubt in an escalation war will start in Cyprus and the Greek-Turkish border area (on land and at the Islands) as well. 

[url]https://southfront.org/crisis-in-belarus/[/url], [url]https://southfront.org/ukraine-is-hovering-between-new-war-and-economic-collapse/[/url] An old discussion what is better-a dictator or a failing democracy/failed state ? 

Of course [url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-president-says-turkey-and-us-suffering-from-political-illusions/[/url] Turkey only gets into this many wars if it has support of a "big friend"-the US. From Azerbeijan-against Armenia, Iraq, Syria, Libya and now close to war with Greece. 

DJ-Let me be clear. The US is no longer a "friend of Europe". We-in Europe-do energy deals with Russia, trade deals with China, try to save the Iran-deal. By doing so-we-in Europe-go for a multi-polar globe. (Although lots of European politicians may not see that yet.) "F..k the EU" seems to be a long term US standpoint. 

[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/jordan-to-close-border-with-syria-amid-spike-in-coronavirus-cases/[/url] Wars and pandemics-in history-go hand in hand. 

Climate chaos,

If things are not bad enough, [url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/severe-weather/flash-flood-watches-in-effect-as-strong-storms-set-to-bring-relief-from-heat/793705[/url] in the US, [url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/tropical-depression-11-develops-in-atlantic-could-become-tropical-storm-josephine/793056[/url] already writing history as the earliest "J"-named storm ever in the Atlantic. 

For "us" in NW Europe [url]https://www.estofex.org/[/url]A level 2 was issued across southern England and Wales, northern Belgium, Netherlands, western and central Germany and Alpine region mainly for heavy precipitation and to a lesser extent large hail and severe wind gusts.

A level 2 was issued across north-western Spain mainly for large hail and severe wind gusts.

A level 1 was issued across southern British Isles into France and Germany towards the northern Balkans mainly for heavy precipitation and locally large hail and severe wind gusts.

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DJ-Some backgrounds to "this world in high speed changes"; 

-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/belarus/[/url] In Belarus the political elite was close to denial of the pandemic. (Sweden certainly was not the only country without restrictions-most countries went to impose restrictions after widespread virus outbreaks. The idea of 20% T-cell immunity=herd immunity-now PP claim-is not fact based. Regions like NRW-in Germany did see outbreaks in march-and new outbreaks in june/july-no herd immunity at all !) So "the second wave" in Europe will also make matters (much) worse in Belarus. 

In the Ukraine testing may be even worse than in most other places [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ukraine/[/url] they are still in their first wave. 

According to SouthFront (and some others) Biden as a president in the US could mean the US (and Gulf States-funding IS-also fighting for the Kiev-regime-with among others the neo-nazi Azov-regiment) is willing to pay for more confrontations. Wars are expensive investments. Trump may be less willing to pay for new wars in Eastern Europe. Although he did send US forces from Germany to Poland. 

The present Polish conservative (catholic extremists) government did win the recent elections on a very small margin. One of the risks of "increasing instability"in Belarus, Ukraine (a.o. by paying protesters, NATO weapons for Kiev-forces. Kiev still pushing for ethnic cleansing-"kill the Russians"-genocide) is that the "unrest" will spread more west-into Poland than east into Russia. 

Of course it is "nice"to be against dictators, pro-democracy. But lots of people in former Yugoslavia, in Libya, Iraq remember dictator rule as a "time of safety and stability". Maybe not the best but "the best one could get under the circumstances". (When you look at the history [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria-Hungary[/url] a multi-nation state may often be not very stabile. Lebanon also faces that problem.) Some reports claim Lukashenko did steel 20% of the votes-and yes that is a lot, and it is fraud-but it may also mean a "silent majority" is looking for safety and stability ( just as in the Ukraine. "Rebel-snipers" did shoot at demonstrators-killing (not so) "peacefull" protesters. Western media claimed the police killed tens of people at Maidan-Kiev. Is that in store for Minsk-Belarus ? 

Most likely Putin may be in talks with Lukashenko. Lukashenko did try "to get a balance"recently-better deals with the west-less dependent on Russia. I expect Putin to contact Merkel. Macron-to go for another round of "Minsk-talks" (without the US). 

In Belarus protesters are a very mixed group-anti-fascists and nationalists-with different agenda's (and sponsors). 

In the Ukraine "militia" turn out to be hard to control. Poland also has a lot of "new militia" against Russia. A majority in the Baltic States and Poland may seek stability in the EU (trying to avoid Germany) and a balance between the EU and Russia. 

-Another important background story is "the Nixon legacy" of the US foreign policy. 

Two major developments in the early 70's-US-China started relations and linking the US$ with oil and gas.

 When I think of the early 70's the US (Australia, New Zealand, South Korea) were in the Viet Nam war. The west did support the Sjah in Iran, other (brutal) dictators all over the globe. Often nazi-linked South American regimes (lots of nazi's managed with vatican, KLM, CIA to get to Latin America between 1945-1950. Some nazi's did continu their torture carrier in Franco-Spain, Middle East-often anti Israel). 

The world did change. Land reforms were needed to increase production. Fascist regimes in Europe (Greece, Spain, Portugal) ended in the 70's-most likely translating in the end of fascist dictators in Latin America in the 80's. The (fascist) Sjah was kicked out of Iran in 1979. 

But still "the west" was in control. The "Eastern block" did crumble-unable to show succes of a "collective society" "people-owned-companies" (In GDR-VEB) turned out to be state-run capitalism-not able to compete with the west. The end of the Soviet Union, the German Wall, was not a major surprise. One of the consequences was China "going for another idea". 

Outsourcing labour to "low cost countries" did mean jobs moved from the EU, US to eastern Europe, Turkey, China. Eastern Europe did get included in the EU-Turkey was left out (DJ-an unwise decision in my opinion. Countries like Romania, Bulgaria had an economy in worse shape than Turkey. Corruption in Eastern Europe still is a major problem. EU expansionism is a force on its own. In my opinion we should not have "jumped"to including 10 eastern European countries in the EU and NATO, the Euro ,€ was rushed etc.).

China did see her economy "explode" (by decisions made by the west-and China welcoming new jobs, technology, knowledge. Chinese students showed up at every western university, Chinese tourism-later on-became a major source of income. (Russian tourism still is a major source of income for Turkey). But lots of jobs moved from "west to the east"-leaving millions of people in the west in poverty. 

Globalization still is "in the interest of the few" and one of the reasons for the present pandemic. (With Chinese workers spreading the Coronavirus to Italy among others). Trump would not become a US president without globalization. 

Make America Great Again promised less US endless wars in the Middle East, more jobs in the US. A "counter movement" wanted US "control of the globe"-the US did become the only "super power"after the end of the Soviet Union. (Maybe the democrats do not often realize they stand for uni-polar-US control ?) 

There was a chance for "a new world order" in the 90's. Russia back then was willing to "make a deal" but was confronted with NATO moving east, a motor behind breaking up Yugoslavia. 

The west did support Saddam Hussein-Iraq in his wars against Iran after the Iranian revolution. The west did fund IS, alquaeda etc to get the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan. (Extreme Islam is imported in Afghanistan from the Gulf States and Pakistan). With China becoming-in many ways-the leading economy, the Euro competing with the US$, trade shifting away from the US we now end up in the present-geopolitical crisis. 

Trump did manage to even further strengthen the Russia-Iran-China (RIC)"strategic partnership" by tradewars, not getting out of the Middle East, (blind) "pro-Israel" policies (with Netanyahu having very good relationships with Putin) against Iran etc.

The EU is failing in the balancing act between RIC and the US-finding its own foreign policy, while not willing to "follow the US with eyes closed". 

The present corona-crisis-most hurting "the west" (including India-for now a western ally) may influence the future. The "rise of a new global order" is unstopable-at least in a peacefull way. But should we see RIC as partners or enemies ? Do we want confrontations or cooperations ? 

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DJ-Also testing links (with [url] ?) https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/there-has-been-an-incident-in-the-mediterranean-between-turkey-and-greece , https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/erdogan-says-turkey-responded-attack-gas-exploration-ship-contested-waters

DJ-France did send aircraft to (Greek) Cyprus, a navy ship for drills with the Greek navy. Greek FM visits Israel tomorrow. https://www.debka.com/mivzak/why-did-netanyahu-suddenly-leave-the-covid-19-cabinet-session/ 

Also Greece did invite Egypt for drills in the eastern Mediterranean. 

(DJ-I can not get to Defcon-forum-they sometimes have more info...could be "something more major" happened. (Turkish submarine torpedoed Greek navy vessel ?) we soon could find out...) I hope the links do work...https://community.defconwarningsystem.com/threads/greece-says-they-are-ready-for-military-action-if-turkey-sends-research-vessel-into-their-waters.14290/page-2 


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Usk-thanks for the feedback-maybe moderators can find out what is the link-problem ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-qehoi4BUA and [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-qehoi4BUA[/url] hope one of those work....anyway Peak Prosperity-starts with a Mark Twain quote; if you do not read the newspapers you are uninformed-if you do read the newspapers you are misinformed....things did not change that much since the middle of the 19th century. (By the way-I tried both links-both work at my laptop-I understand it is browser related ?)

-PP has a very good point-communications. The press is acting like they are braindead. Why do they accept the CDC etc switching from one story to another story just like that ? DJ-I take masks serious because (a.o.) PP presentation-they filmed spread of virusparticles-looked plausible...(and of course during 1918 most people (and pets) had masks..)-not because some "expert" tells me to take him/her serious. (You have to earn respect !)

- Vaccines do have safety issues-asking is it safe is not crazy-is just common sense. Vaccines need to be properly tested before they are used on the major public. DJ-Other questions; how much vaccines will be needed, how much and for how long do they provide safety, what are the side-effects, do they interact with other vaccines/medication ?, Is there difference in age groups-does a(ny) vaccine work out the same in a 10 year old girl and a 100 year old man ? Does the vaccine protect the most vulnarable-or the most healthy ?)

-PP reminds the SARS-2003 vaccine was worse than the illness itself. (DJ-There are other stories/studies (?) of people getting very ill due to a mix of vaccines. My view of healthcare, science, politics=all people-find it hard to self reflect, admit they made a mistake. When you look at how Covid19 did get out of control-this story is so full of mistakes, stupidity etc. I do think people being very skeptic is more wise than when people-still-would believe all the "experts" claim. The WHO/CDC etc made a total disaster so far of how they did deal with Covid19-no way I am trusting them now "for free" !)

-Prevention should be #1-topic, vitamin D, enough sleep, avoid stress etc. a healthy lifestyle-it will not prevent infections but may improve chances of better recovery. "News" now creating fear with half-facts, running behind "experts" with eyes closed...DJ-Often the truth is "we do not (yet) know"-may be satisfaction but will be honest...even experts do not have to have all the answers all the time...

-Aspirin has more side effects than (H)CQ-you will not find that in (most) MSM-what is wrong at looking at the history of things ? DJ-A lot of MSM seem to live in a 1 dimension-world-here-and-now. They may have said something completely different just yesterday-but that is "old news"....how do you think you can get any credit if you are not willing to take responsability for what you report ?

-From min 28-part 2

-Asymptomatic does not mean "no risks"! (PP/CM than continues with a symptomatic story...OK) A 67 y/o woman did have severe complaints in early march-tested negative twice-first positive test was end of march-last positive PCR test was in june-still loss of ("fitting") smell- she smells a fire that is not there...

DJ-Testing is far from perfect, by taking a nose/throat-swap one may miss the spot with the virus. PP/CM I think is correct most healthcare is good in dealing with acute healthissues-far less with chronic problems. 

-Conclusions; press is not holding "experts"accountable for the mistakes they make, not asking the right questions(Like what people can do as a prevention-vitamin D etc). At the end PP/CM mentions his XYZ theory, "herd immunity" illusion-one may hope for that-with cases exploding in Europe herd immunity simply is not there...(for the rest a good video !)

DJ-When you look at corona-virusses recombination happens quite often. Most of these virusses are not in humans-but may jump species. I do not rule out a lab-accident in Covid19 but "recombination" may be more logical. 


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DJ-Dr. John Campbell with two good video's; lots of info under the video's

1-International update as schools return [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXctsOmYY8k[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXctsOmYY8k ;

-New Zealand-import of Covid19 via frozen food ? Coronavirusses can survive-reactivate after two years in -20C deep freeze. DJ-China did report at least two times they imported Covid via frozen food. Meat (DJ-and fish, frozen vegetables ?) production is high-risk for Covid19 by working conditions. Can it be we are creating a reservoir of virus that will show up after being defrozen ? 

(DJ-Maybe a possibilty in [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1889%E2%80%931890_flu_pandemic#Identification_of_virus_subtype_responsible[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1889%E2%80%931890_flu_pandemic#Identification_of_virus_subtype_responsible was the 1889 "flu" a corona-virus ? Are there bodies burried in permafrost in Russia that can get tested ?  Maybe even further-is the present Covid19 similar to what is described of the 1889 "flu"? Could it be a deep frozen body did get defrozen-eaten by an animal end ending up infecting humans in 2019 ?)

Another NZ issue-most (60%+) staff at (air)ports did not get tested for Covid-this will change due to better rules. 

-Russia going to vaccinate people against Covid19 end of august with "Sputnik-V"vaccine. Dr.J.C. the western protocol of testing has not been followed-but if they do monitor and report on it in a good way maybe it could be acceptable...DJ-Since a lot of countries are looking for a working vaccine Russia only can mass export this product if it has some value. If it turns out to be a risk or not very effective it will backfire. 

-US schools did see at least 4 clusters of cases so far. (DJ-Earlier Dr.J.C. reported (also very young) children can spread the virus-just as other studies did find out...it is bizar we are not doing much with this knowledge). DJ-"Reported tested new US cases" going down-with in the US about everything getting "political" and worldwide testing still problematic I put a ? with statistics. 

-UK Number of Covid19 deaths dropped by 5000 because deaths did not test positive within 28 days before dying...

-In Scotland, France (DJ-Germany, NL etc) schools are reopening. Dr.J.C. hopes good monitoring, expects some clusters...and let us hope nothing worse...Spread allover Europe most in younger people. Covid in some countries more widespread-so reopening schools a bigger risk if the number of people infected in that area is high.

-When you compare the 1918 Spanish Flu with 2020 Covid pandemic; 1918 did show 3 peaks, young children and young adults died in much higher numbers. Covid19-so far-has most deaths in 60+ age group. (DJ-There is a limited use in comparing a flu-pandemic with a Covid pandemic. Again-are ther numbers of the 1889 pandemic to compare with ? Was that pandemic-in statistics- flu or Covid like ? Another idea-if you compare flu, covid statistics with people who die in traffic accidents-can that be of use ? (Age groups in traffic deaths may be similar to flu deaths. Mobility=spread, so less mobility=less spread=less deaths ?)

2-Oestrogen and Covid19 severity in women [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DiF7zYMbnQ[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DiF7zYMbnQ

-Oestrogen may provide better protection against all kind of infection. Has been found also in SARS-1 and MERS, also in animals. (DJ-Women are much more vulnarable for auto-immune diseases 80/20% distribution) 

-The contraceptive pill may provide extra safety/protection ? Or Hormone replacement therapy for women in menopause ? (DJ-Can some Oestrogen qualities be used in preventative treatment to limit risks/damage ?)

-WAR [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/us-seizes-four-iranian-tankers-for-violating-sanctions[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/us-seizes-four-iranian-tankers-for-violating-sanctions 

DJ-The US did hijack 4 ships on their way from Iran to Venezuela because the US does not want to stck to the Iran-deal...criminal !

See also [url]https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/08/13/631755/US-Iran-fuel-gasoline-Venezuela-[/url] / https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/08/13/631755/US-Iran-fuel-gasoline-Venezuela-

DJ-In reaction most likely US ships could be "detained" by countries willing to do bussiness with Iran, Venezuela...

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-In another item I discuss the possibility of the 1889-95 Russian Flu being linked to a (OC43) corona virus. Finding out more on this should be top priority. How much danger do corona virusses pose ? Under what conditions ? What can we learn from history-did we have the luck of seeing little Covids in the 20th century-are COrona VIrus Diseases much more "normal" before 1900 ? Can we expect more COViD's ? And when ? Risk of other illnesses (like TB or HIV) getting "mixed" or out of control ? 

When you look at global population [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimates_of_historical_world_population[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimates_of_historical_world_population during the 1889-95 pandemic globalpopulation was 1,5 billion-agriculture was the norm. In 2020 we are close to 8 billion people-most in cities-often with more population most countries had at the end of the 19th century.. Climate collapse needs answers as well. (DJ-And answers for Covid and Climate may coincide-much less mobility, cleaner air, birth control, less meat production (meat is 1-enviroment unfriendly, 2-spreading virusses, 3-adding to obesity, 4-waist of food-production capacity; 1kg meat not only is between 3 (poultry) and 7 kilo (beef) grain but also taking liters of water)

-Here in the NL the 31st mink farm (out of the 128) has been infected. The Dutch government still shows no real action. Spread via (living) animals can not only be a Dutch issue. Some reports from Denmatk, Spain, the US and China only has to be the tip of the iceberg. Most likely a spread via pets would be the most risky-both cats and dogs have been found infected (and some died of Covid19). So far there is no clear indication pets infect humans-most likely-so far-humans seem to infect pets. But the wider the spread the greater the risk...

-Spread via dead animals, food [url]https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2020/08/articles/miscellaneous/foodborne-covid-19-fear/[/url] or https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2020/08/articles/miscellaneous/foodborne-covid-19-fear/ should be the third priority. After China now New Zealand claims frozen food products did spread the virus. Did we "freeze" a virus time bomb ? Will unfrozen food-even after (up to two ?) years start a new outbreak ? Of course step 1 is not to freeze the virus, step 2 is check the frozen food products...

-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Even far from perfect the statistics indicate Covid19 is not under control. Is-in basic-herd immunity the only archivable goal ? Most likely the only realistic scenario must be damage control, keep health care and the economy "a live". Try to avoid the collapse of one of them. You need a basic economy to have a basic healthcare-ond the other way round. 

Of course Russia's planned mass vacination with a "limited tested"vaccine would be unacceptable in normal times. But this is a global crisis and maybe "we"in the west still underestimate the urgency. 

-WAR-I will not post links (if they do not function). There are less then 140 days left before 2021. US elections may "trigger" actions. We have been lucky so far that we-so far-did not see a major war. 

-Climate chaos-in basic is out of control. Here in the NL we did have an extreme heatwave-cooling down now. (The Dutch weather service-topclass-is shocked by the temperaturs. [url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/08/13/record-shattered-hottest-week-dutch-history[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/08/13/record-shattered-hottest-week-dutch-history )We may face another one in september according to some 30 day models. September used to be autumn here, we once had snow in winter...I (DJ) expected 40C somewere in NL-like in 2019-we did not get that hot. 

The ice conditions at the poles, mountain tops is a disaster. That ice keeps global temperatures liveable-somehow most people do not seem to care. We may already be in the exponential phase-withg very few options lft and damage on its way we may not be able to imagine...

DJ-As always I only can hope I'm wrong-but we are sitting in a global airplane with all the alarms flashing and screaming-the pilot claims "no problem" .... 

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How do I see the situation now; the virus needs transport-people did provide the pandemic mobility-that should have been stopped. (Still doubts-are "we" that stupid or is there an evil plan ? Proberbly the idea of herd-immunity is a mix of both. Sacreficing "the unfit" for the economy-but it is a wrong idea.)

With a younger age group now getting infected-than was tested during february-may-some possibilities; 

1-The younger age group also did have infections during february-may but was missed, then most older people got tested after showing symptoms-younger population more "mild cases"? Not very likely-proberbly the younger age group did see much less cases.

2-The virus has spread around the globe much further since february-may. "Third world" countries do have a much younger population. Covid19 adjusted to younger "hosts"-since there is only one world and with much travel the virus will infect a wider age group. Seems to me a realistic idea. 

3-A younger age group getting infected is a sign Covid19 is on its way to become "a milder "cold" virus-like most other corona-virus infections developed ? I hope so-but proberbly much to early to tell. History shows pandemics often comes in waves. For Europe we may be in a second wave-global we are still in the first wave. I expect the virus still will do a lot of harm-will do so in a much wider age group. 

4-Since lockdowns etc. do so much damage-let the virus run free-lesser of two evils ? No-you need a functioning healthcare. The option of "travel freeze" should have been used much earlier. By making half choices both costs and the pandemic did get out of control. 

There still is no plan on a national-forget about international-level to realisticly deal with this pandemic. It seems to be all about "the economy". Just like climate change-politics seem to be blind for information not fitting in their views. Ignoring icebergs will certainly sink the global Titanic....

-Some other points. 

-This CoViD was not the first corona pandemic. The 1889-95 "Russian Flu" most likely was a CoViD-pandemic. There must be more info on earlier outbreaks. Both age and gender distribution differ between CoViD and Flu-outbreaks. With virology only making breaktrough discoveries just 90 years ago a lot of earlier wide scale health crises deserve a closer look. 

-Covid19 in animals is most likely quite widespread allthough a lot of indications-so far-for human-animal transfer. Virus-spread-risk via frozen food most likely minimal (not 0% but 0,5% or so ?)

-Corona-virusses may have caused more healthissues than "just colds" in more recent decades. Is Chronic Fatigue Syndrome one of them ? Health issues have a lot in common with "long haulers"after a Covid19 infection. (Here in NL over 40.000 people have ME/CFS, but also thousends suffer from chronic Q-fever, Lyme-disease, FibroMyalgia etc.with some of these less understood healthissues 80% of the patients are women. Indicating auto-immune response. Did a corona-virus derail the immune response ? )

-We need to take healthcare much more seriously. This Covid19-pandemic comes on top of the HIV/AIDS pandemic still going on. With TB, Malaria still on the rise, "old diseases" (measles etc.) still a major problem and "new" diseases very likely to show up soon public health should be a global priority. 

-Looking at statistics [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] ; Russia is slowly moving towards the 1 million positive tested Covid-19 tested cases. Colombia, Peru and Mexico are moving full speed-with each around 10.000 new daily cases. The America's have around 11,7 million of the 21,6 million cases-why ? (More testing than in Asia ? The America's have 1 billion people, Asia has 4 billion-numbers remain unbalanced). 

Most likely Covid19 is an urban disease most spread in the poor. Maybe that is why it is not a priority for some ? 

WAR

A few articles on Belarus; [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/belarus-this-color-revolution-is-dead-the-union-state-has-killed-it.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/belarus-this-color-revolution-is-dead-the-union-state-has-killed-it.html 

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/russian-ground-forces-preparing-to-enter-belarus-if-lukashenko-can-t-restore-order[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/russian-ground-forces-preparing-to-enter-belarus-if-lukashenko-can-t-restore-order

and 

[url]https://southfront.org/video-shows-moment-of-death-of-protester-in-minsk-during-august-10-riots/[/url] or https://southfront.org/video-shows-moment-of-death-of-protester-in-minsk-during-august-10-riots/ 

DJ-NATO keeps moving East. Lukashenko is a dictator. Riotpolice in action is not "friendly" in any country. "Peacefull demonstrators" throwing all kind of stuff at the police are not "peacefull". Western media mostly still seem "embedded".  

"The Belarus development" will be seen in most non-western countries as another western coup attempt. 

[url]https://southfront.org/hezbollah-will-not-remain-silent-if-israeli-involvement-in-beirut-blast-confirmed/[/url] or https://southfront.org/hezbollah-will-not-remain-silent-if-israeli-involvement-in-beirut-blast-confirmed/

The US/Israeli attack on Beirut-port (most likely scenario) was another western power grap. "The west" is moving from a "cold war" towards a "hot war" against Russia-Iran-China (RIC). But the "west" is very divided and with different agenda's. 

-The US would like to save the US-petro-$, the "only superpowerstatus"-both goals are already impossible

-The EU may be (by accident ?) trying to balance between RIC and the US. Talking with the US acting in all kind of deals with RIC. 

-Countries like Turkey, Israel going for their own goals-balancing between east and west. Maybe this also goes for India. By this balancing there are lots of major risks. Both the East and the West would like to get more grip on the "countries in between". 

-Civilization, human rights etc are "nice words". With thousends of migrants dying on their way to the US and tens of thousends drowning in the Mediterranean on their way to the EU (or UK), rich countries the main reason for global poverty "there are no good guys". 

DJ-On an individual level how to deal with this timeframe ? You can care-but only when you can step back and also relax and look, enjoy, other issues. Like music [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDPMmaHWj1I[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDPMmaHWj1I  On top of the world-Carpenters (OK - I admit this is a big step....)

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The world at this moment is balancing between "keep the econmy"going and "fight Covid19". Governments going into debt to provide funds to limit economic damage and get extra money for healthcare. 

In the race to find a vaccine Russia did take a lead (with a vaccine based on a [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenovirus_infection[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenovirus_infection but with enough Covid19 "data" to create an immune response). As discussed earlier and elsewere-there are a lot of problems with vaccines against corona-virusses. The immunity effect may not be very long lasting, risks of vaccination may (for a "normal cold" ) be greater than the benefit. To be effective against a pandemic you need large scale production and vaccination. 

Russia will start with vaccination of health care workers. One can only hope the vaccine does provide some safety-results will be clear before the end of the year. A lot of countries did show interest-but also want to see results. 

The major competitor for Russia is China. They may feel pushed to "increase speed"-at the cost of safety. India, Europe, US most likely will monitor the outcome of the Russian "experience". 

Looking at the 1889-95 (with some flare ups in the years after-till 1900) Covid-"flu" Covid19 will-step by step-develop into a less harmfull cold virus. (With on the other side-if corona virussses can cause so much damage in Covid19-we maybe have to be more serious on corona-virusses-they may do more damage than "just a cold"). 

-Diving into history [url]https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/116859/coronavirus-possibly-caused-million-deaths-in-1890-says-marc-van-ranst/[/url] or https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/116859/coronavirus-possibly-caused-million-deaths-in-1890-says-marc-van-ranst/ looking at statistics some reports claim a lot of children died during that "flu". This does not mean however the died from the flu. 

The "background" certainly for the first half of the 19th century (with in the 1830-48 period FOUR major flu-epidemics [url]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0277953685900425[/url] or https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0277953685900425 see also [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_influenza[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_influenza) is a very major part of the story. 

Working conditions for most people were "far from good". Slaves had a hard time in the US, in Brazil it was even worse-they were seen as a 3-5 year "investment"-not expected to live much longer. Since "non christians" could not be "humans" in the view of that era also in the "colonies" working conditions for most were not better than slavery. 

Serfdom was widespread in the 19th century-farmworkers were part of the land-with no freedom. The landowner often could decide even on life or death, In Russia that ended in 1908-in paper. End of slavery often meant serfdom based on one-sided contracts. 

In the UK some reports of people working during the industrial revolution give aa average life expectency for workers as bad as 17 years-they had hardly time to get children themselves. Reports from Belgium, France, etc do not give a much better picture. 

Workingweeks could go from 60 to 100 hours a week, childlabour was the rule. Housingconditions were unimaginable bad. Living on the country though-for most-was not much better. The "enclosure system" in Ireland-in wich English "gentry" claimed they owned the land (and the army was there to enforce that claim) the Irish people had to make room for sheep because it had more profit. Such "economy" was widespread-and a motor for migration towards the US, Brazil etc. Australia was seen as an "open UK prison" for the poor. 

Democracy, human rights etc. are the results of struggle & strikes-not of any "morality"of a rich elite that believed a "god"had put them in their over privilaged position. 

Describing the bad "background" in most of the world during the 19th century is describing-more or less-conditions in countries we keep poor at present. 

Till 1900 statistics show an average life expectency of 40 years-that may have been the limit for most of history-between 30 and 40 years of an-often-miserable life for most. The 20th century did change all that-in many ways-for most-life never has been this good-causing a population explosion. 

For pandemics/epidemics in history information is complicated-at best. If corona or the flu, or any other disease, there were many-was a mass killer one can look at who did get ill. Often only the poor did get ill means spread via a common water source-not used by an elite, etc. 

Of course with the end of the Soviet Union in 1991 a "new capatalistic era" did start-most likely this pandemic should be seen as part of that. Why go for public healthcare if that has to be tax-funded ? 

-Dr.John Campbell; [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVMdpBiHvCA[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVMdpBiHvCA New Zealand is one-Auckland-cluster-may be cotained. Ireland, Malta-as islands-doing worse. 

Reopening schools will increase number of cases. US will show that-schools started earlier there than in most countries. (DJ Here in NL in the north of the country schools will start today. Some schoold have decided to make mask mandatory. Since our national government decided to do nothing-schools, mayors etc seem to make a policy.) US positive test results going down (DJ-Since everything in the US is "politics"-less cases fits trumps agenda-but less cases also has to translate in economy going up.)

In the US CDC reports 7,3% of Covid cases in 0-17 y/o age group-wich is 22% of US population-but since "children do not get ill-limited testing".

-DJ-Another two mink farms in NL been infected-brings 31 of 128-government still waiting for "expert advise" etc. (By the time an "advise' comes in most likely already over 50% of Dutch mink farms may be infected. ([url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/08/17/schools-reopen-noord-nederland-extra-hygiene-measures-social-distancing[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/08/17/schools-reopen-noord-nederland-extra-hygiene-measures-social-distancing just to show I am not making this absurdity up myself...)

The "good old days"were horror for most ! [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3KEhWTnWvE[/url] Those were the days-Mary Hopkin 1968

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Originally posted by Dutch Josh Dutch Josh wrote:

Democracy, human rights etc. are the results of struggle & strikes-not of any "morality"of a rich elite that believed a "god"had put them in their over privilaged position.

While I can agree with the broad strokes of this, at least in the UK there was one group of believers in God who had a great effect on innovating improvements to workers conditions.  You need to read up on the effect of Quaker businesses and English household names like LLyod, Barclay, Huntley & Palmer, Cadbury, Fry, Rowntree and Crossfield.   But they were a religious minority and so did not reflect the general public.  


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EdwinSm-do not get me wrong. I-personal-am a-gnostic. When you look at the history of christianity it was revolutionary in Roman times. At that time "bad luck" was your problem-you had a problem with "the (Roman-Greek etc.) "gods". Christianity did-in those days-teach to care for eachother. You have a responsability towards fellow creatures. In a way public health care has a christian basis. 

When Karl Marx stated "religion is opium for/of the people" [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_of_the_people[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_of_the_people  according to some he was quoting a priest. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy as a "christian-anarchist" was pushing for morality-to not treat "the poor" worse than animals. 

In that sense religion, charity, still is important as a moral standpoint in responsability of states towards their citizens. 

The other side of "religion" is that it provided a basis for taxation (in many forms-from state- to church tax for charity). But also was used as an excuse for a status quo. The "eite" claiming to have a right to "own everything" was (or is ?) "god given". Being poor, getting ill was (is ?) a "punishment" from the gods/god. Still some religion claim praying is better than to seek medical care. 

In these ways religion can be seen as cornerstones for how we see, are able to act, our responsabilities in care.

-Dr. John Campbell on Covid19 in Africa. Looking at serological data the virus is widespread (between 5 and 10%) in countries like Kenya, Malawi. But both numbers of people getting ill, deaths look like just 1% (or less) of statistics in the rest of the world. 

A younger age group getting infected-Africa has a much younger population-resulting in asymptomatic infections or mild cases-often-could be part of an explanation.  

In the report I did link to in my earlier post today-Dr.J.C. has a problem with falling numbers in South Africa. Nobody was willing to comment on that when contacted by Dr.J.C.-some emails give the impression of "a gap" between official numbers and reality. 

DJ-When it looks to good to be true it often is to good to be true. One reason can be spread of the virus still is in the early stages-people will get ill and die within a few weeks. The timing may give a false impression. Another reason is "of the radar-spread"-no testing of the ill or death=giving a false statistic. 

It would be nice if the numbers in Africa would be so much better than the rest of the world-vitamin D, some form of immunity, I do not think that is very realistic. Maybe South Africa may be representing Africa-politics need to cover up reality or face protests. 

WAR

-After NApoleon, NAzi's now NAto trying to move east. So far the plan to fill the gap between the Baltic states (nato/EU members) and Ukraine (planned to become EU/nato member but for political reasons so far not accepted) by "popular protests" in Belarus did not work out. Lukashenko is a dictator and did fraud his re-election. But most likely he did get over 50% of popular support-the fraud only damaged him. 

The last few years Lukashenko moved away from Putin/Russia. Some of the opposition is now living as refugees in Russia. "The west" did organize their own "opposition" in Poland, Baltic states and Ukraine-in an anti Russia campain. But just like in Venezuela, Syria, Hong Kong hijacking real protests is not helping the real protest groups in these countries. 

Putin wants a "union" with Belarus (under Russian terms). For the moment Lukashenko may be "usefull" but most likely Putin will send Lukashenko into "retirement" within a year. Maduro in Venezuela, Assad in Syria (in part by orthodox Syrian Christians !!!) do have enough public support in their countries-did limit their corruption and mistakes to be of use for Russia. 

Maybe some neo-nazi groups-already fighting with nato-support in the Ukraine will start as "moderate rebels", maybe even IS-also a US/nato creation-also active in Ukraine-can get western support in "their fight for democracy" in Belarus. For the people of Belarus one can only hope they will not see yet another "civil war" started by the west. 

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DJ-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Monday august 17-new cases <200.000, deaths < 5000 most likely due to less testing in the weekend.

-Schools reopen-in several cases to see an increase in cases and then close again-in a lot of countries. Still the idea of less virus spread in younger people is widespread but not science based, wishfull thinking. Should we not be further by now ? 

-[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic_Severity_Assessment_Framework[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic_Severity_Assessment_Framework for Covid19 the "score" is the same as the 1918 Spanish Flu. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic_Severity_Assessment_Framework#COVID-19_pandemic_severity[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic_Severity_Assessment_Framework#COVID-19_pandemic_severity

DJ-Comparing 1918 with 2020 pandemic is not that usefull. In 1918 the capacity to deal with major problems on a local level was much better. Less people with an agriculture society comparing to 2020 overcrowded urban society and a very complex economy.

The complexity of the modern society is a problem in itself. We "build" a society that now is at risk-reconstruction of such a complex network is a very major job in itself. 

-The D614G variation of Covid 19-deadly in Europe, Eastern US now in SE Asia [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/covid-19-mutation-thats-10-times-more-infectious-original-discovered-malaysia[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/covid-19-mutation-thats-10-times-more-infectious-original-discovered-malaysia DJ-RNA virusses are likely to mutate more then DNA virusses-certainly corona virusses-most of them in (other) animals do show lots of mutations. With that knowledge in history corona virusses must have been behind lots of pandemics described as "influence/influenza"-we underestimated the risks. 

-Some countries/states reverse their vision on HCQ, China pushing for vaccines, parties for a new schoolyear etc. DJ-Should a Covid19 vaccine be mandatory ? I think people should have a choice-self isolation or a vaccine. I hope there will be a safe and effective vaccine but I hesitate to be among the first ones to take one. I could be willing to volunteer in testing but it has to be my choice. The other side of this discussion of course is when I did get ill I hope doctors do all they can to cure me. There seems to be progress in rapid testing. 

Also on "apps" can people be forced to have/use one ? And when, were ? (I do not think there is a need to have a working app when people are at their homes-their own privacy should be a red line. If you-as a government-want to check if people gather at certain homes there often are already legal ways to check for that. (To deal with gambling, dealing, prostitution etc.)-to have people accepting an app it should not invade privacy more then needed.)

-Dr. John Campbell has new video's worth watching; [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSVLeEtjP-4[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSVLeEtjP-4 Why should children not spread Covid19 while they do spread all other virusses....???? (The stupidity is shocking !)

[url]https://innovationorigins.com/corona-in-europe-will-autumn-be-as-disastrous-as-spring/[/url] or https://innovationorigins.com/corona-in-europe-will-autumn-be-as-disastrous-as-spring/ DJ-Most likely it will be worse. In spring we had limited introduction of the virus, this autumn the virus will be everywere...

[url]https://www.history.com/topics/inventions/flu[/url] or https://www.history.com/topics/inventions/flu How often "influenza" turned out to be based on a corona-virus ? (DJ-It looks like the idea itself is "new" for science-we still have to learn that much.) 

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Africa[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Africa 

DJ-A few countries do show statistics that we do see elsewere. I do not believe Africa will be an exception-we may not have enough testing.

Other news;

-My thermometer only goes to 120F/50C so 130F/55C goes beyond many household thermometers-still Death Valley came close to that. Here in NW Europe-like in many other places-we still have a heatwave. I am happy temperatures now cooling down-in some area's extreme thunderstorms, rain etc. 

-The ex-tropical storm "Kyle" may mix with a depression south of Greenland and get close to Ireland and the UK end of this week. Two other systems on the Atlantic [url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 may become "Laura" and "Marco". 

WAR

-Tensions do not decrease. Iran claims the US seized 4 tankers on their way to Venezuela-in international waters-that are not Iranian ships. (Proberbly expecting the owners of the tankers to take legal steps against the US. Most likely it is against all kind of international rules to "seize ships" in international waters making a claim those ships may be on their way to a country that you (the US) do not like.)

China-US relation are close to breaking point. In Syria both the Syrian Arab Army and Arab tribes stop US forces from their illegal actions. Also in Iraq increased pressure against US forces. DJ-The excuse the US used to be in these countries was "to fight IS" but it is proven the CIA (a.o.) did help IS and other salafist jihadi terrorists. The Kurds-in the SDF-are now both at war with Turkey and Arab tribes-since the SDF-Kurdish-forces occupied Arab land and sell Arab oil to the US. 

In the mean time Covid19 cases still are exploding-also in this region. 

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Peak Prosperity [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7TWiweluwA[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7TWiweluwA ;

-Covid19/SARS-2 as a coronavirus may not be that new. Several studies indicate between 20-50% T-cell immunity (DJ-B-cell gives antibodies-may be easier to detect). 

-A corona-cold could provide "herd-immunity" and would explain countries having a peak and then number of cases falling. (DJ-PP comes up with some European statistics before cases go up again there, South Africa-Dr. John Campbell did get e-mails on false statistics, Florida-even PP/CM mentions most likely due to less testing. DJ-I would love it when a cold would give us protection-but it did not offer us protection in the spring. Do the over 21 million positive tested cases not have had a corona-cold ? Also Sweden-as PP/CM already says-may not be that much different from other countries. You may have stricter rules nobody follows-looking at "reality in paper" may give false impressions. The differences between Sweden, NL, UK in how rules worked out is not that big.)

-People are and act not the same-some are very social will have had either been infected or immunity, others are not very active socialwise and do not come in contact with the virus that fast. In a theory-model 40% of immunity would provide safety...immunization of the most vulnarable and some NPI/social distancing would be able to get Covid19 under control-very strict NPI/lockdown would see the virus come back after lock down (DJ-Like in China ??? Even if you do not believe all China is telling, their economy shows revival. They had a very strict lock down-more strict than in Europe or US-and seem to have the virus under control. Europe/US do not have the virus under control...!)

-PP/CM goes on on his XYZ-"theory", "children having natural immunity" (DJ-NO-CHILDREN DO NOT HAVE IMMUNITY !!!! CDC Study other European, China studies-PP/CM not only ignoring recent European statistics but also basic science on immunity in children....  )

-The official US/CDC strategy against Covid19 is to send symptomatic Covid19 patients in the early-mild-stages home "to eat chicken soup". In 2005 Dr. Fauci was one of the doctors staing HCQ did help in SARS-1. Why the US/"west" now making such a problem over HCQ ? Another French study HCQ is very helpfull in the early stages...(for most countries Remdesivir is way to expensive-another problem Remdesivir has little effect-in early stages HCQ with zinc does show it works...)

-PP/CM wonders why Fauci/FDA and embedded press find any study proving HCQ works in early stages "disputed". DJ-In a healthcare-for-profit system profit goes for healthcare. (DJ-It would also explain why the America's have more than 50% of the cases with less then 15% of the global population-if you test positive for the virus you also test positive for profit. Making money out of the sick did become another crime story. The US is killing thousends of people by refusing them HCQ in the early stage to promote Remdesivir that is a 1000 times more expensive...it is an insane way of making money...)

-"You do not need a brain to follew the herd, just legs"-[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didier_Raoult[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didier_Raoult  (DJ-Of course in the embedded press described as "populist doctor" promoting "disputed HCQ") 

DJ-The embedded mass media is telling you HCQ is "dangerous" after 70 years of use without complications. That embedded press is also promoting NATO support for "opposition" and "democracy" -this time not in Hong Kong, Venezuela, Iraq, Syria or Ukraine but Belarus. Ignoring the chaos "we"did bring to hundreds of millions of poor people. 

In the climate change discussion the "embedded propaganda channels "like ny-times, cnn etc. usually come up with "in 2100" and "sea levelrise"-not with exponential rising-exploding-Global Average Surface Temperatures (GAST). 

Mass media is there to keep you stupid-"infotainment"-I do like PP/CM because it goes against the main stream. (And may be kicked of You Tube, Facebook etc. soon.) Democracy only works when you can say something that goes against the "leading opinion". And for that matter "democracy is as good as dead"-I am sorry to see. 

Internet seems to promote a single-"all is well"view-even more than the "old media". The "Brave New World" is digital...

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Usk- do the links work for you ? Or still blocked-both with [url] and without ?

DJ-

I think the idea of "herd immunity"on basis of T-cells, due to earlier infection with cold-coronavirusses, may be a bit optimistic. At best hopefull. 

With [url]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-diabetes-children/study-links-covid-19-to-rise-in-childhood-type-1-diabetes-idUSKCN25E0W0[/url] or https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-diabetes-children/study-links-covid-19-to-rise-in-childhood-type-1-diabetes-idUSKCN25E0W0 findings from the UK, Italy, China-most likely in many countries-but not recognized or linked one may suspect "mild infections" to be harmfull as well. 

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/08/18/sharp-increase-covid-19-infections-children-since-june-30[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/08/18/sharp-increase-covid-19-infections-children-since-june-30 ;

On August 18, 200 children between the ages of 5 and 9 had been infected with coronavirus since early May, a figure which was at 87 on June 30. Among babies and toddlers aged 0 to 4, total infections increased by 62.5 percent, from 80 to 130. While the number of infections was lowest among the youngest group, they were also hospitalized due to the virus most often. From May 4 through the end of June, seven were hospitalized with a Covid-19 infection. In the six weeks that followed, three more children in this age group were in the hospital.

DJ-In my opinion these  (NL) numbers are shocking. 

-Yesterday Dr. John Campbell was worried about Covid-19 numbers going up and autumn, september/flu season coming. 

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5Z6wdu1eI0[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5Z6wdu1eI0 today some good news ?

-Where did the New Zealand new spread of Covid19 come from is still open-many things ruled out.

-T-cell immunity may be long lasting-also in mild/asymptomatic cases ? In some urban area's antibody immunity is slowing down further spread.

Background;

DJ-[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/business-owner-puts-county-on-notice-over-coronavirus-restrictions-revolution-brewing-peaceful-for-now-but-not-much-longer[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/business-owner-puts-county-on-notice-over-coronavirus-restrictions-revolution-brewing-peaceful-for-now-but-not-much-longer

and 

[url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/08/rage-against-machine-jobless-bankrupt.html[/url] or http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/08/rage-against-machine-jobless-bankrupt.html

Support for NPI/non pharma steps to control Covid 19 is dropping. From apps-not being trusted, lack of will for masks, to not trusting vaccination/information. This may become a major problem.

If the virus does spread, severe cases do increase, we may be empty handed in our defenses. 

DJ-Good communication was essential but is "poor" at best in most places. I am NOT optimistic. We may be making bad choices-giving worst possible outcomes. 

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DJ,

-There is a relation between humidity and infection. The dryer the air to longer a virus/aerosol can remain in the air. So dryer air=more viral spread. Dr. John Campbell explains ; [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdUPYyiGu-E[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdUPYyiGu-E

Heating, air conditioning dries out the air so the virus can spread better (does not pick up moisture) inside the building/house/school/office etc. The China/Australia study did find humidity -1% =increase of cases of 7 to 8%. 

On a surface a virus may survive longer at cooler temperatures-in air temperatures are not making the difference, humidity is.

In the UK-outside-humidity goes up a little during winter-outdoor. But because it gets colder people get indoor-often the air is dryer-due to heathing-and also people often more close together=more viral spread. 

Would increase humidity inside slow down the viral-spread ? A humidifier proberbly can be part of a plan (DJ-in combination with enough ventilation, avoiding overcrowding, try to keep infected people out (with 40% (+ ?) a-symptomatic spread quite impossible).

-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

DJ-Is there a correlation between airconditioning and cases ? In the US, very likely. Middle East=yes. High humidity in Africa may explain less cases (at least in part-also very limited testing, not open about cases, healthissues). 

-Looking at cases per million; Qatar=#1=airco most likely goes for #3 Bahrein, #7 Kuwait and #10 Oman. But Chili, Peru Columbia, Panama most likely the poor do not have airconditioning-also in the Gulf States migrant workers have bad housing-live in a dry enviroment. 

In cases per million the US #8 seems to be doing worse than Brazil #11. With Peru at #9 is the US even worse ? Most likely early cases/deaths (from New York) work out in the statistics. It would be interesting if you could also shift timelines. (Worldometer has some limitations there). 

-Still in cases the America's have 12 million cases-the rest of the world 10 million cases=strange. 

Another question-for what it is worth-does the top 10 in cases per million correlate with the top 10 in deaths per million ? No=it does not ! Gulf States with high cases per million do not have high deaths per million.

Peru is at #9 in cases per million and #3 in deaths per million. In the deaths per million of the population Peru is the exception-from 1 to 8 it is the European countries showing up. (Chile at #9, USA=#10)

The US is #10 in deaths per millions, #8 in cases per millions. Brazil is #11 in both lists. 

-DJ-Dr.J.C. has his worries about winter=more indoor=more spread. On this forum also a discussion on a mix of Covid19 and the flu. It is very likely health care will see an increase in demand. Are they preparing for that ? What are the limitations ? 

Here in NL one problem is staff. It takes a few years to have people prepared to work at an Intensive Care Unit (ICU). With in some countries over 10% of the Covid deaths being Health Care Workers (HCW) replacement may be a problem. Replacing doctors-that had a training of often over 10 years-is even a bigger challange. 

In my opinion (DJ) protecting HCW should be a priority. Better PPE, even more strict protocols can be one difference. Another difference may be how to "organize the job". It may sound hard-but "we need the doctors"-so the less exposure to patients the better. 

Can we organize, should we organize, healthcare in a way that "less trained helpers" take more risks ? (Because-it sounds hard-they are more easy to replace ? Well paid/insured and on a voluntary basis ? Do we need to do so to keep a basic health care system standing ? 

Background; 

[url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ DJ-It is unclear if the three-present-systems in the Atlantic will become even storms. But we are moving into the time of year with stronger storms/hurricanes. In my opinion these "systems" will no longer only be a problem for the America's-but also-increasingly-for Europe. (Here in NL we now see some remnants of "Kyle"-it could bring high humidity and high temperatures (30C+))

Extreme weather = more spread due to evacuations but also healthcare facilities may get damaged-see to much demand, get overstretched. 

[url]http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2020/08/methane-hydrates-tipping-point-threatens-to-get-crossed.html[/url] or http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2020/08/methane-hydrates-tipping-point-threatens-to-get-crossed.html DJ-There is a growing, serious risk of temperatures "going wild"-bringing even more extreme weather-storms, rains, heat etc. 

WAR

-Both in Iraq and Syria "increased pressure"on US military to get out. Russia will not accept NATO moving further east in Belarus-or the west creating chaos "bring democracy" non-sense. (The west did an awfull job in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria etc "bringing democracy" means endless wars.)

We are getting closer to the november US presidential elections. The coming-around three months- may be "eventfull". 

DJ-The corona-crisis will not be over soon. [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinese-regulators-say-covid-19-vaccines-must-be-least-50-effective-last-6-months[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinese-regulators-say-covid-19-vaccines-must-be-least-50-effective-last-6-months The only real option is damage control. 

You need public support for NPI/lockdowns etc. that support is running out. So the next best option could be to offer choices-if people have a choice to work/study from home you may be decreasing spread with less discussion/extremism. It may be better when people that want to use a facemask (without being called "sick or nazi") can do so-even if that means not all in the public will do so. 

The bigger problem is politics helping airlines, travel industry, tourism even-most likely-willing to support people going on a cruise ship. All to "save the economy" without investments in healthcare and prevention. 

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When I look at worldometer statistics new cases stabilize around 270.000 per day. We learn more on Covid19 [url]https://innovationorigins.com/protein-spikes-in-the-sars-cov-2-coronavirus-are-more-flexible-than-first-assumed/[/url] or https://innovationorigins.com/protein-spikes-in-the-sars-cov-2-coronavirus-are-more-flexible-than-first-assumed/ (DJ-This flexibility in itself is bad news-the virus may connect easier to receptors infecting the reciever. Maybe even indicating Covid19 could spread more easy in more species ???)

DJ-It is also "good news"[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/novel-breakthrough-new-studies-show-memory-t-cells-offer-long-term-and-pre-existing-covid[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/novel-breakthrough-new-studies-show-memory-t-cells-offer-long-term-and-pre-existing-covid T-cell immunity may be long lasting, other corona-cold-infections may offer some protection against Covid19 and B-cell-antibodies also-on the short term-may offer protection. DJ-But basicly this is "old news". 

Also "better treatment" then in march, april is welcome, but not the major breaktrough. 

Russia may be the first to see some results of a vaccination campain-China soon will follow. Basicly one could see it as a "large scale experiment" with the urgent need to get a grip on Covid19 as an excuse. But experiments can go wrong. 

So far in dealing with the pandemic one could argue interventions did not bring the improvements one may have hoped for. Lockdowns in Europe, US did not end the pandemic, in Latin America, Africa, India there was no economic room for a lock down. With the Non Pharma Interventions we may have kept health care working...

Here in NL there is an increase of public unrest. From anti-virus-demonstrators (being infiltrated with extreme right wing types) to youngsters-often with a migration background-in the major cities causing problems. The 3 major cities here Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague have 40% of the new cases eventhough they only have 12% of the population. (DJ-Covid19 is in a large part an urban, poverty related-problem. A Belgian study also did find that-with naming also Maroccan, Jewish minorities as groups with a lot of infections and hard to get to cooperate. If you do not recognize such a problem out of "political correctness" solving the problem gets harder.)

DJ-With the virus now beeing widespread, autumn on its way, all agegroups showing infections the short term perspective-in my view-is bad. 

Climate disaster; wildfires in California and [url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ TWO hurricanes on their way to the US-expected landfall in Houston-Texas, and Florida tuesday august 25. 

-Peak Prosperity/ Chris Martenson [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMr_X63tUN0[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMr_X63tUN0

-XYZ "story" DJ-Yes (see above)there may be widespread forms of immunity-but I do not see any indication for herd immunity. Cases going up in Europe and elsewere-we are getting close to "out of control". "The house is on fire but-great news-we have water to end the fire-it only is not there yet"-stories may provide long term hope-on the short term I have the feeling PP/CM is ignoring "facts on the ground".

At best the XYZ story is wishfull thinking, a tunnel vision-yes immunity most likely will go up somewhat-but not enough to save us from major problems.

-Rapid saliva-tests-maybe even better than PCR-nose/throat-testing-is developed may be good news if it comes available on a large scale soon. Also in the NL test results may take sometimes a few days-the sooner the better for results to show up. If testing becomes much easier one could also test for a/pre-symptomatic spread (and groups with un usual symptoms-skin problems but no "normal"Covidsymptoms etc). 

-A Danish warning-up to 40% of younger patients may see health issues for months after infections. DJ-With over 50% of new Dutch cases in the under 50 age group-also increasing cases in very young children (0 to 5 y/o) most likely on a global scale Covid19 is infecting now also young children. (PP/CM gets it wrong-a.o. Dr. John Campbell has better info on kids. PP may be in "his XYZ-tunnel" blind for new developments that this not fit in his dreams.)

DJ-We had health care workers demonstrating here in NL for better working conditions (a.o. better salary, but also more staff-some hospitals already reporting PPE shortages...One nurse did see 70 patients die a few months ago-does not want to see that again. It looks like new patients on their way-it must be heart breaking when you have to put babies on ventilators...because also cases in 0-1 y/o going up.)

-From Australia triple-therapy ; Ivermectin, Zinc and Doxycycline (antibiotic) looks promissing not only for treatment but maybe also as prevention. (Old medication-so no need for new testing, cheap, can be produced on a large scale). Ivermectin did show it worked in viral diseases-stopping the virus getting into the cell. Also increasing the immune reaction. 

-PP/CM makes a very important point-why are doctors finding these things out and not the CDC ? Organizations like the CDC should gather all kind of info on treatments and coordinate on best results-but they did turn out to be a Remdesivir-promotion team on taxpayers money...(Here in NL our government did "dump" dealing with Covid at the 25 "safety regions" , schools, hospitals-our government again runs away when things get hard-putting others with responsabilities without the tools to do a good job. )

-In Bangla Desh they compared treatment with Ivermectin with HCQ treatment- Ivermectin did reduce symptoms a few days faster. (All patients had no or mild symptoms-DJ-the earlier medication works-I guess the less damage the virus can do. If medication is also cheap, tested, easy to mass produce it can make a big difference during a pandemic.)

-Another-small-study (also from Bangla Desh ?) did get good results when patients did get hospital treatment with both-HCQ and Ivermectin. Patients needed less time hospital care (during a pandemic hospital beds are always needed). DJ-Again-for most patients-treatment has to be affordable-no need or money for high profit new "medication" !

PP common sense approach; 

-prepare the terrain-boost immunity, avoid stress

-masks, social distancing, get tested in time

-take HCQ and/or Ivermectin in early stages (=PP/CM advise) of infection

-MATH protocol if infection gets worse

-Get a vaccine when it has shown it works-but do what you can do now.

DJ-I do not agree with PP conclusions the XYZ-herd immunity is proven-things are getting worse fast. Most likely worldometer statistics will go up in cases. Maybe better treatment can keep number of severe cases/deaths down. 

Also I doubt Covid19 came from a lab. (Coronavirusses are widespread in animals)

Good news is rapid tests being developed, Ivermectin may be helping in more advanced infections.

DJ-With extreme weather events increasing, the flu season on its way we may face hard times..

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DJ-When I look at statistics I can not help noticing the unpredictability of the Covid19-outbreak. For NL I would expect to see numbers increase high speed due people coming back from holidays, first schools reopening. So far that did not happen yet. 

Other countries do see those (school, holiday) effects. Still [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ shows stability in global cases. 

Both Peak Prosperity/Chris Martenson and Dr. John Campbell point to a certain herd immunity based on; 1-immunity due to exposure to "cold-corona virus" 2-T-cell immunity after Covid19 infection (often a symptomatic) just like 3-B-cell immunity-anti bodies- providing short term (2-3 months) immunity. 

I would love to believe the "immunity theory" but I have my doubts. A-The global number of people infected by Covid19-even if the statistics would be only 10% of all cases-would be in between 400 to 500 million people on a global population close to 8 billion=around 5%. The rest of the "herd immunity" would come from cold-corona virus ? 

Yes-lots of people try to avoid the virus-if you can you take social distance, use masks etc. I find it "strange" to see the statistics showing stability...

What we do find-most likely due to more testing in the younger age group is a lot more young people becoming infected. (On this forum several links to that-from a teacher following US school cases-why is the government not doing that ? to Berlin-Germany over 40 schools-DW NOT reporting on it.)

I think Dr. John Campbell is correct in his worries on the coming autumn and winter. The virus will not be gone in just a few months, there will not be a vaccine. The idea of reopening schools-in my idea-is not wise. (Just like allowing travel did spread the virus). 

Eventhough human suffering due to illness, loss of loved-ones, should be top-priority also economic worries do count. Somehow the idea of switching to a more pandemic-proof society does not come up-no room for a "new normal". 

Background;

[url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ it is unclear how "Laura" and "Marco" will develop further. They both could make landfall in/near Texas coming Tuesday-august 25. But both may become a tropical depression-with a lot of rain-or becoma a major hurricane-the coming three days will tell us. Evacuation-people on the move-virus spreading-will be part of the problem. 

(I also take a glimpse at the Arctic Sea Ice Forum-how close will we get to a Blue Ocean Event next month ? Will the minimum show up later on in the month ? Will extreme storms reach the Arctic ?)

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Hal Turner has a lot of issues; 

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/rumor-swift-global-payment-system-to-shut-down-on[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/rumor-swift-global-payment-system-to-shut-down-on 

DJ- The US is not happy with Europe doing deals with Russia-Iran-China. "If you are not with us you are against us" seems to be-again-the US idea. During the Trum presidency the already existing gap between Europe and the US widened. Shutting down SWIFT (based in Brussels-Belgium) would force Europe to take a side. (DJ-So far US pressure did only widen the gap-putting even more pressure can backfire on US-Europe relations).

On his site also Hal Turner mentions China preparing for war at two fronts-India and Taiwan. Iran trying to get S400 air defense from Russia, Turkey/Erdogan trying to go for a new Turkish empire. 

DJ-Both Russia and China have a "strategic partnership" with Iran. The Russian-Iran-China (RIC) coalition is finished with US/NATO/western agression-from Hong Kong to Iraq, Syria, Belarus. What is the point of talking when the US only pushes its border further and Europe does not take a real stand ? 

Both the US and RIC may try to push Europe in "their way". Europe should define its own position. (Macron-in France-is doing so by telling the Lebanon government what to do-it may not work, French-neo-colonialism may be behind the Mali-coup ?) 

One possible (peacefull) outcome could be NATO breaking up. (US-Europe-Turkey-UK already at least four different groups with different agenda's). Russia may accept France-German initiatives in Belarus-like in the Ukraine. The EU has an interest in getting access to the Asia-market. 

The present corona-crisis may speed up EurAsia integration when Russia and China show they are able to deal with the corona crisis. (Via vaccinations, better treatments etc.) 

I expect major moves to be made before the US elections...

Fool on the hill (1967 fragment) [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGEX_7IqaC4[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGEX_7IqaC4 (maybe I identify myself with "the fool on the hill" as an observer-drawing my own conclusions)


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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xOO9t5HWYs[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xOO9t5HWYs Dr. John Campbell describing a US study indicating children do get Covid19 infections-may often get less ill bur will spread the virus to others.

Indications for Multi Inflamatory System-in Children (MIS-C) being caused by infections by more virusses (named are other corona-virusses and influenza) making the immune system getting out of control. Often the virus-parts are already out of the body when children show the first signs. 

In the UK a rash is a sign of Covid19 (in 20% of the children) the US only would expect to see that in severe cases (DJ-It would be nice if there was some international agreement on symptoms-the WHO should play a leading role in that).

This MIS-C can do a lot of damage to a.o. the hearth-DJ is this the same as Kawasaki-syndrome ? 

DJ-Another question could be how often do adults get such a MIS-overreaction ? How much of severe cases/deaths is caused by an overreaction of the body (like a [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm )

To jump to the WAR-part; [url]https://www.dw.com/en/russian-dissident-alexei-navalny-stable-after-arrival-in-berlin-for-medical-treatment/a-54655875[/url] or https://www.dw.com/en/russian-dissident-alexei-navalny-stable-after-arrival-in-berlin-for-medical-treatment/a-54655875 Does Navalny have (had) a corona-virus infection ? Can they find out in Berlin what happened ? 

(DJ-I am willing to believe Russia/Putin may order to get someone killed-I do not think he is a saint. (Just as I may believe there is to much coincidence in people dying related to clinton-scandals-including epstein. Was biden one of his "guests" ?)

Is asking if Navalny may have Covid19 during a pandemic-with lots of cases in Russia-not a more logical question than "blaming Russian tea" or a member of the Navalny staff ? 

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/navalny-was-not-poisoned.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/navalny-was-not-poisoned.html (DJ-Navalny is a right wing extremist-representing only 2% of the Russian voters-did uncover some corruption cases-and maybe some criminal groups may have been after him. When you look at the largest opposition against Putin you may find out it is "old style communists" with Soviet-nostalgia-but that does not fit the western propaganda.)

(In Germany I would proberbly vote for a green party-but I appreciate Angela Merkel for her fluent Russian and willingness to call up Putin. She (and Netanyahu) may be one of the few western leaders that can influence Putin, have "easy access". 

More and more western main stream media picture Russia like they did during the cold war. Creating an atmosphere making international cooperation harder.) 

[url]https://www.rt.com/uk/498749-coronavirus-stay-forever-flu/[/url] or https://www.rt.com/uk/498749-coronavirus-stay-forever-flu/ DJ-Covid19 will-most likely-develop to a (much) milder virus-on the other hand we may find out corona-virusses may do more damage then we used to believe (a link with ME/CFS ?)

To go on with the WAR-part; 

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/belarus-army-to-full-combat-alert-over-nato-troop-movements-u-s-b-52-s-head-to-europe[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/belarus-army-to-full-combat-alert-over-nato-troop-movements-u-s-b-52-s-head-to-europe 

DJ-Russia-Iran-China do not have any reason for trusting "the west". "We"=the west-would like to take over Belarus, include it into NATO and the EU. Like we did with Poland and the Baltic States against promisses made to Gorbachow at the end of the Soviet Union in 1991. "The West" still wants "lebensraum"  and take over Russian energy. 

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/us-will-sanction-other-countries-for-not-enforcing-un-sanctions-that-do-not-exist.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/us-will-sanction-other-countries-for-not-enforcing-un-sanctions-that-do-not-exist.html 

The US wants to sanction any country or company doing deals with Iran because the US did destroy the Iran-deal. Since this comes on top of sanctions against countries/companies buying Russian, Iran energy, Chinese (5G) technology etc. even the UK is against this US stupidity....DJ-With the UK now out of the EU and Merkel and Macron in agreement on a lot of issues (a.o. often supported by the Netherlands-the smallest of the larger EU economies or the largest of the smaller EU economies-we-the Netherlands-may find ourselves in a more decisive role) maybe the EU may come to sme stands in international policy. The UK can than decide if they want to play the US or EU "game". 

Climate Chaos;

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/computer-model-laura-to-grow-to-cat-4-hit-new-orleans-wednesday[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/computer-model-laura-to-grow-to-cat-4-hit-new-orleans-wednesday 

DJ-If I want realistic hurricane stories I go to the [url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/[/url] ot https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ .

[url]https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/[/url] or https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/ and [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPH2B8tGYcQ[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPH2B8tGYcQ BPEarthwatch I also trust-in hurricane stories (BPEarthwatch does deny climate change-but is good in models and has a lot of knowledge of storms. I think alternative views can make me think. Do solar winds increase earthquakes ? etc.) 

DJ-Both "Laura" and "Marco" deserve extra attention. With my little knowledge I wonder what would happen if these-at present-two systems-would become one system ? (A very unlikely scenario-the two systems are hundreds of miles from eachother and in all models will stay separated both in distance and time of US landfall.) Would it stay in the Gulf-and do a lot of damage there ? Would it become a category 5(+) storm-with strong winds and lots of rain far into the US ? Or would the storms "destroy" eachother ? 

I realize-with 1933 and 1959 as the only earlier moments in time with two of these systems at the same time in the Gulf [url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/marco-laura-approach-us-packing-double-threat-to-gulf-coast/798759[/url] or https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/marco-laura-approach-us-packing-double-threat-to-gulf-coast/798759  and maybe two hurricanes at the same time in that area being a first time-a lot of experts are at the edge of their knowledge. 

Already "Laura" is expected to do a lot of damage on -a.o.-Hispaniola (Haïti and Dominican Republic) and Cuba. How much damage can a country take ? (And in this "very cold"war period-how much damage or others willing to add-the US towards Cuba, others towards the US ?)

DJ-"Scenario's"may be the best one can think of in uncertain situations. I would not rule out "Laura" donig a lot of damage to Florida within 24/48 hours. "Now casting" in stead of "forecasting" may be a last option in a very dynamic weather situation. 

Riders on the storm-the Doors [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS-af9Q-zvQ&t=2s[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS-af9Q-zvQ&t=2s

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About the hurricanes, one is almost a day ahead of the other, I believe.

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Do you know the estimated categories yet, ViQueen?  Or are they still waffling from station to station?

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ViQueen24-according to Tropical Tidbits "Marco" moved faster and more east then models expected-it did not cross the Yucatan peninsula to "slow down" but stayed above water between Yucatan and Cuba. 

According to [url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/153825.shtml?cone#contents[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/153825.shtml?cone#contents "Marco" may be at the Louisiana coast at monday evening. Most likely as a cat1 hurricane. 

Tomorrow evening "Laura" will be entering the Gulf between Florida and Cuba-[url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/152713.shtml?cone#contents[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/152713.shtml?cone#contents still as a tropical storm-to become a hurricane a day later-Tuesday evening-and make landfall at the Texas-Louisiana border-most likely also as a category 1 hurricane, on wednesday-so-if the present forecasts are correct two days apart. (Most likely some regions in the US Gulf coast will have extreme weather from monday till thursday).

What both "systems" have in common with most other storms this season is their unpredictability-they can give surprises. There will be a lot of rain and flooding-evacuations further spreading Covid19. Not only in the US but also in Cuba, Haïti etc. 

[url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/central-gulf-coast-to-feel-marcos-wrath-first-as-laura-looms/799325[/url] or https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/central-gulf-coast-to-feel-marcos-wrath-first-as-laura-looms/799325

DJ-[url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/bavi-to-strengthen-to-a-typhoon-before-impacting-south-korea-and-japan-next-week/798995[/url] or https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/bavi-to-strengthen-to-a-typhoon-before-impacting-south-korea-and-japan-next-week/798995 Also Korea/China will face a cat2 typhone this week.

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DJ-

-Companies like [url]https://www.formula-air.com/en/filters-stop-coronavirus[/url] or https://www.formula-air.com/en/filters-stop-coronavirus

and 

[url]https://www.deltrian.com/news/[/url] or https://www.deltrian.com/news/ claim to provide a 100% protection via filtering Covid-virusses out of the air. (Via ionisation, killing virusses etc-if that idea worked why was it not used in high-care facilities ? Or is it used there ? )

-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Statistics indicate a "slow down of growth"of new cases. 

DJ-For the Netherlands lifting restrictions was expected to bring an increase of cases. The increase was larger than expected-the story is people stopped often acting in a safe way. I-DJ-also think travel did spread the virus. But "the experts" were in favour of reopening borders, restarting airtravel and may not be willing to admit that "opened a door". 

Still so far the numbers did not explode. This week more schools start, most people returned from holiday-so by the middle of september it should be clear how statistics will develop further.

Scenario-wise; PP XYZ-theory and "controlled reopening" may-for now-look realistic. There are new cases-more than during lock down. Most new infections are in a (much) younger age group. Maybe this will result in less deaths and severe cases-less older and other more vulnarable people getting infected. It takes time for a person to get severe illness. 

News from spread in schools etc. may indicate reasons for being very, very carefull. Children do spread the virus-and an increasing number do get ill. Infection with a mix of virusses may cause the immune system to overreact. We have to see how often this will happen...

Dr.John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bldTawjH3Yw[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bldTawjH3Yw 

Do children suffer more from not going to school than the risk of getting infected ? Can you limit the risks of children spreading the virus in other age groups ? 

CDC-30 to 60 million people in US did get Covid-infection (NY may be 20-25%) herd immunity at 30 to 50% =R0<1 ? 

In 2018/19 flu vaccination "whites"over 48% got vaccine, "minorities"between 39 and 33% (DJ-with vitamin D, poverty could explain more Covid cases/deaths in minorities).

Cold war mentality causing vaccine race in stead of international cooperation.

-Background; 

[url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ Marco no longer a hurricane-still a risk. Followed by Laura that will become a hurricane. This mix will do a lot of damage-Laura may even reach West Virginia as a storm...

[url]https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/[/url] or https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/ Dry air and windsheer will weaken Marco-with the rain moving north-and the wind/depression moving west. (Since a storm is 10-15 kilometers high different winds/conditions at different altitudes can make or break a storm). Laura may weaken due to mountains over Cuba-but by being pushed a bit to the south may have more time over warm water and can become a cat 2-maybe a major 3 (+?) hurricane before landfall at the Louisiana/Texas border wednesday/thursday. 

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2oAjm-qAAQ[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2oAjm-qAAQ BP Earthwatch monitoring developments-radar images versus model-expectations-Marco may stay more to the east...

Marco can still influence Laura's movements...full of surprises !

"Tell Laura I love her" (from Tommy-not Marco) Ricky Valance 1960 [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suy-bbKzTjk[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suy-bbKzTjk

Latest update [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNpsFgwAmq0[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNpsFgwAmq0 showing the complexity of both storm systems. [url]https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200824002500315[/url] or https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200824002500315 extreme weather on its way to Korea, China-in the middle of the corona-crisis there. 

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Yes, you are right, Josh, Marco has slowed down considerably.  There doesn't seem to be agreement on what will happen, Witchy, as far as intensity, but they are supposed to strike the U.S. mainland about 48 hours apart.  From what I can see, Laura is strengthening as Marco is weakening.  This is the latest that I have found on it, from about 5 hours ago:

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/gulf-storms-marco-downgraded-to-tropical-storm-laura-kills-11-in-dominican-republic-haiti

 One small window of goodish news is that Laura is predicted at this time to curve up and we here in Pittsburgh are supposed to get some of the outer edges of her rain, good news as our area is in a mild to moderate drought; we have probably had less than 10 rain events all summer, and normally we have rain every two or three days in the summer.I


Update: Local news says Marco will hit New Orleans with a 4 ft. storm surge and about 6 inches of rain this evening; Laura will hit Wednesday as a Category 2 hurricane.

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[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/bulletin-laura-heading-toward-cat-5-twenty-foot-storm-surge-evacuate-coastal-louisiana-near-lake-charles-and-coastal-texas-near-beaumont[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/bulletin-laura-heading-toward-cat-5-twenty-foot-storm-surge-evacuate-coastal-louisiana-near-lake-charles-and-coastal-texas-near-beaumont 

HT may be overdoing it-maybe-but from [url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT3+shtml/270844.shtml[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT3+shtml/270844.shtml ;

LAURA MOVING NORTHWARD OVER SOUTHWESTERN LOUISIANA...
...CATASTROPHIC STORM SURGE, EXTREME WINDS, AND FLASH FLOODING
CONTINUES IN PORTIONS OF LOUISIANA...
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Unsurvivable storm surge with large and destructive waves will cause
catastrophic damage from Sea Rim State Park, Texas, to Intracoastal
City, Louisiana, including Calcasieu and Sabine Lakes. This surge
could penetrate up to 40 miles inland from the immediate coastline,
and flood waters will not fully recede for several days after the
storm.

Surge-related flooding depends on the relative timing of the surge
and the tidal cycle, and can vary greatly over short distances.  For
information specific to your area, please see products issued by
your local National Weather Service forecast office.

DJ-[url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/laura-strikes-louisiana-as-category-3-hurricane/801384[/url] or https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/laura-strikes-louisiana-as-category-3-hurricane/801384

DJ-Weatherwise this is the most extreme US scenario-widespread public unrest, wildfires and a very strong storm mixed with a pandemic....

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/damage-mounts-hurricane-laura-makes-landfall-extremely-dangerous-category-4[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/damage-mounts-hurricane-laura-makes-landfall-extremely-dangerous-category-4
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Just watching it DJ

 on CNN

Very scary....

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DJ-First reports seem to indicate Laura did not cause "catastrophic" damage, just "severe"damage. With other storms it was a lack of help that did do a lot of damage. Laura also is not over yet....we may have to get more info...(It would be nice if the damage, loss of life, would be very limited !) [url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/08/north-korea-on-high-alert-as-typhoon.html[/url] or http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/08/north-korea-on-high-alert-as-typhoon.html DJ-hurricanes,typhones, cyclones in a pandemic do spread the virus...

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/08/27/dutch-permanently-ban-mink-farming-april-2021[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/08/27/dutch-permanently-ban-mink-farming-april-2021 (DJ-With over 40 farms-of the 128 now being infected. By march 2021 all of them will be infected...In Gennep-North Limburg there may be a relation between mink-farming and an increase of Covid19-cases in the population.)

Peak Prosperity of tuesday was on reinfections; [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u7eyMU-tN8[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u7eyMU-tN8 ;

-If we stopped international travel in january we could have prevented this pandemic...

-Re-infections Dutch/Belgian (?) and Hong Kong case. The HK story man had 24 nucleotids different in second a-symptomatic infection out of 29.600 nucleotides...PP body would not see the difference (DJ-Reinfection story not "news" most likely will be seen much more-eventhough some "experts" now claim "it is very rare and only in weak immunity-causing mild illness-blagh blagh"-reinfection may be a big issue soon. PP-XYZ theory may be less valid). 

-Covid-burnout, people not going for social distance, masks etc=pushing for further cases. Both at schools but also weddings etc. (DJ-"Our" king did get himself photograped with his wife and a Greek restaurant owner-not taking any distance/mask, "our" minister of justice did get married last weekend also standing very close to guests etc. International a lot of "people supposed to be an example" had to give up their job for not taking precautions-covid-burnout is widespread.)

- Big Pharma maffia did get Australia make a law against using HCQ. Question is is it the governments role to interfere with a doctor-patient relationship based on "9 cases/trials" claiming HCQ "does not do better" than other treatments...(DJ-Corruption in science is a major problem. "Experts" seem to be willing to promote smoking, sugar, fossil fuels when paid for by companies.) A retrospective Belgian study did find benefits in 8075 patients of HCQ use 17-to 27% deaths-early 2020-HCQ in more severe cases-without zinc. 

-Latest Peak Prosperity;

-Chris Martenson had to go to the dentist (nice picture of a tooth missing ;-)) so he will post his video this evening. 

Other background; 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-definitive-eurasian-alliance-closer-you-think[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-definitive-eurasian-alliance-closer-you-think DJ-I think a lot of people are not very happy with the two candidate US next presidents, trump or biden are pushing a lot of countries away from the US. 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/natos-unified-front-breaking-point[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/natos-unified-front-breaking-point 

DJ-Several conflictpoints;

-Europe does not want a crisis in Belarus, another Ukraine-like endless "civil"war due to the CIA/US

-Turkey-backed by the US-close to war with Greece, Italy, France-but also Egypt, Armenia (DJ-It would be a US role to get out of this conflict-not to escalate it)

-The EU does want a sort of Iran-deal, peace in Syria, Iraq-not the US stealing oil there, hijacking ships with oil in international waters on their way from Iran to Venezuela because the US did break the Iran-deal

-"We" want to buy our goods and services from where we choose. The US sanctioning European companies working on North/Turk-stream energy supply from Russia, companies doing bussiness with Iran, doing bussiness with 5G Huawei-China is something WE in Europe decide on our own. (It is an insane idea to believe the US has any right to tell us were to buy our goods. That we should spent more on buying US weapons etc...)

DJ-The pandemic is far from over. We may have seen a "summer cooling down cases"in some places, numbers going up with restart after/during summer. Then again more NPI-steps producing lower cases....but all in all things do not look good.

I described the "worst scenario" would see a "major war"-we are not there yet. Also the economies are still-in basic-running. So far we avoided the "worst case scenario".

BP Earthwatch [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLfoqPXI5aU[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLfoqPXI5aU "Laura" moving north-into central US during harvest time. Tornadoes and flooding still a major risk.


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DJ-I often get things wrong-I am happy to say; "Laura" was bad not worse than Katrina, ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0ZPA2DO0e0[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0ZPA2DO0e0 DW-Deutsche Welle putting things in perspective-with more storms on their way in september and october) NL did not become the Covid19 hot-spot...I am an observer trying to see some perspective in the (corona-related) news...

Peak Prosperity, Chris Martenson back from the dentist...[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98RQ3QK-yCc[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98RQ3QK-yCc 

-There has been some "news" on Covid19, one doctor putting HCQ in the same list as bleach, Dr. John Campbell was shocked to see some doctors overdosing HCQ in severe ill patients "to claim HCQ is harmfull". (DJ-Both PP (US) and Dr. J.C. (UK) are willing to take a wider look at Covid19. Dr.J.C. is more likely to take a global look-and sometimes willing to go for "less mainstream views" a.o. corruption in South African healthcare, genocide in some countries in the way the deal with Covid19. Dr.J.C. has been around the world training health care workers. Both PP and JC have a medical university background.)

-Another retrospective study-this time from Italy looking at february-may Italian hospitalized Covid19 cases did find 30% less deaths in HCQ treated patients. PP-again, the earlier treatment with HCQ the better-so hospitalization is late to begin with. Also combination with zinc (a.o.) gives better results. (DJ-Based on a.o. the Lancet frauded "study"on HCQ some countries (including the NL) stopped using HCQ so a retrospective study gets even harder. I think PP is correct in hammering on HCQ (+zinc) because health care should be for the general public NOT for greed, profit, shareholders...it is a state's role to keep an eye on that. The CDC and others fail there as well-acting in the interest of big pharma criminals NOT the public.)

-Also looking at (early) April reporting at anti-malaria drugs indications were they showed succes. Putting a list of HCQ trials simply only can lead to one conclusion; HCQ works-in early stages and at low dosages (and better with zinc)

-"Boosting your immune system" may not prevent getting the virus-but may provide a better outcome. Vitamin D seems to be essential (a.o. Israel study). DJ-In a cytokine storm a good immune system can do harm-but in general the better the immune system the better your chances of dealing with any infection. But also enough sleep, stress reduction (and I-DJ- believe sometimes some alcohol may help to relax-can be-with limitations-beneficial ) and I believe a BMI around 27 (but that is personal) may have a preventitive function. (If infected your body may need all the reserves it can get-having some fuel may preserve your muscles being "eaten" in the recovery process. Your hearth is your main-muscle..)

-PP goes on with his MATH+-protocol Methylprednisolone (Prednison), Ascorbic acid (vitamin C), Thiamine and Heparin (blood thinner) plus zinc and vitamin D. Blood clotting is a major problem in Covid19-SARS-2. (DJ-Neither I are PP are giving medical advice-just information. Combination of (preventative) drugs, dosages etc are not something to play with. But in a crisis Vitamin C, D, zinc may be a better idea than bleach).

-Ivermectin, (high dosage IV) vitamin C did show being effective in cases. Same goes for plasma/anti body (from recovered Covid19 patients) -(but not patent-so big pharma does not like it)-in early stages. 

DJ-Some (of my) conclusions; there are treatments for Covid19/SARS-2 but there are also "factors" stopping people from getting those treatments. Health care for profit may be a wrong idea. Food production should be an issue-"modern food"may not always give you the nutrients your body needs-so the use of some supplements may be wise. 

DJ-I believe in preventative healthcare. We need to get the air cleaner, healthy mobility in stead of overuse of cars etc. healthy cities and less population growth. (Children deserve the best we can give-so limit the number of children so you can give the best !) This may go against both religion and politics/big bussiness-but both have become harmfull for the individual citizens. 

"NoFollow is applied to all links from this forum" means there is no point in putting links in these posts ? (A question for the moderators ?) So I limit my links...you can still copy them and look them up for yourself....links work for me though...

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You get more right than most - way more!   -   I wish I had your record.  :(

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I of course get nothing wrong....

Seriously though.... 

I always stand to be corrected.....

Take care everyone....i have a bad feeling that things going to get worse.....

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Techno, I wish I was incorrect more often....

DJ-Looking at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ some remarks;

1-August 11 we passed the 20 million positive tested-included in statistics-cases, now we crossed the 25 million cases august 29-in 18 days (as can be expected with over 250.000 cases per day). 

2-In the US 1,85% of the population did test positive, Brazil comes to 1,808% Spain gets to 0,97% of its population, Sweden 0.83%, UK0,49%

3-The America's make up for almost 13,5 million cases-the rest of the world has the other 11,5 million cases. The America's is only 1/8 of the global population

4-Africa would have 1,24 million cases-about half of them in South Africa/Suid Afrika. 

DJ-Two major unexplained unbalances-why the America's that many cases and why Africa's number that limited ? How good are the statistics ? 

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For the US I expect 1-further public unrest, exploited for political gain 2-Hurricane season is expected to be very active in september and october, 3-the economic damage in the US is just beginning to show. 

With "lower social classes", "the poor" being hit hardest in all three developments I think a civil war may become a real risk. Two old men are busy pushing themselves (as next president) without any leadership at all. They let the poor rot. Both US main "political parties" seem to be blind and/or stupid.

International the US has "limited friendships"left. Telling the rest of the world who to deal with in energy, weapons, contacts-even European "partners" did destroy the US-EU link. 

In minorities Europe-in general-is not doing that much better than the US. "We" only have a much wider variation in minorities. But our "political leaders" must fear US developments towards a "failed superpower". 

DJ-I would not be surprised if the US elections would be postponed to march 2021 due to US chaos. We may see some of that chaos showing up in Europe-but limited and controllable. 

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With this [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/fda-covid-19-virus-has-never-been-isolated[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/fda-covid-19-virus-has-never-been-isolated kind of widespread dis/mis-information communication on this pandemic does fail. 

I did see a Sweden virologist claiming their government was in constant communication with their population. That has a value of its own. (DJ-Although Finland is doing much better then its neighbour to the west-with low cases/deaths and very limited economic damage). Mass-demonstrations against corona-measures can be seen every weekend all over Europe. 

In many countries economic aid, bonusses for HCW-ers end up with the rich. The same rich people that did most of the viral-spread. 

With now people back from (sometimes foreign-a bad idea-governments should have kept borders closed) holidays, schools reopening and autumn/fall on its way infection numbers will go up. 

Here in the NL there still is a testing problem-we are hardly able to get 25.000 tests per day-with German help we may be able to reach 40.000 tests per day-far from the 70.000 our ministry of health claimed could be reached in autumn. 

With a/pre symptomatic spread at least 40% (proberbly higher) in NL you only can get tested if you have symptoms or contacts with someone who tested positive. So we are missing at least 40% of the infections/spread. At airports-with a lot of luck-they are able to get 20% tested of people from high risk countries. 

Our minister of justice did get married last weekend-during that wedding most likely (a.o.) our finance minister did get infected..."our" king did get himself and his wife at a picture in Greece with the restaurant-holder almost shoulder-to-shoulder-without any face masks...still a lot of people did get a fine of 390 (or 490 ??) € for not keeping enough distance-they also do have a "criminal record for life"...another unacceptable imbalance.

The support for further Non Pharma Interventions is very limited-leaving those most vulnarable in isolation while "the rest-often young can go party"....of course there will be a price for that !

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DJ-This pandemic is far from over. I did mention minks in NL getting infections in 1-in-3 of the 128 mink farms-and an end to these farms next march. Most likely spread via animals must be much more common-but just like with children-they get undertested so less detection (so "science"can claim they did not find much-without telling they did not look for it...)

As Dr. John Campbell did say; Why would this corona virus NOT spread via children-children are the biggest virus spreaders (eventhough they may get less symptoms in the first stage. They can get very ill if they get more infections in the same time-with an autoimmune reaction going wild damaging organs). 

Of course I would love to believe Africa numbers are that low-high humidity and vitamin D providing some protection. Maybe people in rural Africa do not infect eachother that often-have some immunity due to prior corona (cold) infections...But I (DJ) do not believe those numbers are correct for Africa's mega-cities. 

The high humidity, vitamin D story also would go for other parts of the globe-where we do see high infection rates (Brazil, India). So most likely very limited testing and reporting may be the real story behind "Africa's good news".

(Recently arrived refugees from Africa in Italy did show Covid19 infection).

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Russia does have a Covid19 problem (did navalny get a covid19 test ? Why is western media jumping to the "poison" story when this man has health (diabetes) issues ?). The Sputnik V vaccine is the first vaccine undergoing mass testing. China is also testing a vaccine on "essential state personal" indicating they do trust their vaccine to do no harm. 

There is an increase of high tech detection of virus-parts in the air, sewage etc. making monitoring (new) outbreaks much better. The price for it is "the super state"/Big Brother. But that technology was already put in action in "the wars on terror, drugs, crime"etc. With smart camera's detecting "unusual behavior" in crowds. 

Sewage checks on drug-use is also not new. Electronic Patient Dossiers in many ways also are a fact. (Digital information sharing can save lives-as long as the info is correct. I (DJ) think the patient "owns"his information and has to agree on who can have access when. If people are unable to get a job or buy a house due to incorrect info in electronic medical records something goes wrong). 

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DJ,

-Since I think it is important a three day old video from Dr. John Campbell on HCQ. A Belgian study (again) did find HCQ is helpfull given in the correct doses at the right time. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uzXHnUViro[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uzXHnUViro 

PP-was referring to this video. Dr.J.C. elaborated further on HCQ here [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBn4e69tGlg[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBn4e69tGlg . (Including at min 28 an august 21 Lancet article on almost 1 million people with rheumatoid arthritis showing HCQ alone does not have bad side effects on the short term in these patients, in combination with azithromycin does increase hearth problems in the short term.)

Two remarks on HCQ-1 this "chemical" is easy to make, cheap, old-safe to use in malaria (a.o.) as PP/CM keeps repeating-in combination with zinc (etc) it seems to be often effective in early stages treatment of Covid19.

2-This knowledge was not "new" HCQ did proof to be effective against SARS-1 in 2003. Maybe it had some promotors (trump, bolsenaro-not popular in "intelectual circles" but that should not be a reason NOT to use it. Was "Big Pharma" out to make money on "new medication"? If HCQ is that effective NOT using it did kill hundreds of thousends of people !

This pandemic could have been avoided by closing borders, stop (air)travel-freeze mobility to essential only-in january, february. End of january it was clear China had a major problem in Wuhan-why "the world waited"to act ? 

When I look back there are two main questions-1 why no mobility stop in early 2020 to stop the spread ? and 2 why not use HCQ with zinc-that had shown to be effective earlier, was available-as "standard care"? 

-I was looking at Zero Hedge-did not see an article jumping out-but the US is "in chaos". Allthough most places do NOT see riots, hurricanes, wildfires etc Covid19 is a major US problem. The economic fall out is just starting. 

There is a cultural difference between Europe and the US-in Europe governments jump in for all. In the US the FED intervened for the 0.1%. (Believing the "[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics non-sense). 

We have a sort of public care-you will not go bankrupt due to healthcare costs in most of Europe-in the US over 1 million households face that experience in a "normal"year. With the economic disaster on its way the US healthcare-for-profit is killing people. The US is moving towards 200.000 Covid19 positive tested deaths (3times+ the number of an average year US flu deaths)-most of those deaths could have been avoided.

-In the US it is the "minorities" that suffer most. From illness to loosing job, house, lack of chances. Neither political party seems to care....For Brazil one could almost say the same-there was a more "social" government but that was "moved away"by the CIA and pro-US (army)elite.

I (DJ) do not believe in "revolutions" I am against violence-but people need perspective...I think on city, state-level in the US there are "signs of hope"-but the US as a country is in crisis. The "culture", way of thinking has to change....

-At present there are FOUR "systems" in the Atlantic that could become another hurricane. [url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/  Climate change is escalating...the Arctic Sea Ice is getting very close to the 2012 record low-with still a few (three ? I expect the minimum shifting towards the end of september) weeks to go.

As a reminder "the worlds fridge" keeping our planet at a temperature that enables live-consists of the Arctic, Greenland, AntArctic and mountain-glaciers/snow-all of them breaking up fast. Maybe the West Anarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS) should be a worry most-with melt from below-warm water and above. (The East/main antarctic ice is on land WAIS is most no longer-so warm water can melt from below. another factor is wind erosion-blowing ice and snow into the ocean. (I believe something like 8% of antarctica has no permanent snow/ice, we had temerature records there as well.)

WAR

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/greek-turkish-f-16-jets-in-near-dogfight-off-cyprus-video-shows-radar-lock[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/greek-turkish-f-16-jets-in-near-dogfight-off-cyprus-video-shows-radar-lock 

and 

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/unprecedented-show-of-force-b-52-s-in-nuke-capable-config-overfly-all-of-europe-with-fighter-escorts[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/unprecedented-show-of-force-b-52-s-in-nuke-capable-config-overfly-all-of-europe-with-fighter-escorts

DJ-One way to "unify" NATO is starting a war with Russia. Some "news" claim China would be preparing for a Taiwan invasion. (DJ-Not very likely eventhough Bejing has red lines-it will not accept Taiwan turning into a major US base). 

The western propaganda claims "Russian agression" while in fact NATO did move east-tried to include even the Ukraine (including Crimea with the Russian Black Sea Navybase). NATO started "out of their territory"activities in Afghanistan. Brazil-under self declared fascist bolsenaro-could be included in NATO. 

By supporting IS and alqaeda in Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen NATO has turned into a North Atlantic Terrorist Organization. NATO did support Turkeys internal war against the Kurds for decades-the west did oppose any real solution-some form of a Kurdish State-for decades. (Just like they denied Palestine to become a real State-Israel is-in many ways-included in NATO lines). So much for NATO 'defending democracy"....

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Originally posted by Dutch Josh Dutch Josh wrote:

DJ,

-Since I think it is important a three day old video from Dr. John Campbell on HCQ. A Belgian study (again) did find HCQ is helpfull given in the correct doses at the right time. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uzXHnUViro[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uzXHnUViro 


I posted about this months ago.  Trials in NYC found it was helpful given at the right time.  The problem there is the window was very narrow and doctors couldn't figure out when the "right time" was.  It was hit or miss. The Belgian study is all well and good, but it doesn't clarify much about the whens and how much beyond that it was helpful to some patients (not saying it was not helpful to others).  I still don't see how HCQ is a viable treatment.  Perhaps a last ditch effort?

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WM-In 2005 Dr. A. Fauci (with others) did find HCQ effective in SARS-1. For many countries HCQ is among the cures they can afford. This pandemic may have looked very different if HCQ in the early stages was the standard treatment-is the picture I am getting. 

This pandemic is the outcome of human failures-not of a very agressive virus. A stop/limit on international travel may have slowed down the spread-giving health care better chances to deal with the cases that do show up. 

When I look at the statistics-maybe at best showing testing capacity-still the question on why the number of Covid19-deaths /cases per million is that much higher in the US , UK etc than in many other countries. [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ 

Some claim there was a different-more agressive-strain of Covid19-but more likely the way healthcare  and people did deal with the pandemic in those countries did result in those statistics. 

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ discussion also on wikipedia)

-Same discussion in Europe [url]https://innovationorigins.com/corona-in-europe-why-do-finland-and-spain-differ-like-day-and-night/[/url] or https://innovationorigins.com/corona-in-europe-why-do-finland-and-spain-differ-like-day-and-night/ Spain had a strict lockdown to late-opened up for tourism-then went back to strict lock down. Finland more or less relaxed-social distancing is their way of life-did manage to limit both health and economic damage. 

Background

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/fresh-tensions-erupt-along-sino-indian-border-causing-financial-tremors[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/fresh-tensions-erupt-along-sino-indian-border-causing-financial-tremors A China-India war would be "horror".

[url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/024100.shtml?cone#contents[/url] Another storm forming at the Atlantic "Nana" may be a lesser threat than the "developing system" south of Haïti-still a 80% chance of forming. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOD5LZSq7Co[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOD5LZSq7Co BP Earthwatch discussion on the storm south of Haïti-will it go to the Pacific-cross central America-or will it move north ???)

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Hurricane_Laura[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Hurricane_Laura seems to be on its way to the Arctic [url]https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,3017.5600.html[/url] or https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,3017.5600.html There the discussion is will it get below the 2012 record low "level of ice" ? How close will we get to a Blue Ocean Event (less than 1 million square km of ice) ? 

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This speaks to the Finnish idea of social distancing:

Were I am we are still fairly relaxed.  This island community as not yet seen a case of Corvid*, although two ferry rides in along our main line of transport, in the same political community, there have been a number of cases.


* Although there is a small year round population (800-900) there have been more "summer guests" than for many years, so the risks are higher than just what the year round population suggests, as many guests come from the major population  centres.    It is these small rural communities, which have been slowly dying for years as the cities drain all wealth and population to themselves, that have done economically better than the major cities in this time of pandemic.  I guess this reprieve to dying rural communities might be short lived.

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EdwinSM-The picture I get from this-man made-pandemic is that there is a strong correlation with income inequality, poverty and lack of public healthcare. Scandinavia has very limited poverty-maybe Sweden and Denmark a bit more in minorities/refugees-but still also doing very "balanced" compared to a lot of countries. 

Also Scandinavia most likely has a very good both in access and care healthcare system. (I can imagine that even people without papers-illegal in the country-do get care, preventing further spread). 

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98resund_Region[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98resund_Region Sweden and Denmark may also be the most urban regions in Scandinavia. Covid19 is more an urban issue.

Also humidity, summer sunshine-long days up north-and the use of sauna's (???) may be part of the story. But I did see "jokes" about the lack of social behaviour in Finland. The social distancing-hanging in your own social bubble-is a way of life. Scandinavia may have introvert people-Spain very extrovert. Character, social basic behaviour-may explain a lot of how some countries do very well, others have a very hard time implementing social distance. 

-[url]https://thebulletin.org/2020/08/a-coronavirus-vaccine-chinas-got-one-russia-does-too-will-trump-rush-one-out/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=MondayNewsletter08312020&utm_content=DisruptiveTechnology_CovidVaccine_08272020[/url] or https://thebulletin.org/2020/08/a-coronavirus-vaccine-chinas-got-one-russia-does-too-will-trump-rush-one-out/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=MondayNewsletter08312020&utm_content=DisruptiveTechnology_CovidVaccine_08272020

DJ-With Russia, China-most likely the UK moving towards larger scale vaccination the US gets behind. Creating political pressure to speed up the proces-creating safety risks. DJ-In the article they discus the use of anti-bodies, via serum of recovered patients. Lots of countries are trying that-so far with limited results-not the "golden bullet". 

We still have to find out how vaccination campains work out in Russia and China. If they prove-in results-to be safe and effective they will get exported around most of the planet. 

Weather;

[url]https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/2020-08-30-typhoon-maysak-forecast-japan-okinawa-south-korea[/url] or https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/2020-08-30-typhoon-maysak-forecast-japan-okinawa-south-korea

East Asia also facing a typhoon. [url]https://www.myfoxhurricane.com/[/url] or https://www.myfoxhurricane.com/  "Nana" may become a tropical storm on the west Atlantic-"Omar" may be a bigger problem-now south of Jamaica as a "disturbance". There are some indications it could "copy Laura"...

WAR

[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-will-prevent-iran-from-receiving-chinese-weapons-pompeo/[/url] or https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-will-prevent-iran-from-receiving-chinese-weapons-pompeo/

[url]https://southfront.org/china-shifting-away-from-saudi-oil/[/url] or https://southfront.org/china-shifting-away-from-saudi-oil/

[url]https://southfront.org/iran-russia-on-their-way-to-new-level-of-partnership/[/url] or https://southfront.org/iran-russia-on-their-way-to-new-level-of-partnership/

DJ-The US can not block land/Caspian Sea route between Iran and Russia-or the Afghanistan or Pakistan land link between Iran and China. Maybe the Armenia-Azerbeijan conflict may be related with US plans to "move into the Caspian Sea"? Further Iran-oil (etc) shipments to Venezuela may go via Russian ships (?) if needed with Russian navy escort (?).

The bad news is that Russia-Iran-China (RIC) "are finished"with talks with the US. The EU, Switzerland or others may be able to "keep at least some contact". In that way-"peacefull coexistence"during the "old cold war" was better. RIC does not accept the US as the only superpower-and is moving towards "RIC does not accept the US as a superpower". 

RIC has every reason to see US involvement in IS., alquaeda terrorist, MEK etc as an act of covert war against them. NATO involvement in creating chaos in Ukraine, Belarus-the US not puling out of Iraq, Afganistan, Syria has to be seen by RIC (and its allies) as "an indirect attack" on the New Silk Road/EurAsia-integration. 

Europe is forced-by the present US policy-(wich started under Obama-or maybe even before 9-11) to "take a side". "If it is not doing wath the US tells Europe to do" the US act like Europe is an enemy-pushing the EU towards the Asia-booming-market further...

We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein
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