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Dr. John Campbell Sunday april 26 update (part1) [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqtQjByUtkY[/url]

-describing the way we can get Covid19 under control. (DJ-Dr.J.C. does not always notice he is giving important information "between the lines"-for instance: antibodies for Covid19 are expected to be in the blood for 12-18 months - does this mean you may have immunity for that time-or longer (if yes-how). This leads back to how hard it may be to find a vaccin.)

-A very good point is inequalities. Ventilators per million people: Italy 80, Kenya 0.5, Nigeria 0.8, India 11 Doctors per million:UK 28 DRCongo <1, Afghanistan<3. In Nigeria 60% of population NO running water. (On [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria[/url] over 204 million inhabitants, 7th country by population [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population[/url] )

Co-morbidities: malnutrition, TB, HIV, Malaria, Dengue, Parasites....Dr. J.C. correctly describing these diseases as widespread or even pandemic. Malnutrition may manifest itself in shortage of just some ingredients, minerals, vitamins-but may weaken immunity. (Multi Drug Resistant TB widespread in Russia another nightmare.) (DJ-The WHO expect this year doubling of malaria-deaths to 700.000 in Africa because logistics being effected by covid19)

Lung disease due to cooking on open fire indoors (out of poverty), crowding.

-Diabetes in 1980 108 million people around the globe in 2014 that number was 422 million. Prevalence in 18+ in 1980 was 4.7% in 2014 was 8.5%. For the poor risks of diabetes(2) is much higher.

-In "poor countries" these co-morbidities will increase the Case Fatality Ratio. Children with malnutrition will die of Covid19. 

(DJ-"Poor countries" to put it that way have a much younger population-will the virus develop into a bigger risk for the young ?)

Dr.J.C.: We have a choice in improving living conditions in poor countries-or do we let people die on a large scale ? (DJ-Sorry to say but do we not already know the answer to that question. Dr.J.C. is correct-it should not be that way....)

part 2  [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOhL_KnwrR8[/url]

-South Africa; homelessness, drug addiction (also in many other countries) Also in short referring to French nicotine study. Less ACE2 receptors decrease chance of Covid19 infection-but on the other hand lungs in worse shape.

-Under his video most of the other content-with links [url]https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing[/url]

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/breaking-nurse-claims-hospitals-in-nyc-killing-covid-19-patients-uses-the-word-murder[/url] DJ-Shocking info-high pressure air support damaging the lungs-killing people not helping them.

DJ-Here in the Netherlands over 2 million people have become "corona-blockers"-do not follow news on Covid19 and often do not accept rules on dealing with the outbreak. I think fear is a main factor-there is every reason to be frightened of Covid19-the illness itself the duration of measures, loss of income etc. The best way to deal with that is understanding. Good communications-being honest in that we do not have many answers yet-but try to deal-as a government-in the best way we see possible-may make a difference. 

On this site [url]https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global[/url] were does the virus in your area come from-travel history. (The Dutch seem to be that active in research that 25% of the data on a certain moment came from NL. UK scientists aked the Dutch for a "little less action") There are lots of strains making it harder to find a cure. NL research here [url]https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.21.050633v1.full.pdf[/url] The info from the variation in Covid-virusses can be used to trace the spread of this disease. Is a new outbreak inside a country or an introduction from outside-and if so from wich country. Iran-data is only from exported cases-other countries only may also provide limited data-so tracing is not perfect yet.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJKrnpG_dAE[/url] UCSF School of medicine lectures-1,5 hours-may be very good !

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Peak Prosperity [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKeiCPwy0K8[/url]

-testing-a lot of "news" but with little data

-nicotine protecting (severe) Covid19-infection ? In France smokers were less than expected infected. Nicotine may block ACE2receptors. In China smokers had a more severe outcome (DJ but in China they smoke more than in France ???) Nicotine patches now being studied-also in-vitro study on how nicotin can block receptor-cells /

-In the press an "independent" US scientists claiming to be an expert in what can go wrong in a lab turns out to have been working 4,5 years in the Wuhan-lab (with its director)-so not independent at all....(DJ-It would be good-one day-to have an international investigation on the origins of this virus. Not to blame but make early action in following outbreaks better possible. The WHO may have lost its credentials-China will have to cooperate in this-without making it a Chinese study. Now we are dealing with the pandemic as #1 priority !)

-NYPost HCQ does not work in severe Covid cases-we allready knew that HCQ (and other anti-virals) only work in the early stages...

-Picture (Scandenevia ? Not Dutch DJ) people standing "to close"-no it is just the lens-people standing in line with 2 meter distance...

-Twisting California statistics-a small group extrapolated for all. Models incorrect-their conclusions are also incorrect. Also-you are in the middle of an outbreak so conclusions on the final numbers is much to early ! PP-We need an economy to have a health care system-the balancing act. (DJ-In Germany R0 early march was 3, dropped to 0.7-last days moving up to 1 again-given an incubation time of 5 days on average-nice weather and people getting tired of NPI may create R0 going +1-also statistical number but based on testing.)

-A 150 year- Louis Pasteur-old discussion, are the germs (bacteria, virusses etc) the problem or is it the terrain (human body, immunity-defense) and of course it is both ! When you are healthy you may have much better defenses.

-Plant a garden-economy will be hit hard !

DJ-I have the idea that most governments-while going for NPI-hoped warmer weather would further slow down the spread of the virus. Looking at NL, Germany, cases in hot Arab countries-the opposite may be real. One criticism on NPI is that you make the crisis last longer. With Germany R0 going up to 1 again what can you ask from a population for what time ? It Italy, Spain the rules were far stricter and even there the crisis is not over yet. Is the only way to deal with it the very extreme China way ? 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/health/who-mysteriously-deletes-tweet-about-reinfection-immunity-passports-being-debated[/url]

DJ-The article also mentions the WHO does not have 100% proof that antibodies in all cases provide (some) immunity (for how long). It may be to early to tell. 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/crude-carnage-continues-across-asia-another-futures-contract-roll-looms[/url] DJ-Still production is larger than demand-indicating economic consequences on their way-no global recovery of some sort-as could be expected. On the long term oil prices may give indications on were we are in dealing with the pandemic. 

[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8221507/NYC-pediatrician-issues-warning-80-cent-children-city-infected-COVID-19.html[/url],

[url]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-new-york-city-children-infected-how-many-covid-19-cases-a9467141.html[/url]

[url]https://www.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/exclusive-national-alert-as-coronavirus-related-condition-may-be-emerging-in-children/7027496.article[/url]

DJ-Covid19 in children may be problematic;

-1 They may spread the disease without any symptoms themselves

-2 When they do get ill it may not manifest itself in the Covid-symptoms as seen with adults

-3 Since children are believed not to get Covid19 infection they do not get tested even when they have a fever

-4 The sort of illness [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_disease[/url] like-may bring damages to bloodvessels that can cause problems/death later on. 

-5 With schools re-opening around the world children may be a factor in a second wave (certainly with summer-weather, people getting tired of restrictions)

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/will-china-use-economic-insecurity-buy-stakes-us-europe[/url]

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/heroin-the-worst-vector-for-coronavirus[/url] DJ-Most of the article may be garbage-non sense-but people on drugs, living in the street are a major health risk. 

DJ-In some browsers the provided links may not open. [url] and [/url] there may be blocking. I try to give summaries of longer stories-mixed with other news and my opinions. I am NOT a scientist.

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DJ-We have to restart the economic essentials (food, some form of education/school, most important health care-but we are not out of the problem. [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] still has an exponential growthrate. In the US Covid19 is simply not under control-1/3 of all cases, 1/4 of all deaths. Blaming China [url]https://www.rt.com/news/487073-china-us-coronavirus-concerns/[/url] is not helping.

[url]https://www.businessinsider.nl/us-intelligence-officials-knew-of-coronavirus-outbreak-in-november-2020-4?international=true&r=US[/url] ;

Intelligence officials followed up the November intelligence report with policy briefings “through December for policy-makers and decision-makers across the federal government as well as the National Security Council at the White House,” ABC News reported.


“This was definitely being briefed beginning at the end of November as something the military needed to take a posture on,” a source said.

[url]https://thebulletin.org/2020/04/declaring-victory-too-soon-lessons-from-europes-different-responses-to-coronavirus/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=MondayNewsletter04272020&utm_content=DisruptiveTechnology_VictoryTooSoon_04242020#[/url] ;

On March 16, the prime minister of the Netherlands, Mark Rutte, gave a televised speech to the nation in which he stated: “[We] can delay the spread of the virus and at the same time build up population immunity in a controlled manner.” He went on to say that “[The] bigger the group that acquires immunity, the smaller the chance that the virus can make the leap to vulnerable older people or people with underlying health issues” and added that “We have to realize that it can take months or even longer to build up group immunity, and during that time we need to shield people at greater risk as much as possible.”

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/why-belgium-has-europes-highest-covid-19-death-rate[/url] ;

Rather, the number is high because the country is counting deaths at nursing homes, even without a confirmed infection. 

There are growing gaps between statistics on deaths due to all causes and official tested Covid19 deaths. [url]https://www.rt.com/uk/487097-highest-death-toll-uk-1993-coronavirus/[/url] (see also [url]chrome-extension://bpmcpldpdmajfigpchkicefoigmkfalc/views/app.html[/url] ONS.GOV) ;

New figures released by the Office for National Statistics on Tuesday show that a total of 22,351 people died in the UK on the week ending 17 April 2020. This is the most deaths that occurred in any week since statisticians began compiling the figure 27 years ago. Staggeringly the grim statistic is 11,854 more than the five year average.

The stunning report also revealed that the death toll from Covid-19 in England and Wales was 35 percent higher than the figures announced by the government suggested.

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/health/second-wave-covid-19-pandemic-already-here-and-it-worse-first[/url]

Or perhaps it may be more accurate to say that the first wave has never ended.

If you go to the Johns Hopkins dashboard for this pandemic, you will notice that the global curve of confirmed cases has not “flattened” much at all even though much of the planet has been “locked down” for weeks.

And the antibody data is telling us that virtually the entire global population is still vulnerable.  According to the WHO, only 2 to 3 percent of the entire global population has developed antibodies for this virus…

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For those that believe that a vaccine will be the golden ticket that gets us out of this mess, I am afraid that you may be setting yourself up for disappointment.  There has never been a successful vaccine developed for any coronavirus, and one leading expert is openly warning that it is possible that “we will never get a coronavirus vaccine”.

And if things weren’t already complicated enough, now a new study has discovered that there are “at least 30 different variations” of COVID-19.

A new study in China has found that the novel coronavirus has mutated into at least 30 different variations.

The results showed that medical officials have vastly underestimated the overall ability of the virus to mutate, in findings that different strains have affected different parts of the world, leading to potential difficulties in finding an overall cure.

So not only do scientists have to come up with a successful vaccine for a coronavirus for the first time in history, they also have to hope that they are targeting the correct strain.

Good luck with all that.

Unfortunately, the truth is that this pandemic is going to be with us for a long time to come, and what we have experienced so far is just the very beginning of our problems.

Even if all of the lockdowns around the world were kept in place for the foreseeable future, this virus would continue to spread.

And in the long run, approximately the same number of people are going to catch this virus and approximately the same number of people are going to die no matter what restrictions are instituted.

This pandemic is not going to be over until COVID-19 roars through most of the population and herd immunity is achieved, and the numbers are telling us that we are a long, long way from that point.


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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJVXwzF93Qc&list=PLRgTUN1zz_oeQpnJxpeaEkFimDeepqyWf[/url] Peak Prosperity

- One in three Covid-cases are in the US (according to far from perfect statistics )-masks ! Statistics misused to claim-"no worse than the flu". Excess mortality in NYC =20.900 more deaths in one week (+4200 Covid cases missed). In the EU excess mortality is 50%.

-UK "Covid related inflamatory syndrome in children"

-How does Covid19 kill-rampage all over the body. Covid-toes and hives-"we are still learning" unseen pathogeen, clotting in one part unables stop bleeding elsewere

-ACE2 and CD147-T-cell link-virus can get in human cells in different ways (and reproduce there)-in young age more blood/humoral, older people more via cells (??? how Covid effects the body is still a complex study).

-When will life be normal again ? There is still that many unknowns (but the excess mortality numbers tell a lot), immunity 3 months ? 6 months ? Depending on how disease manifested itself

-Food chain (worldwide) under pressure, vaccine far away, virus may surprise us (in reinfections ?, how it effects the young ?)

PP will look further at the economy. Financial government/taxpayer money should be used to get food (milk, meat) to food banks not be thrown away. Also central banks in US, EU are helping the rich not the people....

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/visualizing-how-covid-19-consumer-spending-impacting-industries[/url]

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/if-what-new-normal-going-look-its-going-be-horrible[/url]

DJ-People need perspective...what will the future bring and when ? How will people react when they realize "old normal" never coming back ? Will they blame the-strong-government/rich or "blame the weak", minorities (as often during a crisis-we will find out soon enough who has limited defenses). 

We need to restart the economy-or some essential parts of it-without the R0 getting us in problems again. Social distancing and masks/screens on the workfloor should enable a lot. 

DJ [url]https://thesaker.is/what-would-it-take-for-proponents-to-say-the-great-lockdown-was-wrong/[/url] I do not agree with most he is writing-for now. But NPI/lockdowns have to bring good results-if we learn we are destroying the economy while not stopping the spread-should we have choosen the China/North Korea extreme approach ? Or allow those that want to shelter-in-place to do so-the best they can (work from home, NPI on work) and keep the economy going as best we can (problem is that that economy was bubble-based-on credit, unfair for most countries-one can claim it had to crash anyway.)

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ52lk9wjZI[/url] Lay down, Melanie & Edwin Hawkins singers live on Dutch TV in 1970


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[url]https://www.genealogieonline.nl/genealogie-familie-de-jager/R12198.php[/url] Central banks in both the US and EU rescue the "to big to fail" elite.

While Russia's cases of Covid19 are "out of control", Moscow becoming the next New York City [url]https://reason.com/2020/04/27/deaths-spike-in-new-york-city-and-around-the-world/[/url] Russia is claiming the US is pushing for an escalation in the Gulf [url]https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202004291079134697-russia-calls-on-us-and-iran-to-exercise-maximum-restraint-amid-escalating-tensions-in-persian-gulf/[/url] as a destrection for failing to deal with the Covid19 outbreak in the US. [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/04/to-finally-kill-the-nuclear-deal-with-iran-the-us-will-try-to-rejoin-it.html[/url]

[url]https://sputniknews.com/us/202004291079135253-us-secretary-of-state-mike-pompeo-claims-multiple-labs-in-china-are-working-on-contagious-pathogens/[/url] Will the US ask for activation of Art5 NATO claim "China bio-weapon attack on US"?

Russia may welcome a US escalation in the Gulf/Iran to push up oil-prices-and be able to blame the US. Russia and Iran are the biggest oil/energy exporters to China. Low oil prices are in Chinese interests not in the interests of Russia, US, Iran or Saudi Arabia, Qatar etc. 

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/04/turkeys-economic-troubles-give-putin-another-chance-to-squeeze-erdogan.html[/url]

Erdogan is pushing the Turkish economy into bankruptcy. The IMF is under US control-so Russia (or China) may be more interesting to save Turkey. (DJ-In return for Russian and/or Chinese loans closing US bases ? Getting out of NATO into Shanghai Cooperation Organization/EurAsian Economic Union [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation[/url] (Bejing)and [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Economic_Union[/url] (Moscow)(Than there is also the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Cooperation_Organization[/url] Turkey-Iran-Pakistan  started that in 1985-now [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Cooperation_Organization#Membership[/url])(Tehran)

The multipolar world may go for a fast ride due to the Corona-mega economic-crisis. 

[url]https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/netanyahu-confident-annexation-months-200426201133822.html[/url] and [url]https://southfront.org/israeli-military-buildup-near-golan-heights-follows-strikes-on-syrian-capital/[/url] Israel annexation of West Bank in return for support of US "peace plan" (to start further escalation with Iran-the US is isolating itself from the rest of the world)

The CIA/KSA "IS" now active in southern Africa [url]https://southfront.org/mozambican-forces-say-120-isis-linked-militants-killed-over-past-month/[/url] "to convert Mozambique oil to Islam "? (Of course the US is "willing to fight IS there also" they started both IS and Alqaida)



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Peak Prosperity [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VscMiksyfW4&list=PLRgTUN1zz_oeQpnJxpeaEkFimDeepqyWf[/url]

-Statistics/news from Brazil show major outbreak massive underreporting (DJ Excess Deaths statistics may give more info) lack of testing-summerweather does not stop the virus

-Remdesivir (DJ a 1000x the price of HCQ-good for profits-not for patients) "good test results"-no data, a (Lancet) China double blind study on Remdesivir showed no significant differences with the placebo. (DJ Sometimes a little bit better, sometimes a little bit worse-if you have thousends of patients and a limited-overstretched budget-go for the placebo -if it has any medical value!) (DJ-Does "dr"Fauci have shares in Giliad-producer of Remdesivir ?)

-In another test Remdesivir looked doing good-test duration was 15 days-in Lancet/China 28 day test results turned out to be the same for Remdesivir and placebo. Why no test on HCQ-zinc ? Questions on what phase people were when tested-early stage or later on. How does "recovery" look like-(lung-or other organ- damage ?)

-supplychains for meat to toiletpaper (iDJ-n the US) two different trajects-one is households the other for commercial use (offices, restaurants) when demand from households increase and commercial demand implodes (DJ-in the US) there is shortages for consumers while products for commercial-inploded- demand end up as garbage. (DJ-Maybe in some countries this two routes systems work that way. Wholesalers in NL managed to get in contact with the householdmarkets quite often-from opening their shops for all buyers to selling via the internet (in quantities that may be interesting when you have a large household or a big freezer).

Peak Prosperity calls it "bad managers" food banks facing an increase of demand while farmers kill their pigs let products rot on the land (DJ-just shocking !!!!) PP-10 billion$ for banks that produce nothings-why not 5 billion to food producers to feed all !

-UN World Food Programm people facing starvation/hunger around the globe may double in 2020 to 265 million. 

-PP-Why no realistic tests on HCQ ? Antivirals need to be used in early stages-only thing he can think of is money, profit-bad managers.....

DJ [url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/04/torrential-long-rains-from-kenya-to.html[/url] and [url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/04/noaa-is-claiming-2020-has-already-75.html[/url] % chance of being hottest year ever. 

Global food supply is coming under extreme pressure. Failing politicians [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-04-29/trump-threatens-china-seeking-160-billion-covid-19-reparationsafter-china-gold[/url] blame the WHO, China, Russia etc for their faillure-bring the world ever closer to major war. Making the situation far worse....

DJ-I would like to stay optimistic [url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/04/29/rutte-shopping-outing-closures-remain-may-20[/url] but it is getting hard to do so....Covid19 is killing thousends each day in the EU, US, Brazil, Russia, India-most never see testing. There are limits in testing-you may not have Covid19 when tested but get infected as soon as you leave the testing area. Even a lot of questions on re-infections or does the virus hide in the body ? 

We NEED an economy to have a health care system. We are on our way to the worst-worst case scenario-lockdowns during heatwaves, no access to food or bankaccount (or internet), global chaos...

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/truce-over-trump-considering-ways-punish-china-convinced-beijing-will-do-anything-make-him[/url] lose re-election.......insanity !

Humans are self-destructive-but it does not have to be that way.....

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/04/some-links-to-covid-19-reads.html[/url]

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DJ-US foreign policy in a nutshell; In a crisis rob a bank (=invade an oil rich country) in a big crisis rob a big bank (Iran ? Russia ? When will the US/NATO finally deal with the agression from Greenland ? They may have weapons of mass destructions-OK they are at Thule (US) Air Base). After the nazi's we got nato to liberate oil in the Soviet Union. Now it is Russia since 1990-but "Russian agression"did not stop.

Chinese agression in the South China Sea, Iran agression in the Persian Gulf, Venezuela agression....after Iraq, Libya, Syria....it is good the US/NATO peace loving governments deal with all that agression...

In case of a pandemic-blame China....

[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-claims-its-ready-to-use-nuclear-arsenal-despite-covid-19-outbreak/[/url],

[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-threatens-to-withdraw-military-from-saudi-arabia-over-oil-crisis-report/[/url]

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/yuan-crashes-after-trump-weighs-blocking-retirement-fund-access-chinese-stocks-war-words[/url]

Peak Prosperity-Something stinks [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwXM821iBrI[/url];

-HCQ works for patients but it is a 70 year old malaria medication-no profits

-Remdisevir works for profits of Gilead (Donald Rumsfeld)- so what will the US do ? It does not work for patients but who cares ?

-Plasma therapy (antibodies from infected patients) also effective for patients-not for profits

-"Independent scientists"at the NIH (9 out of 50) also work for Gilead

-numbers-Belgium leading the "deaths per million" (DJ because they include all suspected deaths-also without testing also from carecenters. Maybe Belgium is giving the most realistic number of deaths)

-China "only 22 new cases" but Harbin under lockdown (DJ [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbin[/url] is in NE China not that far from Russia and North Korea. South of Russian border, north of Korean border. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbin_Institute_of_Technology[/url] )

-South Korea reinfections are false positives (dead viral fragments giving a positive result-those dead viral parts can stay in the blood for months-do not cause illness)

-Deja Wu (PP-joke) viral parts can stay airborne-PP reported that in earl february but somehow MSM see it as "news"from time to time.

-HCQ can stop the spread of Covid19 (South Korea) or be used as prevention (Italy)

-tested deaths due to flu in the US is between 3448 and 15.620 per year. Up to 69.000 as the CDC statistics is "a model"

-Covid19 is clotting disease (low oxygen can cause euphoria-patient may feel good but be severely ill-blood thinners !!!

-28.45 THE ECONOMY 30 million US workers asking for unemployment benefit (DJ-unemployment in the US may be 40% but most do not get some official other income-so no registration) (PP-FED helping the rich 0.1%-stocks at 2019 level)

-Global economy effected (DJ but major regional differences for now) US FED creating 2.26 trillion $ in 6 weeks "out of nowere" (DJ-Only the beginning, addictive -this will put the world in chaos-the FED will not stop creating trillions=hyperinflation)

Conclusions: PP Fauci (DJ but also US/CDC) involved in gain-of-function research of Wuhan lab claiming Remdesivir "front line"medication may have "conflict of interests

US D- for dealing with crisis-not able to get farm products to food banks that needs those products now more than ever

DJ (also reminding [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwyDCHf5iCY&t=8s[/url] Dr. Devra Davis enviromental oncology Pittsburgh University cancer institute claiming she could not give the speech she gave in Australia in the US) The way the US is behaving is that destructive the best the rest of the world can try to do is distance itself the best they can. Trump is insane.

DJ-When you have to say that the "leader"of the largest (in some ways) economy and military is crazy you also have to realize the outcome can not be good. I hope "powers" in the US will contain the maniac-but those powers put that person also in that position. 

The US shows a third world response in this crisis-rest of the "rich countries" manage to do so much better. China and Russia have plans to get more global influence the EU, Canada, Latin America, Africa, India have to wake up. [url]https://www.rt.com/op-ed/487302-us-nuclear-war-more-likely/[/url]

To end this post in a positive way music from Leiria-Portugal [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6vZ0TLpRdk[/url]

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DJ-Several items;

[url]https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/why-us-outsourced-bat-virus-research-to-wuhan/[/url], [url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211257/Wuhan-lab-performing-experiments-bats-coronavirus-caves.html[/url] The Wuhan bio-lab was doing research paid for by the US (proberbly on virus from the US) since the US itself believed gain-of-function research in the US was to big a risk. 

[url]https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/04/22/why-post-coronavirus-america-will-have-massive-poverty/[/url]

[url]https://sputniknews.com/analysis/202004191079020506-cuban-biotech-to-the-rescue-the-story-of-a-potential-anti-covid-19-drug-told-by-one-of-its-creators/[/url]

[url]https://sputniknews.com/analysis/202004281079118230-why-covid-vaccination-triggers-anti-vaxxers-concerns-despite-soaring-coronavirus-cases--mortality/[/url]

[url]https://www.rt.com/newsline/487504-russia-coronavirus-rise-record/[/url]

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/05/01/mystery-child-illness-possibly-linked-coronavirus-also-netherlands[/url]

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/05/01/nurses-caregivers-mentally-exhausted-feel-pressured-work-unprotected[/url]

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/04/30/half-covid-19-icu-patients-form-blood-clots-study[/url]

[url]https://www.gelderlander.nl/wageningen/kijk-uit-voor-hamster-en-poes-huisdieren-kunnen-corona-oplopen-en-misschien-ook-overbrengen~ac21426e/[/url] (Wageningen University-hamsters, cats may not only catch Covid19-but maybe may be able to transfer it)

Also in Dutch news increasing mental health problems due to Covid19 (with less ways to provide help)-will be a global problem

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_and_Prevention[/url] plays a major international role and is also a major part of the WHO. [url]https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/fact-sheet/the-u-s-government-and-the-world-health-organization/[/url] As one of the US organizations in the WHO-top.

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DJ-Another "newsdump";

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/05/blaming-china-will-not-restore-american-exceptionalism-.html[/url]

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/association-american-physicians-says-trump-touted-drug-has-90-chance-helping-covid-19[/url]

In a letter to Gov. Doug Ducey of Arizona, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) presents a frequently updated table of studies that report results of treating COVID-19 with the anti-malaria drugs chloroquine (CQ) and hydroxychloroquine (HCQ, Plaquenil®).



To date, the total number of reported patients treated with HCQ, with or without zinc and the widely used antibiotic azithromycin, is 2,333, writes AAPS, in observational data from China, France, South Korea, Algeria, and the U.S.

Of these, 2,137 or 91.6 percent improved clinically.

There were 63 deaths, all but 11 in a single retrospective report from the Veterans Administration where the patients were severely ill.

The antiviral properties of these drugs have been studied since 2003. Particularly when combined with zinc, they hinder viral entry into cells and inhibit replication. They may also prevent overreaction by the immune system, which causes the cytokine storm responsible for much of the damage in severe cases, explains AAPS. HCQ is often very helpful in treating autoimmune diseases such as lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.

Additional benefits shown in some studies, AAPS states, is to decrease the number of days when a patient is contagious, reduce the need for ventilators, and shorten the time to clinical recovery.

Peer-reviewed studies published from January through April 20, 2020, provide clear and convincing evidence that HCQ may be beneficial in COVID-19, especially when used early, states AAPS. Unfortunately, although it is perfectly legal to prescribe drugs for new indications not on the label, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has recommended that CQ and HCQ should be used for COVID-19 only in hospitalized patients in the setting of a clinical study if available. Most states are making it difficult for physicians to prescribe or pharmacists to dispense these medications.

As the letter to Gov. Ducey notes,

“Many nations, including Turkey and India, are protecting medical workers and contacts of infected persons prophylactically. According to worldometers.info, deaths per million persons from COVID-19 as of Apr 27 are 167 in the U.S., 33 in Turkey, and 0.6 in India.”

After Morocco and Algeria began using HCQ, a trend break and sharp reduction in their COVID-19 case fatality rate occurred.

Vaccines and results of randomized double-blind controlled trials of new drugs are at best months away. But patients are dying now, while affordable, long-used drugs would be available except for government restrictions, AAPS states.

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) has represented physicians of all specialties in all states since 1943. The AAPS motto is omnia pro aegroto, meaning everything for the patient.



...time for Twitter and Facebook to ban/block/suspend more of America's physicians and surgeons...

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/dozens-patients-wuhan-have-developed-chronic-coronavirus-infections[/url]

A few weeks ago, we reported on several Reddit threads where COVID-19 patients from around the world - many of them young men - shared their struggles with a virus that they just couldn't seem to shake. Some patients who were six or seven weeks post-confirmation (meaning they probably had contracted the virus two months earlier, or possibly even longer) complained of symptoms coming back in waves, while others complained that they were still testing positive for the virus weeks after their symptoms disappeared.

Though rare, these cases have alarmed researchers who fear that some patients might become chronic carriers of the virus. And the scientists leading China's response to the outbreak are particularly concerned about dozens of apparently chronic patients in Hubei who still haven't cleared the virus, even as the region - which was bolted shut during the outbreak crisis - slowly reopens to the outside world.

According to Chinese business newswire Caixinmore than 30 patients in Hubei Province have seemingly recovered from COVID-19, but continue to test positive, said Jiao Yahui, an inspector at the National Health Commission, in an April 24 interview with the state broadcaster.

Typically, patients infected with COVID-19 will test negative on nucleic acid throat swabs roughly 20 days after detection. However, for a small number of patients, throat swabs will produce positive tests for more than 40 days. Some patients are still producing positive swabs, despite being infected in the first wave of patients.

Of course, the existence of patients who still test positive raises the question of whether they are still infectious. It's certainly possible that these tests might be picking up errant pieces of genetic material leftover from the infection, but it's also possible that the virus could have burrowed deep enough to become chronic, though, as scientists say, that's not 'typical' behavior for a naturally occurring coronavirus.

Hold that thought.

Scientists say there's "little possibility" that humans can be lifelong carriers of this virus. But it's not impossible.

Whatever the reality might be, infectious disease experts in China are recommending that these patients be kept in isolation in what we imagine has become a singularly hellish experience for these unfortunate patients.

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DJ-The good news in Covidcases is that some forms of treatment may work. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine[/url] may provide some protection in (most under 40) younger people.

Bad news-from permanent infections to starting world war 3, blaming China claiming a "bio-weapon attack" (China claims the virus came from the US in october 2019 during [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Military_World_Games[/url] held in Wuhan 18-27 october. By the way [url]http://www.chinaww2.com/2015/09/16/the-us-firebombing-of-wuhan-part-2/[/url] US bombed Wuhan in december 1944 killing over 40.000 people.)

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/health/there-no-exit-covid-19-only-containment[/url],

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/new-coronavirus-study-claims-outbreak-will-last-longer-2-years-23rds-humanity-infected[/url] (23rds =2/3rds-the infectionrate is open for debate-but may not be the main issue since the damage will be that major...)

Peak Prosperity [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6y8dlhoMpo&list=PLRgTUN1zz_oeQpnJxpeaEkFimDeepqyWf[/url]

-numbers both Latin America (Peru, Chili, Brazil) and Arab World (KSA, UAE, Qatar) sharp increase. China reporting looks non-sense. Diamond Princess still having over 50 (some serious) cases-after 3 months !

-Where did the virus came from ? (DJ-Gain of function research has been controversial for a long time. We have that kind of research in NL as well-in my opinion finding out how many steps it may take for a virus to become a major pandemic risk in itself is needed-but there have been that many accidents you should not put that kind of virus in animals. In Wuhan the US NIH was doing-by working with (also) Chinese scientists-research of gain-of-function in bat-corona-virus. It looks like a joint US-China project that went wrong.)

PP-summary;

One of the more acutely-asked questions since the covid-19 pandemic broke out has been: Is the virus man-made? Debate on the matter has been wild and furious. After much investigation, Chris is now chiming in on the heels of an explosive Newsweek report. Newsweek reveals that as recently as last year, the US funded scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in 'gain of function' research on bat coronaviruses. The source of that funding? The National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Disease, headed by.....(drumroll please)....Dr Anthony Fauci, lead medical expert for America's Covid-19 task force. Now, this doesn't mean the virus was lab-engineered as a bio-weapon. But it does suggest a naturally-occuring bat virus could have been artificially accelerated along certain vectors. Of course, this raises an awfully lot of urgent and important questions. So far, Fauci has not commented on the Newsweek report. But we will be keeping close tabs on developments from here...

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[url]https://gulfnews.com/world/europe/covid-19-russia-reports-almost-10000-new-virus-cases-1.1588414836969[/url] Moscow mayor claims 2% of population-over 250.000 test positive on Covid19 (DJ extrapolation of statistics ? [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/[/url] in official numbers only 125.000 cases tested positive in all Russia)

Can dogs smell Covid19 infection ? [url]https://gulfnews.com/world/how-dogs-are-being-trained-to-sniff-out-covid-19-1.1588222017995[/url]

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/health/fauci-links-virus-lab-leaks-newsweek-report-raises-urgent-important-questions[/url]Peak Prosperity on Zero Hedge

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/brace-monday-massacre-buffett-liquidates-all-airline-holdings-hints-berkshire-remains[/url] and [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-05-01/next-financial-crisis-global-debt-bomb-being-primed-go[/url] DJ-Of course the bubble-debt based global economy would have to implode anyway

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/key-findings-leaked-government-dossier-china-bat-virus-program[/url]DJ-China called the outbreak a hoax-sounds familiar [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinas-exploiting-covid-19-pandemic-expand-asia[/url] DJ-Of course the New Silk Road plans are much older than Covid19.....

Dr.John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRmt78mAKfg[/url] on global risks (DJ-more info below the video-but pulling the line to the expected 3.4 million (most untested) deaths for the end of this may is shocking. Of course Dr. J.C (and PP many others) did see this pandemic coming in january. The focus should be on damage control-but "bad managers" (PP) start a blame-game that can makes things much worse. DJ Worst-worst case scenario is global foodcrisis/starvation and global war-end of life-it is a CHOICE but a very bad one.)

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/05/some-covid-19-science.html[/url] much good info

From [url]https://www.facebook.com/pepe.escobar.77377[/url] putting a genetic code in human cells and than HOPE the body will make Covid19-antibodies (for the next generations-it is changing human DNA) (may2 post)

HERE’S YOUR ROAD MAP TO BE TURNED INTO A GMO

VERY IMPORTANT UPDATE

Robert F. Kennedy Jr has come up with another incendiary Instagram post.

But first let’s start with Moderna.

https://www.cnbc.com/…/moderna-could-begin-manufacturing-un…

So Moderna, based in Cambridge, Massachusetts, wants to start manufacturing an UNNAPROVED coronavirus vaccine “as early as July,” according to their CEO Stephane Bancel.

The vaccine is called mRNA-1273. There are “HOPES” (caps mine) that it proves safe for humans – not to mention effective against Covid-19. So get down on your knees and pray. God, not science, will decide.

Phase 1 "human trials" of the vaccine began in the Seattle area already on March 3.

Guess who shrieked like a cheerleader at the time: that's right, Sinister Fauci – who, in thesis, is not a Big Pharma goon but the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

Big Pharma has no less than 80 different vaccines being developed.

But Bill “Mini-Malthus” Gates and Fauci’s baby is really Moderna’s.

THE "FRANKENSTEIN JAB"

Bobby Kennedy Jr memorably defines this vaccine as the “Frankenstein jab” – using a “new, untested and very controversial experimental RNA technology” backed by Mini-Malthus Gates for a decade now.

The Frankenstein jab amounts to a very small piece of coronavirus genetic code plugged into human cells, altering the DNA throughout a human body and “reprogramming our cells to produce antibodies.”

As RFK Jr correctly states, this is no holds barred GENETIC ENGINEERING – called “germ line gene editing”.

And it does not stop there: Moderna’s genetic alterations are PASSED DOWN TO FUTURE GENERATIONS.

Moderna NEVER brought a product, whatever product to the market. They NEVER engaged in clinic trials. And they NEVER had a vaccine previously approved.

Mini-Malthus put A LOT of money into Moderna. Still, they were about to go BANKRUPT when Covid-19 miraculously appeared – and they received key support from Sinister Fauci.

This “support” translated into $483 MILLION in federal funds last month, facilitated by the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority to “accelerate” the development of a vaccine.

Shares of Moderna rose more than 15% on the news.

Here's former NIH scientist Dr. Judy Mikovits – who’s all over the net:

“MRNA can cause cancers and other dire harms that don't surface for years”.

No wonder Fauci directed that ALL Covid-19 vaccines should be protected by BLANK IMMUNITY. They may kill you, but we have nothing to do with it.

On his blog, this Thursday, Mini-Malthus Gates said that, “You essentially turn your body into its own vaccine manufacturing unit.”

As RFK Jr sums it all up, Mini-Malthus wants to sell what is a de facto experimental, UNTESTED gene-altering technology “to all 7 billion humans and transform our species into GMOs.”

There WILL be pushback, big time, all over the world.

 

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testing with colors

Remdesivir is the case I always thought would come. A drug of dubious use, but it's in patent, and costs a lot. The campaign against hydroxychloriquine was always because it's cheap and out of patent, and worse, made by the French.

https://gulfnews.com/world/report-the-covid-19-pandemic-could-last-up-to-two-years-1.1588418014664[/url][url]

Scenarios - how will it play out

Scenario 1

The first scenario that the experts put forward in what the pandemic will look like sees this wave as the biggest infection wave, which could be followed by smaller waves of infection throughout summer. The first scenario assumes a gradual diminishing of the infections by 2021.

Scenario 2

The second scenario, if it happens, could mean that the worst is yet to come. The experts expect in this scenario that the infection wave will return stronger in fall (autumn) or winter in 2020, followed by one or more smaller waves in 2021. The researchers add: "This pattern is similar to what was seen with the 1918-19 pandemic."

Scenario 3

In this scenario the experts believe it is possible that the first wave of COVID-19 in spring 2020 is followed by a “slow burn” of ongoing transmission and case occurrence, but without a clear wave pattern. This scenario has no precedence in past influenza pandemics, however, could be a possible future for COVID-19 the experts found.

In all three scernarios, the pandemic is expected to last up to two years and well into 2021. The experts concluded, "As the pandemic wanes, it is likely that SARS-CoV-2 will continue to circulate in the human population and will synchronize to a seasonal pattern with diminished severity over time"

Dr. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, recently declared the anti-viral drug remdesivir as a "standard of care" based on unpublished trials. But the judgment was sketchy and has come under question as it seems that the government moved the goalposts to achieve this outcome:

Instead of counting how many people taking the drug were kept alive on ventilators or died, among other measures, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said it would judge the drug primarily on a different outcome: how long it took surviving patients to recover.

Death and other negative outcomes were moved to secondary measure status: They would still be tracked, but they would no longer be the key measure of remdesivir’s performance. The switch — which specialists said is unusual in major clinical trials but not unheard of — was publicly disclosed on the government’s clinicaltrials.gov website on April 16 but did not receive much attention at the time.
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“It raises a lot of flags, and it requires a lot of answers,” Walid F. Gellad, a professor of health policy and management at the University of Pittsburgh’s Department of Medicine, said in an interview, “especially when people start saying it’s become the standard of care, and all we saw was a news release in a trial with an outcome that was changed two weeks ago. It really is striking."

A Chinese double blind study of remdesivir, previously published in Lancet, had come to the conclusion that the drug had no statistically noticeable influence on the length of recovery and the outcome.

One wonders how much White House influence was used to push that drug. White House influence may also have been used in this ventilator acquisition that was paid for but never delivered.

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DJ-Let me start in a positive way-music [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJHSVQ8WC6I&t=16s[/url] young singers, good orchestra from Leiria-north of Lisbon Portugal. Music from Henry Purcell 1659-1695. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Purcell[/url] The UK did see (civil) war, great fire of London, the plague etc-still a.o. this music was composed. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_England#17th_century[/url]

Our times. Yesterday [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRmt78mAKfg[/url] Dr. John Campbell had his story on global dangers based on [url]https://www.rescue.org/press-release/irc-world-risks-1-billion-cases-and-32-million-deaths-covid-19-across-fragile[/url]..

I think Dr.J.C. was "a bit optimistic" still hoping for international cooperation. Why ?

-Once the virus spreads in "poor countries" were most people live-often much younger than in the western world-there are "no limits".

-NPI/lockdowns do not work-communication is often a problem, no running water, food problems, often weak government to begin with

-Underlying healthissues are widespread from HIV, TB to diabetes, hearthproblems hypertension

-One result is that the virus will adapt to this new enviroment. (Some claim slow mutation of the Covid19-RNA others there are already over 30 strains). This virus will interact with other diseases and this mix can be an even larger danger

-The virus also will adapt to the younger age group

-And of course that virus will not stay in "poor countries" even with very strict (and deadly) border control

A hard part is that some "leaders" welcome the dead of Indians in the rain forests-keeping the elite from cutting down trees, mining. Some "leaders" welcome "limiting the number of poor people". [url]https://www.scmp.com/news/world/americas/article/3082282/brazils-coronavirus-deaths-surge-mass-graves-are-dug-and[/url] (DJ-This link also has a video showing people standing in long lines-no social distancing-to get government help out of ATM's.  Death squads may be using the situation to deal with opponents and dump them in mass graves. How Burma/Miyamar will deal with the Muslim minority, KSA with the Shia-minority, what is the US doing to stop "disproportionate deaths" in "non-whites", Russia and EU in migrant workers-often without income with no way to go home.)

DJ-Basic statistics so far suggest infection in over 50% may only show no or light symptoms. In the rich countries 20% of "tested cases" need hospital care (5% ICU). "Mild cases" may see pneumonia but often can not go to an already overcrowded hospital. In the poor countries healthcare only can do a little-most likely will see Health Care Workers getting infected or running away. The Case Fatality Ratio will be much higher. When all of a family or village gets infected a basic family/village-care system (providing water, some washing, food) may be overrun.  

The Corona-crisis is not the same thing for all [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/no-we-are-not-all-in-the-same-boat-with-the-covid-19-outbreak[/url] it will most likely hit the poor much harder than it will hit the rich. The rich have better means of protection-can escape, if infected get the best of care. 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/coronavirus-will-make-mirage-saudi-arabias-vision-2030[/url] and [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-faces-economic-reckoning-covid-19-turns-world-against-globalisation[/url]

Of course the Covid19 pandemic comes on top of problems like climate crisis, economic collapse, oil, water, industrial-sand wars. We most likely will be moving much closer to "major wars". If not a US attack on Iran and/or China further escalation of wars in the Middle East, Africa, Latin America to steal its resources now those nations can not defend themselves. The US, China, Russia, EU-countries, India (etc) will try to "improve positions". 

In the "rich countries" of course "news" will even get "better managed" MSM even more propaganda. All protests "stopped" or "controlled". 

Good news is that New Zealand, Surinam, Iceland, etc may get this outbreak under control-at present see no new cases. But for the global picture-with very limited chances for a vaccine-better chances for treatment if there is money to pay for it-people that can provide it-the outlook is dark-we are just in the beginning. China is not open on Harbin, Russia see cases exploding. North Korea, Iran ???? What about children and Covid19-Germany had plans to reopen schools now on new data stopped those plans. 

Re-infection most often may be dead virus-parts-not the best of tests, but there seem to be chronic cases, people ill for over three months ?  Reports of infected animals are very limited-but it is a major risk (you do not want the virus infecting bats-being eaten further spreading the virus).

Economic damage is extreme-worst is still to come. Expences for healthcare, unemployment, surveilance, write-off on bad debts going up-incomes at best 50% of normal means most countries see their debts exploding. [url]https://commodity.com/debt-clock/[/url] (DJ-Of course the question is who owes who and why ? Do we want to decide 0.1% of the world owns almost all ? It is a choice but a bad choice).

(Warren Buffet is selling stocks with massive losses-since he expects to be able to buy  other stocks at even lower prices. Of course only investing in stocks of companies that buy-back their own stocks with government QE money. This is how taxpayers pay to create a further extreme inbalance and-later on-hyperinflation. ) 


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DJ-The blame game [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/perfect-storm-trump-administration-turbocharging-deglobalization-restart-trade-war[/url], [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/chinese-report-warns-potential-war-us-over-coronavirus-backlash[/url]

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/05/as-death-toll-increases-blame-china-campaign-intensifies.html[/url] DJ-MoA also claim there is no evidence for "lab related incident". For the US this is an election year. With expected new cases in US 200.000 per day [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/images10/cdcprocases.jpg[/url] and 3000 deaths per day in June [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/images10/cdcprodeath.jpg[/url]-there are "political reasons" for distraction. 

(DJ-These charts and numbers are shocking. Not only for the numbers-also for the duration-looks it only will worsen-the global picture in "poor countries" will be even far worse. The economic consequences a nightmare. Europe is preparing reopening on a large scale but on a global scale we are only at the beginning of a pandemic worse than the Spanish flu. )

There is another video on the situation in NYC [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/icu-nurse-in-nyc-covid-19-patients-being-medically-mis-managed-murdered[/url] the US health care system in lots of places may be at breaking point already. The will to go for NPI/lockdowns is becoming less (also related with income situation-companies facing banktruptcy, people losing housing-but also you need a working economy to have a working health care system)

Peak Prosperity [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZUJhKUbd0k[/url] (summary below the video)

-On may 1 PP reported (Newsweek story) US paid for the Wuhan lab gain-of-function-research on bat-corona-virusses

-Covid19/SARS-CoV-2 virus in its abillity to enter cells for infection is much different than close other Corona-virusses

-Covid19 has an "insert" that enables that easy access to cells-(PP claim not a mutation. DJ-I remember Henry Niman-recombinomics claiming DNA/RNA strings could "mix" so not a mutation but a recombination. It does not need to be a lab-job-as far as I can tell-in theory. But "working with virusses" has been done a lot in the US, Japan, NetherLands -latest study 2019 in Bejing/China-most likely many other countries that have high security bio-labs.) Virologists involved with these kind of (very dangerous) studies claim it is "natural".

-Virologists (in the US ) claim they are not able to create this kind of virusses while they have been doing that for years. (DJ-From friday may 1 PP/Newsweek the US outsourced this kind of research to China for its risks. Dangerous virusses (etc) escaped from time to time-most likely some kinds of research may not be possible in the US stem cells, embryo). An escape is something different than active spreading the virus.

PP-He will not go further in this story-intentional insertion gain-of-function study that went wrong (US paid/US study in China)

(DJ Scientists made a monster and do not want to be responsible for that ?)

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-WjTdmwKjA[/url] Dr. John Campbell global may 4 update (basic info under video is part 2 of his may 4 update-all together one hour ! DJ-It would be nice if they could limit the story to the essentials. I try to limit my story.)

[url]https://www.facebook.com/pepe.escobar.77377[/url] Pepe Escobar IMF list on largest economies in 2019;

1=China, 2=US, 3=India (would be the EU with UK if it was a country) 4=Japan 5=Russia 6=Germany 7=Indonesia 8=Brazil 9=UK 10=France 11=Mexico 12=South Korea 13=Turkey 14=Italy 15=KSA (Kingdom of Saudi Arabia) but [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)[/url] gives another picture this one is on GDP/PPP [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)[/url] PPP=[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity[/url]

DJ-I am not that interested in "where did it came from" much more interested in "how to get out" . When politicians start a blame-game it indicates to me "they are out of control". And that is bad news. I had some hope at least in the EU, some parts of Asia we may be over the hardest zone of this pandemic. But looking at global and US story-no hope left for the short term...It could be reasonable to asume that antibodies may provide protection for up to one (1) year, in a very good scenario both treatment and vaccins will be available on a large enough scale to make a difference.

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DJ Some questions I have on some of the things above.

-How likely is a war with China ? Most countries in EurAsia are not waiting for a war but some sort of a "new normal". Even China-that profits from low energy prices as the #1 energy importer in the world-would prefer "higher normal energy prices" because that would enable China to export products. 

Russia and Iran are close Chinese allies-they fit in China's plan for a more global role. Both are exporting energy to China. There is also the China-Pakistan-Economic Corridor. Pakistan-a more or less former US ally-now working more and more with China. Turkey is another "new" partner-making "TIP" Turkey-Iran-Pakistan they all need Chinese investments for a troubled economy. 

The US would like to see India as a partner. India did not forget the long-term US role in Pakistan. The US friendship with Saudi Arabia, Gulf States. A lot of the problems India has with its 200 million Muslims is caused by Gulf State funded wahabist/salafist extremists. India is working with Iran (in Baluchistan-not far from Pakistan) in a large scale energy export project. Traditionaly India has good relations with Russia. Both Russia and Iran can provide energy at low cost-US (LNG) will stay much more expensive-also transport by ship in stead of pipelines is more expensive. 

For growth of their economies China and India are looking at EurAsia. The tarrif wars, breaking of international treaties by the US make the US not "the best partner".

Also Korea expects more from Russia and China-in Vladivostok the basic was laid for talks on "de-escalation" in Korea. Asia as a market-with 4 billion consumers is more interesting for both (South) Korea and Japan than the US market. (already over credited-involved in endless conflicts). 

With a growing food crisis China is looking at Europe and Africa, Latin America. They welcome China as a client. 

From that perspective China has nothing to gain by war. 

The other perspective is the South China Sea conflict with a lot of countries (Viet Nam, Phillipines, Taiwan, Indonesia and most of all the US). Most countries want to make a deal with China. Joint exploration in return for accepting Chinese rule in that area may be the best they can get. 

The US want to claim the Pacific as "their Ocean". Australia may be backing that idea-for some time. Taiwan is another problem. 

Chinese actions can escalate-because the US is seeking escalation. Also North Korea, Iran may push China into a war they do not want. A US attack on Iran, North Korea is unacceptable for both Russia and China (and a lot of countries). 

Looking at recent history the problem is the US starting wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Syria. The US goal was to "control Asia"-but it is a big faillure. 

-CDC numbers. Looking at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/[/url] were do the 200.000 new cases/3000 deaths in the US for june come from ? I do not get that-numbers more or less look stabilized-is it what the CDC expects to be the result of lifting NPI/Lockdown ? The situation with over 20.000 new cases/over a 1000 deaths per day now is bad. 

In a re-election year and now dealing with mass unemployment-Trump would have preferred another picture. The picture I (DJ) am getting is "everything in the US has become "political"-and that is not healthy at all. 

If all research, fact finding, intelligence only is for a "political fight" in stead of finding solutions you are sinking in a deep swamp. 

Around the globe in many countries the pandemic is getting worse-not better. There will be a spil-over from those countries. The "poor" countries will have to pay for help from richer countries-and it does not matter if that rich country is the US, EU, China or India-they all want something in return. And the poor countries are not in a position to negotiate, make "best deals". It is a live-or-die situation. 

I can only hope the worst of this pandemic soon will be behind us-we are still in a global health emergency. 

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Peak Prosperity [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFCMZZKFE4w[/url]

-Excess deaths tell the story on how deadly this Covid 19 is-NPI worked (US 1/3 of all global tested cases, 4,3% of global population)

-Mutation occuring making Covid19 evade antibody reaction (creating risk of re-infection D614 became G614 "fools" human antibody response)

-G-type dominant over (older ?) D-type (all of Covid cases in Italy G-type) G-type spreads more easy-overwhelmes healthcare=more fatalities G-type gives also higher viral load.

-As example two 35 year old women (US, Australia), a 32y/o man suffering for months-different test results (DJ could they be infected by both forms of Covid19 ? Or does the virus hide in the body-you think you recover-and than hits again ?)

-PP Try not to catch it and plant a (food)garden !

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3Aq7ogLA7w[/url] PP Economic update

-In the US 30 million jobless claims in just 6 weeks 79% of companies want less employees after Covid19

-US-GDP estimate for Q2 =-27.7%-survey shows most companies expect recovery at best mid 2021

-Effects showing in drop in sales of houses (cars etc. )

-Total assets on FED balance sheet grew with 2.26 trillion in 6 weeks (April 22 total 6.57tn)-buying stocks

DJ-In the discussion "bubbles are irrational" "the market looks ahead" blah-blah-it is the FED buying stocks ! I lost my patience=byby !

Essential part is we do need an economy to have a healthcare system.

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/health/coronavirus-mutates-now-dominant-more-contagious-form-doctors-ponder-east-coast-vs-west[/url] is discussing the same mutations (14 mutations in 6000 samples) as PP. "If the virus does not wind down during summer we may see more mutations" (DJ-Bad news-only way to deal with that is restart essential parts of economy-food production, healthcare on social distancing/educated mask-use basis. Schools etc can be done from a distance. We may be in a crisis for a long time. Yesterday NYP-CDC numbers for US daily 200.000 new cases/3000 deaths in june (with models expecting numbers to go up-not down) calls for a clever plan with wide public support (and not only in the US). The basics for someone coming up with such plans is simply not there. (Blame China-restart the economy-lunacy)

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/we-ask-help-it-never-comes-dead-are-left-rot-then-buried-mass-graves-coronavirus-overwhelms[/url]Brazil 

Brazil is "reopening" while the number of cases explode-other countries fear the second wave may come from Brazil. DJ-Ethnic cleansing by bolsonaro-fascists-killing the poor in the millions-on purpose. "Western media" may be blind, have forgotten the 80's with in some countries Indians being killed in slaughterhouses on an industrial level. 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-get-ready-next-game-changer-gold-backed-digital-yuan[/url]

DJ-What better moment to get rid of the US-petro-dollar and replace it with a gold backed Yuan ? 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/rabobank-how-not-front-page-news[/url]

DJ-A gold backed Yuan, Russia and China taking over OPEC what more reasons does the US need to start world war three ? 

The "China-bio-weapon attack on NATO countries" could be used as an excuse. Starting a war with China means also war with Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba (etc). the only possible reason would be a US collapsing under Covid19 mismanagement. 

Let me end with some good Dutch music-Earth & Fire Seasons [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnUaklia04c[/url]


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Quote PP Try not to catch it and plant a (food)garden !

Now that the weather is fine, I am having to scale back my checking in on what the coronavirus is doing, and make sure my garden gets planted....I will be far, far from self-sufficient in food but it will be a little help, and when the sun shines I can stock up on my Vit-D as I potter around.

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Edwin SM-I (DJ) am not very succesfull in gardening, even tomatoes do not grow....

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/05/there-is-no-glory-in-prevention.html[/url] DJ-You do not win elections by a lockdown that works-people claim the risk was not real. 

[url]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD2-QVBQi48RRQTD4Jhxu8w[/url] Peak Prosperity-Covid19 not natural (?)

-feed back (this time from Canada), people find info usefull keeps PP going...

-UK hit worst, passing Italy-excess deaths even far worse (some media claim cases overcount-in fact major undercount)-most of cases/deaths could/should be prevented

-Autopsy Basel University Hospital clotting in small bloodvessels stops blood flowing-organ faillure (in 21 autopsies)

(DJ also explains why high bloodpressure and tube-in-lung/high pressure is bad deal) Early intervention is best.

-HCQ in Madrid-Spain effective in light hospitalized cases (48% that did not get HCQ died, 22% that did get HCQ died) (In the US expensive remdesivir "promoted" while not doing a lot-science-for-sale) HCQ in France/Marseille retrospective study-far from perfect but (cheap-old) HCQ works. (French study unclear Chris Martenson did not have enough time to read all studies)-young average age 43 y/o)

-In 2005 (H)CQ found to be effective against SARS

DJ-One of the reasons why the US is doing this bad on Covid19 is not using HCQ (because some people do not like trump-"keep politics out of hospitals as best as you can ! Also keep corruption away from care if possible, Remdesivir is NOT effective enough to be #1 if you have a (1000 times) cheaper 70 y/o HCQ treatment that does work. ) 

From 23.10 Covid man made/manipulated ? 

- SARS CoV-2 versus RaTG13 study (RaTG out of 2013 why only finding it published in january 2020 ?) fake ? RaTG13 "paper virus" to explain for Covid19 ? (Otherewise no close link with other Coronavirus (??? DJ-Why then call it SARS-2 ? I may not have the knowledge to judge on this.)

- Development (in E-protein) in april showed a different pattern than you would expect/unusual sort of mutations

(DJ-Experts can use this kind of info to draw conclusions; 1 on if this virus is natural or not and 2 if this virus is natural what the risks may be other virusses "go wild"??? It does not convince me Covid19 was man-made-I don't know-could be.)

-Vitamin D study (New)Delhi-India low VitD=severe outcome

-Masks ! (NL from june 1 you need a mask in publc transport)

-people get unsubscribed by youtube when they subscribe on PP. (google, youtube, twitter, facebook what are you doing ?)

Paul Beckwith [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E8ka3Y4TII[/url] our "climate niche"is shifting away. 

We need certain temperatures/conditions to grow food, be able to live-climate change is speeding up making those conditions less secure.

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/biblical-wave-bankruptcies-about-flood-us[/url] DJ Global economic backlash will be extreme.

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/20-years-putin[/url] "blame Putin", "blame China" "blame Iran" "blame North Korea"-is not helping.

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-readies-unveiling-stealth-nuclear-bomber-capable-reaching-la[/url]

DJ-If the US wants a major war it can get a major war. The (very limited) picture I have Russia is doing better in hypersonic weapons (mach 6 to 30=6 to 30 times the speed of sound= more or less 6000 to 30.000 km/h weapons). Also Russia has been able to make for instance anti-tank weapons that "perform better" than US weapons at only 5% of the cost of those US weapons. 

The US may be spending-by far-most on "defense"/war but a lot ends up in corruption (like the F35/JSF also NL did by-how many people in NL did get bribed. Corruption is a global problem-specialy when budgets are high, limited knowledge/public control. )

DJ-Lots of countries now lifting all kind of restrictions to limit Covid19-often (to) early. Economic consequences are already extreme-only will get much worse if there would be a second wave. (Summer weather may bring more people out-of-the-house, raise Vitamin D but Brazil, Middle East indicates that may not make a major difference. )

Russia-China, or "Asia" is taking over domination of the globe from "the west" (or US-EU, NATO). In my opinion the US is not dealing with this in a clever way. If you can not stop it (with 4 billion people in Asia) find the best way to deal with it (trade !-US$ could still be usefull for global trade). Bad policies from the past-outsourcing of US jobs to Asia-in the 90's-trade defecit with China you can not solve with wars. 

A possibility could be "the west" (US-EU and maybe some other countries) creating a closed market for lots of products-limiting "free trade". (Of course that is not "honest" goes against western ideology-may not be working for ever-but is better than (trade)wars you can not win.  Going for "cheap labor" but then finding out lotst of costs come later makes "cheap labor" very expensive. At the bottemline of course is-who runs the country ? Big companies or the people ? In who's interest is globalization ? 



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DJ-Some thoughts ;

-If some individuals in Italy would sue their own government and the Chinese government for neglect-letting the Covid19 virus out of China into Italy maybe it would become clear what the legal position of an individual is. What are the responsabilities of countries in virus-control ? Could and should countries have done more to protect citizens ?

(There is a try for collective trial against some Ischl-Austria by over 4500 people that went on ski-holliday there and got infected by employees that were infected and still working. People want justice-compensation-financial-will be impossible.)

-Even when there is a 100% proof-by impartial experts-China did create the virus (maybe as bio-weapon, maybe by order of the US that did outsource this rsky research to the Wuhan-bio-lab) there are limits in what you can do with this knowledge. Stop that kind of very risky research maybe the best-eventhough the bio-lab was started (with help a.o. from France) to deal with SARS-like virusses. 

-We in the west (etc) did mis-use time twice in the west. We could have seen this virus coming from january-2020. Some intelligence already knew of it in november 2019.  But "we"did not do enough to stop it. But also during the outbreak we did not think of a "new normal" instead it looks like we will repeating the old mistakes as soon as we can. (Just like after the banking crisis the same mistakes again being made-are we not learning a thing from what happens ?)

Worse-the income imbalance may even get more extreme with only a very small group of people claiming to own almost everything. 

People in poor countries have better access to mobile phones and coca-cola than toilets, healthcare, education and good housing. Profit above humans is still the widespread credo. We are creating further disasters that will even larger, more deadly (climate change, electric polution-both denied by those that produce them-and have the money and with that the power.)

-Most of us did have more time to reflect on what is important in life. But are we willing and able to put that in action ? Do we realy want to be "best consumers" -doing jobs most of us hate to spent money on products we do not need and harm us ? Do we need that car that pollutes, eats money and makes your neighboorhood look like a parkingspace with houses on it ? Do we need "smart-phones" to be connected 24/7 with people that may not be our best friends-keep us away from them-and create a big-brother surveilance state we claim we do not want. (There is no need for nano-chips in vaccines-as soom claim-most of us do that job "voluntarely")

-We are not out of problems. Even if the virus is slowing down-and the best option-disappears-the economic backlash is unseen. There seems to be no plan on how to deal with that-at best some taxpayers money for some bussinesses to survive-that is it-no vision or plan. "The market" has to do the job-while "that market"is funded by central banks. We keep believing we have a "market-economy" even when we know that is an illusion (that we pay for). 

-Politics has become even more a "rich men's game"-democracy an illusion. But most of the public prefers to live in that illusion eventhough it is damaging and killing them (in wars, bad-jobs, obesity, pandemics). The outcome of this trajectory will be even further accumulation of wealth by a tiny few. We can not survive this way.

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DJ-Two reminders;

1-We do still not know that much of Covid19 (and its many forms)-possible infections in children, lack of testing means we are-still-almost blind.

2-Just look at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] on a global scale-with major underreporting-this virus still is out of control.

In my opinion we need to reopen the economy for essentials only in the safest way possible. Tele-school/work, social distancing will need to be basic for the coming two years if we want to get some control on the virus. 

Peak Prosperity with (a.o.) the good news some forms of treatment (HCQ, bloodthinners, vitamins etc) look hopefull-it may be the other part of how to deal with Covid-19. Try not to get it and if you get it find out as soon as possible-give the best of care-try to keep the number of serious cases as low as you can. The Germany-approach-with a large ICU capacity.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1723Bkv_Kk&list=PLRgTUN1zz_oeQpnJxpeaEkFimDeepqyWf[/url]

-anticoagulants (against clotting) seems to be effective with intubated patients. (Without mortality 62.7% died-with anticoagulants 29.1% died). Mount Sinai-US

-Pepcid/famotidine [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famotidine[/url]  also seems to be working to some degree both in the US and China (deaths 14% with, 27% without) 6212 (severe)patients 

-Selenium improves cure-rate (vitamin D etc-studies on large groups-learning by doing)

-Masks/NPI can keep numbers low, isolate infected away from their home-countries now have the statistics/results on different ways of dealing. (PP using statistics of Thailand not realistic DJ)

-"New model" US could have 75.000 deaths by august-reality on may 7 the US already had 76.000 deaths...(University of Washington-end of April)

-Timeline; november first case ? France dec 27 male (43 y/o) died of pneumonia-turned out to be Covid19-no travel history, Dec31 first official cases in China -link to Wuhan Military Games mid october-lot of French participants returned with a fever

DJ-On this forum there have been discussions on Covid19 being a blood-disease-turned out to be correct-clotting is the main problem-high pressure ventilation is killing people. Also "strange cough" that persists for weeks fall 2019-how widespread was it ? Relation with (present form of) Covid19 ? 

-Finding "patient zero"/first case should be high priority-the official #1 not related to "Wuhan wet market" at all. DJ-If there is a link with the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Military_World_Games[/url] there could be much more early cases in [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Military_World_Games#List_of_participating_nations[/url] . (DJ-Would it not be a good idea to have a survey on participants of Wuhan-2019-military games ???)

Another remark-"the older the first case-the more time for the virus to evolve/mutate" (DJ-One may even find a relationship with some other virusses and find out were Covid19 came from. If the first cases were in mid october-may 2020 cases are much different ? The dec-27 French case is seen as Covid 19-now.)

-PP Why is the US military not taking Covid19 survivers ? Do they know more or are they being very carefull ?

-People after losing jobs face red tape/bureaucrazy to get some income (also outside the US)-stocks going up by FED buying it (government is for the rich). Meat workers stop working-risk of getting ill is to high. (In Nebraska "privacy" so no data on spread of Covid19 in meat workers).

-Bats hybernate in winter PP-so were did the virus come from (If it was lab-made it would explain why they are not looking for "patient zero") DJ-If some form of Covid19 was around during Wuhan-2019 military games in mid-october the first case-patient zero-could maybe even have been in august/september-before bats start to sleep during winter. Still the question remains-is China looking for case #1 ? Is the region looking for their first cases ? Or has Wuhan 2019 no relation with Covid19-but how did a Frech man die of Covid 19 dec 27-before the first official Chinese case ? (DJ-Or does the story become even more insane-did Covid19 start in Europe-not in China ? Would France-or any other country-like to find out Covid19 started within their borders maybe september 2019 but they failed to recognize it ? Did "made in Italy"by Chinese workers transport the virus to China in stead of from China ?????)


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DJ Looking at the Spanish Flu [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu_research[/url] a theory is that a virus may take a few yours to "smoulder" (DJ-ripen, get ready, develop) before it can start a pandemic. [url]https://web.archive.org/web/20090808003837/http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/flu-epidemic-traced-to-great-war-transit-camp-728112.html[/url]  A 2000 UK study claims the "pre-virus"for the Spanish Flu was found in [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89taples[/url] Étaples-near Calais in north-west France causing infections during the 1915/16 winter in UK military. [url]https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190523202557.htm[/url] (Spanish flu may have lingered two years before outbreak and vaccine could have treated it) The first 1916 signs were ignored as "minor infections"! (As most likely first Covid19 in 2019 may not have been recognized. PP-It should not have to be this way-also goes for the Spanish Flu-inaction, lack of wisdom-made it the pandemic. When looking for a potential pandemic virus science look at high-spread-potential-virus while the high-spread-part may come last. Pandemics may start on a small scale-hard to tranfer human-to-human-and be missed by research. Given that idea "patient zero" in any pandemic "model" may come from anywere and start the spread of virus in a new surrounding. The oct. 2019 military games in Wuhan may have been the "new enviroment" that made the virus spread more easy among humans. (It may not even have started in humans or bats-to make things more complex). 

Other studies see Kansas/US as a bases. Some relate it to China or Austria. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Hypotheses_about_the_source[/url]

There are also claims vaccinations-then a new idea-on US military may have played a role.[url]https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/blog/spanish-influenza-pandemic-and-vaccines[/url] 

 Some claim "Spanish Flu"was a bio-weapon. [url]https://www.msubillings.edu/lectures/ww1/pdf/Lewis_WWI_Lecture.pdf[/url] 

Using blood-plasma  (anti bodies) from infected for treatment was already known and effective (DJ-Why that idea was not more used now-it is also effective against Covid19 !!!) [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu_research#Blood_plasma_as_an_effective_treatment[/url]

In the present Covid19-discussion it may be usefull to look at history-how did the discussions go and how much/little do we know now. 

There are suggestions Covid19 may have started earlier than november 2019-given the background of other illnesses that idea makes sense. If it did not come from a lab it also did not come "out of the blue"-it developed, started somewere.

Further research is needed-not for an insane blame-game (by anybody)-but to learn more on early warning signs for pandemics.

Also discussion of a relation with climate change-would the virus not have survived a good cold frost-was the "Wuhan Winter" unusual warm, may be important. 

The future

 [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Mortality[/url] from the Spanish Flu numbers on mortality vary between 17 and 100 million-1 to 6% of the global population (and even those numbers vary between 1.8 to 1.9 billion). What numbers are usefull for Covid19 deaths-tested or "access deaths"?  Looking at [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_HIV/AIDS[/url]-a more recent-long lasting-present other pandemic [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#History[/url] and [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_HIV/AIDS[/url] first diagnose was in 1981. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_HIV/AIDS#1959:_David_Carr[/url] First cases may be found in 1959 (or maybe even earlier).

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discredited_HIV/AIDS_origins_theories[/url] There have been bio-weapon claims on most-if not all-diseases. In conflict people may try to infect other people-also with all kind of diseases. Claiming Covid 19 "came from China" and/or is a "bio-weapon" is classic in discussions on pandemics. (And often with some good reasons-although animals mixed with people also goes for lots of other countries-lack of surveilance even goes even more for other countries-China did have SARS-healthcare is reasonable easy and affordable access in China). 

Technology, the explosion of unlimited international travel from a limited number of countries may have been the main factor-and remain so-for the Covid19 pandemic. Poverty-lack of income-pushes people to (mega) cities and "rich countries"-providing further spread. 

When you look at AIDS or the plague it lasted years, decades. The Spanish Flu may have started as early as 1915-last cases-a fourth wave-was in 1920 [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Mortality[/url] (DJ-I did see reports of remote parts of the Dutch East Indies-Sumatera-still being infected up till 1923) Covid19 will be around for several years-even with a vaccine. 

The global economic damage already is gigantic-the worst in cases/deaths is still to come. (DJ-I expect Covid19 can become that deadly-certainly mixed with other illnesses (TB, Malaria, Ebola) getting out of control-some area's may end up depopulated-no economy left. This pandemic already is worsening international relations-and internal conflicts-around the globe. Racism is reported in many countries-"selection on care" (for instance by not making healthcare public) may mean some groups (by race, age, handicap/(chronic) illness will be (far) more effected than other (more privileged) groups. 

Economic collapse-failure of government/politics in recognizing the severity of the crisis can mean end of healthcare. Also high percentage of health care workers getting infected-falling ill or die-already is undermining health care. A global approach is needed but not in sight.

At present in most places the Covid19 outbreak is out of control-testing is poor, communications often fail-the outlook simply put is "bad".

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DJ-Okay-were are we now ?

-From Germany virologist Christian Drosten warning for a second-stronger wave (because the wave will start widespread-not from some imported cases)-if we restart to soon. 

-In the US unemployment-unofficial-is over 20% ? [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/america-has-become-powder-keg-ready-explode-any-time[/url]

-In geo-politics [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trump-kicking-saudis-curb-beginning-something-not-terrible[/url] A break in the US-Saudi aliance (oil/energy not that strategic any longer-DJ-When the US became the largest oil-producer the basis for this move was made-Saudi Arabia was not needed that much any longer by the US-would become a competitor.)

-China further preparing for war with the US [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/military-experts-urge-china-expand-nuclear-arsenal-deterrence-against-us[/url] (DJ-A war China will not start-China strategy-certainly with the corona-crisis-is expention via aid, loans, buying companies, get an interest in 5G-networks-in other words acting like an equal partner that has something to offer. Why would it be "competition" if we had a choice between Sweden, Germany, US cars-and "agression" when China (or India) brings up their car-production-or any other kind of production ? China is investing in (rail)ways to become better connected with other parts of Asia and Europe. Russia, Iran, Pakistan, Turkey are willing partners-US foreign policy did not stop that-the EU seems to prefer more "global balance" in stead of US dominance (and arrogance )

-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries[/url] On a global scale we have passed the 4 million tested cases-with the US still seeing close to 30.000 new cases per day, Russia and Brazil exploding and underreporting-on a global scale the outbreak is NOT under control. (DJ-On april 15 we did get 2mln, april 27 3mln may 8 4 miln cases=every 11-12 days another million cases)

-Climate change getting worse fast [url]http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2020/05/very-high-greenhouse-gas-levels.html[/url]

Greatest wealth transfer ever-Peak Prosperity [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPDmElpj9wU[/url]

-The Eastern Virginia Medical School-(EVMS)-Norfolk came up with a scheme on what to do in Covid19 and in what phase-what works based on experiences in the field

-From 9.30 prevention-what you can do when you are not infected; vitamin C, D3, zinc, melatonin (PP-Selenium, warning you can overdose vitamin D) DJ-List also includes [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quercetin[/url] maybe you are using that when you have hay fever.

-From 11.30 what to do if you are infected (including HCQ etc-if you can get it) Also advice from EVMS for hospitals-avoid ventilation when you can [url]https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf[/url] (DJ-I will try to put this in general discussion as well-apart from this item)

- Min 15-a scheme at the phases-high viral load when you are transferring from pre-symptomatic to symptomatic (around day 5-6)

-Dr Fauci, (Dutch) CDC etc still against face masks-PP facts show masks work (DJ-some advice on what are good masks-how to use/wash them-makes sense. In NL politics accepted public transport demand to wear "maks" but leave it to the people what are good masks-now shops are working together to try to get the best deal-working masks that can be washed and provide some protection. DJ-And of course the general advice to avoid crowds, social distancing etc still stands-the R0 will go up with economies reopening-risks of getting infected do get up-what you "win"by wearing a mask you lose by the R0 going up-so maybe now you may need to take even more care-try to avoid bussiest moments/supermarkets even more.)

20.30 ECONOMY

-Un/Underemployment in the US=23%, biggest drop in employment ever...widespread unemploymentrise in all sectors-so the stockmarkets go up (PP-has a strong position on that-quote of ancient greek-imbalance in income this extreme is biggest problem for a republic/state-FED is printing/creating like crazy-correlation with stocks going up) Stocks now worth more than before the corona-crisis-thanks to the FED-unrealistic/insane (but we knew that already) Stocks up 20% economy-40% so the rich doubled their position.

-PP in 2017 "reverse Robin Hood" "markets=FED" creating hyperinflation (PP referring to [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic[/url] ) DJ-PP now becoming "anti-capitalism"? Because this is how capitalism works-some have more talents for finding ways to make a profit than others-politics is supposed to balance that-but at a certain moment money buys politics. If economies get to un-balanced they "capsize" turn-over, re-volve and that is called a "re-volution" (revolving=turning-a "motor"in history).

MedCram [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja-jhcXMGj0[/url] on Covid in children/kawasaki-syndrome like (a.o.) also on racial differences in Covid-cases in the US (DJ-may also be VitD story-but MedCram explains how it works out).

DJ-From min 10-Kawasaki disease may be a reaction on a virus infection in wich anti-bodies also invade tissues (organs)-in my (DJ) words-Covid19 itself may not make children ill-it can start a reaction that can kill in 1 or 2 months. In a lot of cases with children they do NOT find the Covid19 virus (or antibodies ?) because the immune system did deal with it in an "overkill" reaction-not only "destroying the invaders" but also organs/vessels etc. If that scenario is real-with a lot of schools re-opening-the outlook is bad. [url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/six-week-old-baby-dies-coronavirus-believed-to-be-youngest-fatality/[/url]

DJ-If there is a second-likely stronger-wave in a few months (Brazil, KSA etc showing hot weather, humidity does not make that much difference) the consequences on the world will be catastrophic. Here in NL there is some criticism on "want-to-be-virologists/epidimologists"etc-"leave it to the experts". Point is experts may have tunnelvision. A world leading top-virologist working at Rotterdam University hospital did not believe Covid19 would spread easy up till february, still believes children are not at risk. With all respect-there should be a role for people now trying to gather info/developments in a wide range-a (medical) history background-knowing of earlier pandemics-can be helpfull. Experts may be the best in their field but miss an overview. 

The "perfect approach" does not excist. It is always a balancing act in wich politics are leading-experts are giving (the best) advice. We need a form of economy to have a form of healthcare. In my vision we have to take several steps backward to survive. Forget about hollidays, maybe even on driving a car, eating much meat-feeding "the planet" and keeping some basic healthcare should be the only goal-if we want to survive. If we "want more now" the price "later" (in a few months) could turn out to be very high.




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DJ Can NPI/Non Pharmaceutical Intervention stop/end Covid19 (or any other virus) ?

I think very strict social distancing/lock downs-masks etc can stop the spread of a virus-in most cases-that much the virus will disappear. Epidemologists would be able to give a better answer-China (and some other countries New Zealand, Australia) may be examples. 

In the Covid19 pandemic "we" may slowly be getting to "best treatments". Early detection-massive testing-can further slow down the spread and give best chances for those that are infected.

Since Covid19 is this widespread NPI may be needed for a few years to get most of the results-to be able to do so you have to make major changes in how the economy works. Internet gives a lot of oppertunities for that (so why not use that ?).

Of course there needs to be social interaction. A lot of that has to go via the internet-but there has to remain room for people to meet eachother "live" at the best possible conditions. 

An "internet society" does mean internet controlled society. To make that work on a global scale is a gigantic step-to a "brave new world" (with wich I am not happy at all). 

Such a society could be the "best" worse case scenario.

More realistic-"several waves" (several pandemics-mixed with climate change, volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, social chaos etc.) can push humans "close-or-over"the edge. 

Allthough far from perfect in most countries there is some basic healthcare-for-all, often a sort of basic-income for most. But that may become hard to maintain if the economy is damaged to much. Rich countries will transfer the "third world economies"-step by step.

Barter trade-exchange of goods/services without money involved may become more normal. STD's very widespread. A lot of "poor" countries nowadays manage to survive on aid from richer countries. That aid will be gone. 

Warlord-economies-in wich a few (relative) rich persons hold a position of power may become also a "new normal". 

I would love to see we can get back to were we were in 2019-organized welfare states-some sort of international order. But that is under extreme pressure right now. It should be a goal to at least remain some of it the best we can.

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/robotics/comments/1w4umo/robotic_hairdressers_whats_preventing_robots_from/[/url],

[url]https://www.hollandrobotics.com/nieuws/japan-is-embracing-nursing-care-robots/[/url]

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DJ-A good historical background story on how a created crisis (World War 1) was used to bring nazi's/banks in power. [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ehret-victory-day-its-time-think-about-finally-winning-wwii[/url] :

By 1941, Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor polarized the American psyche so deeply that resisting America’s entry into WWII as Wall Street’s American Liberty League had been doing up until then, became political suicide. Wall Street’s corporatist organizations were called out by FDR during a powerful 1938 speech as the president reminded the Congress of the true nature of fascism:

“The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism – ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power… Among us today a concentration of private power without equal in history is growing. This concentration is seriously impairing the economic effectiveness of private enterprise as a way of providing employment for labor and capital and as a way of assuring a more equitable distribution of income and earnings among the people of the nation as a whole.”

While America’s entry into WWII proved a decisive factor in the destruction of the fascist machine, the dream shared by Franklin Roosevelt, Henry Wallace and many of FDR’s closest allies across America, Canada, Europe, China and Russia for a world governed by large-scale development, and win-win cooperation did not come to pass.

(DJ-Among the things left out was the support of "royals" for hitler-they wanted revenge for the Soviet murder on the Czar-family-related with most other "royal families" in Europe. To put it in short nazi was replaced by nato-but usually I get bans etc. when I make claims like that-even if there is lots of proof for it. The relevance for now-during the Corona-crisis (that only will get even much worse after the second wave) a new form of totalitarianism is on its way [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/health/your-every-move-will-be-watched-post-covid-offices-will-resemble-chinas-social-credit-system[/url] . The "official history" always is a propaganda story serving those in power. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7RLwNsYSMg[/url] Sir Anthony C. Sutton on how hitler was financed-from 1980. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_C._Sutton[/url] The problem is not "history is forgotten" or "never learned"-the problem is most people do not want to know-history repeats itself in some form because people do not change that much-and that is a painfull realization when you look at the horrors of the past.)

Also in this looking back-to-look-forward [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/05/helena-cobban-on-the-recovery-of-nations-from-covid-19-.html[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNbIw8nb-1U[/url] Peak Prosperity "market update" (DJ-Last time they first claimed the FED was the market to go on to claim "investors act irrational"-maybe I missed something then ?)

-Unemployment in the US (DJ-and most other places) going up extreme (US now 23-30%)-stocks going up by cantral banks-negative interest rates to "help start the economy" (DJ-not working in Europe-it is a demand problem) will there be hyperinflation (DJ-was that a serious question ???) Sorry-lost my patience after 21 minutes....[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G1EyvRZmOs[/url] "When China rules the World" University of Melbourne may be a better watch-fits in with [url]https://asiatimes.com/2020/05/china-forges-ahead-through-chaos-and-threats/[/url] :

Even with Covid-19, China’s trade with Belt and Road nations grew 3.2% in the first quarter, not shabby even when compared with the 10.8% for the whole of 2019.

According to the Ministry of Commerce, Beijing’s trade with 56 Belt and Road nations scattered across Asia, Africa, Europe and South America represents a very important 30% of total annual trade. Now compare it to the 13% to 32% contraction in global trade forecast by the World Trade Organization for 2020. 

So even if a trade drop in the first quarter of 2020 was more than predictable, it’s bound to pick up quickly especially in relation to Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe and the Arab world.  

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And then there’s the relentlessly evolving game-changer responsible for the US establishment’s sleepless nights: the Russia-China strategic partnership. 

Two weeks ago, an immensely important geopolitical development was virtually buried by corona-hysteria. 

Moscow is very much aware that Washington is deploying missile defense systems very close to Russia’s borders – carrying the potential to deliver a nuclear first strike. Beijing is following this development with alarm. 

Moscow being aware of it is just part of the story: the key point is that Russia is confident sophisticated weapons such as the Sarmat and the Avangard will take care of it.

More complex is the issue of Pentagon bioweapon labs in the former USSR – an issue also closely followed by Beijing. Moscow has identified a lab near Tblisi in Georgia, and 11 of them in Ukraine. And way back in 2014, when Crimea was reunited with Russia, scientists also found a lab in Simferopol.

All this information – nuclear and bioweapons – as intel sources confirmed to me, is exchanged at the highest level of the Russia-China strategic partnership. 

The next big move in the geopolitical chessboard points to the partnership negotiating their bilateral relations with the US as a team. 

Nothing could be more rational, considering they are regarded as the top two “threats” to the US, according to the National Security Strategy.  

Talk about a major paradigm shift.  

DJ-My longterm perspective on the corona-crisis is not optimistic. "Brave New World" may be the better scenario, more-stronger-waves, pandemics, in combination with escalating climate change may bring that much damage that it may be a good idea to enjoy the present if you (still) can. 

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5BZ09iNdvo[/url] "Once upon a virus" in less than 2 minutes

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DJ-Since good info is scarce in a "sea of garbage and old news" I try to focus on "what is next", new developments (Covid-kawasaki so far only in children ?) - since Peak Prosperity/Chris Martenson is a very good source I also include him.

Medcram, Dr. John Campbell etc also sometimes give good info-PP takes a wider look-I try to get an even more wider look.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVkLqC3p0Og[/url] A 5 year old view from Singapore on China; the US is not happy with "communist rule" in China-a warning "nationalist rule" in China may be far worse !

(DJ-Also a reminder; Ho-Chi-Min visited Versailles-peace talks in 1919 hoping that [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination[/url] also would apply for the people of Viet Nam he wanted to have a talk with US president Wilson but was send away. After that and during World War 2 he became "socialist" one has to look further than a name-always ask why ?)

China gaining power is one trend already on its way before Covid-19-getting stronger. Robot doing the job more often is another trend, (supermarkt) shopping via internet...it does not have to be a problem when you adjust society. Taxation on manufactoring in stead of labor can give room for shorter working weeks-basic jobs and incomes for all. (If a government allows massive job-loss and leave those now without a job that government is doing a bad job !)

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/health/over-1-1000-people-living-nynj-die-covid-19[/url] dJ-The US numbers are extreme. Also 1/3 of the deaths is black while only 18% of the population is black-black people seem to have the more dangerous jobs with less health insurance. 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/another-leg-lower-coming-what-happens-2021-will-leave-traders-speechless[/url], 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putins-call-new-system-1944-battle-bretton-woods-lessons-victory-day[/url],

(FDR wanted a new global system with a balance between the US, Russia and China-in 1944-this idea died with him in april 12-1945)

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-unveils-pandemic-glasses-see-peoples-temperatures-real-time[/url] (also [url]https://www.rokid.com/en[/url] and [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/pandemic-drones-fly-connecticut-hunting-covid-carriers[/url] DJ-Of course you can also keep an eye on the internet [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON[/url]  DJ-In reality "privacy" is an illusion. There can always be an excuse for "total control" including the information that is provided.)

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/here-real-april-jobs-report-42-million-jobs-lost-255-unemployment-rate[/url] (25.5%)

DJ-The economic collapse is global and not over yet. There are several ways to deal with it (after a first shock)-most countries do want to have talks, cooperation. This Corona-crisis is not the only global problem. There have been talks on economic cooperation and trade for decades, also climate change goes back decades as an international item. 

The risks for NOT going international is wars nobody will win, pandemics without an end.  

DJ-Another remark-the only effective tools against the virus are also effecting the global economy. The cure may kill the patient-but without that cure the patient is sure to die. Even a vaccine (producers will claim "they are very succesfull, promissing etc. but you need facts. For what do they protect and for what time-it may be impossible to get answers on that soon) will not make much difference if billions of people need vaccination. 

The essence of international policy has to be "to provide conditions for survival"as best as possible. This can mean food-aid for most-NPI in a form for almost all-massive unemployment. 

"Restarting economies" to provide luxery hollidays and champain-parties go at a cost for others.  (DJ-It is "nice" [url]https://www.shanghaidisneyresort.com/en/?located=true[/url] is reopening-but is this a wise choice ?) Politics have to work in the interest of ALL not a 0.0001%. People have to realize that when politics do not work for their protection those policies may kill them. (DJ-This goes for climate change-this pandemic puts everything in a pressure-cooker).

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination[/url] May imply "ending a government" that is not in the interest of all.

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DJ-Some "side"news [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/health/world-distracted-covid-19-series-large-earthquakes-rocking-ring-fire[/url] I think earthquakes may be predictable in some form-there is logic in seismic activity-that does not mean I believe all earthquakes are predictable to the minute and precize location. [url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/05/a-powerful-underwater-magnitude-69.html[/url] Climate change is increasing the number and strenght of quakes-that in combination with a pandemic is "not good".

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/hubei-and-shulan-provinces-in-china-re-lock-cities-due-to-a-second-wave-of-covid19[/url] DJ-1 China is most likely not open -there have been stories on Harbin for some time. The number of cases/deaths-in my opinion do not look realistic. 2 Hal Turner brings up a legal aspect. Can a state order a lockdown ? Has a state the right to take the temperature/bloodpressure of anybody in the street ? During a pandemic States have special responsabilities and therefore-in my opinion-special (but limited) rights. 

I find this a very important issue-hope judges, politicians will debate on this for a long time. Telling people to give up basic rights in any circumstance is NEVER normal ! When a crisis is over the basic rights have to be the normal. 

Peak Prosperity [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muNkuZGtQU4[/url];

-MATH+ protocol [url]https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/MATHPressRelease.pdf[/url] based on experiences in practices al around the US (DJ-Some basics are easy access; vitamin C, D3, Zinc, Selenium are easy to get and may help to "keep damage limited"-maybe also anti-histamin-but if possible ask medical advice.)

-Melatonin  (also easy to get often) not only helps sleeping better, also anti inflamatory, anti-cytokine storm (the virus does not kill, the inflamations kill, clotting etc-anti virals only effective in earl stages)

-Halt inbound infections-Brazil-Bahia study (so stop air travel/close borders)

-Face masks-if 80% of people wore masks infections would stop spreading (two very simple steps-most countries failed to take them !) If only 30/40% use masks no effects.

-WHO (and CDC's) keep claiming masks not usefull most of the time (are they working for pharma-big industry ?) WHO dealayed "pandemic" under China/Xi pressure (German BND=secret service-claim) ?

-In the US Mothersday-mass crowding-no masks (DJ-Germany NRW-gyms reopening-masks but often not used in the good way-not over the nose etc.)

-Virologist (60 minutes) "no proof virus lab-made"-PP also no proof virus natural (DJ-So that is still open. Virologists were over their ears in gain-of-function research-lab accidents caused the US to export the study to China.)

-FED giving trillions to the rich-YOU have to pay for that, your (grand)children have to pay for that-but "press" is silent to often.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_xWHmafnc4[/url] Dr. John Campbell; Global concerns;

-We are still in early stage of pandemic, numbers increasing

-US increase is slower-reopening now may make R0 go up (and Dr. J.C. is not anti US)

-In New York (CIty) 70 children in hospital-3 died, "post exposure syndrome" (sometimes virus already out of body)

-Yemen-statistics give false impression. WHO in Yemen claim "full blown" (DJ and nobody making statistics-so no reporting CFR=high)

-Pakistan-cases increase but reopening for economic reasons

-North Korea "no cases"-China is worried over NK situation (Kim Jung-Un gone for a few weeks ???)-food problems

-Belarus VE-day Brazil-two goverments; president and states (DJ-Similar with US ?)

-HCQ Dr.J.C. NEJM study on HCQ in severe cases, (Dr. J.C. did get much criticism on his simply reading "studies"-he lacks being critical even when he admits "big pharma"is for "big profit"- Dr.J.C. claim-no peer reviewed study pro HCQ -he should watch P.P. and learn-also get more "realistic").

DJ-HCQ may open the cells to allow zinc in to avoid reproduction of the virus in cells. But somehow Dr.J.C. seems to miss P.P. is picking up studies on HCQ in EARLY stages. (That anti-virals do not work in later stages in viral infections is very old news !)

DJ-Dr.J.C. at the end showing send-in pictures from Kenya, Kurdistan, Tasmania, Qatar, Paris etc. (I wonder if PP or JC has more global views.) Basicly people with a bit more medical knowledge willing to inform a larger audience is good. Information against fear. Yet another aspect-deserves much more attention-is the mental aspect. Here in NL some patients have nightmares after "recovering" fall ill again for several times. "Locked up" elderly suffering from depression (and familymembers feeling guilty because they can not do that much). 

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/05/cornonavirus-went-global-in-november-or-maybe-even-much-earlier.html[/url]

Covid19 virus 96% equal to virus in bats in south China-Christian Drosten (German virologist Charité Hospital Berlin) development from virus to infect humans may have gone via raccoon-dogs.

China is looking for first case in its archives of X-rays, blood samples etc. Earliest cases in China AND ITALY  and FRANCE may have been in november 2019.  Also the mayor of Belleville-New Jersey US claims he did get Covid19 in november. 

The claim 2019 Wuhan military games in October would have reached people that did not have any contact with people going there in november-with very limited spread-may not be very logical. 

In JULY 2019 there were cases in [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield,_Virginia[/url] in a (expensive) care center (DJ-expensive may mean that a lot of old data is still available for study). [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2019/07/17/third-person-has-died-after-respiratory-illness-outbreak-greenspring-village-fairfax-officials-say/[/url]

DJ-It is important the know as much as possible from the virus origins-and study with an open mind the best one can. I do not rule out anything yet-lab made, wet market, China or coming from somewere else. Like in AIDS, Spanish Flu it may be hard to get the final data. 

The more we know of the start of pandemics the better we may become in preventing them.  




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DJ-I still have lots of questions-latest news on this forum-also is asking: 

-How long has this virus been around in Europe, the US, when was "patient zero" in China ? 

-Of course the question did the virus came from a lab or nature is also open.

-How is Covid19 developing in "less open countries" China, North Korea, Iran ([url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/05/mahan-airlines-private-company-with.html[/url] may be both propaganda and true-that is-Iran most likely exported cases-but Thailand never closed its airports for planes-even from Wuhan-but it does not fit in a "political/propaganda-agenda". DJ-Let us here focus on the disease for now-it has to be about people, care-try to do something good !)

-[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ny-reports-93-children-sick-mysterious-covid-19-linked-respiratory-syndrome[/url] Has Covid19 found a new way to infect-(for now) in children ? 

-There is a growing push for reopening the economy-how to deal with that do's and don'ts

Peak Prosperity [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD3ztjqYGbg[/url]

-statistics, letter-of-the-day, NHK (Japan) video on how a virus spread during a buffet (all get infected-this time by fluorescent paint)

-Wuhan bio-lab shut down in october 6-11 ? (DJ-As far as I did get it there is a high-security bio-lab and at least a low-risk bio-lab in Wuhan-I think when discussing this story they are talking of the high-risk lab). 

DJ-There is a new cold war between the US and China-so there will be a lot of propaganda. (PP may be trying to stay above that). Also some kinds of "gain-of-function"studies are being a point of conflict in the science world.

-Peoples Liberation Army (China Army) was involved  (researchers also military function) in research together with Australia  (University of Sydney) ? (DJ-The Wuhan high risk bio-lab was funded after the SARS outbreak to do research on corona-viruses. As far as I did get it France was involved in the start-up, now the US and Australia may have been funding research that "went wrong" ? "blame China cover-up ?)

-First reported cases in China have NO relation with the wet market the virus was supposed to come from. The bats were the virus came from do not live in that part of China (but were kept in the bio-lab). A US expert visiting the lab in 2018 warned for unsafe working procedures. PLA took more control in the lab in january (after an incident ?)

(DJ-In lots of countries high-tech falls under the military/state control )

-In the Wuhan bio-lab pangolins-virusses in bats (?) were used to study gain-of-function-looking at the genomes/RNA lot of similarity (4 changes) between Covid19 (SARS2) and pangolin-CoV. (Prof. Holmes in Nature claiming those virusses came from bats in pangolins eventhough their biosphere is different-his defense is pointing to a lab-escape not nature according to PP) [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangolin[/url]

-60 minutes claim: human engineered virusses are that different from nature we would see the difference PP-No the virologists are not willing to admit they made a big mistake. You can not see a difference betwen natural and human made virusses- it is in the circumstances (virus came from a bat not natural in Wuhan, hybernating-but they were keeping the bats in the bio-lab for gain-of-function studies). Studies go back to 2002, 1999 chimeric-virusses (so two virusses-parts making one new virus) etc.

-PP Natural would require pangolin-bat-pangolin transmission with a few thousend pangolins left not very likely...Lab would require research already done (on a large scale) that went wrong...For PP Chris Martenson it is clear Covid19 was lab-made. 

He leaves some room for what lab-eventhough mentions Wuhan-bio-lab october 6-11 lock down. DJ To make things even more complicated-but more realistic also [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTRAG[/url] what if the escape was from a private bio-lab "somewere" ? 

At his ending PP/CM remarks : chances for a corona-virus vaccine within 12-18 months are (very) small-so far there has been no vaccines against corona-viruses.

(DJ Weak spot for PP-Chris Martenson is NOT a virologist but a pathologist eventhough he has a very good point). 

Trying to put a 50 minutes story in short...

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETg355UoZT0[/url] Dr. John Campbell UK, US global

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DJ-Yesterday PP/Chris Martenson had a good story on why he believed the Covid19-virus came from a lab. Since the Wuhan bio-lab was doing research on bats-corona-virus, had a shut down in october-and first (known) cases of Covid19 showed up in the Wuhan area one possibility is the virus escaped from the lab. 

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/05/how-the-trump-administration-inserts-blame-china-propaganda-into-main-stream-media.html[/url] and [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/05/cornonavirus-went-global-in-november-or-maybe-even-much-earlier.html[/url] raise a lot of questions on the Wuhan-lab-story;

-first possible cases showed up in the US in summer 2019, they never were recognized as a new virus because other explanations (other illnesses, heatwave) were found good enough-and you can not test for a virus you do not yet know. 

-in pangolins smuggled into China (to be used a.o. in Chinese medicine) a Covid19-like virus was found in march 2019

-then there is a virus [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henipavirus[/url] that causes the same kind of illness in horses, spread by bats, in Australia (as the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henipavirus#Hendra_virus[/url])

DJ-1-For me the priority has to be how to get OUT of the problem, for now less how we got IN.

2-I do get the PP point that virologists doing the very risky gain-of-function studies may not be willing to admit there was an escape of a virologist-made pandemic virus

3-The new cold war between the US and China may give that much propaganda-garbage it-for now-is impossible to find out the truth

4-Looking at the Spanish Flu, AIDS stories-even there the final word is not beein said on were those illnesses/viruses came from.

Peak Prosperity [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qg-NCWDIuI[/url]

-facts, opinions and beliefs-(DJ-we may never have all the facts in a complex story, cherrypicking is only using the facts fitting in a belief to defend an opinion-not very strong story from PP !)

PP's claim others belief was under fire in their reaction shows some arrogance-PP has the facts, others do not (DJ maybe there are that many facts-directing in all kinds of ways it may be to early to get conclusions. Now PP claims he is still open on were the virus came from-yesterday he was as good as 100% it was lab-made.)

DJ-I like some of the comments below the PP video; "the guilty dog(s) barks the loudest" and "When you're getting hit wit flack (FLAK), you know you're over the target"-the basic point of Chris Martenson-a lab accident as a real possibility will not go well with virologists. 

-With SARS and MERS 1/3 of patients had long term (+ 6 months) lungdamage (lesions, clotting in small bloodvessels around the lung) in Covid19 often BOTH lungs may see long term damage (in a small-China-Huazhong half january-half february) study 75 out of 90 patients seemed to have that kind of damage.

Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fxw3nTZYlA[/url] (again) on Vitamin D. (DJ-If there are things one can do to boost the immune system, limit the damage of a virus-infection-that is good news !)

Dr.J.C. earlier post [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETg355UoZT0[/url] mentioned the disproportion of "racial minorities" in the US statistics. Chicago "Afro-American"=73 deaths per 100.000, "Latino"=36 White=22, New York A.A.=184, Lat=187 White=93.

DJ-One can think of all kind of reasons for this uneven spread-from vitamin D, racism, to bad health insurance policy. 

On the other side Belgium has 753 deaths per million, NL has 325 [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] there may be many unknown factors weather, traffic-other factors like [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival[/url] may not tell all. 

Another (shocking) number is New York State having 27,290 deaths [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/[/url] on a global number of close to 300.000. Almost 10% of all (tested) deaths on the globe from Covid19 were in New York State !!!!

DJ-The real number of cases and deaths worldwide must be at least double the official number. Even developed countries (like NL) have a major problem with testing. What is getting into the news from "third world countries" is not hopefull-the best chance they have is in limited travel-maybe some area's can stay free from the virus.

In the "third world" this pandemic comes on top of lots of other problems-it will be impossible to claim to know the exact number of deaths due to Covid19 when lots of people will starve to death-food production is also effected by climate change, logistics also by wars and (other) extreme weather. [url]https://www.worldometers.info/population/[/url]

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DJ-Some ZeroHedge headlines;

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/colombia-militarizes-brazilian-border-covid-deaths-soar[/url]

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/disgraced-government-scientist-warns-us-faces-darkest-winter-modern-history-covid-19[/url]

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/health/how-new-york-turned-nursing-homes-slaughter-houses[/url]

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/health/mexico-cremating-bodies-industrial-scale[/url]

We are in the middle of the crisis-not the end of it. A second wave-already underway it seems-in South Korea, China will be worse-since the first wave already caused so much damage and does take months-not weeks....From Trump to Putin, bolsenaro in Brazil, facing troubles to stay in power. 

The health-crisis is causing an economic crisis, both are causing a (geo)political crisis-and this is just starting !

Peak Prosperity; "Coronavirus is "This generations polio" [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH2UoBUcW2I[/url]

-Recovered Covid19 patients in some cases have to deal with damaged organs "from eyeballs to toes", that is why the US Army does not want people that did get infected-hospitalized (like HIV+-).

-Diamond Princess-cruise ship still has 48 active cases (after three months !)

-A retrospective NY-study shows HCQ+zinc works (DJ-in early stages), Ivermectin also effective

-Covid19-related-kawasaki syndrome in children still very rare (DJ-PP knows of a total of 100 cases, as far as I did see NYC alone has 100 kawasaki-cases, also reports from UK, Italy at least 2 in NL -PP talks off 30 times more cases, can be 60 times more cases-so far-in my opinion that is alarming-kawasaki comes in a reaction to an infection, sort of post-viral-so there may show up more cases.)

-Irish study underlines the importance of Vitamin D (South Europe less vit D via food/supplements=more severe Covid-cases/outcome, Northern Europe has Vit-D also via food and supplements

-NZ and UK approach-both islands-acting in time, no "group immunity blabla"=NZ less than 10% of cases per million than UK

Conclusions; It should not be this way ! DJ-NPI/lockdowns, social distancing, masks can keep the number of infections low, if you do get infected HCQ+Zinc, Ivermectin are cheap and available-limited cases mean enough ICU capacity-basic this pandemic is caused by mismanagement !

And what do you do than [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/05/nyt-falsely-blames-russia-for-cyberattack-committed-by-british-hacker.html[/url] blame Putin !

Dr. John Campbell on New Syndrome in Children [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctN34C1fLWo[/url]

A delay of six weeks, still rare but very serious-action in time can limit the damage ! Cases from most of Europe-150 in the US-no cases in China ???? (DJ-Note-the 6 weeks delay is based on observation-NOT on any medical knowledge on how the proces in children (up to 21 y/o) goes-we are still learning !) Again-just with PP-lots of links below the video.

Good music-again from Portugal; Baba Yetu-Our Father in Swahili but welldone [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3paw9jjBQz8[/url] !

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Thanks, DJ, as always, you are amazing!    

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Thanks CRS, DrPH

I try to give this-history in the making-event a "wide coverage" from medication to cold war. Both PP and Dr.J.C. put more limits on their story. 

Trump threatening to break all relations with China over this Coronacrisis (man made by not acting in time ! Even a US senator giving up his position of the intel-commission foe selling his shares in advance of this coming crisis in february-he knew what was coming[url]https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/14/politics/richard-burr-fbi-subpoena-stocks/index.html[/url] while the official US claim still seems to be; we saw the Wuhan lockdown in january but "that was not seen as a warning") is an all time low in his presidency. 

More on the international side of this crisis;

[url]https://www.rt.com/news/488694-china-denmark-us-greenland/[/url] DJ-While Trump still dreams of buying Greenland he claims China interest in a nordic route from China via the Arctic to the EU is "agression". [url]https://www.rt.com/op-ed/488679-arctic-military-russia-us/[/url] the Arctic as a new frontline (how cold can a cold war get ?)

Does Greenland have to face US military action to "protect it from Chinese investors"? 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/health/hunger-pandemic-visualizing-covid-19s-effect-global-food-insecurity[/url] Global Food Crisis ! (So priority should be also on feed-the-world-not more wars !)

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/health/history-vaccinations[/url]

[url]https://thesaker.is/dangerous-virus-covid-19-russian-documentary-by-nailya-asker-zadeh-eng-sub/[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F7WMlFrEug[/url] Shirley & Company, SHAME,SHAME,SHAME !!!!


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Originally posted by Dutch Josh Dutch Josh wrote:

Even a US senator giving up his position of the intel-commission foe selling his shares in advance of this coming crisis in february-he knew what was coming

This will be interesting to watch. As I commented at the time the news broke of him selling share (this was months ago), he was receiving military intelligence, but we on this site had enough information to know something serious was about to happen.   If we knew about it here, then it was Public Knowledge and no longer a state secret, so therefore proving "insider information" might be hard.

I think that there may be a push to punish him because his act was "unacceptable" in that it went against the official line that "all was OK".   

As we have commented a number of times, look at what they are doing and not just at what they say.  Here was a classic case of a high official acting in a way that contridicted the official line.  

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When I look at what that senator [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Burr[/url] is doing-he does not know a mask also needs to cover his nose ! How come this person in this position ? 

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Burr#Insider_trading_allegations[/url]

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[url]https://www.gelderlander.nl/binnenland/brabant-steunt-onderzoek-naar-luchtvervuiling-signalen-te-alarmerend-om-af-te-wachten~a64bfcc6/[/url] DJ-I will put a translation-via google translate-in the latest news section under Netherlands.

Basic is the link between bad airquality and this Covid19 outbreak. Politics (in this case in SE of NL) "find it hard to deal with this scientific finding". They are willing to look into airpolution from cars, industry-but not airpolution from farming. "Airpolution" is a "left wing issue" (just like care, education, culture"), "bussinesses is a right wing issue"-this thinking underlines political shortcomings-"we" still have to learn a lot to get the politics we need.

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/wuhan-ordered-test-all-11-million-residents-10-days-beijing-scrambles-stop-covid-round-2[/url]

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/how-covid-19-forcing-americans-early-retirement[/url]

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"Second wave";

-For the last 50 years most western countries have been spending money that still needed to be made-loans from the future-this pandemic crashes not only the wisdom of that idea-also the way we dealt with nature will show its price. (DJ-Covid19 as a turningpoint in human history)

-PP looks back; january 23-this virus all the hallmarks of a true pandemic, feb 2 pre/a-symptomatic spread, feb 4 question on China numbers, feb 9 aerosol data (DJ-When PP could come up with this info at that time why official health institutions did not ???? This pandemic is man-made due to in-action !)

-treatment HCQ with Zinc-idea in april-now Nat.Inst. of Health US is willing to do a study HCQ versus placebo excluding zinc-while zinc is essential - designed to fail study-only tested patients, and maybe also including severe cases-so HCQ-with Zinc does not come in time. (DJ-There is no profit in HCQ with Zinc) NIH study-with 2000 cases is supposed to end in march 2021-results can be in in 12 days ! 

-JAMA/NEJM studies claim HCQ does not work-for political (DJ-or economic-profits=greed) reasons ? Both "studies" were on severe cases so HCQ does not work then. (DJ-Asperin does not work on dead people, a parachute does not work on the ground, if you plant corn on the moon do not expect much-is this "science"???)

-Yesterday PP/CM compared the difference in UK and NZ approach. (DJ-Just look at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries[/url] to see cases/deaths per millions-PP did not say NZ did perfect-turning a country into a policestate is never a good thing to do-the point was in time (re)action-NZ did a far better job than the UK (or most other countries)

-A balancing act between the economy and healthcare-do nothing is not good-locking people up also not good. But the old-debt based-economy will NOT return ! (DJ-And for the part of that "old-economy" that did bring us climate change, the corona-virus, to-big-to-fail-banks(ters) it is good it will not return !)

DJ-PP-Now comes to his final conclusion on second (third, fourth) wave(s)-let me include two articles [url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/05/15/dutch-find-coronavirus-antibodies-first-dog-3-cats-risk-mink-farms[/url] - I have a bad feeling on Covid19 showing up in all kind of animals. Even they-so far-almost always get the infection from their owners/caretakers. [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/health/second-coronavirus-wave-hits-uss-roosevelt[/url] The virus can hide in a body and show up later ? Ontop of that the-already hundreds of children both in Europe and the US with post-Covid "kawasaki-like" syndrome-my (DJ) conclusion is that we only may be at the beginning of a very major problem. 

-PP Second wave showing up in China, South Korea. WHO-Virus spread a/pre-symptomatic-often without symptoms (in 50% of cases-DJ-That is why China is now testing on a massive scale in Wuhan-to find those infected-spreading the virus-but themselves having no healthissues at all.)

If plan A is permanent lockdown till we have a vaccine, plan B is reopening everything, we may need a plan C. We should not have concerts with tens-of-thousends of visitors, we should not reopen Disneyland (for a 100%)-we have to find a way to live with the virus and the limits that brings-for the economy but also social live. 

DJ-It is a pitty PP is often just talking on the US situation. Often what goes for the US goes for Europe. Dr. John Campbell seems to be more willing to take a global look (also did work all over the planet). We will live on "a planet in transition" for the coming years. 

PP has-under his video-"the virus can hide in asymptomatic carriers and it mutates so rapidly that a permanent vaccine may not be realistic"-the "first wave"will simply not stop-just hide and than show up again.

If this is causing so large amount of problems for the "rich (by debt) countries" how the "poor/third world" has to deal with this ? 

We did already see a lot of refugees/migrants from the "poor countries" to the "rich countries"-climate change did make matters worse, Covid19 will make matters far more worse....for a lot of people it will become "run-or-die". 

The statistics on Covid19 do not reflect/correspond with excess deaths [url]https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/[/url].. Belgium includes all suspected cases-Netherlands only tested cases, deaths in hospital. 

Reopening without a plan C-just the idea we can go back to the "old economy" is showing a lack of wisdom-asking for that second wave.

DJ-Looking at the NL my idea is we are not able to deal with a major (same as or bigger than first) second wave. The (right wing) governments did not believe healthcare (or enviroment, education) needed a lot of money. There were severe shortages in staff and budgets in healthcare before the Covid19-crisis. The politicians that did pandemic go by inaction-are now popular for the way they dealt with the outbreak. (Most people do not want to know this outbreak could and should be stopped !!!!) So we will see the same mistakes again pretty soon-international air travel for tourism ? Why not ! 

Political parties that claim we have to take a few steps back do not get much votes (yet-I wonder if they ever will). "Tell me lies" is still the basic politics most people would vote for [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCGD9dT12C0[/url]


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[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/05/new-covid-19-science.html[/url] :

[url]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2013400[/url]= 

Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in Domestic Cats

With reports of transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from humans to domestic cats1 and to tigers and lions at the Bronx Zoo,4 coupled with our data showing the ease of transmission between domestic cats, there is a public health need to recognize and further investigate the potential chain of human–cat–human transmission. This is of particular importance given the potential for SARS-CoV-2 transmission between family members in households with cats while living under “shelter-in-place” orders. In 2016, an H7N2 influenza outbreak in New York City cat shelters5 highlighted the public health implications of cat-to-human transmission to workers in animal shelters. Moreover, cats may be a silent intermediate host of SARS-CoV-2, because infected cats may not show any appreciable symptoms that might be recognized by their owners. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has issued guidelines for pet owners regarding SARS-CoV-2 (www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/animals.html. opens in new tab). Given the need to stop the coronavirus disease 2019 pandemic through various mechanisms, including breaking transmission chains, a better understanding of the role cats may play in the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 to humans is needed.

[url]https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/05/12/2006874117[/url] ;

Our laser light scattering method not only provides real-time visual evidence for speech droplet emission, but also assesses their airborne lifetime. This direct visualization demonstrates how normal speech generates airborne droplets that can remain suspended for tens of minutes or longer and are eminently capable of transmitting disease in confined spaces.

[url]https://wellcomeopenresearch.org/articles/5-75[/url];

Conclusions: Deaths from COVID-19 represent a substantial burden in terms of per-person YLL, more than a decade, even after adjusting for the typical number and type of LTCs found in people dying of COVID-19. The extent of multimorbidity heavily influences the estimated YLL at a given age. More comprehensive and standardised collection of data on LTCs is needed to better understand and quantify the global burden of COVID-19 and to guide policy-making and interventions.

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The remdesivir drug by the company Gilead gets hyped as a potential useful drug against the Covid-19 disease. This even after a serious study from China published in Lancet found it useless:

Remdesivir in adults with severe COVID-19: a randomised, double-blind, placebo-controlled, multicentre trial

The result:

In this study of adult patients admitted to hospital for severe COVID-19, remdesivir was not associated with statistically significant clinical benefits.

A not completed Adaptive COVID-19 Treatment Trial (ACTT) by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases also found that remdesivir does not change the mortality of serious Covid-19 cases. But it found that the drug may lead to a faster recovery. That has led to run on the hard to produce drug and confusion about its distribution.

But the real scandal behind this is that Gilead has a second drug, GS-441524, that is more promising and much easier to produce. STAT published a strong call on Gilead to release it immediately:

Gilead should ditch remdesivir and focus on its simpler and safer ancestor

The authors have the suspicion that Gilead has an ignoble motive for holding back the better drug as its patent will run out sooner:

The attractive profile of GS-441524 from both manufacturing and clinical perspectives raises this question: Why hasn’t Gilead opted to advance this compound to the clinic? We would be remiss for not mentioning patents, and thus profits. The first patent on GS-441524 was issued in 2009, while the first patent for remdesivir was issued in 2017.
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Given GS-441524’s optimal properties, we — along with the millions of people awaiting an effective treatment for Covid-19 — are left to wonder why Gilead isn’t giving it the same attention it is giving remdesivir. The world can only hope it isn’t for the sake of protecting its intellectual property.

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Trump is nearly at war with the scientists. The white House has ditched the CDC reopening advice especially for churches. Axios finds that the U.S. is screwed. I agree with this warning:

"[Rick Bright, the whistleblower who says he was unjustly ousted from his position leading a biodefense unit within the Department of Health and Human Services] also lamented what he sees as the lack of a comprehensive strategy to meet the once-in-a-lifetime threat.

“Our window of opportunity is closing,” he said. “If we fail to develop a national coordinated response, based in science, I fear the pandemic will get far worse and be prolonged, causing unprecedented illness and fatalities.”

Bright, like other scientists, anticipates a second Covid-19 wave during the next cold season. Unless we do whatever we can to keep new infections down after the now receding first wave the second wave will become much more severe than the first one! 

[url]https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/taibbi-covid-19-bailout-wall-street-997342/[/url]

But the financial markets are getting the World War II-style “whatever it takes” financial commitment, based upon the continuing fallacy that “wealth creators” must be the first in line for rescue in any crisis. This was a wrong assumption on the decks of the Titanic, a wrong assumption after 2008, and a criminally wrong assumption now.

Continuing belief in the trickle-down myth that has been destroying and dividing this country for decades will kill us faster than any pandemic. If we’re going to spend in “unlimited” amounts, let’s for once do it in the real world and for the people who need it most.



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DJ;

- Tropical Storm "Arthur" most likely will remain a TS may touch the most eastern side of North Carolina and then move into the Atlantic. [url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/025603.shtml?cone#contents[/url] and Tropical Tidbits [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwMbRlTAFow[/url]

DJ-Since this storm is near North Carolina tomorrow (!!!) it deserves some attention. "Systems" can surprise-gain strength-even change their route-small chance of "Arthur" moving towards New Jersey or even becoming a cat-1. 

See also [url]https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/tropical-storm-watch-for-north-carolina-ahead-of-arthur[/url]

-Bangla Desh and India may face a possible cat-4 storm wednesday May 20 [url]https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/dangerous-cyclone-01b-in-bay-of-bengal-poised-to-rapidly-intensify[/url]

[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/[/url] and [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/bangladesh/[/url] DJ-After the cyclone number of tests will drop-number of cases explode....[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/nepal/[/url] Nepal also may get hit.

-[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/05/how-can-trump-still-win-the-election.html[/url] DJ-MoA speculates Trump may be hoping for a recovery of the economy round electionday in November-after that the second wave of Covid19 would hit (even harder). DJ-The problem in politics-not only in the US-is there are no believable candidates left. Politics has become that corrupt people buy power and -sometimes- put their puppet (Macron-France) in place. 

In my opinion both trump and biden have shown to be criminals that do not know the difference between self interest and public duty. I expect lots of fraud in US Covid19 numbers-another "president" claiming victory before the real battle even started. MoA also expects lots of "blame China" from trump. (Democrats will blame Russia-politics has become a fools paradise)

Trump putting a [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_R._Redfield#Issues[/url] to lead/destroy the CDC-after also destroying the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Environmental_Protection_Agency[/url] -did make Covid19 a pandemic. 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bipartisan-beijing-bashing-college-dems-reps-demand-closure-all-chinese-propaganda[/url] and [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/rickards-china-more-bark-bite[/url] Who is distracting who ? China may not be in a major healthcrisis-may be able to test on a massive scale, have "social control technics" that does not combine with a democracy in a western view. The US is in a very major crisis and doing all it can to make things even worse....Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen were not attacked by Russia or China but by the US ! Will trump start a war with China or Iran when he expects he will not win the elections ? I'm afraid he is capable of doing so...(The Zerohedge articles also use incorrect numbers to get incorrect outcomes-China =high tech, has its own development-is not "stealing it all from the US"-in buying power [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity[/url] China did pass the US, the income per capita [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity#Examples[/url] gap between the US and China is much smaller than mentioned in the article. The US also loves to ignore China has partnerships with Russia, Iran, Venezuela etc. )

(PP/CM tries to stay out of/above politics-I think that is getting impossible since the non-sense politicians produce-it is a civil duty to call a fool a fool when that fool is trying to take over your country !!!)

-Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kab6c8CNZOI[/url] UK and New York and [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKsVd4M1pK8[/url] Spain-plus lots of other info-basics under the video. 

(DJ-Lots of statistics-sometimes simply BAD statistics; if you do not know the percentage in gender of those being tested you can not get correct conclusions on gender further on. If 60% of tested people was male-it is no surprise 60% of "tested  positive/deaths" also was male. Do you still want to go for herd-immunity if many (+50%) may have long lasting healthissues after "recovery"? Claiming CFR is 0,5% without counting "severe cases" is wrong. Dr.J.C. is correct in claiming we are still in the early stages of this pandemic-but he is NOT a statistician ! Earlier he made a claim Germany was trying to get its R0 on 1.2% "to get herd immunity"-I do not know were he did get that info-it was non-sense ! Also questions on "race"-you have to know the number of tested people by ethnicity to know if the numbers compared to a community has any value. From time to time also good info....but a lot of ?????? point is there is very limited GOOD reporting. In the comments under the video "Asian" does mean a different group in the UK than in the US etc-so comparing that is "incorrect/stupid/useless.  )

-[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/05/16/yes-possible-learn-dutch-online-just-six-weeks[/url] "Met de schoolbus op weg naar school=With the schoolbus on its way to school"-you see-not that hard ! Most Dutch love to show they speak English-even in the NL an English speaking person may find it hard to try some Dutch-maybe working with children offers the best oppertunity-eventhough their Dutch is not the best...


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DJ; I am getting very pessimistic on recent developments. Reopening societies without a good plan may restart the pandemic that is already out of control in most third world countries. A second wave will turn deadly for the economy. But no-one is coming up with a balanced plan. 

Infections in children and animals are very concerning. Cats can infect people, most likely other animals will "learn" to spread the disease as well-this is a nightmare scenario !

Climate change, hurricanes, eartquakes etc increase the risk of spread for Covid19. 

More and more "recovery" of a Covid19 infection means long term health problems. Some "mild cases" can have health problems for months. Social distancing etc. may be needed for a long time (years-most likely DJ)

The US-China relationship can derail when China believes the US was behind the dead of the China-ambassador in Israel-China trying to get an Israeli major order for world largest desalination plant. US trying to stop Huawei from buying high-tech in Taiwan or Europe also does not improve relations. [url]http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1043165.shtml[/url] Sputnik and Global Times will start cooperation-another indication of how close Russia-China relationship is. (DJ-Putin may need a higher oil price and an end for the Syria-war to regain popularity. China may be willing to help.)

China-US relationship;

[url]https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1188493.shtml?fbclid=IwAR1O_SyJzzxbVR-7FztwAXv2qwfZBRDiKSm399kifAzsQQzpYflRIGgPhIY#.Xr-yHiK0954.facebook[/url];

Punitive measures targeting large-sized US companies like Qualcomm, Cisco and Apple are the "nuke bomb," according to analysts. 

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/05/chinese-ambassador-to-israel-found-dead-in-his-home-a-timeline.html[/url];

The US government sent a warning to Israel regarding a Chinese company bidding to construct the world’s largest desalination plant, which will be in Kibbutz Palmachim and cost more than NIS 5 b., Channel 13 reported, citing Israeli officials. The Trump administration has looked into the company and the Finance Ministry is expected to announce its findings on May 24.

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Israel’s Foreign Ministry announced Sunday that the Chinese ambassador to Israel, Du Wei, 57, was found dead at his official residence in the coastal town of Herzliya.

Dealing with virus hard;

The novel coronavirus can survive in high temperatures, researchers said, casting doubt on suggestions that the threat will subside in the summer.

Researchers from the University of Aix-Marseille in France, led by Remi Charrel and Boris Pastorino, found that the virus survived in 140-degree Fahrenheit temperatures typically used to disinfect research labs, The Jerusalem Post reported.

It took 15 minutes of exposure to 197.6-degree temperatures to kill the virus, the newspaper noted, adding that the study had yet to be peer-reviewed.

Researchers did say the lower temperature should be sufficient to deactivate the virus in samples with smaller loads but added that the higher temperature was necessary for larger loads and concluded that disinfecting chemicals were a better option.

Earlier research has reached similar conclusions.

[url]https://scitechdaily.com/uncovering-why-the-covid-19-virus-is-so-infectious-and-efficiently-evades-immune-responses/[/url]

This study, led by Fang Li, a professor in the College of Veterinary Medicine, examined the mechanism by which SARS-CoV-2 enters cells. Specifically, the team of scientists investigated how the virus “unlocks” human cells using a surface spike protein as the “key.” They made three important findings:

  • the tip of the viral key binds strongly to human cells;
  • the tip of the viral key is often hidden; and
  • when new virus particles are made, the viral key is already pre-activated by a human enzyme.

“Typically when a virus develops mechanisms to evade immune responses, it loses its potency to infect people,” said Li. “However, SARS-CoV-2 maintains its infectivity using two mechanisms. First, during its limited exposure time, the tip of the viral key grabs a receptor protein on human cells quickly and firmly. Second, the pre-activation of the viral key allows the virus to more effectively infect human cells.”

Li says that recognizing the evasiveness of SARS-CoV-2 is important for designing antibody drugs and vaccines. Antibody drugs would need to overpower the tip of the hidden viral key by latching onto it very quickly and tightly during its limited exposure time. Alternatively, drugs can target other parts of the viral key that are more exposed.


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Well all of you come up with a plan!  You are all so much better than any one else.  Keep the economy from collapsing, keep people from dying that is all you have to do.  That is what all of you expect.   This is crazy we never closed the country in 1969 in the Hong Kong flu and a lot of people died from that.  The Spanish Flu killed a bunch with no real medical help for anyone...too antiquated.   Yes 500,000 to a million died but life went on.

I ask any of you to come up with a plan that does not kill the economy and yet keep "everyone" safe!   

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Easy!  Copy Australia, Taiwan, South Korea or New Zealand.

Oh sorry!  I forgot you had to value people more than money for that.

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That is not true money is important when you lose your house or your apartment for non payment or your car!  Sorry but money does matter and people who are willing to work should go back to work!  People need to make up their own minds as to what they are willing to risk!

We are Americans and we are willing to work hard and make money and that is not bad.  It is why so many people want to come to America to prosper but some people from other countries do not understand that concept.

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