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DJ-This corona-era will bring major changes. Speed up processes-like robotizing (especialy in care-settings) etc. 

I take room to speculate on "End of Turkey"scenario-as a result of the corona crisis and global reshifing towards Eur-Asian dominance. 

Erdogan managed to create a lot of enemies by going for a "New Ottoman Empire" and leadership of the Islam-world. For this goal Erdogan worked with IS (also supported by the west and Gulf-states in the early stages). Syria, Iraq, Iran, Russia, China do not forget that-there is a price for that. 

Recently the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagia_Sophia[/url] was turned into a mosque. Not only insulting orthodox christianity in Greece, Russia-but also Egypt, Syria, Armenia-also seen as a threat by Saudi Arabia-so for considering itself as the "Leader of Islam". 

The end of World War One did not only end the Austria Hungary Empire, it also started the fall of the Ottoman Empire and beginning of Arab states. Between the World Wars Greeks were kicked out of western Turkey-Greece did get independent from the Ottoman Empire in the 19th century. In that first world war and shortly after the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide[/url] happened. 

The Turkish-Kurdish war has a very long history in itself. NATO did help Turkey in a genocidal war from the 60's. The US and Israel tried to use the 30 to 39 million Kurds for their anti- Assad goals in Syria. Russia and Turkey have a history of conflicts for over a 1000 years-with Russia pushing Turkish tribes out of what would become the Russian Empire, Soviet Union.

To put in short-History surrounded Turkey with lots of enemies. Erdogan managed to open up all kind of wounds with his ambitions. 

Eur-Asian integration may not mix with Erdogans Turkey. Turkey has many forms of Islam as well as cultural minorities still having claims on part of Turkey. 

To name some of them;

1-Greece still claim cultural rights in western Turkey

2-Armenia may claim "border corrections" certainly after the Turkish-Azerbeijan recent agression

3-Syria and Iraq may seek an answer for the Kurdish question-with both going for "border corrections" that may bring most of Eastern Turkey within their borders-in combination with a deal with the Kurds. 

4-Even Iran may try to make moves in Eastern Turkey (and Azerbeijan-with Russia ?)

5-Turkey may become a "new Austria" a small state that does not form a risk for Greeks, Arabs, Armenians, Iran or Russia. 

6-The EU can "use" the splitting up of Turkey for better deals with Asian countries. Both in the Arab world and further.

7-Since Erdogan even managed to get in conflict with Israel and the US they both may agree in "splitting up" Turkey if that would be a better deal for them.

8-The end of the Soviet Union in 1991 did not need a major war. It was the result of "internal erosion", helped by Chernobyl. 

9-Overstretching of Turkey in all kind of wars is pushing Turkey over the cliff. Erdogan may be running out of allies/friends. 

Qatar is a Turkish ally because of Saudi-stupidity. Qatar houses the biggest US air base in the Middle East-surrounded by Iran and Turkish forces-as a protection against KSA. Since the "strategic partnership between Iran and China" and hesitations of stationing Russian and Chinese military inside Iran Qatar may "welcome Russia AND China to take over the US airbase". China already has a base in Djibouti-next to a US base there. Qatar could even invide India to play a role-to stay independent from a single major power. 

Turkey involved all over the Arab world, Syria, Iraq, Qatar, Libya is pushing Arab nationalism. Uniting the Arab speaking world-most against Turkey. But also other countries need to be aware of Arab nationalism. In the region Iran only may be able to expand/control outside the Arab world. 

The SDF/Kurdish forces in Arab parts of Syria and Iraq have no Arab support. So a solution for those Kurdish groups need to be found. Most Kurds live in Turkey. Both Iraq and Iran (Syria only had a very small Kurdish minority-most of them did flee Turkey-live near the Turkish border) would like to concentrate "their Kurds" in Eastern Turkey. For the Kurds the benefit could be maybe even a Kurdish State but not on Iran/Iraq soil. 

Azerbeijan did offer Israel Air Force bases for attacks on targets in Iran in the past. The oil-fields may see Iran-Russian-China exploration. 

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Greeks[/url] Greece will be the EU paw in "Turkeys reorientation'. 

The goal of RIC-EU policies will be to enable safe and fast east-west and nort-south trade routes via pipelines, (rail)roads and shipping. So most likely the Suez-canal has to be included. (If need be by organizing a Suez-Sinaï-state like [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_Panama_from_Colombia[/url]) Most likely the Arab world may be encouraged to become an Arab Economic Union-both to provide safety and a partner for deals with RIC-EU. 

If India does not want to play with RIC-EU rules-so be it. Almost all of the rest of Asia most likely will go for RIC-EU deals. 

DJ-The world was already changing high speed before the corona-crisis. Covid19 will see China as a "world doctor". With RIC-EU leading the world out of this health crisis. Due to trade wars/sanctions the US role in the world may be limited. The US may need most of its health care capacities to try to survive itself. 

The US was already isolating itself from 2001/2003 Iraq war. Both China and the EU (and India) are most energy importers-Russia, Iran and Arab world, Indonesia, Malaysia export energy. The US attempt to keep that energy market under US control-so also the US-petro-dollar-and fracking/LNG exports failed. 

The movement towards a "New World Order" is pushed even further by the corona-crisi. 


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Very glad I am not in the Navy at this time. (Retired after 20 years)

I also think that the military will be first in line for a vaccine because of readiness. That is a double-edge sword, because you can not get out of having a jab (unless you are truly allergic to one of the ingredients)

So, its line 'em up and jab, jab, jab. If there are problems or issues, well you will be the guinea pigs.

Here in my part of the world, the biggest Naval post in the country, the rules are very strict for active duty personnel.

It's go to work, wear a mask, go home. No outside activities (meaning you can go outside in your yard, but no visits to bars, clubs, entertainment, parties or bbqs at other homes, the beach or stores) and you better not get caught if you break the rules.

I see many partners of the sailors here lament on Facebook about having to visit the zoo w/kids, go grocery shopping, pick up dinner, do all the errands, while spouse has to stay home.

Well, the military has always been tough, you learn to roll with it. Still, glad I am out of that environment.

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Tabitha111-military getting vaccines first is not always a blessing. Dutch marines did get a vaccine cocktail before joining the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Transitional_Authority_in_Cambodia[/url] in the 90's a lot of them did have healthissues after that. China is now using/testing vaccines on the PLA-can go wrong. 

-DJ-World did get over the 15 million tested cases, of wich 4 million + in the US. Brazil, US and India is about half of all global tested cases. It is sad Covid19 is getting out of control in Europe-destroying any hopes for limiting economic damage or sort of international assistance for the most poor countries that may now be out of any defense against this pandemic. [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url]

A good description of how messed up we are [url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/07/unhinged-chain-of-events-has-unhinged.html[/url]

Trump starts getting this pandemic may influence his campain for reelection [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/07/is-trump-finally-getting-it.html[/url] 

[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israeli-forces-demolish-coronavirus-testing-center-in-hebron-photos/[/url] DJ-It would be nice if some people were a bit more constructive...

[url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5[/url] Warmer sea/ocean water=stronger storms-we will all find that out soon. (PS-Seismic activity most likely going up again)

WAR-Covid19 may start influence the way wars are fought-less action on the ground, more drones, airstrikes, cyber war. [url]https://southfront.org/israel-responds-with-force/[/url], [url]https://southfront.org/nato-holds-more-black-sea-exercises-to-last-a-week-eight-countries-2000-personnel-participating/[/url] etc. DJ-We may have been lucky so far we did not see a major escalation on one of too many frontlines-luck may run out...[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/[/url] "covert intel" Turkey-Greece with a map showing red arrows from Turkey towards Greek Islands, Lesbos, Chios, Samos, Kos etc. DJ-suggestion is Turkey preparing to invade those islands ? Send thousends of refugees there ? (Refugees from Syria, Iraq-Turkey/NATO started-then use them against the EU in a Turkey/US plan against the EU ?) [url]https://community.defconwarningsystem.com/threads/turkey-greece-july.14243/[/url] (DJ-Any further escalation means Greek-Turkish war).

Peak Prosperity; [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8GEqv_X-no[/url]

-Can you get Covid19 over and over again ? Yes-looks like it, but Oxford University study claims other human cold-coronavirusses may offer some protection. (DJ-That would be nice if it showed up in reality-to be honest, it may be wishfull thinking in my opinion.PP/CM did take a look at the study-lots of calculation on a model that claims 20% of cold-corona spread may stop Covid 19. )

-A US (Missouri) governor; children should go to school-get infected and than recover from it at home. Does this person in this position have any idea of how these children will infect others ? DJ-We have the story of a gorilla buying stocks and doing better that investors. If politics fall in the hand of these kind of people something realy is wrong in politics.)

-Zero Hedge had it earlier;(gummibear 737) HCQ usage by countries-big data; HCQ works. 

-CDC study on race/ethnicity; In "whites" 18% under 65 died, hispanic 34% and black 40% under 65 years old. Relation with comorbidities. 

-CDC of all Covid19 deaths in the US 75% is over 65. (But also 9 babies under 1 died from Covid19, 8 1/4 y/o, 5 5/14 y/oand 157 15/24 y/o-DJ-Maybe under tested ? The picture was children do not get ill from Covid 19-so do not die from it. In my opinion with Covid19 spreading in countries with much younger population Covid19 will be infecting and killing younger people soon.)

-At 21 minutes interview with Dr. GlennDeSandre, recovering from Covid19. Did get infected march 16 South Carolina, problems with getting tested. Did stop working as neo-natologists with first symptoms. Member of a choir. Teleconference confusion-could not remember/put in 6 numbers code to log in. (DJ-Teleconferencing may good way to check on some healthissues. If someone is that confused-maybe not spreading much virus-but unable to walk, drive a car-please stay home !!!).

Dr.Glenn does not believe Covid19 will be over in 12-18 months with some "magic vaccine" may more become like flu-keep coming back from time to time. He would wear masks more often, travel less. Choir stopped till january (some of the members died). 

Min 37-University of AmsterdamNL-study on how long immunity last. They looked at the 4 known coronavirusses in humans (excluding Sars1 and 2 and MERS) in 1985-2020. Antibodies /reinfection 50% in half a year, antibodies gone in 1 year. They followed 10 persons-average 13,2 reinfections in that timeframe per person. (With some only participating less than 20 years). Coronavirus 229E most active-of the 132 infections 49 were 229E, NL63 was 37xOC43 33x and HKU1 was 13x. Testperson 4 had 229E 12 times in 33 years. Some did catch a coronavirus 22 times in 30 years. In summer less corona-infections than in rest of the year (DJ-more outside activity, less stress, sun=vitamin D). As Covid19 would behave like other corona-virusses in humans "we are not out of a problem any time soon". (DJ-It may become milder-act like a cold-coronavirus in some time ?). 

Conclusions; Corona cases accelerating, NPI/masks work-wash hands after possible infected surface contact. (Or social distance and get good info. DJ-This region of NL has still very limited spread-most new cases-still-in west of NL. But once they show up you may be running behind the facts-you can be a statistic/infected).

Music; Comment te dire adieu, Francoise Hardy & Jane Birkin [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uunZlA3qK98&t=30s[/url] or the Abba-(Frida-before Abba) version [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGrxuoX-BMs[/url] Sa sund du musta ga-so sad you must go


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DJ-short update;

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/major-earthquake-m-7-8-strikes-aleutian-islands-of-alaska-tsunami-generated[/url] and [url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/07/with-speeds-reaching-800-km-per-second.html[/url] DJ-Most likely more major quakes on their way. 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/tropical-depression-atlantic-could-become-gonzalo-wednesday[/url]

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-inquiry-finds-leaders-ignored-russian-interference-welcomed-oligarchs-their-money[/url] If you do not like the outcome of the Brexit-referendum-blame Putin, Trump ? Blame Putin, Covid19 ? Blame China-the insanity keeps getting worse [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/chinese-embassy-in-houston-burning-documents-japan-did-same-before-pearl-harbor-attack[/url] and [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-weighs-retaliation-us-orders-closure-houston-consulate[/url] 

Turkish-Greek war risks [url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/greek-military-placed-on-high-alert-over-turkeys-moves-in-eastern-mediterranean/[/url] while Turkey [url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/turkey-will-not-allow-reckless-action-in-libya-erdogan/[/url]

Iran[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iranian-supreme-leader-warns-us-of-reciprocal-blow-over-qassem-soleimanis-assassination/[/url]

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/california-passes-new-york-biggest-covid-19-outbreak-us-live-updates[/url] California now over 409.000 cases (and rising) [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-infections-13x-higher-reported-some-parts-us[/url] Tested cases just tip of iceberg (DJ-most likely both in cases and in deaths)

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Really do not like that one website "the big Wobble"...

for one thing they are anti-mask...

the other thing is "religion" and then the other thing...seems like a conspiracy nut site...
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Tabitha111-I do not like Hal Turners extremist vision on the world-but I do like some of the info. Zero Hedge has a lot of non-sense-but also from time to time good info. Even Moon of Alabama, the Duran, etc sometimes in my eyes are incorrect-same goes for Peak Prosperity. Dr. John Campbell-in my vision-has a problem in calculations. 

Yes-no site is perfect. Big Wobble is shallow-tries (just like me) to put to much info in a story. I know TBW seems to be christian, I am not-think religion and news should not mix. Here in the NL even our government-sad to say-seems anti-masks. (I am glad groceries can be delivered to the doorstep-online shopping etc.)

Most likely a lot of people on this forum have mixed feelings on what I post/write. I try to make a selection of what I believe fits in what I want to share. 

I hope-in general- it is informative for a lot of people. 

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DJ-Corona-news [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] July 22 did see 280.000+ new tested cases, over 7000 tested positve deaths. The only "good news" is outcome ratio 6% death, 94% recovery. 

Other corona-news [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/07/us-claims-diplomatic-immunity-for-covid-19-shuts-down-chinese-consulate.html[/url] The US is refusing to test/quarantine its diplomats/family now planning to return to China after leaving China/Wuhan in the beginning of this year. Since the US has Covid19 out of control it is only wise when other countries also include diplomats etc. coming from countries with such healthissues...

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/election-2020-worst-case-scenario-most-likely-one[/url] The US november elections will not only have to deal with two unfit old man that should be in a care center not running for president of the US. The pandemic will be far from over pushing the US in a deep recession.

Trump is now "law & order" anti-China campain, Biden has not much to offer. Whatever the outcome-already one may expect it inly makes matters worse, not better. Not only for the US but also for the world. 

DJ-As a European I do welcome some sort of global balance. The US may be getting close to collapse, the Arab world im/ex-ploding-so we-as energy importers-may become much to dependent on Russia-Iran-China. 

Before the US elections Israel/Netanyahu may try to pull the US/Trump in a war with Iran. Anti-China insanity may escalate in the South China Sea. Turkey may "get out of control" in Libya, with Greece, Armenia, or in northern Syria, Iraq-proberbly with US help. 

All of this is not helping to deal with the global corona-crisis only getting worse. 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/martenson-mainstream-media-lied-and-people-died[/url] An interview with Chris Martenson on how the US is dealing with Covid19-from the FED helping only the rich to main-stream-media going against cheap effective medication like HCQ. 

[url]https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/[/url] and [url]https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/[/url] [url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/[/url] Tropical Storm (TS) Gonzalo is moving towards Barbados- (getting there saturday) may not get much strenght-hurricane 1 stage, lots of uncertainty after that. Tropical Depression Eight soon will become "Hanna" [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Storm_names[/url] and do a lot of damage in Texas this weekend-worsening the Covid-crisis. 

In the Pacific soon major hurricane "Douglas" is on its way to Hawaii-but will be most likely a storm there this weekend with colder water on its way. 

Earthquakes, after the M7.8 in Alaska, a 5.4 in western Canada and a 6.3 in China what will be next ? (The Big Wobble, BP Earthwatch etc. claim strong solar winds do increase earthquake risks. [url]https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-67860-3#auth-2[/url] There may be statistical evidence for that claim. ) [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_earthquakes#Largest_earthquakes_by_magnitude[/url]  DJ-There is some debate on what the maximum strenght of an earthquake can be. The strongest we did measure was the 1960 Chili M9.4 to 9.6 earthquake. There is some geological evidence [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richter_magnitude_scale[/url].. DJ-In theory-from the planet itself a M10 may be the maximum. If an asteroid hits us it may go higher but something like M15 would be-as far as I understand-the Earth exploding. 

Climate change exploding may bring strong earthquakes. One of the worst case scenario's would be a large "burp"of methane gas in the (Ant)Arctic. Smaller methane explosions do occur-leaving craters in the Arctic landscape. Also loss of ice pushing land down do increase seismic pressure. There is also a relationship between volcanic activity and earthquakes. 

DJ-I do not like "doom and gloom". PP/CM claiming there may be an end in sight for the corona-crisis is very welcomed. A sixth mass extinction getting delayed would be good news as well. 

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DJ-Peak Prosperity [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9-fJqDqOvU[/url] looking at statistics-upward trend in both cases and deaths, worldwide and in the U.S. (DJ-Looking at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] the trendlines do not go up as fast as in march and april-yet. Since we are now talking of millions of cases per week it may take some more time for such an exponential trendline to show up in statistics. Still-those statistics are on TESTED cases/deaths. If they go up this fast in most more developed countries-able to do those kind of tests on a large scale-the real number of cases may already go up faster. 

With 40-50% a-symptomatic spread and most people only getting tested when they do show symptoms we may be missing 40-50% of the people that spread the disease. Time for another-more agressive-testing methode. 

Healthcare in a lot of countries must be breaking. Most likely even positive tested cases may not be able to get a hospital bed-or basic treatment-already in many places. The number of non-covid19 deaths must be going up as well.)

- A Texas hospital running out of ICU now sending severe cases home. Eventhough there is still ICU capacity in Texas. "Experts" claim no chance of reinfection within months-PP questions that "belief". (DJ-When Covid19 behaves like the other known corona-virusses anti-body defense may not last long or be enough to deal with reinfection. Most likely some people may find themselves in bad luck-getting reinfected within a few months. First infection simply not providing enough defense for second (hogher viral load ?) infection. It works with cold-coronavirus that way-no reason to think it would be that different with Covid19)

-PP claims Covid 19 is a new-in that sense "alien" virus. Causes clotting and dysregulates the immune system. Can spread/attach to red blood cells (prefer bloodtype "A", less likes "O". 

PP comes up with a long list of how Covid19 may enter your body-many ways it can bind to all kind of cells. Also explaining how the virus in neuropil-cells can cause loss of smell/taste. The role of zinc etc. 

DJ-STILL; on the other hand PP claims HCQ with zinc would bring the CFR down to 0,5% if given in time. Cortosteroids may help recovery in severe cases. In my (DJ) opinion the biggest problem with Covid19 is that we-as humans-give it all the room to spread and infect people all around the globe. 

NonPharma Interventions, lock downs, masks etc. were not used long enough for economy reasons. We resumed international air travel to soon. Working cheap medication is not bringing in enough profit for big pharma. 

Also another note-over a month or two ago PP/CM had a woman in his programm studying corona-virusses. Her story was SARS-1 did save this study. Corona-virusses were not considered to be interesting enough (for making money out of it ?).

Maybe we do not know enough of Corona-virusses to begin with. We neglected them to now claim "they are alien"? From the 1890 Russian Flu maybe being a Corona Virus Disease, sweat-fever [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweating_sickness[/url] or maybe even [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_fatigue_syndrome[/url] may have an undetected link with corona virus-we simply did not look, did not have enough old data to determine. PP/CM may go for his "lab-escaped" virus in a tunnel vision-ignoring all other kinds of stories to dive into. 

-In long lasting recovery [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epstein%E2%80%93Barr_virus[/url] may be part of the problem. (90% of adults did have an herpes Epstein-Barr virus infection-maybe in combination with a coronavirus it can do much more damage ?) Also [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytomegalovirus[/url] may deserve some attention. 

-PP/CM touches short "bad auntie" coming in to live with family-has a chronic health issue-turns out to be Covid19-positive and infected the family. DJ-The social impact of this corona-crisis, with governments advising people to "protect elderly by not visiting them" is terrible. It is one of many gaps in dealing with Covid19. 

-DJ conclusions;

-I agree with PP/CM it did not have to be this way. There are rules in how to deal with an emerging pandemic, we could see this coming in january. We did not follow the rules then.

-We are still not following basic rules now-in "protecting the economy we are destroying the economy". Non Pharma Interventions did show very good results in stopping infectious diseases. We did make a choice to "go for the virus".

-The basic idea of herd/group-immunity was wrong from the beginning. It may be a good idea in mild infections but Covid19 is not "a mild infection".

-From HCQ (with zinc) to Prednisone/cortosteroids there are cheap treatments worldwide available. Since there is not much profit in those drugs some countries do choose to go for expensive treatments that may not work. 

-Vaccines may-some day-be of use. With the speed Covid19 is spreading it may become "a survival race". Soon hospitals may not be able to deal with the number of cases. Statistics are a "poor way" to follow reality. Tested cases may drop because no body is willing to take a test. 

-For now the solution may be on an individual basis. You can try to go for the best protection. Experts did fail. Create your own bubble of safety the best you can. 

DJ-The background of this pandemic is escalating climate chaos. With some hurricanes on their way. Extreme heat, [url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/07/rainfall-amounts-off-chart-deluge.html[/url] etc. 

[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-calls-on-us-to-stop-occupying-syria-and-israel-to-end-attacks/[/url] and [url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/chinese-air-force-to-us-military-aircraft-change-your-course-immediately/[/url] wars/conflicts may get out of hand. (DJ-The US should get out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, South China Sea. Diplomacy over military action. Everlasting wars are also destroying the US. Bring the world at risk. Stop it !)



 

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DJ-How did "authorities" deal with recent other crisis; if you can not control the crisis, control the story. Both the banking and Euro-crisis did see a lot of money being created by central banks-to buy time. Since banks-to-big-to-fail, the Euro-to-big-to-fail, as a problem were believed to be even more costlier, and political damaging, than "creating money" and kick-the-can-down-the-road-strategy. 

Countries, institutions end up-in paper-with huge debts that are written off over a longer period of time to "bridge the crisis", that of course is not solving the problem. On the long term politics get addicted to "solve problems by creating more money". Countries, institutions can use the problem to blackmail their "saviours"-give us what we want or we blow up the bubble, send millions of refugees your way etc. 

With this corona-crisis there is no short term solution in sight that may be acceptable for "most". Strong NPI would both slow down the virus AND the economy. Still in my opinion NPI should be used-with trying to keep a basic economy going, providing essentials food, energy, water, safety, healthcare, on-line education. For most countries this is a realistic possible scenario. "We"do make another choice. 

Statistics may more and more create a false image. In my opinion the real number of new infected cases may have been above 1 million per day-worldwide-for some days now. Looking at difficulties even in developed countries with testing-both in the past and at present-even the best performing countries most likely miss the majority of cases. 

The a/pre-symptomatic cases do not see a need to go for testing, mild symptomatic cases often may still not be able to go to a testsite, see it as hayfever or a cold, fear the outcome of test results being misused-losing a job. 

Rules for being tested are often unclear-also who will pay for it ? Even in more severe cases people may try to deny the problem-out of fear for hospitalization or of confrontation with the mistake they did not go for a test earlier. 

In poor countries test capacity is simply not there for most. People get sick and die-end up in mass graves. Politics have all the interest in keeping a lid on that kind of stories. The smaller the problem-in their story-the better job they do. 

Most likely the real number of new daily cases must be (far) above the million per day. What will become interesting is the number of reinfections. Also the different strains, mutations mixing during summer hollidays. Official statistics show-at best-testing capacity. 

The herd-immunity strategy failed-but the alternative shut down strategy is way to expensive for a lot of countries. So the bill goes up and up. If politics now would admit they did make serious mistakes from the beginning on-how much credit would be left for most governments, healthinstitutes ? 

Blame-the-victum is one strategy; "people do not use the right kind of soap to wash their hands"or other non-sense. The other strategy is "blame" Putin, China, the Jews, Muslims, Communists, Black people etc. this will create even more problems but provide distraction from the basic problem. Since it is easier to solve a non-existent problem a lot of politicians may go for that. "We stop all trade with China !" "More sanctions on Iran"! "Close the border for all Muslims" shows "strong leadership not solving anything-but most voters love it !

The outcome of this proces-much like the way we deal with human made climate change-of course is risking our survival. It will go from bad to worse. It is very likely Covid19 may already be spreading in other species-beside humans-reinfecting humans-on a larger scale. We simply choose not to take a look. 

We managed to find a way to deal/limit HIV/AIDS, safe-sex, medication with some luck may give a longer lasting quality of life if you do get infected. We did find a solution to Acid-rain by using other cooling chemicals in refrigerators, etc. 

Most likely the solution for this corona-crisis is also already "out there"-but a lot of damage will be done before we will be 'there". The world will be changed by the proces. 

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Excellent posts as always DJ!!

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Tabitha111-thanks !

DJ-The numbers-first a remark on NL numbers. Yesterday those NL numbers increased by 191. What it did not show the new tested cases increased by 215-the RIVM (Dutch CDC) did correct for 24 "wrong test results" so the statistics do not give the correct number of increase. 

Although-compared to most other countries it is just a small number-this over 200 increase is alarming. NW Europe is seeing a second wave-"playing with numbers" is not helping. What was wrong with 24 test results ? (This story comes from a Dutch person on twitter-following the Dutch Covid-19 disaster. The RIVM still is against facemasks, no need for quarantine for people from high risk countries returning to NL. Even some of our ministers are on foreign soil. The minister of health is in France with his family-going camping I believe...)

[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] With the speed numbers go up we will see another new tested million cases in between 3 to 4 days. Most likely is telling about testing capacity-real number of both cases and deaths are much higher. (Allthough some choose to claim otherwise). Cases per million=Qatar 3,8% of population infected, Chile 1,7%, USA 1,2% testing positive. 

Some "good news" on a new finding [url]https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768926[/url] genetic damage at the TLR7 gen in males can decrease interferon production fighting infection. Those males are less able to deal with Covid19-if it is known they have this "bad gen" (since men have XY chromosomes and this gen seems to be on the one X-women have XX-so a double pair-possibly better interferon defenses) one may provide extra interferon. An earlier US study [url]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7186185/[/url] from end of april may already have given some indications in this direction. 

-How NOT to deal with the Covid19 crisis [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/whoa-u-s-makes-forced-entry-into-china-consulate-evicts-diplomats-and-staff[/url].. This is stupid ! The US claiming now China is spying on US vaccine production-even with China much further ahead in this field. Earlier the US and UK claimed Russia was hacking for the same onlogical reason research institutes. "Solving a major crisis by creating another crisis"is not progress ! 

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/07/us-china-spat-over-quarantine-and-consulates-continues-.html[/url] China wants US diplomates and family tested before they can go to China. The US decided to make a crisis out of that. If the US can close a Chinese consulate-China can close a US consulate-very helpfull....

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/young-americans-have-used-33-their-total-savings-during-covid-19[/url] The bad way most countries deal with this pandemic is pushing many towards bankruptcy soon. Others [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/wealthy-elites-buy-private-islands-isolate-coronavirus-storm[/url] (but may get visitors).

Brazil did have a good working government trying to improve public healthcare-the US replaced that with a fascist idiot. [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-brazils-money-laundering-scandal-hell-no-one-wants-talk-about[/url] 

Other background; [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/very-active-tropics-hanna-barrels-toward-texas-gonzalo-caribbean-and-douglas[/url]  and [url]https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/blog/2020/07/24/hanna-strengthening-on-approach-to-texas-hurricane-douglas-threatens-hawaii/[/url] Hurricane Hanna on its way to Texas, Hurricane Douglas on its way to Hawaii. Gonzalo is still on its way to Barbados and Isaias is forming west of Africa. So far the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Atlantic_hurricane_season[/url] has done limited damage-this most likely will soon change. 

Seismic increased activity continues. Another M5+ did happen the last 24 hrs. DJ-In my opinion we may see an M8+ this week in the Pacific "ring of fire"  or a M6+ in the Mexican Gulf (unusual quake near Cuba recently-Puerto Rico activity). [url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/07/breaking-news-massive-magnitude-74.html[/url]

Music-Shocking Blue had a worlwide hit with "Venus"I prefer [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upO7h5FsIYI[/url] Send me a postcard (1968)



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DJ-A look at [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/martenson-we-are-our-own-post-covid-world[/url] (chris martenson-peak prosperity) and a not that good [url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/07/population-control-by-genocide-bill.html[/url] piece on the Big Wobble.

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide[/url] intentional action to destroy a people in whole or in part. 

As PP has been repeating this Covid19 outbreak did also see the creation of 5 trillion $ worth in 6 months by central banks most of it going to the global 0.1%-the very very rich-claiming they "own half the world"-and DJ want all of the world. 

Why ? If you put the global population at 8 billion 0.1% would be 8 million people. If they "can have it all" what kind of luxery they can create for themselves without caring about the rest of the population. "We"are just a burden, at best usefull but expendable.

In history aristocracy did see their position as "a gift from a god"-others were "part of the land"-not better than cattle. Even in todays labor relations those who own (the shares of) a company do not want to know the company workers. Just like plantation owners were interested in the slave-workforce. (Many plantation owners lived in Europe-the plantation offer was run by a caretaker-who's job it was to bring in profit at all costs). 

The nazi's "lebensraum" meant killing "slavic people" and replace them by "German race" types. The quest for oil did bring a lot of countries endless wars. 

I am not saying Covid19 was man made-or escaped from a lab. I do not know that. What I do see that this pandemic is allowed to spread all over our planet and is killing the poor and old "out of any reasonable proportion" without any real (inter)national action to stop it. The world did know what was coming from the China-outbreak january this year and did not do much to stop it. 

 When you describe genocide as intentional action to destroy a people in whole or in part one may replace action by in-action, just let it happen. 

The enclosures in Ireland in wich English "nobiles" replaced the Irish population with sheep was not meant to starve the Irish-that was the outcome. The bombing campain on North Korea in the 1950-53 war-killed over 10% of North Koreans "to win the war". 

At present the statistics give only a shadow of how severe Covid19 is killing people most in Africa, Latin America, South Asia. Oil rich regions are top of the list in cases/deaths. 

DJ-Looking at history maybe it would be correct to realize "civilization only goes skin deep". In a discussion on minimum wages it is good to realize most workers on a global scale hardly make more then a few dollars a day. Organs are for sale-if you are rich and do not ask questions. World slavery has never been this big as it is now-even with rules that claim otherwise. (illegal workers in western countries often would fall under such a definition. No travelpapers/documents, no rights or insurances, often used and at payday the police comes in to put them "back to their "homelands" [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantustan[/url] ).

If states are in control of the 0.1%, democracy has become every $, € etc counts-in stead of every vote, free-press is an ilussion, why than not link the lack of real action to deal with Covid19 with that ? 

One may discuss "the intent-part" of the global inaction. One could also claim statistics only show just over 600.000 Covid-tested deaths world wide. 

Genocides often has many faces. From gas chambers, concentrationcamps to shoot-to-kill in the street. From deportation, making living conditions impossible to exploitation-work till you drop. 

With a background of escalating climate chaos and cold wars getting warmer what is "your representing gouvernment" doing to stop it ? In most cases, countries-the answer is too little too late-while they know what to do. 

Playing with fireworks may not be a crime in itself-when you start a fire that burns a house down killing a lot of people it becomes a major crime. Underestimating Covid19, climate change in itself is not genocide. But the in-action when you see those processes getting out of hand, killing potentially millions (most likely already) and still not do enough-on a large enough scale (global) to prevent it can make it become genocide.   

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxhZ2Z-Y4ls[/url] Dr. John Campbell-in the US the statistics went from the CDC to NIH-and started to drop. January 10-the WHO knows there is a major problem in Wuhan-even january 24-no reasons to stop international air travel-with chinese New Year coming...Even february 29-"no reasons to stop international travel"-more or less the same march 11.

When does in-action become a crime ? Dr. John Campbell; this pandemic was preventable...

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DJ-Covid cases are going up worldwide-as expected. "Saving the economy" is causing a genocide-by-inaction. Now also in Europe the outcome of lifting travelrestrictions, reopening gyms, restaurants, cinema's is translating in increase cases. [url]https://innovationorigins.com/the-second-corona-wave-emerges-in-europe/[/url] Most health care institutions are not over the first wave yet-with sickleave numbers high. They are not ready for a second wave. 

Often testing is a problem-and when you are being tested the results may take two or three days-most people take the small% chance of a positive test for granted and still go outdoors-possibly spreading the virus even further. 

[url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/atlantic-may-produce-another-record-breaking-tropical-system-before-july-ends/783464[/url] already give the names for the next two expected Tropical Storms/Hurricanes expected early august; Josephine and Kyle. From the 40 I-named systems 11 are "retired"because they did bring that much devestation. Another record. Isaias is on its way to the Caribbean. No doubt bringing evacuations-further spreading the virus. 

Civil unrest will go up with new virus outbreaks [url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/07/as-militarized-agents-stomp-on-streets.html[/url]-a downward spiral. 

Is Covid19 used to "clean the lands"-of course it is. Mining, cattle, soybeans=money-people=costs. Further social unrest, civil wars can be expected. 

The total inaction of governments in dealing with Covid19 is in contrast with "wars on terror and drugs". If anything-more control, supervision of all movements-the "super state"big brother would be the alternative-still on the agenda ? DJ-I do not get why there is so little international action and coordination in dealing with this pandemic. 

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In my area, I belong to a "mask friendly" facebook group, folks let others know of businesses that are complying with the order and also which ones are slacking.

We also let others know of businesses that are closing because of positive cases.

And boy, there are so many of those.

Every single day. A restaurant closes because a server tested positive. My vet office closes because a vet there tested positive. and so on and so on....so this is how it's going to be....

How is this working for our economy?  It isn't.

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Tabitha111, I think most of the US is "still" in the "first wave"-maybe with some signs of a second wave.

In my (DJ) opinion the difference between wave 1 and wave 2 is wave 1 had a first-small-introduction. Wave 2 will see a much broader, faster introduction since there are that much more carriers. It was unbeleavable stupid to open up borders and allow international air travel. The virus did enjoy the holliday-it came back refreshed and full of energy to do that much more destruction. 

Wave 2 will be far worse than wave 1-hitting larger groups faster while healthcare was not healed from wave 1. Underlying idea of "herd immunity" was criminally wrong. Just like cold-coronavirusses there is no herd immunity for Covid19 long enough to provide long lasting protection. 

If I want to be very cynical-wich I do not like to be-"the 0.1% -8 million very rich-can have "their planet" without the fuss of a nuclear war. The virus is doing a nice clean job for them". 

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment[/url] and [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment#Conclusions[/url] may be working in an uncontrolled elite. Who is controlling the controllers ? The 0.1% has more than one passport/nationality, can escape most rule of law. They have the cards-play their game. 

The 99.9% may be getting in their way-a final solution for climate change and overpopulation. 

-Is there no risk left for a nuclear Extinction of Live Event ? [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/07/a-significant-decline-is-coming-for-the-us.html[/url] and [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/bigger-covid-few-people-are-paying-attention[/url] DJ-Both articles are not the best-China has strategic partnerships with Russia, Iran, Pakistan. The Shanghai Cooperation Organization includes more than half the world population. What some in the US refuse to understand-Eur-Asia is 5 billion people, all of the America's is 1 billion people. Since China is the main importer of energy worldwide ALL energy exporters have to try and gain access to the China market. 

As the Moon-of-Alabama article claims-by tradewars, sanctions against China the US is excluding itself from the biggest market(s). The US keeps shooting itself in the foot over and over again. China was willing to go for US LNG, soybeans, pork etc-but it had a choice-if the US has to many problems with trade with China there are other countries willing to do trade with China. Including Mexico, Venezuela-even Canada-and that will hurt the US. 

-Netanyahu wants the US to fight a war against Iran (in Israeli interest). DJ-Not very likely-Trump promised the US would get out of endless Middle East oil wars-not starting new ones. Unless US troops are being attacked in their M.E. bases. So [url]https://southfront.org/rockets-hit-two-us-operated-bases-in-iraq-video/[/url] was pro-Iran militia behind it or Israel ? 

[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/former-iranian-president-ahmadinejad-sent-letter-to-bin-salman-about-ending-yemeni-war-media/[/url] DJ-Most likely there have been indirect talks between Saudi Arabia and Iran for years. Russia, Iran, Turkey, maybe even the EU has an interest in ending the conflicts that result from the KSA-Iran confrontation (in Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Qatar, Libya). Russian railways, Chinese energy companies have an interest in Saudi Arabia and a "working relationship"with Iran, Turkey, Pakistan. 

Also with Erdogan trying to make Turkey "the leader of Islam" KSA needs partners. Dropping energy prices and expensive wars are becoming a major risk for the over 20.000 members of the House of Saud-royal family-clan. For the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia it must be disapointing that the 50 year old US link between the $ and energy results in the US now becoming the major energy producer (before KSA and Russia). Also idea's of annexation of the West Bank by Israel as part of an insane US "peace plan"  did not go well in all of the Arab world and Iran. 


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DJ-To begin with some Dutch news; the cabinet-most on holliday during the biggest healthcrisis in over a 100 years-(surprising Marc van Ranst Belgian virologist) claim their policies are a succes-since the people testing positive remains on 1%.   The R0 jumped from 1,29 to 1,4 due to more testing  . But since now it is most young people testing positive no real problem   .

The Central Bureau of Statistics has made new calculations for the NL. Excess deaths in NL in the 11 weeks between march 9 and may 24 was between 8593 and 11.691 extra deaths. The official Covid-deaths in NL during that time was 5900. Due to limited testing the real number of Covid19 deaths must be higher. By the way we are-again-facing another shortage in test-kits  and capacity to deal with test results-people are supposed to get a test result within 24 hours-in same cases it may take a few days. 

The Dutch CDC-RIVM is against facemasks because people will not keep distance if they wear a mask...  

Do tall people (over 1,85m/6ft) run more risk of getting infected due to aerosols ? [url]https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/tall-people-more-risk-catching-18674866[/url]

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-statistics; new cases going up (DJ to new record levels) and deaths going up when you look at 7 day trendlines. The deaths are not yet at the over 7000 per day from april-but we are getting there...(DJ-As always statistics are a help-but with further spread in poor countries, politics influencing statistics most likely in most rich countries statistics only can give an indication of what is happening. Most likely the real numbers are somewere between 2 to 10X the official statistics. 

-Facebook and youtube deleting medical post claiming HCQ works-but "lancet fake study" retracted by the Lancet on HCQ being not effective is still on. (HCQ has some terrible promotors-but the story on bad side effects of this over 70 year old anti malaria-drug are insane. DJ-Is it all out of greed-trying to make a big profit out of remdesivir in countries rich enough to buy it ? For most countries anti-HCQ propaganda will not work-they are only going for cheap medication that they can afford). 

-"The only chart that matters" Sweden number of deaths going down...well you can make such a chart for a lot of countries-they all-so far-have the number of deaths going down. It does not prove anything. Most likely the numbers in Sweden and other (European) countries will go up again. (DJ-In Sweden the man behind the "let-it-go" strategy has said he regretted that choice-if I am correct. People from Sweden are not allowed in other countries-hardly anyone going to Sweden. Most likely most of the people in Sweden are not very happy with their strategy by now. ) When I look at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] Sweden is in position 8 for 564 deaths per million. Position 18 for cases per million-not very good)

-PP/CM comes with the Hannah Davis story-a young-once healthy-woman. Now ill for over 124 days, lost feeling in arms and hands, pain all over the body, unable to follow conversation etc. (You do not want that virus !!!) Treatment in the early days was focused on the lungs-did not notice people had strokes, heartattacks etc. Up to 35% of cases may be long lasting-in the US alone that number could be over a million by now. (DJ again the Diamond Princess is still in worldometers with 48 active cases, 4 critical-for months now).PP/CM people did have amputations, did lose fingers, legs due to clotting..DJ-.this is not recovery but surviving as a wreck

-PP-quating an NBCnewsarticle; CDC admits 1/3 of non-hospitalized Covid cases do not recover in the three weeks after diagnosis. CDC; Covid19 can result in prolonged illness including young adults. Even in "mild cases". PP-In the age group of 18 to 25 20% see prolonged illness. (DJ-And that is very bad !!!)

-Cardiac MRI's show (in mild cases) 78% long lasting heart problems, 60% heart inflamation after a Covid19 infection. 

-An Israeli report on vitamin D shows adequate vitamin D may provide protection. (<20 nanogram=inadequate in average) PP/CM works like a hormone effects all kind of defenses and processes. DJ-So then there could be a "wniter effect" with people going less outside-lower vitamin D bigger exposure ? Will it get much worse in autumn and winter ?????

-Conclusions big pharma=big media pushing for MRNA medication that may not work-is expensive, while HCQ (with Zinc !) vitamin D and Prednisone in severe cases is showing good results-but not making enough profit. Medical boards are pulling licenses from doctors going for (H)CQ treatments...

Recovery in 1/3 in all cases takes long-if not permanent damage, also in young people. 

DJ-Also news of refugees resqued from a both near Malta 60 of them tested positive for Covid 19. Refugee-numbers are going up again. 

-WAR [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/someone-in-google-thought-this-was-funny[/url] DJ-Hal Turner and many others are warning for a further escalation of the US-China crisis. Maybe [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/[/url] is just promoting his show. Given the international chaos-both in climate and health, economy I think one might expect "something very stupid". 

In my opininon the worst year in recent history was 1945-yes Germany and Japan were beaten but the fire bombing of Dresden and [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo[/url], A-bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, increased mass murders by both Germany and Japan made killing a industry. I do not have the exact figures but maybe half of all deaths of world war two were in 1945.

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Frank[/url] died in early 45, the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_famine_of_1944%E2%80%9345[/url] killed over 20.000 here in NL. After the war ended 10% of NL was under water, most infrastructure and lots of cities destroyed. Germany, Russia was even worse. 

This year seems on its way to become the new worst year-or will it be 2021 ? A food crisis, health crisis, climate crisis, economic crisis mixed on an as good as global scale. 

DJ-Terrible news-let me end with some music from Bretagne/Brittany-western France. The "interCeltic"night [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCpa8b5XSww[url] goes wild. (Of course once-long ago German Tribes pushed the Celtic ones to/over the Edge into Scotland, Ireland and western France. The Franks were a German tribe-romanized-it started a whole lot of long/ever lasting conflicts).

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DJ-Some other stories;

 -The biggest NL fair in NL will be held here in Arnhem at the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GelreDome[/url] parking lot. Over 70 attractions-three weeks-will attract people from a wide area-Benelux, Germany-in the middle of a pandemic....

-As a reminder [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megadeath[/url] we did see a lot of "kilodeath events" the last hundred years. If people are in any doubt on what people can do to other people-a short list.

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre[/url] 1937-38 Japanese mass murder killing between 40.000 and 300.000 Chinese. 

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor[/url] and [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333[/url] starving between 3.3 and 3.9 Ukraine people and 2 million Kazakhs (40% of the Kazakh-population) in 1932,33

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine[/url] the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine#Death_toll[/url] most likely in tens of millions in 1958-62 "Great Leap Forward". 

In my last post I did mention firebombing of Tokyo march 1945-killing 100.000 Japanes citizens, Dresden, Niroshima, Nagasaki. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bombing_during_World_War_II[/url] The Tokyo bombing was tested on Wuhan in China december 1944 killing over 40.000 most Chinese. 

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp[/url] Killing on an industrial scale-the total number of nazi and japanese mass murders must be over 20 million. 

Bombing is a way to kill lots of people, sinking ships kills a lot as well [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_maritime_disasters_in_World_War_II[/url] and [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_maritime_disasters_in_the_20th_century[/url] in general the wider the distance between the "killer" and its victims the more people end up killed. 

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_India[/url] I believe post war Germany [url]https://www.histclo.com/essay/war/ww2/after/ger/occ/west/ow-food.html[/url] did see a starvation of 200.000 during the 1946-47 winter. 

DJ-What is my point ? Basicly there are no limits in the hurt people can do on eachother. With industrialization maybe the scale of killing went up. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War[/url] But between 1618-1648 20% of Germans were killed-8 million deaths. 

A strong warning. In the present crisis we need to do all we can to avoid those hoorible mistakes and crimes of our past. Any nuclear war is a crime, basicly war is a crime in my opinion. There is no need for mass-starvation-eventhough we are again moving that way. We have always a choice ! It does not have to be that way !

On the long lasting damage-into the third (present) generation of the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_famine_of_1944%E2%80%9345[/url] the following [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_famine_of_1944%E2%80%9345#Legacy[/url] (Besides the damage of the famine war neurosis etc also did effect next generations) ;

The Dutch famine of 1944–45 was a rare case of a famine which took place in a modern, developed, and literate country, albeit one suffering under the privations of occupation and war. The well-documented experience has helped scientists to measure the effects of famine on human health.

The Dutch Famine Birth Cohort Study[10] found that the children of pregnant women exposed to famine were more susceptible to diabetesobesity, cardiovascular disease, microalbuminuria and other health problems.[11]

Moreover, the children of the women who were pregnant during the famine were smaller, as expected. However, surprisingly, when these children grew up and had children those children were thought to also be smaller than average.[12] This data suggested that the famine experienced by the mothers caused some kind of epigenetic changes that were passed down to the next generation. Despite this, a subsequent study by the same author failed to find a correlation between maternal exposure to famine and birth weight of the next generation.[13]

The discovery of the cause of coeliac disease may also be partly attributed to the Dutch famine. With wheat in very short supply there was an improvement at a children's ward of coeliac patients. Stories tell of the first precious supplies of bread being given specifically to the (no longer) sick children, prompting an immediate relapse. Thus in the 1940s the Dutch paediatrician Dr. Willem Dicke[14] was able to corroborate his previously researched hypothesis that wheat intake was aggravating coeliac disease.[15] Later Dicke went on to prove his theory.

Audrey Hepburn spent her childhood in the Netherlands during the famine and despite her later wealth she had lifelong negative medical repercussions. She suffered from anemia, respiratory illnesses, and œdema as a result.[16]

Subsequent academic research on the children who were affected in the second trimester of their mother's pregnancy found an increased incidence of schizophrenia in these children.[17] Also increased among them were the rates of schizotypal personality and neurological defects.[18]

Some studies have suggested that epigenetic damage caused by the famine has caused increased morbidity in the grandchildren of Hongerwinter survivors.[19]


[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines[/url], [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenerational_epigenetic_inheritance[/url]



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Completely OT but wanted to share with you Dutch Josh, Look what is coming to American Television this fall. Van der Velk - crime series, takes place in Amsterdam.

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Thanks, Tabitha111, [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Valk_(company)[/url] Van der Valk is a well known name in NL. Not because of a lot of people have that name but because of the hotel and restaurant chain they run. (A cliche on their restaurant was overserving apple juice-but that is old). They have had some legal problems with tax and illegal workers/fair pay. I do not know if the family-company will be happy with a TV series with the same name....maye it will get on netflix ? 

To continu a bit OT further, [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hague[/url] I may like more than Amsterdam-of the three biggest NL cities. Has more parks, diversity in neighbourhoods etc. Eventhough Amsterdam is the Dutch capital the government, royals etc are in The Hague. (But I like Arnhem most...NL has so much to offer-tourist info       !)

-Covid19, [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] july 29 did see a record number of new cases-over 290.000 people tested positive. (And getting that number of people tested worldwide is a major archievement ! But a lot of infected people will NOT get any test.) April 17 did see almost 8500 Covid19 deaths in one day-yesterday over 7000 new Covid19-tested deaths-the trend is not going very well. In august we may expect daily number of new cases almost all days above 300.000, deaths going for new records. 

-Dr. John Campbell on Deutsche Welle on the "second" European Wave [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pDD1RGXH0I[/url]

-DJ-I expected Covid19 would turn to younger people. The WHO now is seeing younger people getting infected as very concerning. It would have been nice if they had done more to prevent that. Therewere two lines; Covid19 moving into "poor countries" with a younger population and in "rich countries" young people feeling safe-"Covid19 only kills old people"-idea. I expect the trend to get even worse-more and younger people will get infected. 

-Another worry has to be spread in/via animals. In NL now over 20% of the mink-farms did see infection in minks. With-as far as detected-very limited spread-via minks into humans. There has been very limited reporting on Covid19 in minks-some Denmark cases-but most likely it must be much more widespread and be overlooked. International covid-cats did get more attention. So far no reports of cats spreading Covid19 to other cats or humans-most likely because "we" are not looking. With street-cats all over the globe it is even a bigger problem than Covid19 in minks. There were some fears of other animals (ferrets, rabbits) as possible spreaders-can pigs get infected ? DJ-I think there may be an even bigger problem we are not yet seeing-Covid19 must be in other species by now.

-Some claim still Covid19 is "a bad flu"-it is not. It is a very bad pandemic. A very big problem is also that we are running out of defenses. A total lack of coordination-national governments fighting with regional administrations, "health-regions", mayors-the WHO totally failing. NPI-Non Pharma Intervention maybe masks and social distancing, working from home may still work. In some places groceries etc. can be delivered to your house. One can minimize the risk of exposure-spread the chaos escalating on the health care system. But NPI will not stop the virus. Our hopes-in my opinion-has to be on finding the best treatments-to limit damage, damage control. If there would come some working vaccines-around the globe a lot of people are working on it-good ! We will be in this "storm" for at least another year...

-Economic damage will be unbelievable...as I did see here earlier-it is wrong to push money into airlines that spread the virus. You-as a government are investing in the problem-not the solution. There is no money for "luxeries" left-it is a battle for survival. Priorities should be food, clean water, energy, maintaining a basic infrastructure and safety. But before that idea becomes rule money may have lost most of its value by over-creating it and giving it on people that do not need it. A food crisis is on its way, a watercrisis, energycrisis, housing crisis etc all coming soon. It should have been prevented....

-BP Eartwatch [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w6lbim6GX0[/url] on Tropical Storm (TS) Isaias moving close to Haïti etc towards Florida-also pushing a lot of Saharan dust with it bringing bad health conditions (wear a mask). There is a lot of uncertainty on this TS-latest models expect Isaias west of Florida this weekend-most likely still as a TS. But it may surprise us-in trajectory, strenght, both could become much weaker or even-small chance-cat1 hurricane. 

-[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/if-usa-dares-to-deploy-thaad-systems-or-f-35-fighter-jets-in-taiwan-it-will-be-the-day-china-s-pla-liberates-taiwan[/url] DJ-China has red lines. The US did follow a one-China policy-not sending the best weapons to Taiwan. That changed. If the US would send the "best"of their weapons-and Taiwan was willing to accept that it would escalate matters even more...we are already much to close to the abyss, no need to get any closer. [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/state-newspaper-warns-china-will-definitely-retaliate-if-trump-stages-october-surprise[/url]

-[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/us-tech-giants-dont-actually-produce-anything[/url] DJ-The US is producing energy at costs that do not cover productioncosts, trying to sell it at prices that do not compete in the middle of tradewars, sanctions. Boeing is losing ground on the Corona-crisis (less demand) tradewars (it can not sell to many countrie) technical problems, competition (Airbus etc.). US weapons did loose their markets, so google, facebook etc. remains-for how long ? 

DJ-In the 90's the idea was global trade would concentrate around the Pacific. Asian Tigers and the US would "run the show". In 2020 EurAsian integration is full speed. With (rail)road construction, Arctic Sea route for energy from Russia to China. Most likely two reasons for this shift; 1 China did become the main global economy (by outsourcing a.o. US firms did go for low-pay in China) and 2 a "new cold war". Increased tensions did push for Russia-Iran-China "strategic partnership". Trump destroying all kind of treaties did even push the EU away from the US. 

Still there is a extreme demand for food, energy etc in wich the US can play a major role. [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/how-secure-bidens-lead[/url] A lot of people in the US say they will vote for Biden but expect Trump to win the US elections-the split in the US is destroying the US. Just like the EU, UK for the US a question has to be-do we go on as one country ? Or is it wiser to accept a "divorce" to make the best of it ? What the US needs most is a person that can unite the country-not divide it. 

Alice Cooper for US president ? [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duimyEOSbY0[/url] (DJ-With that much wealth and potential in the US in my opinion the US could stay #1 in the world. It is mismanagement-not making the very rich pay tax, going for extreme costly wars, not dealing with education, climate, public healthcare etc that is destroying the US.)




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DJ-PP/Chris Martenson is taking a deserved vacation. I am not a fan of PP-market update. Gold moving up-loss of trust in US$, €, shares-only will speed up with Covid-cases exploding. [url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/07/real-dutch-covid-19-death-toll-likely-to-be-above-10000-says-cbs/[/url] Real cases may be (at least) double the tested cases (in developed countries-in "poor countries most likely closer to 10 times higher-statistics may have no relation with reality). 

Not only in the US-a lot of countries-people may start losing their home due to the economic impact of Covid19. Governments should try to intervene. The last thing you want is a sharp increase of homelessness during a pandemic with the autumn in sight. Since governments so far failed to take action-I fear a lot of people will be kicked out of not only their own safety but also public safety. 

It is in general interest, public health-to do everything to contain the virus. For what it is worth [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] statistics indicate Covid19 speeding up. It is good if the WHO, countries admit Covid19 to be the "biggest health crisis"-but thet should act on it. 

With at least 40% of cases a/pre-symptomatic, limited testing, up to at least 5 days between infections and first signs of illness tested cases is the END of the line in the first phase of illness. Spread of the virus peak just before symptoms show up-if they do show up at all. The present testing, taking temperatures etc. will most likely miss most cases of virus spread. The only good advice I can think of (and I do not have a medical background at all-just a big mouth and some common sense, know a little bit of history) is social distancing. (And the bad part of that is LONG TERM-january 2021 ? social distancing.) 

The Covid19 virus is strong-also showing up (again) in countries that use face masks on awider scale. I (DJ) think masks are helping to keep viral loads down but "internet"has to save us-teleshopping, home delivery etc. 

Vaccines-on a large scale-maybe can change the picture in 2021 or 2022-NOT in the short term on a large scale-if they can make a significant difference at all. Most likely-as in other coronavirus-forget about herd-immunity. As far as I have seen the info in most cases immunity in "recovered cases" only last a few months. 

The biggest problem is a total lack of governing. Nobody seems to take any responsability. This can create chaos and anarchy on an unseen scale, worldwide...

Some other background;

-[url]https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/blog/2020/07/30/isaias-strengthening-on-approach-to-the-turks-caicos-and-bahamas/[/url], BP Earthwatch [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vYU8qOMiBM&feature=emb_rel_end[/url] and NHC [url] https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/[/url] DJ-Hurricane cat1 Isaias is moving towards the US-will reach Florida saterday. There is a chance of further strengthening with central pressure dropping. So far Isaias is surprising us. I myself would not be surprised if it would-at some stage-become a major hurricane cat3. But there is a lot of uncertainty. Most likely Isaias will follow the US/Canada Atlantic coast and could be a major risk. It will further increase Covid19 cases. 

Two other systems in the Atlantic. It may take a few days to find out how they develop-Saharan dust may be limiting them-but the dust itself is a problem. 

-Hal Turner [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/it-s-gone-global-video-from-htrs-is-lead-story-in-epoch-times-china-alerting-citizens-of-nuclear-war-with-usa[/url] and [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/bulletin-extremely-urgent[/url] DJ-WAR is another global very serious risk. [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/pentagon-admits-risk-mistakenly-firing-land-based-nuclear-missiles-rare-memo[/url] Defense systems can get out of control. The picture I am getting of an Israeli air strike on a target in Syria killing-by accident I am willing to believe-a Lebanese Hizbollah person-and Israel trying to excuse itself via mediators to Lebanon-is another news item of how things can go wrong. 

The US inspecting a Iran civil aircraft on a flight from Teheran to Beirut above Syria could have ended with a plane crash. We did see how Iran reacted in 1988 after the US-by mistake-did shoot down a civil aircraft -in december the PanAm boeing crashed at Lockerbie. 

The only sensible thing nobody is doing is de-escalation. And there are now many frontlines were things can get very much out of control. 

US forces-against international law (and any common sense) in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan will get attacked. Both the US and Israel did attack targets in Syria and Iraq-also (pro) Iran targets. Russian forces (and most likely some Chinese intelligence) is mixed with pro-Assad forces in Syria. There have baan "major incidents" (in one case some US sources claimed "hundreds of Russian Private Military Contractors PMC's (mercenaries) " were killed in US airstrikes in Eastern Syria. Russian airstrikes in Aleppo-a few years back-most likely killed a "NATO-"rebel" team coordinating the jihadi's.) 

I think it is realistic to claim the US and Israel are already at war with Iran in Syria and Iraq. Both China and the US are "preparing"for further escalation in a.o. the South China Sea. The Arctic is a new frontline (with Russian oil. LNG shipping via the Arctic Sea Route to China). The international situation is "a nightmare" most of all because communications are close to nothing. 

And then of course there is North Korea, India-Pakistan, the chances for a war/invasion in Venezuela (from Colombia, Brazil-with US help) etc. 

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DJ-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] shows another close to 290.000 new tested Covid19 cases for july 31. Both in cases and deaths the America's are overrepresented in these statistics. There seems to be a trend that younger people get infected-it will take some time to know more on the outcome of their disease. Will they get less ill, recover faster ? Will the disease "develop" into a milder form-more like a cold ? 

In my (DJ) opinion there are two Covid19 related problems bigger than the virus itself;

1-The lack of sense in responding to the virus. From denial to go for maximizing profits, political games-the amount of stupidity is extreme. (And makes me almost believe there might be a hidden genocidal agenda.)

2-Airpolution makes peoplmuch more vulnarable, overpopulation-more than half of the global population living in cities-do cause the virus to spread faster. 

By naming these two problems one can also see were solutions can be found. Short term-better response-strong government taking responsability for the public well being. Long term we have to reduce fossil fuels-but we are not doing so. We have to build better, cleaner cities with enough "green", more room for cycling, walking, public transport and much less cars. If we gave the room we now give to-the problem- cars to the solution-green human friendly design of were we live we would be better in dealing with the coming healthissues, less (heat)stress etc. 

Maybe the corona-virus itself was not our choice, the way we deal with it is our choice !

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/07/covid-19-update-heart-damage-and-aerosols.html[/url] Good piece-the wrong view of Covid19 as a lung-issue did overlook hearth failures, brain issues, many other problems. A discussion on what should be counted as a Covid19 death and what not is not very usefull. If one wishes to deny a problem because those people do not like the solutions-are not willing to admit the strategy so far did fail-the problem will only get bigger. 

Some background;

[url]https://www.rt.com/op-ed/496803-us-troop-pullout-germany-relations/[/url] DJ-There were some polls in Germany-most of them indicate Germans welcome the US Army to get out of Germany. The US did spent billions in military infrastructure in Germany. Most likely that now goes to the German-or other European-military. The gap between the US and EU/Europe is widening. 

Some other articles interesting; [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/xi-hails-now-fully-operational-china-controlled-satellite-navigation-system-which-rivals[/url], 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-heart-matter-south-china-sea[/url],

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/why-iran-china-oil-alliance-so-important[/url]

DJ-Again looking at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] the US, India, Latin America, Middle East-Gulf States are on top of the list in Covid19 cases. Russia and Iran also have a major problem-but Covid19 seems to be pushing a lot of countries towards China. In a military sense most likely the US is not only losing allies, it also has a major healthissue. Even without an open war the Russian-Iran-China integration-and cooperation with the EU (for energy and trade, climate, science&technology (taxes on google, facebook etc by the EU) is going fast. 

As the MoA article mentions the 1957/58 H2N2 flu pandemic did decrease US GDP in 1958 by 10%. The present economic damage for the US is much worse. [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/partial-lockdowns-expand-europe-new-covid-19-cases-climb-china-hong-kong-live-updates[/url] and [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/feds-dollar-debasement-will-trigger-unprecedented-structural-shift[/url].. "The world" has had enough of US wars and agression. Now it is time for global changes. 

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Most likely Hal Turner would like to believe "democrats" send Isaias after him [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/hurricane-track-moves-west-may-come-ashore-in-new-jersey[/url].. But [url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/035129.shtml?rainqpf#contents[/url] there is a real problem-on top of Covid19-worsening the crisis even further. 

[url]https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/blog/2020/07/31/hurricane-isaias-moving-through-the-bahamas/[/url] Isaias may hit West Palm Beach saterday-get over land and thereby weaken-or it can stay at the ocean and follow the US east coast further north to do more damage as a stronger storm. Lots of uncertainties. [url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5[/url] As we move further into the hurricane season-with ocean waters heating up-storms may get stronger. 

There are several places at this world now dealing with 50C/120F temperatures-the US SW, Iraq, Pakistan. Other places can expect extreme heat events this starting August. It will further effect foodproduction, healthissues. [url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/07/a-new-locust-swarm-arrives-in-argentina.html[/url] Countries that are willing to cooperate internationally may be better of than those that put sanctions on almost all other countries and treat international agreements as toiletpaper. 

Maybe the basic point is character-do you care for other people or do you only go for your own interest-do you seek a balance, open to learn or are you closing your eyes and increase speed in the hope something good will come out of it ? 

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DJ-Let me start with maybe a lighter part-the Covid-helmet [url]https://www.rt.com/news/496867-covid19-protective-helmet-colombia/[/url] - maybe an idea ? Dr. Fauci came with the idea that safety glasses could be usefull for further protection. Also the spread of the virus in places like Hong Kong that did use facemasks on a large scale may ask for further improvements in protection. 

I do use links-first of all to show I am not making things up but also to provide readers a way to get further info. Lots of countries have news sites in English, also there are many other media in English with good info. (Just trying to open doors...)

On this forum-in the Latest News section VIqueen24 did post a link to a Vanity Fair article on how US testing plans went puff. A very good article-since the basic question of the relationship between citizens and their government is a social contract. I am willing to follow government rules because I want to trust my government. I may not always agree with them-still accept the government in a way most times represent the will of a majority in my society. 

When that trust is gone you end up in chaos. 

When you look at history you know "governments do not deserve blind trust"-still the room for individuals to "go their own way" is also very limited. You have to balance. 

The way many governments showed they were/are unable to deal with a pandemic is shocking. This pandemic could have been stopped in an early stage in january. I find it very hard to believe intelligent people in both governments and health experts can be so very wrong. On the other side-what could be a motive to let this pandemic get that much out of control ? 

I do not want to believe in our governments going for genocide of most of the population-but the alternative-yes, intelligent people can do very foolish things may not be that much better. 

When you have the luxery of some form of self-isolation-staying away the best you can from the virus-you are very lucky. It may not last forever-social collapse somehow will get to you one way or the other-but for now you may be able to survive-give society room to deal with those that do need more care now. 

But trust is needed when governments want to go for vaccinations, apps-to control movements and contacts, put restrictions and rules-limit freedoms. And that trust is becoming increasingly a problem. [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/red-flags-soar-big-pharma-will-be-exempt-covid-19-vaccine-liability-claims[/url]

One saying is "trust comes by foot and goes on horseback"-it is hard to get trusted-easy to loose it. To deal with the present pandemic the first very essential step is regaining trust. The opposite is happening-social unrest will increase...

Some links [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/bankers-again-making-everything-worse-despite-getting-billions-in-public-money[/url] DJ-Governments can create money but when that money does not get were it is needed most those credits do not work for their intended goal-create only a big pile of money that will end up in the wrong hands. (Since banks have to pay interest over money they "park" at major banks-so the idea is banks will give loans. But when risks are this big should credits go via private banks ? Why not the IRS/tax office ? They have a lot of information-should be able to be of service ?)

For Dutch speaking people [url]https://twitter.com/DieTukkerfries/status/1289704641765109760[/url] Jelmer Visser working on Covid statistics. He also works for [url]https://innovationorigins.com/the-second-corona-wave-emerges-in-europe/[/url] . And of course he is correct-we are-global-in the first wave. For Europe it is First wave-part two. His statistics for Aragon-Spain needed a new legend on the map since it had 220 new cases per 100.000 in one week-the earlier record was 163-per 100.000 people. To be able to compare statistics [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] also uses cases/deaths per million. And yes 220 new case per 100.000=2200 cases per 1 milion in just one week is shocking. 

DJ-Again-statistics "provide at best a shadow of reality". If people do want to go for a test they often do have symptoms already-do spread the virus if infected. So there is a delay of the incubation period of at average 5 days. Testing around the globe is still a problem. Still here in the NL the government/RIVM (Dutch CDC) come up with stupid stories-numbers go up because testing goes up. 

Again-this does not increase my trust in government or health authorities...

DJ-Yes war and weather events go on, economies collapse...maybe I put links to that next time...

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One of my favorite songs from my teen years...from a Dutch band from The Hague.

Apapros for our current times! 

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Tabitha111-title is fitting for present-but Radar Love I like more [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9GcoCV31gc&list=RDK9GcoCV31gc&start_radio=1[/url] -by the way [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Earring#Later_years_(1990s%E2%80%93present)[/url] me be the longest lasting band-started in 1961-still active ! (Two young boys-13 and 15 started the band !) [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u06yfRWifPk[/url] 

"Sound of the screaming day" fits also present corona-days ! (So-it is not of topic !   )

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I love Radar Love too!!

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Barry Hay's Mum was a friend of my Mum.  I used to have a signed poster somewhere - long since lost - sigh.

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Techno-I did know Barry Hay was in the Dutch Playgirl [url]http://www.golden-earring-museum.nl/articles/art0411.htm[/url] in 1988  their online-museum is under revision. [url]http://www.golden-earring-museum.nl/[/url].. 

Of course The Hague was/is the Dutch music-city. [url]https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorie:Haagse_band[/url] From [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq2X6LaKXew[/url] the Golden Earing(s) -Give me just a little bit of peace in my heart-1968 to Shocking Blue-Venus [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPEhQugz-Ew[/url] got to #1 in the US february 1970. 

Also groups like Q65 [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVGRuD5zSa0[/url] The life I live, Earth&Fire [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL6rMomAA40[/url] Maybe Tomorrow, maybe tonight-had lots of good music !

Later on Within Temptation -Ice Queen [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWNOLqs1IPQ[/url] and Anouk - nobody's wife [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RaHTDNude4[/url]  showed up. 

Of course-this is all "off topic" but I put it here because "here and now" sometimes can use "then and there"....

Looking at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] total number of tested cases=18.2million. North America has almost 5,7million, South America 4,2 million tested Covid19 cases-together almost 10 million cases on 1/7th of the global population. 

There are two reasons for that named trump and bolsenaro. These two men use the virus to get rid of part of the population they do not like. With netanyahu in Israel they go for "gangs" against protestors. 

Another look at the numbers; the top 5 in cases represent 10,5 million cases. After the US come BRI(C)S excluding China the emerging economic powers make the top of the list. 

Comparing it with the Spanish Flu (between 1916/17 and 1923 from wave 0/1 to the latest cases in the colonies) one would expect with less transport in those days-a family-based agricultural society the virus would not spread that fast. The role of returning soldiers after World War One to their countries and colonies may have been a major reason for that global spread. 

Some claim-the Spanish Flu ended the war. Maybe, but it at least also made it a pandemic. One wonders how the Spanish Flu would have developed without that "Big War". 

Society maybe could deal with the damages better, food-production and logistics were less an issue. Living in families made that often all of the family did get infected-and often died, explaining the high number of casulties.

In 2020 most people live in urban area's. Maybe income inbalance-in relative terms-is even greater than during the Spanish Flu. We may live less in families but Covid19 may kill most in urban area's-a big city disease. Since an urban way of living demands more logistics in food supply-feeding the almost 8 billion people compared to the 2 billion around 1918-our societies may be more vulnarable. 

We "need"electricity, watersupply-in 1918 they had their local solutions, from oil-lamps to wells and often drinkable riverwater also providing fish. 

The Spanish Flu killed between 2 to 5% of the global population. The lowest numbers-20 million deaths most likely ignoring the numbers of the colonies/"third world"-often estimates at best. An average of 50 million deaths-some go as far as 100 million people dying from the Spanish Flu. 

Healthcare was "primitive but widespread"-nowadays concentrated high tech but today only able to deal with very limited numbers. Our present society turns out not to be pandemic-proof at all. Even who decides on what turns out to be a major problem. "Experts" fail in giving workable information in time-while politics hide behind the experts...

To put it maybe to extreme; "Saving the economy may kill us all" in my opinion shows bad choices are being made-from the beginning of this pandemic most likely somewere in 2019 to the present day. 

Again-this pandemic came on top of many crises already on their way. The climate crisis may be the hardest one to deal with. [url]http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2020/07/arctic-sea-ice-could-disappear-completely-within-two-months-time.html[/url]

That is why I started this post with music-I also end it this way; Storm and Thunder-Earth & Fire [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctmaapt68Lg[/url] from 1972... 

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DJ-Covid19 was allowed a holiday in Europe, came back full of energy for a new round; Very good article with lots of recent statistics and maps. In my opinion the only real data we may have. (I do not know what to think of [url]https://theduran.com/another-failure-of-the-covid-diagnostic-test-jon-rappoports-blog/[/url] is PCR testing not validated ? Enough/to much people do get ill and die-but are PCR-test not a good way of testing ? )

[url]https://innovationorigins.com/the-corona-map-covid-19-returns-from-vacation-while-countries-are-still-recovering/[/url] 

Data journalist Jelmer Visser closely follows the developments surrounding the coronavirus. Are we seeing exponential growth again today?


The month of August once again seems to be dominated by the coronavirus in Europe. The lung virus, which by now has infected more people than the entire population of the Netherlands, is still raging around the world at full speed. Our continent has been relatively quiet for two months, but this seems to have come to a definite end with the recent increases in most countries.

Two weeks ago, new purple peaks were visible on the map in some areas. Last week the start of the second wave was unmistakable and now the pandemic is definitely back. The recent summer surge started in Belgium and Spain, but now the figures are also rising towards alarming levels in many other countries.

The end of July: No heat, but a corona wave

Last week, compared to a week earlier, the increases were most significant in Western Europe. Belgium, in particular, seems to be taking another hit. The outbreak in the province of Antwerp increased by 83 per 100,000 (1,543 diagnoses), making it the seventh highest weekly increase.


The rest of Belgium is also considerably darker than last week. This “stain” transcends national borders. This can be clearly seen, for example, in the province of South Holland. Here, the number of infections increased by 925, which amounts to an increase of 24.5 per 100,000 inhabitants in seven days. This is equivalent to a 35th position in the list of more than 300 parts of Europe. In Benelux, South Holland is number three on the worrying list after Antwerp and Luxembourg. This unwanted summer trend is also visible in neighboring French and German regions.

The Netherlands, however, shows a very different type of distribution than Belgium. Whereas our southern neighbors show growth throughout the country, this is not the case in the Netherlands. The country seems to be divided into a wild west and an orderly east. In fact, Drenthe and Friesland are among the areas with the fewest new infections of the entire continent. With less than 10 new positive diagnoses in the past week, these two northern provinces at places 18 and 22 are on the “good” side of the list.

Spain currently has the greatest cause for concern. Cases in the northeast of the country are rising at an unprecedented rate, with Aragon as the outlier. Although this autonomous region is not much larger than Utrecht or Overijssel in terms of population, the number of infections increased by no less than 2,913. This amounts to an astronomical 220.8 per 100,000 inhabitants. Such a high weekly increase has not been observed in Europe since the start of this series at the beginning of May. The Basque country, Catalonia and Navarre are also among the regions where the fire of the second wave is most intense.

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DJ-Yesterday-august 3-was a "good day" when you look at Covid-statistics [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] less than 200.000 new tested cases, less then 5000 new tested Covid19 deaths is "a good day". Main reason most likely the weekend...here in NL the number of people going for a test also decreased.

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/unheard-stories-economic-despair-americas-worst-economic-downturn-great-depression[/url] (with a link to [url]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/27/how-the-eviction-crisis-will-impact-each-state.html[/url] )

DJ-If people end up having to make a choice between food and medication, when people still recovering from Covid-19 are forced to look for an income or end up at the street-government is not doing its basic job. It is the job of the government to serve its population-not the other way round ! Politicians forget very often they are in service of the people that they are supposed to represent. If in the US 40 million people loose their housing due to Covid19 it is bad politics. 

Although it is summer still-with a hurricane/TS on its way to New York City, we here in NL may face a "super-heatwave" (DJ-a "normal" heatwave in NL is 5 days in a row of 25C+ with at least 3 of them 30C+-a "super-heatwave" is 5 days 30C+ with at least 3 days 35C+. Historically very extreme for NL. We only did see this happen in the 21st century-already 4 times in 2003, 2015, 2018 and 2019. [url]https://www.noodweer.be/wat-is-een-superhittegolf/[/url] Dutch link) We may be seeing one the coming week(s). 

Of course this should be very alarming-extreme heat showing up more and more-still no real action to stop that-just like the lack of any serious action to deal with Covid19. Here in NL the cabinet/government is on holiday-most likely switch to extreme over-reaction-blame citizens etc. Our PM Rutte will claim "we did not wash our hands hard enough"and other non-sense. The main reason for Covid-cases exploding in-so far South-west part of- NL is the same as in february-international travel. 

Covid19 may be destroying "western dominance" it does not stop other global far reaching changes. [url]https://www.debka.com/unlikely-iranian-bedfellows-foster-secret-25-year-deal-with-china/[/url] In Israel some find it difficult to see their enemie-of-choice Iran is now a strategic partner of China. 

[url]https://theduran.com/the-spirit-of-apollo-soyuz-is-alive-with-the-russia-china-space-alliance/[/url] DJ-I remember the Soviet-era "Inter Cosmos programm" bringing people from the GDR "East-Germany", Viet Nam but also France into space. A space-race is not only very expensive it is also very dangerous when you see space as a battleground. 

(DJ-It would be so nice if the US would stop making everythingh a conflict-zone, from the Arctic to space etc. It would also be nice if some countries did get their own foreign policy and not follow the US with closed eyes. I do understand the US struggle to "remain a superpower"-I do not see why the UK is going this far in joining the US in the US mistakes. Again-if the US would seek cooperation instead of confrontation the US would be in a much better position.)

[url]https://southfront.org/economic-analysis-russia-china-bilateral-trade-and-cooperation/[/url] DJ-China may be a/the "winner"of this Corona-crisis-if there is a "winner". Even without a major war the damage is already getting very extreme. 

On a global scale we are only in the first wave of Covid19. Some countries did do well to do stupid later on-now face the consequences. Even if a vaccine would come [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/no-silver-bullet-whos-tedros-warns-covid-19-vaccine-may-never-be-found[/url] and [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/covid-19-vaccine-could-mean-lifetime-injections-no-guarantee-immunity[/url] (DJ-Both not "new") you would need to be able to use it on a global scale...

Good News ! DJ-Looking at Dutch Covid-data the area were 27 of 128 mink farms did see Covid19 infections do not show a major increase in human Covid19 cases. So it is not spreading from minks to humans on a large scale (yet). Also not via infected cats or other animals....

Music [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ah1JM9mf60[/url] I don't want a holiday in the sun-now I got a reason....

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DJ-WAR 

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/beirut-explosion.html[/url], [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-nuke-just-go-beirut-terrifying-mystery-blast-shockwave-filmed-over-lebanon[/url], [url]https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/08/04/631084/Lebanon-explosions-Beirut-Hariri[/url],

[url]https://www.rt.com/news/497080-beirut-explosion-lebanon-videos/[/url] and [url]https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1290673207595458560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1290673207595458560%7Ctwgr%5E393535353b636f6e74726f6c&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rt.com%2Fnews%2F497080-beirut-explosion-lebanon-videos%2F[/url] 

DJ-It was NOT [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/partial-nuclear-detonation-beirut-lebanon[/url] (if there was much radiation we would know by now). 

DJ-As in some comments-this explosion simply was to big to be caused by "fireworks". The MoA speculates some shipment may have exploded-some report "something flying". 

It could be an Iranian shipment for Hizbollah was attacked-most likely by Israel (or the US). We may soon learn more. 

[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/several-casualties-and-significant-damage-reported-in-beirut-health-ministry/[/url] and [url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/massive-explosion-causes-shockwave-around-beirut-port-video/[/url] (DJ-AlMasdarNews is stationed in Beirut). [url]https://southfront.org/massive-explosions-rock-port-of-lebanese-capital-multiple-people-killed-injured-videos/[/url]

DJ-Maybe a shipment was attacked/sabotaged and the attackers "did get a much bigger explosion than they expected"? I do for this moment not believe the fireworks-story. 

[url]https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202008041080056268-powerful-explosion-occurs-near-beiruts-port/[/url] DJ-Start of war by distraction ? (Or did a fireworksexplosion cause a grainsilo explosion-destroying a large area in Beirut ???)

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"Lebanon's National News Agency reported a fire breaking out at what it called an explosives depot at the port. "https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-53656220

The theory of some arms shipment looks like it might be credible.  But there must have been a lot stored if damage occurred all over the city.

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DJ-I try to catch what happened-[url]https://www.debka.com/mivzak/first-report-of-massive-explosions-in-beirut/[/url] and [url]https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202008041080057184-israel-denies-responsibility-for-massive-blast-in-beirut-knesset-tv-says/[/url] 

The explosion could be heard on Cyprus-may have killed hundreds of people...among many others also Dutch embassy staff woonded. [url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/secretary-general-of-kataeb-party-killed-in-beirut-port-explosion/[/url]

(DJ-Since this is very major-consequences will be major. Lebanon as a country "may need foreign resque"-Iran, China, Russia will be willing to help-Israel did attack Hizbollah and Iran targets in/via Lebanon many times. Even if Israel was not involved others may use it for their goals. )

Point is "fireworks"  do not blow up in that scale/way. [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/beirut-explosion.html[/url] ;

This rumor in Beirut is that this was an accident at a fireworks facility. To me it seems that the first explosion may indeed have been of fireworks. The crackling small explosions after the first explosion point to that.  But the second explosion was way too large for fireworks and must have been of something else.

This may also have been something other than an accident.

This comes at a time where more than half of the people in Lebanon live below the poverty line after a Ponzi scheme run by the Central Bank crashed the Lebanese currency and economy. Many people will not have enough money to pay for new window glass which will be hard to come by as the demand will now be extremely high. It also comes in the mid of the Coronavirus epidemic which currently ravages Lebanon and Syria.

On Friday a UN backed international tribunal will deliver its verdict over four men related to Hizbullah who are accused of planting the truck bomb that murdered the former Prime Minister Rafic Hariri some 15 years ago. The incident could be related to it.

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Head of General Security says the blast was caused by a fire in a depot of highly explosive material, including Sodium nitrate, at Beirut's port. He said that material was confiscated from a ship months ago and stored there. #Lebanon

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The damage throughout Beirut is huge. The sound of the explosion was heard and felt as far away as Cyprus, 240 kilometers / 150 miles away. A main facility of the EDL (Electricité du Liban) has been destroyed. Instead of several hours of electricity per day Beirut may now have none. The port is obliterated. The grain silos are destroyed. Lebanon depends on imports for nearly everything. There will be huge shortages of bread and everything else throughout the next months.

Most large shop windows in the main shopping district were blown out. The owners fear that their shops will be looted tonight.

-(from the comments)

There is a lot of decent quality clips out there. The big fire caught the attention of a lot of cameras and as a result there are a lots of different views of the fire followed by the explosion.
There is no sign of an aircraft in any of the clips. I wouldn't think you could rule out a missile on those grounds as I'm not sure it would be visible at low resolution.
There was two explosions very close together, The first a relatively low velocity blast blowing a huge red cloud into the air. The second a very high velocity shockwave creating the cloud ball, this requires a C4, Semtex, RDX type of explosive.
These type of explosives are not used in fireworks for reasons that are sadly obvious.

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DJ-WAR [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/gov-of-beirut-half-the-city-is-destroyed-by-explosion-tuesday[/url], [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/free-archive-show-knocked-off-air-when-discussing-beirut-nuclear-explosion[/url] and [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/partial-nuclear-detonation-beirut-lebanon[/url] Hal Turner is claiming the "fireworks that exploded"were Iranian missiles send/meant for Hezbollah. 

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/beirut-explosion/comments/page/2/#comments[/url]

DJ-There is a lot of discussion on this. It could have been a very serious accident, also an Israeli attack may be an option. Russia may have radar-info (from their coastal-Syria base). A France-24 reporter did hear what she described as "a jet". Some video's would show some sign of a missile.

Point is one may need no proof to blame someone. 

Looking at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] august 4 global did see an increase of another 250.000+ new cases,+6000 Covid-tested deaths. [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/[/url] Israel has Covid-cases exploding, Netanyahu one step away from prison for corruption. 

Hizbollah is a main political factor in Lebanon-and a major enemy of Israel. With the port of Beirut gone almost all import-facilities of Lebanon have been destroyed. [url]https://southfront.org/israeli-syrian-tensions-are-flaring-up/[/url] 

DJ-The timing of this major explosion is very suspicious-did Israel want to send a message to not only Hizbollah/Lebanon  but also Syria and Iran ? 

[url]https://community.defconwarningsystem.com/threads/developing-lebanese-capital-rocked-by-huge-explosion.14277/[/url]

-Peak Prosperity-do lockdowns do more harm than good ? [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp0hiFVm1U8[/url] ;

DJ-Is Chris Martenson (PP) now claiming Sweden, Trumpwere right ? T-cell immunity will not show up in antibody testing. If there is no lock down we may go through a first-needed phase and will get  cell herd immunity" much faster than with NPI. (?????) He comes up with statistics from Armenia-moving into a war-tested cases go down, London-UK till july 20, Mauretania versus Marocco....(does CM realize Mauretania may not be able to do much testing at all ?)

I would like to believe that "if we change strategy we may get out of the corona-health crisis" but I do not see convincing proof. I do get the feeling that-if we can not save many people let at least try to save some of the economy....

CM comes up with a statistical study from Denmark "only the old and chronicly ill get sick". Asia now is dealing with the mutated European form of Covid19 etc. (I want to stay polite....  )

Chris Martenson puts his brain in somewhat of a working mode at 24.30-"we do not know", long haulers (people that end up chronicly ill after Covid19-here in NL there is a large group of people still suffering from Q-fever years after infections), will immunity last ? (Was that realy a question-look at corona-colds-more than enough studies to say "No-it will not last !), will a second infection be more severe ? (He himself did have several cases in wich the answer is "yes")

Will the virus mutate (DJ when it infects millions of people shows up in minks, cats ferrets etc-CM at least is realistic-of course it will mutate !) Will vaccines offer lasting protection ? (Please...with a fast mutating RNA corona-virus widespread, there has not been a virus against cold-corona-virus).

Lock downs do so much economic damage, unemploywent, evictions etc. "we better have the virus because that will do less damage"(DJ-did you have your coffee Chris ? What happened to "bad managers" ? Should we not reform the way we live ?)

Maybe Chris Martenson should take a look at earlier video's he posted-he in this video goes against most he earlier claimed. When I read some of the comments below the You Tube video people ask who replaced Chris Martenson ? This episode is garbage ! Maybe Tropical Storm Isaias coming over influenced his thinking ?

DJ-In short why Chris Martenson is WRONG !!!! in this episode;

-Yes there were restrictions, a lot of people did not stick to those restrictions in most places (In China they most likely did or face a government that does take things serious).

-He knows of already a lot of people getting reinfected-often more severe in the second infection.

-He knows corona-cold virus do not provide long lasting immunity (either via B-cells-antibodies or T-cells)

-He knows vaccines work with human immune-reactions, if those reactions in other corona-virusses do not work it may be very hard to find a long time working vaccine

-He knows recovery (CDC 35% + 3 weeks) may take a "long time"even in youg healthy people

Conclusions: Even if you "open up the economy to save the economy"people will not go to restaurants to get infected, if they do have brains avoid flying, public transport-we are not government controlled robots (yet). A lot of places at best had "limited lock downs"to start with. 

Chris Martenson can do much better, "it does not have to be this way". I hope his next video's will be better...

DJ-Basicly there is just the statistics to follow-even if they-at best-give a "shadow of the facts". For the rest we can learn from history, use "common sense". Try to get "better managers with a vision" on how to reform society so that it can deal with pandemics. 

No way we should "restart an economy" if that economy is giving us not only this virus-fly-for-free pandemic, but also climate change, obesity, war and human exploitation. We can do better, we deserve better !

If PP/CM wanted to "cheer us up" there is nothing wrong with that-but please stay realistic !

DJ- We live in a very hard time, "no fun", I am very sorry for those hundreds killed in the Beirut explosion, the millions of covid-cases and over half a million deaths...music can offer comfort, we should not forget how to smile-specialy in the hardest time (I sometimes wonder how people survive in war zones, the blitz etc-in part by memories of better times, humor)

To offer comfort [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic1ZrI7bYKQ[/url] an old Dutch commercial showing 5 sining cows on how good the custard puddings produced from their milk taste...





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DJ, A lot of what you said I agree with, but one thing here we are seeing -- " virus fatigue", and therefore, "if you open it, they will come."  When we had a surge here in Allegheny County, the seat of which is Pittsburgh, the contract tracers determined that the three places people were getting infected were bars/restaurants, parties (graduation/4th of July), and vacations/road trips to other states that were more heavily infected.  And when our Governor Tom Wolf closed down/limited capacity in bars, restaurants, etc., people just went and had their own parties, backyard barbecues, etc., where they did not socially distance.  I saw some neighbors have a party like that back in May, very few masks, not much social distancing.  You can't fix stupid.

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ViQueen24-Replacing social (mis)behavior to other places is a problem during a pandemic. There were also reports of Italy, Spain etc during the lockdowns with people having a bar-at-home etc. If they were allowed shopping the did go shopping ten times a day. Walk with the dog till the dog dropped...That is why CM/PP this time-in my opinion-is very wrong. 

In most places lock downs were far from perfect-yes they did slow down infections-but if (T-cell) herd immunity would work it most likely would show-and it does not. 

Even countries with a tradition of face masks see infections going up. If there was some form of herd immunity it did not last long. 

What governments can do-and often fail to do-in time-is closing of borders, stopping international (air) travel. They put billions in airlines with no future but will cut on unemployment benefits.

-On the Lebanon story [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trump-says-beirut-explosion-attack-bomb-some-kind-after-briefed-generals[/url] ;

Did Trump just reveal classified information? Was he merely speculating like everyone else? 

Are his words based on legitimate intelligence information which contradicts the official story that it was an accident? It remains that he specifically invoked "our great generals" when citing the information. 

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"There are reports of toxic gases released in the explosion so all in the area should stay indoors and wear masks if available," the embassy said on its website.

(DJ-the toxic gases fit in with the Hal Turner claim "people advised to leave Beirut"-with gas leaks, electricity and water problems the 2,5 million people in that area are at growing risk of all kind of further health issues).

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DJ-Further trying to get more insight in the Beirut explosion;

[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/massive-explosion-at-beirut-port-equivalent-to-4-5-magnitude-earthquake-report/[/url] USGS M3.3 [url]https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us6000b9bx/executive[/url]

[url]https://www.rt.com/news/497118-beirut-blast-accident-chemist/[/url] ;

What I saw reminded me of the explosion in Toulouse. There were very similar consequences,” Frolov said, noting that the 2001 blast was equivalent to 20 to 40 tons of TNT. “In that explosion about 30 people were killed immediately, and about 3,000 were injured. So this gives me an exact parallel, that this explosion is very close, by its strength, to that one.”

Frolov also refuted speculation and concerns over a huge “mushroom-shaped cloud,” explaining it was common in the case of such a powerful conventional explosion. “This is actually the explosion itself… There was some special shape, and this shape is characteristic of very strong explosions, where you have not a spherical wave, but the wave with a ‘mach stem’ it is called… near the ground.”

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[url]https://southfront.org/massive-explosion-in-beirut-lebanon-leaves-at-least-100-dead-trump-says-it-was-an-attack/[/url] ;

CNN cited experts who claimed that the official cause of the explosion – ammonium nitrate was inconsistent with how the material burned or exploded.

“I’ve done a lot of accident investigations with the government, both national and international, and it is clear to me that this was a large amount of explosives or energetic material stored in a building that caught fire and that fire propagated to the explosives, causing the accident,” said Tony May, a former explosives investigator for the US Department of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

Robert Baer, a former CIA operative with extensive experience in the Middle East said videos of Tuesday’s blast showed that while ammonium nitrate may have been present in the warehouse, he does not believe it was responsible for the massive explosion that ensued.

“It was clearly a military explosive,” he said. “It was not fertilizer like ammonium nitrate. I’m quite sure of that.”

“You look at that orange ball (of fire), and it’s clearly, like I said, a military explosive.”

“It almost looks like an accident,” he said. “It was incompetence, and maybe it was corruption, but the question is whether it was military explosives, who was it going to or why was it stored there?”

-Climate change [url]http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2020/08/north-hole-2020.html[/url] by august 9 the northpole (as a spot-not all of the Arctic) may be without ice. 

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/beirut-blast-wrap-up.html[/url]

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Obviously that CNN expert fails to remember that the OK City bombing and the first WTC bombing in NYC were both fertilizer bombs. 

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WAR-[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/radiation-levels-spike-10x-in-mediterranean-after-massive-beirut-blast[/url] goes on on why he thinks the Beirut attack was a failed nuclear explosion.

There are some claims the US had four spy-planes in the area [url]https://en.mehrnews.com/news/161888/Possibility-of-US-sabotage-in-Beirut-explosion[/url] around the moment of the attack(s). With also a first picture on what looks like a missile [url]https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10158531287606678&set=a.10150294029661678[/url]

DJ-Could it be a first strike started the fireworks explosions-for to be able to claim fireworks started the second-major-explosion ? 

If this is what the Lebanese government is willing to believe-with [url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/aerial-footage-shows-devastating-aftermath-of-beirut-port-explosion/[/url] very massive effects on Beirut/Lebanon and Iran, Syria, Russia already sending in aid-there will be a reaction. 

DJ-Circumstances in Lebanon and Syria may hint at Israel putting pressure. Netanyahu may like to start a war with Iran with Trump-as president in the US. Hoping the US will do most of the fighting (and Netanyahu himself not going to prison for a further while). 

Assad wants all of Syria onder Damascus control-including the Golan heights. (Of course photo's can be photo-shopped, "proof" can be organized-it is up to the Lebanese government to decide what they will see as proof. The explosion may have been-first of fireworks-later on of ammonium nitrate-the point is what caused the explosions ? That ammonium nitrate was stored at that location was not the best kept secret and may have been used for agression.)

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/beirut-blast-wrap-up.html[/url] and [url]https://www.sott.net/article/439234-Lebanon-Braced-For-High-Number-of-Casualties-as-Absolutely-Gargantuan-Explosion-Obliterates-Port-Area-of-Beirut[/url]

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