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DJ-Storms & Earthquakes

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19dpj_mCuoI[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19dpj_mCuoI BP Earthwatch believes space weather is earthweather-and maybe he has a point...The stormsystem south of Jamaica developed faster and became "Nana"-followed by another storm-like event. This is expected to move into central America-Belize, Guatamala-south tip of Mexico. May become a typhone again in the Pacific. 

The other stormsystem on the Atlantic developed later-so it got the "O" name-"Omar"-most likely stay on water-could do damage in the Arctic. A third system-now still above Africa may become "Paulette" [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Storm_names[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Storm_names

BP Earthwatch also mentioned strong solar wind and relates that to stronger earthquakes-there was one for the central Chili coast. This is one of the area's that did see quakes above M9. There seems to be an increase in quakes..

-US election chaos [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/09/election-2020-the-color-revolutions-are-coming-home.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/09/election-2020-the-color-revolutions-are-coming-home.html

-[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/what-uae-israel-deal-really-means-middle-east[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/what-uae-israel-deal-really-means-middle-east DJ-According to this article Israel, the US, UAE would be investing in Iran to decrease the influence of the Iran Revolutionary Guard Corps. Also Russia and China would get access to Iran for defensive build up. DJ-China and Russia are investing in Iran-on a much larger scale than via the UAE seems likely. I doubt the validity of this article...if it is correct it only shows a strategic blunder. (By the UAE etc.)

-Peak Prosperity [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFNdsRHKUM4[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFNdsRHKUM4 

PCR-testing may often go into "to much cycles" [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymerase_chain_reaction[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymerase_chain_reaction DJ-"zoom in" that much you may detect virus parts that have some resemblance with the virus DNA/RNA you are looking for-and get a "positive outcome". 

Recent findings indicate up to 90% of positive PCR-Covid19 tests find so minimum virus RNA people will not get sick or spread the disease. (DJ-We need better testing ? In NL you can not get a test-in general-if you do not have symptoms. That means a/pre-symptomatic spread-could be more than 50% of spread-will not get detected. When 90% of positive PCR tests is also "not a risk" how much control do we have on virus spread ? )

-Does rising the CT-Cycling Treshold "zooming in" above 35 times explain "the second wave" we see in lots of places ? [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Of the almost 26 million positive tested cases-only 10% of them spread the virus (at a certain time) ? DJ-Another question is how many "spreaders" de we miss by only testing the symptomatic cases ? (Because people do get ill and die-including healthy younger people. On this forum also an item on "co-morbidities" "only old and sick people get Covid19"-hayfever can be seen as COPD, [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity a BMI of 30+ = seen as obesity-if uncorrect used-people with a lot of (heavier) muscle end up with people with a lot of fat. )

-Since male testes have a lot of ACE-2 receptors Covid19 can do a lot of damage there. It may explain why males get more Covid19 (they have more receptors-among many other factors). Covid19 can influence fertility-but also the production of testosterone. (DJ-My translation of the PP/CM story. It can cause psychological effects-testosterone influences behaviour. One can imagine growing a beard/mustache may be a problem-to give just one example. If the damage on the testes is lasting-in young males-there may be a need for testosterone medication ?)

-DJ-We are now in september. Covid19 has been around the globe for almost 8 months. And it looks like we still do not know how to test for it in an effective way. There seems to be effective treatments (HCQ (with zinc ?) in early stages and prednisone-like later on, but early detection and treatment should avoid more severe cases) we are often NOT using. 

"It does not have to be this way"-makes me ask what should not have to be this way ? I (DJ) would imagine a serious pandemic would be top-priority for governments/politics. But it does not look that way. Testing may give a high percentage of false positives-the results also come in late. (If 90% of the positive PCR tests are false positives-and we go contact tracing on them-we waste a lot of capacity that is needed elsewere.) A lot of virus-spread still may go undetected (via children, pets-that do not get tested-since they do not spread the virus is the belief). 

In many European countries cases are on the increase-not only testing positive but people do get ill. Here in the NL we get "re-balanced" we did see a lot of cases only in the western-"Holland" part of NL (with Amsterdam, Rotterdam having a lot of cases) there cases are decreasing-other parts of the country do show an increase. With holiday season over-schools, offices etc. reopening we soon will find out how Covid19 will develop. So far cases in NL show stability-on a national level. The R0 has dropped below 1 (0.99). I can imagine people at risk take extra care. For now it is the younger age group that test positive-but if they spread the virus it will reach other age groups as well. If they get ill it may take some extra time...

International the Covid-chaos-pandemic seems far from over. It would be nice to hope we did see the worse part-

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QWZyaH9Txw[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QWZyaH9Txw I dont believe in miracles-America 

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In the US Nancy Pelosi did think Covid19-rules are for all-except her-with her hair-job. In the NL we have a minister of "justice" who believes he is outside the law. [url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/09/best-day-of-his-life-more-wedding-photos-show-minister-breaking-covid-rules/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/09/best-day-of-his-life-more-wedding-photos-show-minister-breaking-covid-rules/

Law enforcement notice it is impossible to do their job with such a "boss". The government parties tonight decided he can stay in power...DJ-Maybe this story has to distract from "our King" standing shoulder-to-shoulder with a Greek restaurant owner on a holiday picture. 

It fits the pattern of this pandemic being man-made due to bad healthcare, bad management etc. 

-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Did NL had over 700 new cases yesterday ? No-due to malfunction older numbers got included in yesterdays numbers....making it impossible to see if cases do increase or decrease. Also the death-statistics may be "old numbers". Somehow the point of getting data is missed by the ones gathering that info.

-[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/venezuelan-president-says-trump-ordered-his-assassination/[/url] or https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/venezuelan-president-says-trump-ordered-his-assassination/ It is good to know "tax money is well spent" -political insanity is a global problem...

Crazy on you-Heart [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZjEC4WhCvg[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZjEC4WhCvg

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Nancy Pelosi got her hair done in a salon, not by the owner, but by an independent contractor who sometimes rents chairs in the salon to do business.  My question is, did this contractor have a key to open the otherwise closed business?  And if so, why?  Seems like even if the owner of the business allowed the contractor to have a key (sorry, dumb), she should have gotten the key back so this kind of thing wouldn't happen.  And bad judgement on Nancy's part.  Could Madam Speaker possibly have persuaded the independent contractor to visit her privately?  I think it would have been a better plan.

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I can only speak for a hairdresser friend of mine.  Very few hairdressers work for the salon.  Most of them are independent contractors who rent chairs from the owner.  If there's trust, then there's no reason for the contractor not to have a key.  

As far as the hypocrisy goes.. well there is that.  But to cherry pick like this and promote outrage is taking focus off the larger issues of this pandemic.  It really is tit for tat which is childish.  But then, I would expect that from ... well... you know...  Let's just say small, closed minded people.

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Nancy Pelosi, our minister of justice and our King and Queen are just few on a long list of people telling other people how to behave while acting themselves otherwise. "Lead by example" not by (empty) words-should be the issue here. 

How can you get people to accept Non Pharma rules if the one supposed to set the example break the rules themselves ? 

With no working vaccine NPI may "the best we have" to slow down the virus. Russia may start an early larger test of Sputnik-V mid september-in 800 volunteers-to go for larger scale vaccination (in the about 38% of the population willing to go for it) by the end of the year. 

China also may take months for larger scale vaccinations-that may not work. 

Avoiding virus spread should be priority #1-the best we can....

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Hmmm, interesting, I was under the impression that most salons were like the ones I went to where the owner had emp!oyees, not independent contractors.  Wonder if the independent contractor model is more common now?  Maybe Da Burgh is behind the times, wouldn't surprise me, lol.  Hopefully the salon owner will vent her spleen toward the independent contractor, who in my opinion betrayed her trust.

Yes, Nancy should've known better, for sure, especially being the one telling everyone else to wear a mask.  And you're right, when some folks are supporting those on the other side of the aisle who are holding campaign rallies with few masks and little social distancing...And I did not see one word of criticism on this site for the Sturgis Rally...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/09/02/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-first-covid-19-death-reported/5696286002/?ocid=uxbndlbing

...well, seems to me there's a whole lotta hypocrisy going round.

A little more nuance to the Nancy story,?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/03/what-make-nancy-pelosis-setup-defense-going-an-indoor-salon/

What to make of Nancy Pelosi’s ‘setup’ defense for going to an indoor salon

Was it just a salon visit for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi? Or a political setup? (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)

Was it just a salon visit for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi? Or a political setup? (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)

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By Amber Phillips

September 3, 2020 at 1:28 PM EDT

So, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) violated a San Francisco city ordinance when she went inside for a hair styling Monday. She was the only client in the salon, and she said Wednesday that she relied on the salon to tell her what was right.


Whether Pelosi should have looked up the restrictions more closely before going into the salon is an open question.


Regulations in that area are constantly changing, and the state of California’s restriction website, confusingly, said earlier this week that people can visit salons in San Francisco “indoors with condition.” (The city allowed outdoor services a day after Pelosi’s visit.) Then on Wednesday night, the stylist who did Pelosi’s hair issued a statement alleging that the salon owner approved Pelosi’s in-person visit and had been secretly operating the salon in violation of ordinances since April. (Pelosi’s regular at-home stylist wasn’t available, so going to this salon during the pandemic was a new thing for her.)



Another open question: Pelosi took off her mask — she often wears one that wraps around the back of her neck — to get her hair washed and is seen in security footage obtained by Fox News walking to another room maskless. Her office says that’s the only time in the visit she was maskless.


Those two actions would seem to fall into the questionable-decision category. Could she have done better in private, when she thought no one was watching? Probably. But they don’t seem nearly as risky as what President Trump did just last week for his nominating speech at the Republican National Convention: host 1,500 largely untested, maskless guests on the White House South Lawn in chairs close together.


President Trump speaks at the Republican National Convention to in-person guests at the White House.

President Trump speaks at the Republican National Convention to in-person guests at the White House. (Alex Brandon/AP)

Pelosi seemed to breathe more life into the uproar on the right when she called the whole thing a “setup” on Wednesday afternoon, injecting more mystery and drama into the story.



She told reporters in San Francisco: “I take responsibility for trusting the word of a neighborhood salon that I’ve been to over the years many times, and when they said we are able to accommodate people one person at a time, and that we can set up that time. I trusted that. As it turns out, it was a setup. So I take responsibility for falling for a setup, and that’s all I’m going to say on that.”


Pelosi’s office says she took responsibility for her actions with that statement, but it sounds more as if she’s casting blame, dangling the notion that someone reeled her into this salon to capture her there and broadcast it to the world. And falling for that is what she said she takes responsibility for. “I think that the salon owes me an apology, for setting me up,” she said.


Pelosi didn’t elaborate on what she meant by a setup. But the stylist who did her hair issued a statement hours late accusing the salon owner, Erica Kious, of misleadingly framing Pelosi as the only client to have visited the salon in person in months. “The fact that Ms. Kious is now objecting to Speaker Pelosi’s presence at eSalon, and from a simple surface-level review of Ms. Kious’ political leanings, it appears Ms. Kious is furthering a set-up of Speaker Pelosi for her own vain aspirations,” the statement from stylist Jonathan DeNardo says.



“We’re supposed to look up to this woman, right?” Kious told Fox News. “It is just disturbing.” Kious denied Pelosi’s setup comment. So now we have a situation where each side is probably going to see what they want to see.


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Pelosi appears to view this whole salon thing as a political distraction from Republicans’ documented failings in handling the coronavirus in the Trump administration and in some governor’s offices and — she would argue — in Congress.


And when you look at this in comparison to how the Trump administration botched early testing and the president himself failed to take coronavirus seriously until it was too late, this is just a salon visit. And Pelosi has an explanation for each perceived slip-up in following local regulations.



Even if all this criticism is unwarranted, the fact is the salon visit and Pelosi’s response do not help Democrats argue that they are the ones taking covid-19 seriously.


Trump has tweeted at least twice about this, and White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany led the Thursday briefing with it.



Republicans also sent out an email to reporters Wednesday trying to cast Pelosi as part of a long line of Democratic politicians flouting rules that they themselves established. (The other high-profile accusation is that Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney (D) ate at a restaurant indoors in Maryland even as he has banned such practices back home.)



Democratic politicians are at a disadvantage in this debate, because they are the ones doing more than Republicans to limit people’s activities. And polls show that at least for governors, residents are rewarding Democrats for doing it.



Republicans have, on the whole, taken coronavirus restrictions less seriously. They have been heavily criticized in the media for not wearing masks against their own health experts’ advice, or fist-bumping with maskless guests at Vice President Pence’s Republican National Convention speech, or holding indoor political rallies, or packing the White House South Lawn with 1,500 not-socially-distanced people. But they can’t be called hypocritical for doing it.


Republicans’ ire over Pelosi’s salon visit, as laid out by the president’s tweet on it, is that Democrats are making one set of rules for themselves and one set for everyone else — not that Pelosi’s actions risked making her and the salon less safe.



That’s arguably not fair, but that’s the state of play in America right now.


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ViQueen24-Maybe Nancy Pelosi story is a "Fox-news" set up-can be. "Media" reporting "fake news" from all sides...I can find a lot of relevant Covid-news on this forum-and the "no-news-news" in the media is overwhelming. 

-[url]https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-08-18/China-takes-action-to-cut-down-on-food-waste-T3xfjtBX6o/index.html[/url] or https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-08-18/China-takes-action-to-cut-down-on-food-waste-T3xfjtBX6o/index.html DJ-Some link this news with foodshortages/problems in China. 

-[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/israeli-jets-bomb-syrian-military-base-while-iranian-officials-visiting[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/israeli-jets-bomb-syrian-military-base-while-iranian-officials-visiting DJ-Netanyahu facing corruption charges, a poltical crisis and growing protests against the out-of-control corona-crisis. He may be trying to push for a major US/Gulf States/Israel war with Iran. With Russia and China dealing with Iran as an essential link in their plans Netanyahu can forget such a war. (Also Israel attacking Hezbollah in Lebanon seems to be meant to trigger a conflict). [url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iran-intends-to-send-its-astronauts-to-space-for-the-first-time/[/url] or https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iran-intends-to-send-its-astronauts-to-space-for-the-first-time/ (DJ-I did not see earlier reports on this). 

-Here in NL [url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/09/03/coronavirus-infections-rising-first-time-3-weeks[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/09/03/coronavirus-infections-rising-first-time-3-weeks Also the food safety organization is looking at how it is possible by now 47 mink farms-out of the 128-did see Covid19-infections. Could it be farmers believe government compensation after culling infected minks is "a better deal"-with very limited demand ?

Peak Prosperity

DJ-Also discussed in the latest news section of this forum. The "supercomputer breaktrough". [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOxRfNCTV6U[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOxRfNCTV6U 

(DJ-My ambition was to translate complex info into a shorter less complex version for all to understand-but this is a challange !)

PP starts with you need a lot of data for a "super computer" to get usefull results. A story on bloodpressure-factors that influence that pressure. 

Covid19 brings a reduction of ACE-causing an increase of ACE-2-giving leakage in bloodvessels, organs-thus lower bloodpressure. 

It then also causes-via bradykinin- an increase of "a reparation gel" (to stop the leakage) but that "reparation gel" can take a 1000 times its own volume in water to stop the leakage. That "reparation gel " (Hyaluronic acid) can get in the lungs-stopping the oxygen getting into the blood. (DJ- I can imagine if that gel gets into your heart your heart is trying to pump a sort of sticky gel instead of blood).

Enough vitamin D could prevent such a proces (of ACE-down/ACE2-up) so avoid an infection becoming a severe illness/death. 

Ivermectin can prevent the corona-RNA getting into the cell (and with that some of that RNA getting into the cel necleus-were it can "hijack"the cell production).

Zinc can inactivate transfer process, formation of enzymes etc that can become damaging (if overproduced). 

The Bradykinin hypothesis may not explain all of the SARS-2 problems but it may help finding cures and explains why Vitamin D, zinc, Ivermectin work (DJ-and HCQ ???)

DJ-I believe more studies like this can help getting answers on risks of reinfections, getting a vaccine, is herd/group immunity a realistic scenario. PP ends with the economy being hit hard- a (DJ-sharp) recession is on its way. 

DJ-My own opinion the coming "crisis" may offer us the oppertunity to rethink the way we live. There is so much both room and need for better changes, improvements. 

We move into the last 120 days of 2020-with the US elections most likely on top of the agenda. Important issues should be how to get an inclusive society. How to avoid climate disaster, pandemics, but also millions of people without a house in the richest countries of this globe...we have to do better ! 

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Originally posted by ViQueen24 ViQueen24 wrote:

Hmmm, interesting, I was under the impression that most salons were like the ones I went to where the owner had emp!oyees, not independent contractors.  Wonder if the independent contractor model is more common now?  Maybe Da Burgh is behind the times, wouldn't surprise me, lol.  Hopefully the salon owner will vent her spleen toward the independent contractor, who in my opinion betrayed her trust.

Yes, Nancy should've known better, for sure, especially being the one telling everyone else to wear a mask.  And you're right, when some folks are supporting those on the other side of the aisle who are holding campaign rallies with few masks and little social distancing...And I did not see one word of criticism on this site for the Sturgis Rally...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/09/02/sturgis-motorcycle-rally-first-covid-19-death-reported/5696286002/?ocid=uxbndlbing

...well, seems to me there's a whole lotta hypocrisy going round.

A little more nuance to the Nancy story,?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/03/what-make-nancy-pelosis-setup-defense-going-an-indoor-salon/

What to make of Nancy Pelosi’s ‘setup’ defense for going to an indoor salon

Was it just a salon visit for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi? Or a political setup? (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)

Was it just a salon visit for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi? Or a political setup? (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)

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By Amber Phillips

September 3, 2020 at 1:28 PM EDT

So, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) violated a San Francisco city ordinance when she went inside for a hair styling Monday. She was the only client in the salon, and she said Wednesday that she relied on the salon to tell her what was right.


Whether Pelosi should have looked up the restrictions more closely before going into the salon is an open question.


Regulations in that area are constantly changing, and the state of California’s restriction website, confusingly, said earlier this week that people can visit salons in San Francisco “indoors with condition.” (The city allowed outdoor services a day after Pelosi’s visit.) Then on Wednesday night, the stylist who did Pelosi’s hair issued a statement alleging that the salon owner approved Pelosi’s in-person visit and had been secretly operating the salon in violation of ordinances since April. (Pelosi’s regular at-home stylist wasn’t available, so going to this salon during the pandemic was a new thing for her.)



Another open question: Pelosi took off her mask — she often wears one that wraps around the back of her neck — to get her hair washed and is seen in security footage obtained by Fox News walking to another room maskless. Her office says that’s the only time in the visit she was maskless.


Those two actions would seem to fall into the questionable-decision category. Could she have done better in private, when she thought no one was watching? Probably. But they don’t seem nearly as risky as what President Trump did just last week for his nominating speech at the Republican National Convention: host 1,500 largely untested, maskless guests on the White House South Lawn in chairs close together.


President Trump speaks at the Republican National Convention to in-person guests at the White House.

President Trump speaks at the Republican National Convention to in-person guests at the White House. (Alex Brandon/AP)

Pelosi seemed to breathe more life into the uproar on the right when she called the whole thing a “setup” on Wednesday afternoon, injecting more mystery and drama into the story.



She told reporters in San Francisco: “I take responsibility for trusting the word of a neighborhood salon that I’ve been to over the years many times, and when they said we are able to accommodate people one person at a time, and that we can set up that time. I trusted that. As it turns out, it was a setup. So I take responsibility for falling for a setup, and that’s all I’m going to say on that.”


Pelosi’s office says she took responsibility for her actions with that statement, but it sounds more as if she’s casting blame, dangling the notion that someone reeled her into this salon to capture her there and broadcast it to the world. And falling for that is what she said she takes responsibility for. “I think that the salon owes me an apology, for setting me up,” she said.


Pelosi didn’t elaborate on what she meant by a setup. But the stylist who did her hair issued a statement hours late accusing the salon owner, Erica Kious, of misleadingly framing Pelosi as the only client to have visited the salon in person in months. “The fact that Ms. Kious is now objecting to Speaker Pelosi’s presence at eSalon, and from a simple surface-level review of Ms. Kious’ political leanings, it appears Ms. Kious is furthering a set-up of Speaker Pelosi for her own vain aspirations,” the statement from stylist Jonathan DeNardo says.



“We’re supposed to look up to this woman, right?” Kious told Fox News. “It is just disturbing.” Kious denied Pelosi’s setup comment. So now we have a situation where each side is probably going to see what they want to see.


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Pelosi appears to view this whole salon thing as a political distraction from Republicans’ documented failings in handling the coronavirus in the Trump administration and in some governor’s offices and — she would argue — in Congress.


And when you look at this in comparison to how the Trump administration botched early testing and the president himself failed to take coronavirus seriously until it was too late, this is just a salon visit. And Pelosi has an explanation for each perceived slip-up in following local regulations.



Even if all this criticism is unwarranted, the fact is the salon visit and Pelosi’s response do not help Democrats argue that they are the ones taking covid-19 seriously.


Trump has tweeted at least twice about this, and White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany led the Thursday briefing with it.



Republicans also sent out an email to reporters Wednesday trying to cast Pelosi as part of a long line of Democratic politicians flouting rules that they themselves established. (The other high-profile accusation is that Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney (D) ate at a restaurant indoors in Maryland even as he has banned such practices back home.)



Democratic politicians are at a disadvantage in this debate, because they are the ones doing more than Republicans to limit people’s activities. And polls show that at least for governors, residents are rewarding Democrats for doing it.



Republicans have, on the whole, taken coronavirus restrictions less seriously. They have been heavily criticized in the media for not wearing masks against their own health experts’ advice, or fist-bumping with maskless guests at Vice President Pence’s Republican National Convention speech, or holding indoor political rallies, or packing the White House South Lawn with 1,500 not-socially-distanced people. But they can’t be called hypocritical for doing it.


Republicans’ ire over Pelosi’s salon visit, as laid out by the president’s tweet on it, is that Democrats are making one set of rules for themselves and one set for everyone else — not that Pelosi’s actions risked making her and the salon less safe.



That’s arguably not fair, but that’s the state of play in America right now.


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From my area in NL (Wageningen and Nijmegen University in a 10 mile radius); [url]https://www.radboudumc.nl/en/news/2020/does-the-covid19-cytokine-storm-exist[/url] ? or https://www.radboudumc.nl/en/news/2020/does-the-covid19-cytokine-storm-exist ?

Following the measurement of several important cytokines in patients with COVID-19 and various other severe diseases, researchers at Radboud university medical center now show that COVID-19 is not characterized by a cytokine storm. This may have consequences for the treatment of these patients, the researchers write in JAMA.

DJ; they compared intensiv care patients and did not see Covid19patients-in general-showing cytokines overreaction. 

-[url]https://www.rt.com/op-ed/499816-positive-covid-virus-contagious/[/url] or https://www.rt.com/op-ed/499816-positive-covid-virus-contagious/  ;

Data from three US states – New York, Nevada and Massachusetts – shows that when the amount of the virus found in a person is taken into account, up to 90 percent of people who have tested positive should actually have been negative, as they are carrying only tiny amounts of the virus, are not contagious, pose no risk to others, and have no need to isolate.

DJ-PP/CM also mentioned this a few days ago. The statistics we use-at best-give a glimpse of reality. The number of Covid19 infections in many places may involve 5-10% of the population-in some urban area's it may be much higher. Is this "good news"?

DJ-I do not think so. [url]https://www.rt.com/russia/499780-covid19-twice-medical-condition/[/url] or https://www.rt.com/russia/499780-covid19-twice-medical-condition/ -DJ-It is not clear yet how often reinfections can happen. Could it become a coinfection with the flu ? Will Covid19 develop towards "a "common" cold virus" and if so-how fast ? 

The idea of herd immunity-offering protection for a long time (and more based on T-cell immune response-B-cell anti body protection may at best offer a few months of protection). 

When I look at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ the 7-day-average of Covid-deaths per day has been 5000 plus-worldwide-since half of july. Hospital cases are also going up in most of Europe.

(And [url]https://www.prnewswire.com/il/news-releases/first-covid-19-global-forecast-ihme-projects-three-quarters-of-a-million-lives-could-be-saved-by-january-1-807013447.html[/url] or https://www.prnewswire.com/il/news-releases/first-covid-19-global-forecast-ihme-projects-three-quarters-of-a-million-lives-could-be-saved-by-january-1-807013447.html winter could see 30.000 days per day).

-The economic consequences of (over ?)reaction in society [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/its-being-projected-over-50-million-americans-will-be-fighting-hunger-year-end[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/its-being-projected-over-50-million-americans-will-be-fighting-hunger-year-end 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/50-us-fear-bankruptcy-due-major-health-event[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/50-us-fear-bankruptcy-due-major-health-event (50% of US citizens a hospital visit away from bankruptcy ?)

Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82OV9YA-u_M[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82OV9YA-u_M 

-Increasing cases in "children" in the US (not all states have number of age, "children" sometimes can go to 25 y/o). In Madrdid-Spain-all schoolchildren are expected to get (a mild ?) Covid-infection (DJ-goal still herd immunity ?)

-Mexico will have volunteers testing the Russian Sputnik V vaccine in october-does the US like that ?

-Lower number of deaths-in spring most of testing in hospitalized cases-those were older and more severe. Now much more testing, so much more milder, younger people test positive. 

Other news; [url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 "Paulette" is torming in the Atlantic

[url]http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2020/09/the-unthinkable-consequences-of-global-warming.html[/url] or http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2020/09/the-unthinkable-consequences-of-global-warming.html 

DJ- [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxA26VrnGMs[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxA26VrnGMs "Rivers in the sky drowning California"

WAR

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-u-s-sends-three-nuclear-capable-b-52-s-toward-crimes-russia-launches-strategic-bombers[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-u-s-sends-three-nuclear-capable-b-52-s-toward-crimes-russia-launches-strategic-bombers DJ-With more and more "incidents" with US military in Syria and Iraq (see also [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/iranian-resistance-axis-strikes-back-convoys-us-equipment-blowing-iraq[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/iranian-resistance-axis-strikes-back-convoys-us-equipment-blowing-iraq ) and Netanyahu pushing for war a further escalation is close. 

(DJ-If you would have asked me in 1970 if the US would win the Viet Nam war I would have answered "yes"-history is not logical. I did not expect such an end to the Soviet Union. )

Enough of "bad news" [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzehb_yeZtU[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzehb_yeZtU Here is the News-ELO

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^Thank you for the ELO clip, DJ!  Nice! 

In return, let me offer you this very nice song by Dutch guitars Jan Akkerman, one of my favorites!

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CRS, DrPH-Thank you for the music-would do nice on a hot summer evening with pina-colada.

DJ-[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/study-finds-most-common-covid-19-tests-frequently-triggered-dead-virus-calls-causing[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/study-finds-most-common-covid-19-tests-frequently-triggered-dead-virus-calls-causing How reliable is the testing for Covid 19 ? Here in NL only people with symptoms can get tested-for now-due to capacityproblems. The PR-story is "no use of testing if no symptoms"-with likely 40% a/pre-symptomatic spread that PR-story is garbage...

This company is supposed to get NL "at capacity" for autumn-testing [url]https://www.eurofins.com/covid-19-response/latest-news/[/url] or https://www.eurofins.com/covid-19-response/latest-news/ 

In all kind of "models" autumn would see a sharp increase of Covid19-in the northern hemisphere. So far humidity has proven to be a factor-dry air means virus-aerosols can get much further. Season was NOT a factor. 

When you look at Spanish Flu Statistics-there is uncertainty if first cases did show up already in 1916-do you end that pandemic with outbreaks in colonies in 1923 ? (Or go for the claim H1N1 never disappeared-only became a more mild sort of flu ?) Also the minimum number of deaths for this flu pandemic is 20 million-maximum ranges between 50 to 100 million (something like 2 to 5% of the global population of that time). 

There were foodshortages-a lack of testing capacity-so one could argue that excess deaths in that (war)time would give some answers....

If you translate it to the present pandemic-we may not even be able to do proper testing..."models" of coming developments may not be such a great help. One could argue those "models" are not in the interest of public health-but may be in pharma companies interests...

-[url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/09/cornavirus-found-on-more-mink-farms-inspectors-to-investigate-infection-spread/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/09/cornavirus-found-on-more-mink-farms-inspectors-to-investigate-infection-spread/ In NL mink-farmers can get more in compensations if their farm get infected than when they have to sell furs on the market...Could explain-in part-[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/09/05/sudden-rise-dutch-coronavirus-infections-continues[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/09/05/sudden-rise-dutch-coronavirus-infections-continues DJ-Most likely schools reopening and people back from holiday as two main reasons. 

-The EU did buy 1500 million vaccines from 6 companies-maybe the first of them could be available at the end of this year. (DJ-The admit that is optimistic. How much difference vaccines can make, how often you may need a vaccine is still open. The idea is that 60% vaccination can stop the pandemic. The WHO thinks worldwide a vaccine may be available mid-2021. )

[url]https://www.rt.com/russia/499876-the-lancet-russian-sputnik-vaccine-effectiveness/[/url] or https://www.rt.com/russia/499876-the-lancet-russian-sputnik-vaccine-effectiveness/ ???? DJ Would be nice-healthcare should not be a cold war issue !!!

Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5fKWr_Dx1A[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5fKWr_Dx1A 

a.o. on the Sputnik-V Lancet study, Children will spread the virus, viral load and mortality (higher load=more severe ill), steroid-drugs may save lives

-WAR 

[url]https://southfront.org/u-s-carries-out-historical-b-25h-bomber-flight-in-ukrainian-airspace-along-crimea-and-eastern-ukraine/[/url] or https://southfront.org/u-s-carries-out-historical-b-25h-bomber-flight-in-ukrainian-airspace-along-crimea-and-eastern-ukraine/ and 

[url]https://www.rt.com/russia/499908-b52-bombers-intercepted-crimea/[/url] or https://www.rt.com/russia/499908-b52-bombers-intercepted-crimea/ The B52's were on tour in Europe...apparently Ukraine is also NATO-territory...We are in the middle of the worst healthcrisis...timing is an issue !

Music-The B52's Your own private Idaho [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXmnmvDl-ao[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXmnmvDl-ao

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DJ

We did see another 925 new tested cases in NL yesterday. [url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/09/06/900-new-coronavirus-infections-since-april-19[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/09/06/900-new-coronavirus-infections-since-april-19 The highest number since april 19. 

In NL there are problems with testingcapacity-it may take some days before you can get a test, then a few more to get results....schools, healthcare are already close to collapse-flu season still has to start. Also contact-tracing is a problem-with some healthregions having difficulties in finding staff with university medical degree, willing to work 24/7 for less than 10€ per hour...

Facemasks are even often not used in public transport-were it is supposed to be mandatory..all ingredients for more cases are there...and healthcare/hospitals are still recovering from the first wave-totally not ready for a second one. Shortages also in PPE-government dumping responsabilities to "safety regions" and citizens while not stopping international travel.

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/sick-students-flee-college-campuses-covid-outbreaks-rage[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/sick-students-flee-college-campuses-covid-outbreaks-rage numbers may increase worldwide...

“Shaming young people for risky behavior at a time when we know they are in young adulthood, when risk taking is at its peak, is an ineffective public health strategy,” said Yamey, who directs Duke’s Center for Policy Impact in Global Health.

[url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/evacuations-in-effect-as-powerful-typhoon-haishen-targets-japan-south-korea/808214[/url] or https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/evacuations-in-effect-as-powerful-typhoon-haishen-targets-japan-south-korea/808214 mass evacuations both in Japan and Korea mean more virus spread-even if evacuation centers only take 50% of capacity. 

[url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/drastic-denver-temperature-plunge-yet-to-come-could-set-historic-record/808470[/url] or https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/drastic-denver-temperature-plunge-yet-to-come-could-set-historic-record/808470 From tropics to polar weather in 24 hrs is "no good news"-for much of the US. (With Tropical Depression 17 in the Atlantic...[url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/new-tropical-depression-only-the-start-of-active-week-in-atlantic-basin/808335[/url] or https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/new-tropical-depression-only-the-start-of-active-week-in-atlantic-basin/808335 the peak of hurricanes has yet to come...we can get some of it here in western Europe as well. )

A global food crisis is following this corona-crisis. International cooperation is needed to deal with many crises...[url]https://southfront.org/us-plan-to-establish-asia-pacific-nato-type-formal-alliance-against-china/[/url] or https://southfront.org/us-plan-to-establish-asia-pacific-nato-type-formal-alliance-against-china/ but not this kind of (US-India-Japan-Australia) madness. 

(China is more and more investing in Eur-Asia land routes-with Russia, Iran, Pakistan as main partners and the EU looking for the Asian market.)

Will the mix of climate crisis, health crisis, economic crisis, food crisis, political crisis (I did not even start on Brexit !) bring "any good " ?

Music [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAGZM6wmNSs[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAGZM6wmNSs "Make a new plan, Stan"- 50 ways to leave your lover Paul Simon 

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DJ-A look at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ ;

-In cases US #1, India #2 moving in, Brazil now #3-Russia #4 with also over 1 million cases (and daily growth always just around 5000 ?) Iran out of the top 10. The America's go for 14,4 of the 27,4 million cases. In Europe Spain and France see sharp increases-most of the rest of Europe following. Finland, Baltics doing good. 

DJ-There is still a lack of international cooperation in dealing with this pandemic. Governments seem to be waiting for a miracle-vaccine to do the trick. The first strategy-herd immunity-did not work out. At best vaccines may show some global impact in 8 months ? Spring, early summer 2021 ? 

With corona-fatigue it may be hard to limit infections. Trust in cures should be limited-since hospitals may reach their limits in a worser case scenario very soon. But both the will and capacity (income wise) to go for NPI is "limited". 

-Russia starts promoting Sputnik-V [url]https://www.rt.com/russia/500113-sputnik-vaccine-public-launch/[/url] or https://www.rt.com/russia/500113-sputnik-vaccine-public-launch/ and [url]https://www.rt.com/russia/500087-worlds-first-covid-19-vaccine-questions/[/url] or https://www.rt.com/russia/500087-worlds-first-covid-19-vaccine-questions/ One can only hope new vaccines "can do miracles" to get us out of the corona-crisis. 

-[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ_2lX9RMZQ[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ_2lX9RMZQ BP Earthwatch-storms now developing in the Atlantic are not yet a risk for both the US or Europe. Extreme heat/drought-wildfires in parts of the western US and winter moving in from the north push up foodprices. BP also starts on the US elections-whoever "wins" the atmosphere in the US is that poisoned major social unrest will develop after the election-outcome. (DJ-Both political parties fail to "serve the people" in the US. It is not only a US problem-in lots of countries political parties are half-cults not interested in reality. The "world is a model" thinking-no reality checks-is a major problem around the globe.) 

-Fitting in that pattern is [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/turkish-presidential-advisor-says-turkey-will-attack-french-aircraft-carrier-wage-war-on-greece[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/turkish-presidential-advisor-says-turkey-will-attack-french-aircraft-carrier-wage-war-on-greece . In NATO the US army is #1 in seize, Turkey has #2, France #3. All these armies are already involved in the Middle East/North Africa (MENA) wars-and on different sides. 

-Technology [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futuristic-flying-v-plane-makes-successful-maiden-flight[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futuristic-flying-v-plane-makes-successful-maiden-flight DJ In the past you did have the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_wing[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_wing so the V-shape is not new. But using it for passengerplanes may be "new". 

Airtransport-the old way-did cost a lot of fossil fuel. Electric planes are in development and may have a future. SF-ideas of "flying cars" in a certain way (lifting body-the shape in itself act as a wing) may also see "some progress". Still cheap airtravel is also a virus-spreader causing pandemics. Virtual reality may take away a need to travel. If you can have a room able to turn from "Greenland ice sheet to Hawaii" why go all the way of "going for the real thing" with a growing chance of calamities ? 

[url]https://innovationorigins.com/delft-university-of-technology-develops-battery-free-game-computer/[/url] or https://innovationorigins.com/delft-university-of-technology-develops-battery-free-game-computer/ 

Researchers have developed a game computer that draws its energy from the movements of the user and solar cells.

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Music-Still crazy after all these years-Paul Simon [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo1naJEacE8[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo1naJEacE8 

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Yesterday, hidden in the Worldometer data there were huge back-dated rises in deaths for both Bolivia and Ecuador.

I think that the reason they are "hidden" is that they will go back to change the data base for the dates that the deaths occurred, not when the data was released.   It seems that there is a daily updating of the old data,  usually by small amounts.   For 7th August  (which is when the big revisions were entered) the reported daily increase was 3,846 (a low amount) but the actual totals increased by 9,254, so over 5,400 extra deaths were 'added into the database' for earlier days.  At times, like when the UK revised how it reported deaths in England (applying  28 day cut-off limit), the totals went down.  


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Battery free computers, will be an interesting development in the case of grid failures.  Violently shaking it in frustration will help power the beast!!!!


Recently my watch's battery ran out, and I know I could have used a mobile phone for the time, but out came my wind-up watch until I could get into the big city (no place to change the batteries in a little village/hamlet).  At that time I suddenly realised that the watch is now an antique as my father bought it for me when I was a teen, which must have been over 50 years ago.  Needless to say it is a Swiss watch!    It is part of my preps for a long-lasting grid down scenario (eg the underwater electricity cable to the island is cut).  

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EdwinSM-I do not study the statistics in such detail (good you do !). I see statistics as "giving some indications at best" of how Covid19 is developing. When I look at the difference between Dutch and Belgian data-Belgium tends to include all "likely" deaths due to Covid19, NL may even exclude some tested cases from care centers in the past-there is no clear definition on what the numbers mean per country. 

(Dr.John Campbell was surprised to see some US states do not have numbers on Covid19 in children, the definition of a child could be 20+, race was also often excluded.)

-A few years back there was a hype on flashlights "you had to shake" to keep it working. The idea of a "sort of dynamo" generating enough energy to keep some electronic working is nice. Practice often shows "limited succes". But I hope that will change...(I remember 30 years ago Japan was working on a washing machine that worked with sound waves-nice idea..did not become practice-yet. There have also been some experiments with showers-then drying with hot dry air-not good for the skin.)

DJ-Lots of storms in the Atlantic-but the good part is far from land. (Wild)fires in western US a.o. and a refugeecamp in Greece "Moria" (housing 13.000-room for 3000-Covid19 spreading...) 

On the war front China-India, NAto with drills near Belarus (preparing to move east after NApoleon, and the NAzi's "to liberate Russian oil fields"?). In the US the police did shoot a 13 year old boy with autism-the mother asked for help. She would restart her job after 1 year-the boy panicked -no doubt there are many good police (wo)men in the US but also that many times things go terribly wrong...(more often proberbly then in other western countries-but police/public interaction is problematic in many countries due to corruption and violence.)

Peak Prosperity; CM (and Dr. J.C.in another video) on vitamin D [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZuCrwYa80s[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZuCrwYa80s 

-In a bradykinin-storm vitamin D is down regulated-gets less effective. Extra vitamin D may offer protection- A large Israeli study (looking at info from 2010-2019 in over 5 million patients-six groups "average citizens" Orthodox Jews, Arabs-and male/female difference) did show vitamin D offering protection against getting ill. (CM-now makes a difference between the Covid-19 virus and SARS-2-illness-in my opinion making things extra complicated-COrona VIral Disease=the illness spread by the COVID19 virus-DJ).

-In a Spanish study "calcifediol" (high dosage vitamin D3-analog) helps to cure Covid19 patients. In a group of 76 hospitalized (tested etc) cases-all treated with HCQ and azitromicin 50 also did get calcifediol/D3-analog, 26 did not. From the 50 one ended up in ICU-from the 26-13 needed ICU and 2 died.

-Looking at statistics there is (a.o.) in Spain a clear second wave in cases-but not in deads (DJ-or hospitalization-YET !!!). CM wonders why the difference ? More testing, other age group, better treatment ? DJ-In another video CM did get an answer-in the "first wave" most of the testing was in hospital cases. Now there is much more testing-before people end up in hospital. DJ-Another reason may be hospitals did get overrun, did seek answers/treatments. (Also another note-looking at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ we are over 900.000 deaths-every day around 5000 new deaths worldwide-and autumn, winter on its way...) 

-PP/CM mentions his XYZ "theory" (DJ-non-sense) basicly sort of herd immunity. I think that is way to optimistic. One could argue that a main reason why "deaths are limited" (as far as they are limited) in countries facing a second wave is that most of those places have summer-so vitamin D. (South America has winter, the first wave did follow winter-so low vitamin D). "No reasons for lock down" keep your immune system boosted may be ignoring the fact that enough young healthy people do get infected and get ill-even the mild/a-symptomatic cases often showing (lasting) healthissues. 

PP/CM seems to have decided that since there is testing, treatment etc. COVID19 should no longer be such an economic burden. DJ-I totally disagree. Looking at the NL situation-most likely similar to a lot of other developed countries-testing. PPE is a problem or will become a problem soon. Health Care is simply not ready yet for a second wave of hospitalizations. (A lot of HCW are still exhausted from wave 1-demotivated by the lack of political support-working extreme hours for low wages. The political priority is the economy NOT healthcare. The political idea is to go back to the "old normal" that did bring us in these problems. )

There may be some vaccines soon-on a larger scale. I (DJ) do not care were they come from as long as they work and can be used in a safe way on a large scale. NPI/politics did fail to get COVID19 under control-making things worse. Lockdowns-a wrong reaction-can destroy the economies. Transformation of the economy could be a way out-mixing NPI with keeping the economy going. (So groceries being delivered, work/study from home, masks and proper-wide scale-testing. No (international air) travel unless if it is essential. 

DJ- We are not on the way out of the corona-crisis, we are sinking deeper into the mud. [url]https://innovationorigins.com/targeted-after-care-helps-patients-with-severe-cases-of-corona/[/url] or https://innovationorigins.com/targeted-after-care-helps-patients-with-severe-cases-of-corona/ may be good news in treatment-but not available if a lot of people would need such treatment. 

Cases going up almost all over Europe, increasing (social, travel) restrictions, schools, companies getting closed. In my opinion the outlook is not good at all. 

WAR

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/forty-eight-48-f-16-fighter-jets-over-belgium-with-dozens-of-attack-helicopters-today[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/forty-eight-48-f-16-fighter-jets-over-belgium-with-dozens-of-attack-helicopters-today  DJ-HT is trying to get people to subscribe-most likely his extreme views are keeping most of them to do so. But B52's flying all over Europe, NATO drills near the Belarus border, India-China tensions, The US/Israel war with Iran etc. is all trending towards a major conflict between the US and some allies and Russia-Iran-China and some allies over "global domination". 

DJ Music-they coming to take me away [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0rgeQ0QD-o[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0rgeQ0QD-o Napoleon XIV 


 

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DJ-Here in NL we had 1140 new tested cases in one day. [url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/09/09/social-restrictions-table-new-dutch-infections-top-1100-since-apr-18[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/09/09/social-restrictions-table-new-dutch-infections-top-1100-since-apr-18The last time we did see such a high number was mid-april-the peak of the "first wave". Allthough statistics only give an indication-the 1140 in one day is in the top 10 of highest daily increases. Other European countries-more or less-see the same numbers. Worldwide [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ was not an extreme day. 

India did see an increase-in one day-of over 95.000 new cases. US and Brazil had a "calm day" around 35.000 new cases each. Germany-population 83 million-had an increase of 1393 cases, makes the Dutch numbers even more shocking...

The official story is "there was more testing" -"numbers of hospital cases, deaths limited" -"healthy people take tests"-reality is that demand for testing is much bigger than testing capacity, extra capacity (part in Germany) may take some time. You often have to wait days for getting tested or get results...one outcome is just reopened schools are close to collapse.

There is now a plan to give HCW-ers, teachers priority in testing. Of course this will create other problems elsewere. Most likely there is (major) undertesting. If you have mild complaints or an infected contact a lot of people skip testing. While testing is "the first line of defense". 

Hospitals allready have a staff problem. People in quarantine, or still recovering from earlier infections. But also lack of extra training so HCW-ers can do more at ICU, investments in childcare etc. mean a lot of the staff may not be ready for working extra hours. 

Of course this also is most likely not only a Dutch story...The spread of infection seems to be higher in cities with universities, higher education. (Official bla-bla "children do not spread the disease, safe to reopen etc). 

DJ-I can not predict the future but we can learn from the-recent-past. Companies are trying to "stay afloat" by dumping all unnecessary staff, real estate etc. decrease costs. Bad-market ideology-means a lot of workers are now living in expensive houses. What we may see soon in a.o. the US-people being kicked out of their house may become reality in parts of Europe as well. NL has a shortage of over 300.000 payable houses...

In the short term we may even get a (regional) september heatwave-coming week. Still autumn, winter is on its way. We already do see more social unrest, violence, crime-looks like things will worsen. 

-It looks like storms may be doing their storming over the Atlantic the coming days-in the short term limited risk for US/EU land. War-wise [url]https://southfront.org/international-situation-in-2020-dangers-and-threats/[/url] or https://southfront.org/international-situation-in-2020-dangers-and-threats/ (a Russian view ?)

The Cats Lea [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2snT7ryuNFA[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2snT7ryuNFA 

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DJ-We know the "United we stand"-soon we will rediscover "divided we fall". 

-At the Greek island-close to Turkey-13.000 refugees did spent another night in open air without much help. The refugeecamp "Moria" did catch fire twice. (DJ-Some claim the fire was started by refugees-as a protest, others claim islanders did it to get rid of the camp. A third scenario could be preparing food, or fire-for-heating, did start the fire by accident.) Before the fire there were already (over) 35 Covid-positive cases. No doubt that number will explode-with further spread of refugees (a lot of them from Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq-where the West started wars-but also some refugees from Africa) spreading the virus. 

Maybe it should be a rule that if you start a war you also deal with the refugees ? (DJ-I believe the world has now over 76 million refugees-about 1% of the global population ! Often their position remains bad-even if they end up in the EU or US. Often (sex)exploitation, no health care means increasing risk for public healthcare. The money is there, the political will to treat people as humans is the problem. Greed is a crime. )

-In Oregon-US over 500.000 people on the run-around 10% of the state population. Wildfires most likely claimed tens of lives in the western US. Some of the people losing their home may sleep in their car coming winter...

In the Atlantic two storms and FOUR (!!!!) "systems"-at least one of them may become a problem for the US this weekend. 

BPEarthwatch [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWq2640lpnE[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWq2640lpnE 

- Yesterday recordnumber of new cases-over 302.000 new cases in one day-close to 6000 deaths in one day worldwide.[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ .

Here in NL testingcapacity/labcapacity-or political stupidity of not buying in enough capacity-is becoming a major problem. In some places 20% of schools see Covid-cases. Since there is no national response plan sometimes schools close, sometimes only the infected cases stay home. Healthcare is also facing growing problems. 

The travel sector wants ONE European list of wich travel destinations are safe or not. Now each country (or even region) can make their own list-unworkable. Travel agencies have to pay for getting their clients from a danger zone-some of them may have just arrived...

DJ-I am against international travel at this moment.Travel=virus spread ! Be clear on that-put the travel sector in a "freeze" so they minimize their costs, their employees can be usefull elsewere...that would hurt that sector less than unclear chaos as "policy". Virs does spread via children (and teachers) ..So-keep schools closed (at least for most)-deal with the problems that will give-but do not start schools to see them close within one month because the virus is doing what virus do....it is that stupid !

-As I opened-United we stand, divided we fall/fail....when a crisis is not under control it becomes a bigger crisis, deeper, more widespread. Can Covid19 "kill" countries ? Yes it can !!!!! Do we need an international approach-YES !!!!

-Elsewere on this forum discussion on Sputnik-V (based on adeno-virus RNA). It was tested-in the Lancet study-on 76 people. I believe the results were followed for 40 days...that is very limited info. A safe, cheap, easy to make vaccine-that would require vaccination every three months-to keep effective (just like the every year flu-shot) would be a major breakthrough if it worked in most cases. But if it has a serious side effect (like overreaction of the immune system) in 1 of 1000 cases it may already be as good as useless.  

-The only effective weapon is NPI social distancing, face masks, work/study from home, avoid public transport, elevators etc. That in itself is already a very huge step to take..we are not doing it. 

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DJ-When you look at World War Two and prior to that war had many faces. From commando landings in Norway-in order to get info-but also killing German soldiers in silence-spreading fear in German coast defense. To the operation convincing Germany the Allied forces would land in Brittany-not Normandy. But a lot of info is hidden, secret. The UK was planning to send forces to Finland to help Finland against Russia (trying to get back to borders from before World War One-Finland, Poland, Baltic States were parts of the Russian Empire till 1917/19). The German invasion of Norway (april 1940) did mean those UK forces were send to Norway-and did slow down the German invasion. 

We are now in "pre-war" living under the shadow of a major war on global domination between the US and Russia-Iran-China. That major war could be just minutes away, may have already started. It would be a good thing when countries organized to prevent such a major war. That major war is suicide for all nations, most likely the end of life on this planet. There will be no winners...

Climate

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tVuHk45PBo[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tVuHk45PBo Paul Beckwith on the Arctic destruction...DJ-Atlantic-warm-water moving into the Arctic making a re-freeze as good as impossible. We need ice at the poles to keep the planet at the right temperature for life-we are destroying that high speed. The reason the US/Canada still has cold winters-often is most likely due to Greenland ice. Less Arctic ice may be one (of many) reason(s) why we do have so much warmer winters in Europe. (DJ-Snow is a memory for me...maybe I will see some melting snow this winter.)

-Volcanic activity in NW Europe [url]https://academic.oup.com/gji/article/222/2/1316/5835686[/url] or https://academic.oup.com/gji/article/222/2/1316/5835686

Again-Are humans self-destructive ? 

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DJ,

When I look at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ the pandemic is far from over. Yesterday global cases increase over 310.000, India getting close to a 100.000 new cases per day. 

Here in NL we had an increase of 1270 new cases-almost one of the highest number from this pandemic. In my opinion things can get ugly soon-and we have not yet seen that ugly-on a global scale-so far. The New York or Sao Paulo crises may repeat itself in other places-with even less control. There is discussion on how good testing is in India. That discussion would not be there if the numbers were low. Testing in India is about 60% of testing in Brazil-a lot of rapid tests. But if the tests are the problem one could also expect a lot of false negatives...

Here in NL teachers, healrh care workers may get priority testing. With the limits-due to how the lab-part of testing is organized (there is more than enough test/lab capacity-but for "market reasons" that capacity is not used. Hospitals and GP-doctors both have their own testing capacity-competition is meant to keep prices down..) this could mean no one else can get tested. Also reports of HCW/teachers with mild symptoms have to go to work-if they wear a mask they are not supposed to spread the virus...

-From this part of insanity now to another-Peak Prosperity/Chris Martenson claiming "the pandemic is over"....[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o61QxWjRgbg[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o61QxWjRgbg

-"We do know how to treat cases, herd immunity, NPI should be able to keep numbers down" DJ-reality is we do not trust testing for a 100%, spread without symptoms is a major problem in young people-basicly it still is out of control. 

-Maybe it is just me-but I feel angry when PP/CM "leaves a sinking ship" claiming we arrived at the harbour-he did a great job, but his XYZ-"theory" due to herd immunity, self selection social distancing, better treatments in my opinion is non-sense. We are moving towards the worst part of the pandemic and PP claims the pandemic is over ?

Other news,

[url]https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/[/url] or https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/ and [url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ Tropical depression 19 did form near Florida-may become a problem for south US beginning of next week. With several "invests" and storms/huricanes in the Atlantic you can be certain the US-and most likely Europe-will see some of it the coming week. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5XZU6WCHuY[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5XZU6WCHuY BP Earthwatch also following events.

On the USGS site a M6.1 in Japan, a M6.3 in Chile-seismic activity increasing. The western US wildfires smoke clouds did reach Europe yesterday. (If I can find a link for that I will include a link-DJ [url]https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/trending/western-wildfires-live-updates-californias-bobcat-fire-burns-nearly-24k-acres-is-6-contained/G23VWDNAO5BC7HTWBZLK5U3PYM/[/url] or https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/trending/western-wildfires-live-updates-californias-bobcat-fire-burns-nearly-24k-acres-is-6-contained/G23VWDNAO5BC7HTWBZLK5U3PYM/ ; Update 1:45 p.m. EDT Sept. 11: Smoke from the California wildfires has spread to hover Europe on Friday, according to the European Organisation for the Exploitation of Meteorological Satellites.)

DJ-What I try to do in this "scenarios"section is follow the pandemic against it background. Without World War One the Spanish Flu most likely would not have become that bad. As PP puts it; terrain matters. 

Maybe everything is a balancing act. We make great progress [url]https://innovationorigins.com/ultra-fast-3d-bioprinter-makes-body-parts-in-a-flash/[/url] or https://innovationorigins.com/ultra-fast-3d-bioprinter-makes-body-parts-in-a-flash/ while at the same time [url]https://southfront.org/houthis-strike-riyadh-with-missiles-and-drones/[/url] or https://southfront.org/houthis-strike-riyadh-with-missiles-and-drones/ wars/genocides keep going on. 

Whoever wins the US election major unrest may even get worse after those elections. [url]http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2020/09/forest-fires-cause-high-emissions-in-oregon.html[/url] or http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2020/09/forest-fires-cause-high-emissions-in-oregon.html soot from wildfires in part end up at snow and ice creating less solar reflection (because it is dark) so more heat absorption. 

We live in a time of multiple crises mixing with each other and getting awfully close to an abyss. The Covid19 pandemic is just part of the problem. DJ-I see myself as an optimist, but with so much problems "it is a major challange" to find the right answers at the right time. We do not have to solve all the problems now-life is always facing some "issues"-on the short term it may be good enough to "keep your head above the water" on the longer term you need "dry land to make a living". 

Music; Safe in my garden-a gathering of flowers-Mama's and Papa's [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXw76KW_KCg[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXw76KW_KCg

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-Since I think this is a very important part of this pandemic, [url]https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.01.277152v1.full.pdf[/url] or https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.01.277152v1.full.pdf on spread of Covid19 in mink and via mink into cats and humans. It happened in the first 16 infected Dutch mink farms more often then expected. Mutation in mink was fast-a mutation per two weeks. Making mink and Covid19 a bio hazard. With this kind of stories [url]https://www.furfreealliance.com/shocking-results-of-the-investigation-on-probably-the-largest-fur-farm-in-the-world/[/url] or https://www.furfreealliance.com/shocking-results-of-the-investigation-on-probably-the-largest-fur-farm-in-the-world/ in mind spread via mink could become a major risk. 

This largest mink farm is in Poland-they had relative limited Covidcases so far. Another reason why Covid19 is not found in animals is that we simply do not look for it-it is not supposed to spread that way. (Just like it was not supposed to spread via children.) 

There are tests for Covid checks in animals [url]https://www.idexx.com/en/about-idexx/news/idexx-makes-pet-test-covid-19-virus-available-veterinarians/[/url] or https://www.idexx.com/en/about-idexx/news/idexx-makes-pet-test-covid-19-virus-available-veterinarians/ and [url]https://www.idexx.co.uk/en-gb/veterinary/reference-laboratories/coronavirus-diagnostic-update/[/url] or https://www.idexx.co.uk/en-gb/veterinary/reference-laboratories/coronavirus-diagnostic-update/ (DJ-I did see a report-I believe from idexx-in 5000 cats more recently-then they did not find covid19 in those cats). 

Covid19 came from animals, most likely may spread-(parallel ?) in animals-humans are not excluded. If we do not get Covid19 under control in animals we may not be able to get a grip on it in humans. 

-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ DJ-If I look at NL data-it may take two or three days-sometimes even more-to get tested. Then the results may take days. NL is not the only country with such delays. India is using rapid testing-they now doubt the results. "Testing is still a problem" is an understatement. 

Looking at the numbers 5 countries have more then 10.000 new cases in one day. India, USA, Brazil, Argentina and France-showing a global increase in cases. Another note, countries like Spain, Sweden do not seem to give a daily update in new tested cases. 

-Dr. John Campbell [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4rogMS4EGc[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4rogMS4EGc with his daily updates. (Since PP/CM ran away claiming the pandemic was over Dr. J.C. is one of a few sources putting Covid19 in a global perspective. MedCram is doing a great job in medical terms-I am more interested in "a wider view") 

-Australia, summer coming, masks mandatory, strict rules Closing NSW/Victoria border and relative limited cases in Arnhem Land/Northern Territories

-The US may be over it second peak/wave-(DJ-With winter, elections coming a third wave may be on its way. Wildfires, hurricanes, chaos do not help). R0 in a lot of States >1, much spread in younger age group

-India-most likely underreporting, lots of cases/deaths not getting tested-most likely the Covid hotspot on the globe for the moment (DJ-A war with China-and Pakistan/Bangla Desh) would be a disaster). 

-UK apps coming-scan-inn on QR code when you enter a shop etc. Test&trace policy still not very effective <70% (Dr. J.C. 80%+ is needed to work) Testing still a problem-plan 500.000 test per day end october-"Moon Shot" later on 10 million per day getting the UK all of its population tested every week...Dr.J.C. not very realistic..(DJ-Me be-in basic-a good idea). Would need new-far cheaper-faster-testing. False positives/negatives would make system not working-Dr.J.C. "Science Fiction"/Apollo 13

-Dr.J.C. a bit mixed on the coming months-optimistic because number of deaths has been low, pessimistic on the spread in Europe, India. DJ-So far a higher number of testing detected cases earlier and most often in a much younger age group. During "the first wave" a lot of testing was done in hospitals=severe cases. In that way you should not compare spring statistics with end-of-summer statistics. We are moving towards autumn-the spring-data was-most-over three, sometimes four months. The "second wave" just started-we may be in the first month of those statistics. If you want to compare it to spring numbers it may reflect the "undetected/untested" numbers before the hospital cases showed up. The severe cases/deaths may be on their way. We do now have better detection/knowledge-a lot of "first wave deaths" were the results of a crashing health care system/wrong treatments. But if we are not able to keep numbers down enough that health care crash could happen again.  

Weather;

[url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=2[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=2 Will we get four named "systems" in the Atlantic at the same time ? Paulette, Rene (almost gone) and new Sally are already active-with Sally most likely to be a cat1 hurricane hitting southern US-Teddy may be forming mid Atlantic and may move north-limited risk. Vicky and Wilfred are most likely also ready to get started...The [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Atlantic_hurricane_season[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Atlantic_hurricane_season is bizar. 

WAR

US foreign politics in a nutshell-do we like the ruler of any country ? Y=use him/her N=control or replace him/her . A total lack of respect or will of mutual understanding. From Brazil replacing Lula/Rousef with a fascist bolsenaro, Bolivia, Ukraine, Belarus etc. Even willing to deal with IS/alquaida terrorists to replace governments in Syria, Iran, Russia, China. Hiring Chinese muslims for IS and then having a big mouth on human rights abuse when China reacts by putting more control on the Muslim-minority. Paying Hong Kong demonstrations, supporting jihadi's in Dagastan-Russia. 

Now trump is asking for a "nobel peace price" for "bringing peace to the Middle East". Israel making "peace"with the UAE, Bahrain. First of all-was there a war between Israel and the dictators ruling those oil states ? What conflict is ended ? Second UAE, Bahrain, KSA are main sponsors of Islamic extremism. those countries are not a democracy-way worse than Syria or Iraq under Saddam Hussein. You need to replace those kind of dictatorships-not make peace with those oil-criminals !

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deera_Square[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deera_Square The over 20.000 Saudi Royal family claim they own the land. An average citizen/worker may be even better of in North Korea then in these desert oil states. Lot of foreign workers are treated as slaves. Still that does not stop "the west"from being friends with these "rulers"-as long as they buy western weapons and control energy for the west. (DJ-Of course when Russia, China can get more grip they would be dealing with those criminals as well-human rights, enviroment etc are "political minor issues" in the "real world".)

Enough of this-music, remind me of the Mamas & Papas; Guys & Dolls-You're my world [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYs42eAiVzA[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYs42eAiVzA (From TopPop a Dutch Pop-TV-Show-started in 1970 killed by MTV-managed to fly in-on short notice-stars from around the globe if they had a hit in NL !)

   

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To see how a pandemic will evolve you have to look at the disease(s) against its background(s). If this [url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=2[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=2 is one of the backgrounds you know you have a problem. BPEarthwatch [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1wcVfwc84U[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1wcVfwc84U describing "Sally" to slow down and dump record rain on New Orleans-with record-at places-surge. "Sally" can become a Cat2...Covid-aware evacuations...still a lot of chaos...

-DJ-I do NOT agree with HT political views and he often makes me wonder what he wants-a civil war ? [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/breaking-news-oregon-county-commissioners-told-by-law-enforcement-antifa-staging-gas-cans-to-start-more-fires-and-armed-with-chain-saws-to-cut-utility-poles-start-fires-block-rescues[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/breaking-news-oregon-county-commissioners-told-by-law-enforcement-antifa-staging-gas-cans-to-start-more-fires-and-armed-with-chain-saws-to-cut-utility-poles-start-fires-block-rescues  ???

Everything has been made a conflict-I did see a ZH article-it is not climate change related fires/drought but el Nina...well el Nina is also climate change related...Lightning and carelessness are two main reasons for wildfires. If some "person" is starting fires be carefull to put a "political color"on it-is it right wing trying to blame the left or the other way round-or a-political, maybe a landowner "cleaning the land" ? 

-Internationally-the Belarus/Navalny "poisoning" story goal could be to stop North Stream-2; Germany buying more energy from Russia. The Russia-Iran-China alliance is close to breaking point with the US. In an economic way this could mean "dumping the US$, shares, bonds etc". The US may (re)act by not paying any bills/debts to China...

-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (I use worldometers-others may have other numbers) would indicate slow down of cases and deaths-the WHO numbers would be above 300.000 new cases. 

There is trouble in reporting cases-not one uniform systym of "what is a tested case". There are problems in (all sorts of) testing. If you do not have good data how you are able to get a clear picture of how this pandemic is moving ? 

DJ-International chaos seems to be increasing at a very dangerous level. In the comming months extreme weather events will spread Covid19 further. [url]https://www.containmentnu.nl/en/home[/url] or https://www.containmentnu.nl/en/home is trying to get some brains in dealing with the pandemic. The idea of "group immunity" with a corona-virus is insane...(they did not try to get "herd immunity with AIDS/HIV or did they-in Africa ?) 

We-here in NL-may see a short return of summer, maybe even at some places a heatwave-temperatures could be 30C+/90F-not normal for mid-september. Stay safe....(due to worsening international conditions internet continuity is not certain).

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WHO seems to be working on a different reporting schedule.  Worldometers had a weekend with fewer new cases, but the WHO came out with a record number of daily cases.  

Mortal: Don't read too much into daily variation, look for longer trends.  

Actually, I think that WHO is slower than many sites in publishing data.  Also, in the past I noticed that if a country revises old data Worldometers puts it in the date concerned (and so it is easy to miss) whereas WHO tended to record the whole revision for theday it was announced.  Both approaches seem valid, but it sometimes makes it hard to get good comparisons of what is happening.

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EdwinSM-Statistics may give an indication on numbers increasing or decreasing-for that matter I choose to use worldometers-all the time so I can compare those developments.

-[url]https://www.corona24.news/c/2020/09/14/where-for-coronavirus-october-and-november-are-the-most-difficult-months-in-europe.html[/url] or https://www.corona24.news/c/2020/09/14/where-for-coronavirus-october-and-november-are-the-most-difficult-months-in-europe.html  ;

THE World Health Organization (WHO) expects an increase in the number of deaths due to it COVID-19 in Europe in October and Novemberwho will be “More difficult” months for the new coronavirus epidemic, The director of the international wing of the international organization told AFP today, noting that Europe should seek targeted treatment, not generalized quarantines.

“It simply came to our notice then. “In October, November we will see a higher mortality rate,” Hans Kluge told AFP in an interview as the number of recorded cases on the old continent rose, but the number of daily deaths remained almost constant. . This increase in the number of deaths on a daily basis will be due to the increase in cases due to the return of the epidemic in Europe, according to the WHO.

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According to the APE-MPE, Klouge warned those who believe that the end of the pandemic will coincide with the creation of a vaccine against COVID-19, something that is underway. “I listen all the time: ‘The vaccine will mean the end of the epidemic’. Of course not!“, Noted Kluge. “We do not even know if the vaccine will be effective for all sections of the population. “Some of the indications we are receiving are that it will be effective for some, but not for others,” said the Belgian doctor. “And if we therefore have to order different vaccines, it will be a chamber nightmare …”, warned Kluge, expressing the hope that Europe will show solidarity.

«The end of the pandemic will come when we as a community will have learned to live with this pandemic. And that depends on us. This is a very positive message“,

-[url]https://innovationorigins.com/corona-in-europe-how-to-interpret-the-autumn-peak-of-the-pandemic/[/url] or https://innovationorigins.com/corona-in-europe-how-to-interpret-the-autumn-peak-of-the-pandemic/ 

The coronavirus has been gripping Europe at an unprecedented – but not yet murderous – rate since schools started again. The first full week of September was marked by unprecedented diagnostic peaks in almost every country.

How bad was it? So bad that the legend of the corona map had to be changed. In Croatia, the Czech Republic and Hungary, the previous 24-hour records of infections died down. In France and Spain it was even worse: 10,000 and 12,000 new infections were added in 24 hours at the end of last week. Such huge coronavirus increases are even worse than the ones that occurred in spring.

Nevertheless, the situation today can hardly be compared to that of March and April. The number of deaths and infections is much lower and a lot more testing is taking place. How exactly should we interpret the situation? That is the purpose of this article: Interpreting Coronadata 101. Don’t worry, it’s less boring or complex than it sounds.

WAR

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/iran-link-its-power-grid-russia-azerbaijan[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/iran-link-its-power-grid-russia-azerbaijan 

[url]https://southfront.org/on-the-verge-of-crisis/[/url] or https://southfront.org/on-the-verge-of-crisis/

[url]https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/china-to-us-you-are-the-ones-who-destroy-international-peace-and-syria-libya-and-iraq-are-witnesses/[/url] or https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/china-to-us-you-are-the-ones-who-destroy-international-peace-and-syria-libya-and-iraq-are-witnesses/

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weather; [url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=2[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=2 FOUR named storms in the Atlantic with 21 to be named


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-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ looking at the(se) numbers new cases and deaths would be decreasing. Europe did see between 30-40.000 new cases per day-the last two days. 

The America's totall are above 15 million-of a totall of almost 30 million-there is some more balancing with increasing numbers both in India and Europe. 

Some background;

-[url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ FIVE named systems-of wich "Sally" [url]https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/live-news/live-sally-rapidly-strengthens-into-a-category-2-hurricane/812608[/url] or https://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/live-news/live-sally-rapidly-strengthens-into-a-category-2-hurricane/812608 can do most damage. Some Atlantic storms may reach Europe or the Arctic. 

-On the war-front [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/chinas-global-times-warns-prepare-war[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/chinas-global-times-warns-prepare-war the US is still on the road to major conflict with Russia-Iran-China (RIC). One may only hope wise heads do limit the conflict. From the perspective of RIC the US is behind protests in Belarus, Hong Kong, supporting IS etc. against them. There is little point in talking when your partner is also already fighting you. 

Music; Do you know where hell is ? Hell is in Hell-o-[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jYk5u9vKfA[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jYk5u9vKfA Lee Marvin-1969-Wandering Star

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DJ,

Some on this forum claim this pandemic is related with US elections and will be gone after the november 3 US elections-I do not believe the SARS-2/Covid19 virus cares for elections...would love to see it gone tomorrow-but not realistic. One can get very popular in making claims like "climate change is not there", "Covid19 is a Chinese hoax", it is not bringing solutions-denying a problem makes the problem worse. Delaying solutions makes the problem a bigger one...

Is the virus lab/man made ? [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/i-am-target-silenced-chinese-virologist-tells-tucker-covid-19-intentionally-released-ccp[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/i-am-target-silenced-chinese-virologist-tells-tucker-covid-19-intentionally-released-ccp can be. For now that should not be the focus-in my opinion. If the house is on fire you deal with the fire first-then find out what started it. In the international close-to-war atmosphere I am not happy with "claims" like "China did it on purpose". 

The Doomsdayclock was put on an unprecedented 100 seconds for midnight at the beginning of 2020. In my opinion that is to optimistic-we may be just 1 minute-or less-away from "Doomsday". In wich I define "Doomsday" as total destruction of civilization. 

I can put another link at worldometers-but testing is a major problem in a lot of countries. Wildfires (most likely some started for "political" reasons-with groups blaming eachother) and "Sally" most likely decreased the number of US testing. Maybe for the US-at this moment-the numbers are falling. I am not optimistic for the US-those numbers soon will go up again-most likely even become more grimm in winter-certainly in urban area's. There is NO herd-immunity-the basic idea of defense is incorrect. There will be NO effective vaccine in the short term. Vaccines may have a limited effect-vaccination of billions of people will take more than a year. (Good news may be dogs can detect Covid19 in (most) humans, breath-analyzer may provide fast detection. The only real answer for now is social distancing, masks etc.)

Here in NL test-capacity has become a major headache. We did see an increase of 1379 new cases yesterday-a record number. (with also record heat 35C+ close to 100F in some parts of NL). Most of them students <30y/o. Hospital/ICU numbers slowly increasing-real number of cases most likely much higher-and NO government action on it-our "government" just let it happen. 

I did put a link to a study in Covid19 and minks in NL a few days ago. Its conclusion was; YES-Minks do form a reservoir for (mutating) Covid19 and YES-Minks do spread the virus to humans-and most likely to other animals-cats mostly. But no further action is taken-the minks will loose their fur in november with now over 52 of the 128 mink farms showing infection and no clear view on how the virus does spread in those farms...

-[url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 DJ-I see a similarity in those NHC charts and the Covid19 situation-a lot of activity. For the moment danger seems limited-on the longer term-a week-we may see "Sally" become again a Tropical Storm east of South Carolina, "Paulette", "Teddy" may become new risk factors, "Wilfred" is on its way. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Storm_names[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Storm_names This pandemic is far from over. Dealing with a pandemic can be-certainly in internet-times- possible. But "we"choose to keep (air)travel going, schools, shops going...we would not do so in the middle of a hurricane-why is it so hard to realize how to deal with a pandemic ???

-[url]https://innovationorigins.com/allergic-reactions-as-protection-against-bacterial-infections/[/url] or https://innovationorigins.com/allergic-reactions-as-protection-against-bacterial-infections/ Some allergies offer protection ? 

(And another one-since new-tech can be good news ! [url]https://innovationorigins.com/electronic-lens-offers-a-medical-solution-for-eye-disorders/[/url] or https://innovationorigins.com/electronic-lens-offers-a-medical-solution-for-eye-disorders/ )

-Peak Prosperity [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkO3CY4BYSE[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkO3CY4BYSE Chris Martenson with a good short story on putting things in perspective-the bigger picture. DJ-"We" as humans are "eating" our planet-not leaving much for next generations or other species. In my (DJ) view th e "ecological footprint" of "the rich" is becoming a major risk. About 80% of the flying is done by 10% of the passengers. We are not "over populated" , the ecological footprint of the poor is small. The "reform" that is needed is rebalancing. A reduction in population growth is welcome-it is what "we" do that is the problem. 

History can learn us "rebalancing" always is a struggle. The "have's" do not like to give to the "have nots" often. Todat even a lot of billionares see the problem and find tax rules absurd. Still a lot of rich people are driven by greed-at the cost of others, the planet. 

"The shore has to stop the ship"-learning the hard way-may become very destructive. Still-you need public support for the changes needed-it will be a major challange to agree on what change is needed. Exponential growth means exponential destruction. But does internet, 5G, mean "electronic polution" ? Are we turning Earth into a big microwave-oven ? 

Humans are self-destructive by what they do, what they believe to need doing. What can be constructive in a small scale, short term-can be destructive on a large scale, long term. A car is very high tech and clever-a billion cars is mass destruction killing millions of people each year in accidents and air polution. 

Music; "If ever the devil was born without a pair of horns it was you-Jezebel it was you" [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MupxjiO5l-8[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MupxjiO5l-8 Frankie Laine-anti-love song lyrics DJ-I love it   

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Josh, you are a voice of reason.

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We have always been on a path to self destruction it just looks as if we are reaching the end of that path!!

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Originally posted by ViQueen24 ViQueen24 wrote:

Josh, you are a voice of reason.

He always was.    - Thank you Josh!

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Thank you for your kind words....

DJ-On August 28 I did write I was wrong in thinking NL would become the new "hot spot" for Covid19. Again-wrong-it did only take a few more weeks...Belgium, Germany did give "Holland" (the western part of NL-with the major cities, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague/Den Haag/s'Gravenhage (and in French La Haye-this city has several names...) but also Ha(a)rlem, Leiden, Delft, Gouda (cheese) etc.) a "code Red". If people from Holland go to our neighbour countries they need testing/self-quarantine for two weeks..

I live in [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelderland[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelderland in a region with universities in Wageningen and Nijmegen-and major spread via students. Hospital cases/ICU admission going up all over. 

If you think trump is "bad" you have not seen our "government" yet. They dumped dealing with Covid to 25 "safety regions" and mayors. [url]https://coronadashboard.government.nl/[/url] or https://coronadashboard.government.nl/ (in English) the info is limited-but what is getting clear "there are no breaks". Face masks are not discussable. Our CDC "RIVM" thinks they give a false sense of protection-in spring they claimed "masks are needed for health care" ignoring the fact that they use medical masks-not some basic covering of nose and mouth. 

Here in NL the RIVM/Dutch CDC is telling politics what politics like to hear, politics/government hiding behind "experts". Untill recent the story was "children do not spread the disease" or "do not get ill" -eventhough international facts showed otherwise. The Dutch official "vision" on masks is unique !

There were some statistics/models showing NL could see over 100.000 deaths by january 1-2021. Since pandemics is always a mix of a virus/illness with its surroundings "Covid19 may feel very welcome in NL". 

-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ yesterday over 300.000 new cases, over 6000 deaths. India close to 100.000 new cases in one day. In cases per million Qatar is the hardest hit country, ignoring San Marino (with all respect to all readers from there on this forum...) Peru is the hardest hit country in deaths per million-according to the statistics. 

Of course the Baltic states, Belarus (yes-Belarus !) had less restrictions than Sweden. Most likely due to poor testing "Belarus has Covid19 under control". (The don't test, don't tell Trump-doctrine). 

I (DJ) did learn a lot from PP/Chris Martenson-but he is wrong in his XYZ-theory on herd immunity. Regions that were hit hard in spring do see-sometimes-high numbers this "second wave". The head of WHO-Europe did warn for overexpectations on what vaccines can do-I think he is correct in that. "This is not a flu"-flu has vaccine "containment". 

-Weather

"Sally" finally landed-slow moving bringing a lot of destruction in the south of the US. Greece [url]https://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2020/09/16/greece-medicane-ianos-warning-red-alert-sept-17-weather/[/url] or https://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2020/09/16/greece-medicane-ianos-warning-red-alert-sept-17-weather/ is expecting a "Medi-cane" Medi-terranean-hurriCane.  Global warming is a global problem-getting more urgent every minute. 

Since the rich pay politicians not to pay taxes one should not expect politics to do much. 

WAR

Just some headlines [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-india-new-major-himalayan-border-troop-build-expected-extend-winter[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-india-new-major-himalayan-border-troop-build-expected-extend-winter and

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-pushes-unprecedented-7-major-weapons-systems-sales-taiwan-once[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-pushes-unprecedented-7-major-weapons-systems-sales-taiwan-once 

"The West" is split in Europe willing to deals with Asia (where most of the global population lives) and the US (still believing they can "rule the world"). Russia-Iran-China is moving towards integration-Pakistan is also included. I am not sure on TIP...Turkey-Iran-Pakistan (TIP has a population of 386 million-a larger population than the US or Russia)-they may be united at some issues, divided on others-in combination they will dominate SW Asia. 

Some in the US are pushing for war-escalation of conflict with either Iran, China or a combination of all three RIC-countries. Some in the US even may believe "they can win a war"...In many countries the US is seen as a major risk for global stability. For propaganda-reasons the US is called a democracy-with large groups of the population no longer voting. Putin may be more popular in Russia than Trump is in the US...

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For what it is worth [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ the statistics. A record number of new cases-thursday september 17-almost 315.000 people in the world tested positive. Here in the NL you may have to wait 3 days before testing-due to a waitinglist. Competition between GP and hospital labs did cause German lab-capacity not being used in the NL since they did not have a Dutch speaking micro biologist... with reporting in English. 

In the NL also no further contact tracing, "politics" claiming most of the spread is at home. When you look at the outcome of contact tracing over 70% of the spread is "unknown", less then 10% states "home" is place of infection. Both the Dutch CDC-RIVM and the government do not want to take responsability for opening borders during the summer, even encouraging international (air) travel, also claiming the virus "does not spread via children". The RIVM still is against the "false sense of protection" face masks offer. Yesterday we did see over 1700 new cases here in NL with a lot of people not getting tested. 

What is happening in NL in some way most likely is happening elsewere. We may have "a perfect mix" for disaster. 

-[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/gas-lines-sabotaged-causing-two-explosions-oklahoma-and-arkansas[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/gas-lines-sabotaged-causing-two-explosions-oklahoma-and-arkansas DJ-I do not know if HT has any proof for his claims. I think the news in his reporting is increasing destabilization of the US. 

The coming elections will not restore "peace and unity". Trump may be forced to deploy more military to deal with wildfires, hurricanes and social unrest. Of course-good and clear policies would do better. Guarantee all people in the US a basic income would be better than spending the same amount of money on police. Tax the rich to cover the cost for medical care-to get a grip on the pandemic. Maybe the US may be in a pause-thme pandemic is far from over !

-BP Earthwatch [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBoByFFCmK4[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBoByFFCmK4 warning some models have "Teddy" moving towards New York City. Here in Europe Spain may see some effects of an "invest" now still in the NE Atlantic. Greece will see damage from a medicane. A cyclone is on its way to India...

-WAR

-[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/secret-s-out-u-s-builds-and-flies-new-fighter-jet[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/secret-s-out-u-s-builds-and-flies-new-fighter-jet Overestimating one's own ability to fight and win a war is dangerous. Even if the US would have "the best" weapons-peacefull cooperation is much wiser than endless wars costing trillions. 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/peter-schiff-warns-world-ready-reject-dollar-standard[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/peter-schiff-warns-world-ready-reject-dollar-standard DJ-"Dumping the Dollar" may be even becoming European policy. If that is needed to save the € Euro. I (DJ) expect more European-Asia trade with the US going for "new sanctions against Iran". The US will also sanction European companies/countries still doing trade with Iran. The outcome is isolation of the US NOT of Iran. 

What the US refuses to see is the landconnections between Russia-Iran-China. Also Turkey-Iran-Pakistan (TIP) will increase its interest. Turkey may buy oil from Iran and sell it as oil from Iraq. Still a NATO ally further sanctions of the US on Turkey will push Turkey further towards RIC. 

Another note here-every major currency needs international backing. China was willing to accept the US buying products on credit. No longer-the US-China (trade)war means a lot of countries not willing to do major deals in US$. Since the EU is that divided-most countries can find a partner in/with a EU member. If you have a problem with Italy-you may make a deal with Finland-still a Euro-country. And there are a lot of Euro's !

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DJ-Some further background;

-In storms we now have "Alpha" getting close to Portugal [url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/163416.shtml?cone#contents[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/163416.shtml?cone#contents TD 22 will become "Beta"[url]https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/145015.shtml?cone#contents[/url] or https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/145015.shtml?cone#contents as a risk for Texas. 

This is an unbelievable year-we may run out of Greek Letters [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Storm_names[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Storm_names with Gamma, Delta, Epsilon and Zeta left on the extra list...I do expect a hurricane/tropical storm to reach Europe this year. 

-WAR

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/india-and-japan-sign-military-alliance-against-china-as-world-braces-for-war[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/india-and-japan-sign-military-alliance-against-china-as-world-braces-for-war 

and 

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/china-warns-united-states-and-taiwan-with-air-power[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/china-warns-united-states-and-taiwan-with-air-power 

in the mean time 

[url]http://thesaker.is/how-xinjiang-interferes-with-the-eu-china-deal/[/url] or http://thesaker.is/how-xinjiang-interferes-with-the-eu-china-deal/ A "tele-meeting" of Xi, Merkel and EU top. 

[url]http://thesaker.is/iran-russia-china-alliance-transforming-global-balance-of-power-naqqash/[/url] or http://thesaker.is/iran-russia-china-alliance-transforming-global-balance-of-power-naqqash/ 

Both Belarus/Navalny "Novochok-poison"and using Uyghurs in IS is meant to stop Europe and Asia working together. Stop Northstream-2, EU-Iran trade etc. DJ-This may not only be the view of Russia-Iran-China but also of "bussinesses"in Europe that want a share of the over 4 billion people market in Asia. 

With Eur-Asian integration, de-dollarization the US will get marginalized. 

-[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/09/18/nearly-2000-new-coronavirus-infections-covid-hospital-total-doubled-since-sept-7[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/09/18/nearly-2000-new-coronavirus-infections-covid-hospital-total-doubled-since-sept-7 

"Dutch government" no we are not yet in the second wave-hospital cases have to go up-so we will be in a-much worse-widespread-second wave in October....

DJ-Still things can get worse-it would be nice if there was improvements not further sinking in a deep endless swamp !

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DJ-Techno posted a great article-Thinking inside the box-describing the corona situation-in my (DJ) opinion not only in the US but-maybe basicly worldwide. I see a lot of similarity with our inability in dealing with climate collapse...

-An article like "Thinking inside the box" is good news, more rapid tests, (preventative) treatments may also be good news....the bad news is that there are close to 8 billion people on this planet. Providing protection may take years and does not seem to be a priority...

-[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ "9/11" had 316.000+ cases, yesterday did see over 315.000 new tested cases. Most likely just a shadow of the real number of exploding cases...(yesterday I put the wrong number of German cases in comparison with NL explosion of cases-the German number was not completed..sorry for that).

-[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/iran-president-says-u-s-will-be-defeated-this-weekend-so-us-sends-carrier-strike-group-into-persian-gulf[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/iran-president-says-u-s-will-be-defeated-this-weekend-so-us-sends-carrier-strike-group-into-persian-gulf (DJ-You just can read the headline-if you know enough of the background-I put links as an extra) and 

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLRta8u3Pmo[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLRta8u3Pmo BP Eartwatch describing two hurricanes that will hit the US within 72 hrs...Also wondering why dealing with wildfires in the western US-with its smoke spreading allover the US is not a priority..

DJ-We are moving towards the darkest of scenario's...Does Trump want to go for a "short succesfull war" to get re-elected ? By including Japan and India into a anti-China alliance Pakistan will move over to Russia-Iran-China creating "PRIC" with THREE nuclear armed states, Russia, China, Pakistan-maybe (North) Korea could become the fourth nuclear state in that alliance...In South Korea the hatred and anger towards Japan is bigger than the fear for the North. Russia, China, Pakistan, Iran are growing markets...why stick to a US led "disaster group "? 

DJ-In my opinion there is a growing risk of "major war"-since PRIC believes the US does want a confrontation why wait for a first US strike ? Both the US and "PRIC" believe they have "superior weapons"-most of wich we have not seen, may find hard even to imagine...making a "fast war" tempting if a war can not be avoided anyway. 

-[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/ has a list of articles on UK spreading propaganda on Syria, novichok etc...Also US used bio-weapons during the Korea war. The UK is also preparing to kill/export Julian Assange...

-DJ, to put it in simple terms; "the west" is moving towards a new way of fascism high speed-with companies in controll of government-no (real) action on climate change or Covid19-more techno-controll of its population. "The east" is preparing for war-with a lot of companies under state-supervision and China having Covid19 under control-Russia and China preparing to export vaccines for large scale testing (just like the west will test vaccines in Brazil, Africa...) 

-DJ-I refuse to give up hope-but sometimes find it hard to see "a spot of light". Sometimes it is good to look at the past when the future looks like one big black hole... Music-Dutch rock/blues Cuby and the Blizzards [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2KSJ0ld5Ls[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2KSJ0ld5Ls 

As always I hope I am wrong in my expectations...War may be problem #1, Climate Collapse #2, uncontrolled Covid19-killing millions soon-#3. For "the rich" Covid19 is "not their problem" maybe even welcome-killing the poor....


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A P.S. to what I just posted,

-A US-India-Japan (and Australia) alliance may not be very welcome for both nationalists and anti-US groups in Japan and India. Even intelligence in the US may have second thoughts on it-if bringing Japan closer means losing South Korea. 

India may be interseted in working with the US against Pakistan in the first place-while the US would like India to do "the dirty work" against India. On the longer term India was an ally-more or less-of Russia NOT the US. From the over 200 million Muslims in India to all kind of anti-Hindu-fascism groups-including the large opposition Congres Party a US-India (Japan) alliance is NOT welcomed !

It may bring "dis-union" (from the US) to India. It could even bring the end of India as a State. In a military sense-from Indian perspective-facing Pakistan, China means also facing Muslim Bangla Desh, Iran, Nepal etc...hopeless. The Modi-government may be losing its elite backing. 

In Japan and East Asia World War Two is still in living memory. The bombing of Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki by the US is a wound that did not heal. (DJ-The fire bombing of Tokyo january 1945 killed more than 100.000. The atomic bombs on Japan in august 1945 most likely are seen as not needed-sacrificing Japanese lives to send a message to Stalin. )

Many East Asia nations remember the Japanese occupation in pure horror. [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/09/cia-intercepts-suggest-us-lied-about-biological-weapon-use-during-its-war-on-korea.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/09/cia-intercepts-suggest-us-lied-about-biological-weapon-use-during-its-war-on-korea.html The US going on where the Japanese horror unit 731 stopped (see also [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84sc4EB8Q40[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84sc4EB8Q40 DJ-the Japanese war crimes may go even beyond the nazi-horrors. Using Chinese and Russians (living in northern China) as fuel etc is beyond my worst expectations...) in combination with killing over 10% of the Norrth Koreans during the 1950-53 war, killing millions of Vietnamese during the Viet Nam/Indo China war (that brought the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge into power in Cambodia-killing 1/3 of all Cambodians-starting a Viet Nam intervention war in 1979 ending the Khmer Rouge terror-but also starting a limited China-Viet Nam border conflict that in itself started almost a war between China and the Soviet Union). 

Countries like the Phillippines, Indonesia, Korea did see millions of their population being treated as slaves, being killed by Japan during WW2. Japan never excused for their crimes...

The US does see WW2 as a "US victory" while it was-in many ways a Soviet Victory. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable the history of WW2 is "rewritten" in the west. Most western States did support hitlers anti-Bolsjewism till 1939-refused a anti German alliance with the Soviet Union in august 1939-giving Stalin no other choice than to make an-unexpected by "the west"-deal with hitler-Germany. 

For both Russia and China WW2 is living memory that killed tens of millions. 

The UK declared war on Germany september 3 1939 after the German(-Russian invaded Poland september 17) invasion of Poland. In april 1940 UK forces were ready to be send to Finland to fight the Soviet Union-invasion. The nazi-attack on Denmark and Norway meant those UK forces slowed down the German Army in Norway. The UK goal was "balance of power"in Europe NOT to stop Hitler. 

World War Two-in Europe-did bring division. In many countries large groups worked with Germany, did join the German army in the "fight against communism". in 1945 some parts of Europe were in ruin. (Some other parts did see limited damage, hardly any fighting. The 1940-45 era in Denmark is different from that of Amsterdam. The germans did kill almost all of the 10%+ Amsterdam Jewish population. 

War seems to be a US option-since the last major war in the US was the US civil war-wich has become a myth full of false heroism. 

The 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war-one of many US started wars-killed millions and is just one of many US "enterprises" to stay #1. By pushing a war agenda the EU may break with the US. "We have seen the horrors of war".

-Using Covid19 to "kill the poor" of course is totally unacceptable-but the only real explanation of unfolding developments. "Going for herd immunity" is a choice-and a bad choice. But it fits in a history full of genocides...

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/09/18/coronavirus-diagnosed-54th-dutch-mink-farm[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/09/18/coronavirus-diagnosed-54th-dutch-mink-farm DJ-The government inaction on this is beyond me...so far there is no clear indication of widespread spread via animals-let us hope it stays that way. 

-[url]http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2020/09/temperatures-threaten-to-become-unbearable.html[/url] or http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2020/09/temperatures-threaten-to-become-unbearable.html DJ-With a Blue Ocean Event not far away in the Arctic and an unseen number of storms in the Atlantic stopping climate change should be top-priority-but it is not. 

Like in Covid19 the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_function[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_function seems to be not understood. One could argue "stupid people make stupid mistakes, smart people do smart mistakes" but this is refusing science.. it is not a mistake it is a choice...to put short term gains above short term certain destruction (it is no longer a "long term risk". The IPCC models of "events happening in 2100"are a "fantasy"-if the facts do not fit in the models ignore the facts is stupid) !

-DJ I hope I am wrong, what to expect in the short term. 

-War is a major risk. With that many frontlines an escalation can start at a lot of places. From Syria-with NATO/"rebels" starting another chemical attack and blaming Assad, Belarus-NATO moving in-on request of the "opposition". The US stopping Iran oil exports to Venezuela, China to the Yemen war with KSA, UAE (UK, US, Israel) getting out of control. 

We are now facing a time-unprecedented-in wich (P)RIC (Pakistan) Russia Iran China have lost all trust in point of talking to the US. The US-trump-only make deals to break them-so what is the point. Europe can stop a major escalation by making clear it will not follow the US in further wars-but the UK is already in US war efforts...The US war-hawks live in fantasyland in wich the US is that superior it "can role over"any country. In their insanity "war is a piece of cake", endless wars are good for the US economy-so start more and bigger wars-get "the poor"to fight and die. (The Yemen War did see Pakistan Sudan, Egypt forces, IS, South American mercenaries, "Private Contractors" etc-now part of the UAE-Israel "peace deal" is Israel participating in the Yemen War. No doubt "Trump should get the nobel-peace price"sarcasm)

I mentioned both gencidal aspects of Covid19 and World War 3, climate collapse in earlier "scenario posts". Of course major earthquakes-many "overtime" would make the outlook even worse...

There's got to be a morning after [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcTUM_lWG7M[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcTUM_lWG7M  DJ-No more time for "false hope's "(or XYZ PP-non-sense on herd immunity) I tried to put this Covid19 against a background of other ongoing global developments. Maybe the best hope left is "to limit the damage" ...

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DJ-Let me start with a quote;

“The gloves were off on Tuesday as the US Government explicitly argued that all journalists are liable to prosecution under the Espionage Act (1917) for publishing classified information.” (italics mine).

“All journalists” means every legitimate journalist, from every nationality, operating in any jurisdiction.

What does this quote from [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pepe-escobar-assange-trial-mask-empire-has-fallen[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pepe-escobar-assange-trial-mask-empire-has-fallen mean ? 

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/09/fake-news-about-iran-russia-china-is-us-journalisms-daily-bread.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/09/fake-news-about-iran-russia-china-is-us-journalisms-daily-bread.html 

[url]https://thebulletin.org/2020/09/the-brain-computer-interface-is-coming-and-we-are-so-not-ready-for-it/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Newsletter_09172020&utm_content=DisruptiveTechnology_BrainComputer_09152020[/url] or https://thebulletin.org/2020/09/the-brain-computer-interface-is-coming-and-we-are-so-not-ready-for-it/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Newsletter_09172020&utm_content=DisruptiveTechnology_BrainComputer_09152020 "thougth control"

Does this "ring a bell"? The US claim a right to control global media...

DJ- [url]https://community.defconwarningsystem.com/forums/military-events.6/[/url] or 

and [url]https://twitter.com/Eire_QC/status/1307158249922351105?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwgr%5E393535353b636f6e74726f6c&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.defconwarningsystem.com%2Fthreads%2Fbelarus-close-border-with-poland-ukraine-and-lithuania.14369%2F[/url] or https://twitter.com/Eire_QC/status/1307158249922351105?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwgr%5E393535353b636f6e74726f6c&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.defconwarningsystem.com%2Fthreads%2Fbelarus-close-border-with-poland-ukraine-and-lithuania.14369%2F

shows NATO is preparing to "fill the gap" between the Baltics and Ukraine-preparing for "bringing democracy"to Belarus ? I had a link somewere of EU talks with Belarus "leader of the opposition"-will "the west" use her as an excuse for moving into Belarus ? 

As the defconforum shows (from a US perspective) other frontlines are Persian Gulf, Taiwan Straits, Syria [url]https://www.debka.com/us-reinforcements-push-back-against-russian-drive-into-ne-syria/[/url] or https://www.debka.com/us-reinforcements-push-back-against-russian-drive-into-ne-syria/ etc. With this many tensions/frontlines-(I did not mention the India frontlines with China, Pakistan etc). we may be "much to close for major war" . 

DJ-I see WAR as the biggest risk, that is why I started with it. Without Covid19 maybe things would not be that bad ? Both the US and China have some people claiming Covid19 was man/lab made-even some claim it was spread on purpose. (Pakistan)-Russia-Iran-China are pushing the US from its "only superpower status" and are replacing the US$ as a global currency. That is the reason for conflict-it is most US agression-claiming to be above any law-that is putting the world at risk for a final global war...

-Climate chaos. [url]https://www.rt.com/news/501090-kefalonia-jerusalem-beach-hurricane/[/url] or https://www.rt.com/news/501090-kefalonia-jerusalem-beach-hurricane/ with a twitter link on how Greece had to deal with it's Medi-Cane. Tropical storm Alfa-or the remnants of it- is now moving southern France towards northern Italy/Switzerland. [url]https://www.meteoalarm.eu/ne_NL/0/0/EU-Europa:.html[/url] or https://www.meteoalarm.eu/ne_NL/0/0/EU-Europa:.html  . 

Tropical Storm "Beta" will reach Texas Monday-may bring a lot of rain to the US Gulf Coast-partly already flooded after "Laura". "Teddy" will send waves to the US east coast while moving north towards Canada-coast. 

[url]https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2975.1550.html[/url] or https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2975.1550.html discussion on Arctic Sea Ice wich year had the lowest extent/volume 2012 or 2020 ? (DJ-The quality of the ice in 2020 is much worse than the 2012 sea-ice. We are moving towards a Blue Ocean Event-not far away from massive methane release. Of course with most of the "free press" "embedded" -all news being "political" MSM will ignore most of climate news-focus on dogs reunited with there owner after a hurricane "as quality reporting on climate"...[url]http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/09/nioghalvfjerdsfjorden-big-chunk-of.html[/url] or http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/09/nioghalvfjerdsfjorden-big-chunk-of.html Greenland Ice decreasing..

-The Corona-genocide. Since being totally stupid most of the times does not put you in any government how can it be so many countries mismanage the corona-pandemic ? "Clever people make clever mistakes" and "putting the economy first" or "herd immunity"does not explain the total failure to "get a grip"on the pandemic. Some steps are that easy-closing borders...pandemics are quite common in history...this pandemic was and is man made in the sense most governments did not take simple steps to get a control on spread. 

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-covid-19-outbreak-accelerates-50k-new-cases-reported-france-sees-sudden-jump-deaths[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-covid-19-outbreak-accelerates-50k-new-cases-reported-france-sees-sudden-jump-deaths DJ-One could look at statistics to see who does get killed by Covid19. It is a disease of the urban poor mostly. 

When you look at India-with a 200 million Muslim minority-most likely Muslims are over represented in deaths. In Latin America it is the "Indians" that are poor and die. In the Gulf States one would expect "foreign workers" to be overrepresented (and you do not pay salary to dead workers..) Are in the US most cases in "democratic states" ? 

Of course the WHO failed in its reaction but with the Wuhan lockdown-end of january-all the world did know there was a major problem. Some countries did manage to "limit damage". Partly one reason could be earlier experience with SARS-1, being an island state. Finland is not in "central Europe"-a relative small population and good healthcare. 

DJ-I expect "the worst part" is still to come. What the "Atlantic" calls "magical thinking" -the virus will disappear in the summer, a vaccine will save us, 20% of infected population=herd immunity, makes me wonder how far away we are from the Middle Ages... 

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYJOhIzCIxc[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYJOhIzCIxc  Dr. John Campbell trying to make some sense of the pandemic-with limited means, statistics etc. weekend update.

-Herd immunity not based on anti bodies but on T-cell immunity may be quite high

-To deal with Covid19 a lot of data is needed. In the US you can give data via "ZOE"-not only for yourself but also for "associates" (children, pupils, employees etc)

-20/50% T-cell immunity in several countries against Covid19-via cold/animal virus (do pets offer protection by creating a sort of immunity ? DJ-Would be nice-statistics would show a correlation-it must be possible to see if there is a link fast ! DL-Still the virus does spread, hospital cases/deaths are going up again in many places.) 

Again-as always-I hope I am totally wrong...I "cherry pick"for bad news-while it is all "Okay outside" and it is me living in a "shadow world"...

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I take it all back.  I was wrong.  Trump is not following Hitler's playbook after all;  he is trying to surpass it.

Hitler expected to win the war.  He expected to control the media in Germany first, then everywhere else as country after country fell.

Trump seems to want to command  those things now.

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Techno-History repeats itself but does not copy it...

[url]https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/09/20/634602/Rouhani-cabinet-US-sanctions-pressure-bullying[/url] or https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/09/20/634602/Rouhani-cabinet-US-sanctions-pressure-bullying 

[url]https://www.debka.com/mivzak/the-us-restores-un-arms-embargo-on-iran/[/url] or https://www.debka.com/mivzak/the-us-restores-un-arms-embargo-on-iran/

and [url]https://www.rt.com/news/501187-iran-us-sanctions-un-snapback/[/url] or https://www.rt.com/news/501187-iran-us-sanctions-un-snapback/ 

DJ-Trump's decission to go for full sanctions against Iran as part of "the US view on the Iran-deal" with possible US actions against any Iran export (to Venezuela, China, Turkey) has NO international support. 

US propaganda/wishfull thinking [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/possible-limits-china-russia-cooperation[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/possible-limits-china-russia-cooperation ignores the US being behind IS recruiting jihadi's from Russia, China to use them against PRIC (Pakistan-Russia-Iran-China)-de facto IS/alquaeda is a US proxy war against the PRIC-in their view. (The ZH-article has good comments on "the institure/thinktank"behind it).

Also [url]https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-09-19/Krach-s-visit-to-Taiwan-undermines-peace-across-the-Taiwan-Strait-TUxU2pi3ks/index.html[/url] or https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-09-19/Krach-s-visit-to-Taiwan-undermines-peace-across-the-Taiwan-Strait-TUxU2pi3ks/index.html the US selling modern weapons, making all kind of deals with Taiwan goes against the-since Nixon- "One China policy". The US is getting very near to crossing red lines by providing some weapon systems to Taiwan. 

US troops in the Baltic and Poland, NATO exercises in the Ukraine. UK SAS/Para's near Crimea has to be seen as a provocation by Russia and Belarus. 

Iran is having navy-drills in its waters/international waters-the US moving in risks further escalation/false flags. History is full of claims "the other side started the war"...Some fear a US "october surprise"-meant to bring Trump a fast victory. 

With also Israel-against Iran, Pakistan-India-China tensions "we live in very very dangerous times" (and it does not matter who's side you are on-if things go wrong). 

In my opinion-Dr.J.C. was more optimistic-there may be "very limited" T-cell herd immunity at best against Covid19. Pets may provide some immunity via animal corona infections-not making humans ill but providing some T-cell response against SARS-2. (Pets also great to deal with stress..!) Also [url]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/16/well/live/does-wearing-glasses-protect-you-from-coronavirus.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur[/url] or https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/16/well/live/does-wearing-glasses-protect-you-from-coronavirus.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur Do glasses protect more then earlier believed ? 

The economic damage still has to show itself in full. The november US elections may push Trump towards "drastic action". 

Of course I hope I am wrong-as always...

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The economic damage will not be known until forensic accounting is done after Trump is out of office.  

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WM-I think the economic damage-in a lot of countries-will translate in (extreme) social unrest. 

There is talking on a "new lockdown"for London-UK. Would such a lockdown be wise if that means putting lots of people in overcrowded houses ? Does autumn/winter not in itself mean "to many vulnarable people staying indoors/lack of ventilation"? 

The exact number of the economic damage will remain unknown/unclear (just like what damage hyper-inflation did in Weimar-Germany or Zimbabwe). 

The point is also the US is not only facing economic damage from Covid19-measures-also the de-dollarization, the GLOBAL economy turning away from the US ($) while the FED is creating extreme debts-is pushing the US towards hyperinflation. 

The US may also face an unseen foodcrisis-due to extreme climate change. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R34YThcffPM[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R34YThcffPM Paul Beckwith on "Atmospheric river event in California may wipe out 25% of USA food supply"

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cia_v4vxfE[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cia_v4vxfE B.T.O. You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet-1974

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If the U.S. faces a food crisis due to climate change, so will the rest of the world.  The U.S. is the primary food exporter to the world.  Germany is second, but by less than half of what the U.S. exports.

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WM-"right and wrong"-Like Paul Beckwith pointed out-California is good for a lot of US food production. There have been extreme rain/flooding events in the past and "climate chaos" will increase risks for US food production. 

Due to trade wars China tries to find alternatives for US (food)products. Latin America, Africa, Siberia, Europe, Australia/New Zealand also have a lot to offer. The US may be the largest food exporter (in agriculture (=including flowers) export NL is second NOT Germany ! [url]https://dutchreview.com/news/innovation/second-largest-agriculture-exporter/[/url] or https://dutchreview.com/news/innovation/second-largest-agriculture-exporter/ ) it may be loosing China. Other countries are looking for a market share in Asia. 

The African Swine Flu (US-bioweapon-some claim in China-it does not need to be the truth-there is a propaganda war going on) did kill over 50% (?) of China pork. China will keep doing bussiness with the US "out of necesity" but is trying to get less dependent of US food production (and at the same time get food production for China in other countries under China control). 

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However, the factor your argument is missing is that climate change is global.  If the U.S. food production is impacted, so goes the rest of the world.  I maintain it is not simply a U.S. issue.  But if the U.S. goes first, those who can pay for food will.  Those that can't will starve.  

Six of one, half dozen of another, DJ.  

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I am old, disabled and tired.  Hubby is older, sick, disabled and tired.  We are working like dogs every day.  No, we are not massochists.  We are building fruit cages, walled gardens, raised beds, polytunnels, cold frames and greenhouses.

Why?  Because you are spot on, and we will not be among those who starve.

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I feel you, Technophobe.  It's among the reasons my niece feels such urgency to put her plan in action.  

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Smart girl!

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