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    Posted: October 16 2020 at 3:21pm

BBC News - Covid-19: Is Sweden getting it right?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54561201

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Sweden had been going along with a steady but low level of deaths, when other parts of Europe (France, Spain, UK etc) stated to explode so I was beginning to wonder if their approach was finally paying off.  But the last couple of days has seen Sweden's figures start to rise, so maybe my sense was too early.   Now we will have to wait to see if Sweden can keep its numbers down when other places have rapidly rising numbers.


If Sweden can avoid a serious "Second Wave" then overall its stratagy might have worked, but it did very badly in the "First Wave".  

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ABC News: Australian expats in Sweden share what life is like under the country's unconventional pandemic approach.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-18/australian-expats-life-in-sweden-during-covid-19/12759732

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So far deaths way down though.

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Interesting that the Aussies living there say Sweden's strategy wouldn't work in Australia.....

Different folks....

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Different countries/geography.............

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Well Carbon, if Australia would have followed the Swedish patterns of death then your death toll would be near 15,000 instead of 904.

On the other hand if USA had followed Sweden there would have been about 31,000 fewer deaths there.  


Looking at the graphs, I can't help wonder if the lack of protection for old folks meant that most of the vulnerable people where hit, and died,  in the early first wave.    Clearly this was ethically a bad move.  We are too early into the second wave to see if Sweden will avoid another spike in deaths.   IF Sweden can avoid a second spike then one needs to look at the ethical dilemma of will letting people die early to prevent a larger number of deaths in the long run.  

Of course if one is to do comparisons then the best would be to compare Sweden with Norway - same geographical area, similar ethnic mix. similar economies and social structures, but different approaches to the coronavirus.  

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[url]https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/[/url] or https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/ ;

The Swedish COVID-19 experiment of not implementing early and strong measures to safeguard the population has been hotly debated around the world, but at this point we can predict it is almost certain to result in a net failure in terms of death and suffering. As of Oct. 13, Sweden’s per capita death rate is 58.4 per 100,000 people, according to Johns Hopkins University data, 12th highest in the world (not including tiny Andorra and San Marino). But perhaps more striking are the findings of a study published Oct. 12 in the Journal of the American Medical Association, which pointed out that, of the countries the researchers investigated, Sweden and the U.S. essentially make up a category of two: they are the only countries with high overall mortality rates that have failed to rapidly reduce those numbers as the pandemic has progressed.

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There are cultural differences between U.S. and Sweden which underscores why U.S. numbers are much higher.   For example, Swedes aren't a huggy kissy lot.  It's just not done.   Social distancing didn't seem to be an issue either. In addition, my cousins in Sweden say that authorities went far further to protect its vulnerable population from the beginning of all this than the U.S.  I'd also like to add that as a socialistic democracy, their population doesn't worry about the cost of healthcare as it is free.

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