Click to Translate to English Click to Translate to French  Click to Translate to Spanish  Click to Translate to German  Click to Translate to Italian  Click to Translate to Japanese  Click to Translate to Chinese Simplified  Click to Translate to Korean  Click to Translate to Arabic  Click to Translate to Russian  Click to Translate to Portuguese  Click to Translate to Myanmar (Burmese)

PANDEMIC ALERT LEVEL
123456
Forum Home Forum Home > Main Forums > General Discussion
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Sweden's Success Is Kryptonite
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Online Discussion: Tracking new emerging diseases and the next pandemic since 2005; Coronavirus COVID-19 Pandemic Discussion Forum.

Sweden's Success Is Kryptonite

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Message
AI View Drop Down
Adviser Group
Adviser Group


Joined: January 21 2020
Status: Offline
Points: 7565
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Sweden's Success Is Kryptonite
    Posted: August 11 2020 at 11:07am

Sweden's Success Is Kryptonite For Lockdown And Mask Advocates

Here in the United States, we have become inundated with tales of COVID-19 doom and gloom. In America, the mainstream narrative is rife with hopelessness. We are told that there is simply no way to stop this virus without repetitive lockdowns, healthy quarantine, even of asymptomatic individuals, and universal mask mandates. And even with all of those extreme policy measures put in place, the politicians and public health officials tell us that we will have to wait for a vaccine for the country to even think about our “new normal” following the COVID-19 pandemic.

There’s one country that they don’t seem to want to talk about - Sweden. And for good reason. Sweden debunks the hysteria.

Sweden shows how unnecessary all of the interventions to “fight” the virus are.

In Sweden, there’s no mandatory masks, no mandatory lockdown, no vaccine, and most importantly, no problem.

Life has largely returned to normal in Sweden, and it all happened without the economy-destroying non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPI) demanded by the “public health expert” class, who guaranteed that chaos would come to every country that disobeyed their commands to hit the self-destruct button for their nations.

The Swedish government has provided its advanced metrics on the COVID-19 pandemic to the public, and the data includes the ever-important statistics on actual day of death, and other useful information.


In August, Sweden has registered just one death (!) with/from the coronavirus. Yes, you read that correctly. One death so far. 

For the month of July, Sweden reported 226 deaths. They’ve accounted for 805 June deaths, 1646 in May, and 2572 in April. The deaths attributed to COVID-19 went from about a 50% reduction to falling off of a cliff.

The story is the same in the hospitals. COVID-19 is hardly registering as a blip on the radar. Sweden has reported just 4 new COVID-19 patients in their ICUs in August. The month of July saw only 52 COVID-19 patients in ICUs.


It doesn’t take a math whiz to come to the conclusion that the epidemic appears to have been wrapped up in Sweden for months. It’s unclear whether this is a result of having achieved the herd immunity threshold, or if the seasonality of the virus is providing indefinite relief. But it’s become absolutely clear that Sweden’s long term pandemic strategy is working.

Sweden did not do everything perfectly. Stockholm, like much of the West, failed to protect its nursing home population. The majority of the COVID-19 deaths in Sweden have come from the senior care population, with the average age of death (82) being the same as the average lifespan in the country. But remember, people in nursing homes are not mobile. They live in their own ecosystems and are not particularly impacted by COVID-19 policies. It was Sweden’s general population that was supposed to be plagued by their open society model to respond to the virus. We were told that the hospitals would be overrun, and that bodies of all ages would be dropping in the streets. This dystopian pandemia projection never came to fruition. Even during the worst months of the pandemic, Sweden’s general population never pressed their healthcare system. The same is true in the United States, but for whatever reason, many U.S. officials and “public health experts” have pushed the idea that everyone is equally impacted, which could not be further from the truth.

For this pandemic, the global public health expert class threw the pandemic playbook out the window, disregarding hundreds of years of proven science on herd immunity, in order to attempt to assert human control over a submicroscopic infectious particle. It hasn’t worked, to say the least. There is no evidence anywhere in the world that lockdowns or masks have *stopped* the spread of the virus. Sweden was one of the few places where cooler heads prevailed, and the scientists realized that attempts to stop the virus would be worse than the disease itself, in the form of economic and social ruin.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/swedens-success-kryptonite-lockdown-and-mask-advocates

“Facts don't care about your feelings.”
― Ben Shapiro
Back to Top
Dutch Josh View Drop Down
V.I.P. Member
V.I.P. Member


Joined: May 01 2013
Location: Arnhem-Netherla
Status: Offline
Points: 45467
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Dutch Josh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2020 at 9:46pm

DJ-It would be very good news if it was correct. Just looking at [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/url] Sweden is #22 in cases per million-with 8225 cases per million people-above Colombia, Belarus and Spain-but indeed below for example the US-that has 16.019 cases per million and a lot of half NPI. NL has 3499 cases per million. 

Looking at deaths-Sweden is at #8 with 571 deaths per million-5 new deaths being reported yesterday. The US has 506 deaths per million of the population. 

Another point is that the differences between Sweden and many other countries may not be that major. Lots of countries did see rules that were often ignored by the population. Often rules came after the outbreaks. 

At best one may hope Sweden's approach would show long-term benefits-it is to early to say. 

[url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/[/url] Is there a schema in reporting cases/deaths-lots of countries switched from daily updates to once/twice a week giving full updates. 

"Herd immunity" may be an illusion-with protection of antibodies or T-cells maybe only effective for months-not years. In most of Europe cases are going up again-Sweden may profit from being seen as a high-risk country-less tourism may mean less cases. 

We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein
Back to Top
EdwinSm, View Drop Down
Adviser Group
Adviser Group


Joined: April 03 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 17545
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote EdwinSm, Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2020 at 2:18am

Originally posted by Dutch Josh Dutch Josh wrote:

At best one may hope Sweden's approach would show long-term benefits-it is to early to say.

I agree that it is far too early to say that Sweden's approach has been a success.  Compared with its neighbours it currently looks like it has been a disaster.   


When looking at Sweden I think it is honest to compare what happens there with the neighbouring countries, which share a similar climate / geographical area, similar population mix and similar social patterns.   It is this similarity that makes this such an interesting case study.  I also will include Germany as Sweden has good trade links with that country [Data from 11th August 2020 from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries ]

                       Cases / million         Deaths / million


Denmark              5,582                        107

Finland                 1,376                          60

Norway                 1,797                          47

Sweden                8,225                        571

Germany               2,619                       111


There is a significant difference in the results to date between those countries that locked down and Sweden. 

As Covid-19 cases seem to be picking up a little I think we will have to wait until we see how, what is being called in the press, the second wave unfolds (ie has Sweden got enough herd immunity so that that other countries start to show results closer to those of Sweden?)

Back to Top
AI View Drop Down
Adviser Group
Adviser Group


Joined: January 21 2020
Status: Offline
Points: 7565
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2020 at 9:33am

And yet clearly Sweden's data regarding ICU admissions and overall daily cases of the virus continues to show ever steady declines despite them not enacting evasive COVID measures. The same can not be said for the vast majority of countries who did. 

1991 swedes have died of CoVid out of a population of 10,099,265 equaling .0197% of the total population. 


“Facts don't care about your feelings.”
― Ben Shapiro
Back to Top
Little House View Drop Down
V.I.P. Member
V.I.P. Member


Joined: February 13 2020
Location: Ohio
Status: Offline
Points: 1325
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Little House Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2020 at 10:12am

Originally posted by AI AI wrote:

And yet clearly Sweden's data regarding ICU admissions and overall daily cases of the virus continues to show ever steady declines despite them not enacting evasive COVID measures. The same can not be said for the vast majority of countries who did. 

1991 swedes have died of CoVid out of a population of 10,099,265 equaling .0197% of the total population. 


Not sure where you got the 1991 number.  If you add the deaths listed in the article, you get 5,249 deaths.  That means 0.05% of the population has died.  Still a very small number, but more than twice your 0.02%.  (Yes, I rounded.)

Back to Top
AI View Drop Down
Adviser Group
Adviser Group


Joined: January 21 2020
Status: Offline
Points: 7565
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2020 at 10:18am

Originally posted by Little House Little House wrote:

Originally posted by AI AI wrote:

And yet clearly Sweden's data regarding ICU admissions and overall daily cases of the virus continues to show ever steady declines despite them not enacting evasive COVID measures. The same can not be said for the vast majority of countries who did. 

1991 swedes have died of CoVid out of a population of 10,099,265 equaling .0197% of the total population. 


Not sure where you got the 1991 number.  If you add the deaths listed in the article, you get 5,249 deaths.  That means 0.05% of the population has died.  Still a very small number, but more than twice your 0.02%.  (Yes, I rounded.)

LOL yep my mistake, you are correct, I was mistakenly looking at Switzerland's number instead of Sweden's on John Hopkins https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html. Swedens 5774 covid deaths out of 10,099,265 =.057%

“Facts don't care about your feelings.”
― Ben Shapiro
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down