The barrington declaration

The barrington declaration 

How come Biden and CDC-continue - to ignore the millions who have HAD the very disease they insisting we vaccinate for is so strange. My son has heart defect, although he is healthy, still has defect, I asked our cardiologist today at annual visit if he should get shot.  I explained the symptoms he had when we suspect he had covid in dec and my concerns and asked if he should get he shot.  I expected the answer I am getting everywhere else, and wildly to my surprise, with a big sigh, he said no.  He said he is supposed to just tell us to get the vaccine and that he could lose his license for saying anything else but we are his patient and can’t go against his conscience. Also mentioned how first time in history the guidance is opting for an experimental vaccine over natural immunity.  I felt truly sorry for the doctor who felt compelled to risk himself, carrying heavy burden.  But was such a relief and sign of hope for me to hear  what my gut has been telling me from his trusted medical professional experience.  I am sad for the number of people who will lose their jobs because they are standing up for their beliefs.  I thank goodness for the vaccine for anyone who was at risk or elderly or wanted it but it should not be forced down anyone who doesn’t want it, whatever their profession.

carbon20 wrote: The first successful demonstration of a polio vaccine was by Hilary Koprowski in 1950, with a live attenuated virus which people drank.[9] The vaccine was not approved for use in the United States, but was used successfully elsewhere.[9] The success of an inactivated (killed) polio vaccine, developed by Jonas Salk, was announced in 1955.[2][10] Another attenuated live oral polio vaccine was developed by Albert Sabin and came into commercial use in 1961.[2][11]

What point are you trying to make Carbon? You seem to have completely ignored Raddy's post.

Raddy5 wrote: The barrington declaration  How come Biden and CDC-continue - to ignore the millions who have HAD the very disease they insisting we vaccinate for is so strange. My son has heart defect, although he is healthy, still has defect, I asked our cardiologist today at annual visit if he should get shot.  I explained the symptoms he had when we suspect he had covid in dec and my concerns and asked if he should get he shot.  I expected the answer I am getting everywhere else, and wildly to my surprise, with a big sigh, he said no.  He said he is supposed to just tell us to get the vaccine and that he could lose his license for saying anything else but we are his patient and can’t go against his conscience. Also mentioned how first time in history the guidance is opting for an experimental vaccine over natural immunity.  I felt truly sorry for the doctor who felt compelled to risk himself, carrying heavy burden.  But was such a relief and sign of hope for me to hear  what my gut has been telling me from his trusted medical professional experience.  I am sad for the number of people who will lose their jobs because they are standing up for their beliefs.  I thank goodness for the vaccine for anyone who was at risk or elderly or wanted it but it should not be forced down anyone who doesn’t want it, whatever their profession.

I couldn't agree with you more Raddy5. Thank you for posting that. The data out of Israel - one of the most vaccinated countries on earth - a country that was being held high as a poster boy for the vaccines, and a country that has shown excellent scientific reporting of the effects of both Covid and the vaccines. They appear to be one of the very few countries on Earth that is reporting honestly and without an apparent agenda. While their reports were supporting the use of a vaccine for all, they were being widely quoted in mainstream media and by other governments around the world, but this latest report which confirms what some of their earlier findings were suggesting, is now being conveniently ignored by those (and I include people on here) who will only accept the narrative of universal vaccines for all. 

Israel is showing, through good scientific reporting that natural immunity is the better option. Personally I think the vaccines are great for the weak and the elderly and for anyone else who is extremely vulnerable, but not for children or younger adults or people who are slim, fit and have no underlying health issues. But you try even suggesting that on here and you are accused of being an anti vaxxer. It's ridiculous. 

I can't see any benefit to society in forcing everyone to have the shot, other than to the economy. More shots equal more jobs for hcw, more profits and therefore more taxes to be paid by the bigpharma companies, and by controlling a population through mandated mask wearing, social distancing, it creates jobs. The added benefit is that it also incrementally removes personal liberties and makes a population more compliant. 

I will repeat yet again, for the plain stupid and the hard of hearing, it has been proven that the vaccines do not prevent you from catching Covid, they do not lower your viral load once you have Covid, and they do not stop you from giving Covid to other people. What they do do is to dramatically reduce your chances of death from Covid or a very severe illness which in turn, helps to ease the load on the health care system. 

So the vaccines, in my opinion, are a great idea for the elderly or sick, but for children or healthy people who are most likely to have a very mild illness, then why administer a medical treatment that they don't need? Why not let them get it and develop a stronger immune system?

Every time I say this people start saying that more children are getting sick and dying. Well yes, I'm sure they are. Have  you seen how many fat and unfit children there are out there? Obesity is known to be a factor in severe cases. 

Trying to discuss any other opinion other than the "good citizen's" narrative of everyone must be vaccinated is like bashing your head against a brick wall.

Martin Kulldorff is a crackpot….

Who Are the Scientists Behind the Great Barrington Declaration?

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89204

Martin Kulldorff, PhD

Kulldorff is a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School and Brigham & Women's Hospital who develops epidemiological and statistical models to detect infectious disease outbreaks. The epidemiologist has repeatedly said that restrictions for young and healthy people are unwarranted, as the risk of COVID-19 mortality is a thousand times higher for the elderly than it is for youth.

"While this is a very dangerous disease for the elderly, for children it's much less dangerous than the annual flu," Kulldorff said in an August interview with Contagion Live. "And for people in their 20s and 30s, it's not a dangerous disease at all."

Kulldorff has criticized public health measures, including widespread testing of asymptomatic patients. In a Wall Street Journal commentary (which he co-wrote with Bhattacharya), Kulldorff stated that "there is little purpose in using tests to check asymptomatic children to see if it is safe for them to come to school," as more positive tests would only encourage more school closures and deprive children of their education. His commentary was written after CDC guidelines stated some asymptomatic patients may not need to be tested -- but those recommendations were later reversed.

"Testing is intended to save lives, not to detect asymptomatic people who are otherwise healthy," Kulldorff and Bhattacharya wrote. "With the new CDC guidelines, strategic age-targeted viral testing will protect older people from deadly COVID-19 exposure and children and young adults from needless school closures."

Kulldorff also sought to refute 98 Stanford scientists who criticized Atlas's recommendations to allow young people to resume normal activities, stating that their letter "ignores collateral damage caused by lockdowns."

I don’t interpret barrington saying anything but let’s be willing to makes adjustments.  Recognize that since Jan of 2020, 21 months ago, millions have had the disease.  

Count infected in with the vaccinated. 

The vaccine is not the save all end all answer.  The narrative needs to change!

Anyone ever seen movie Idiocracy?  Bad movie, but some laughs.  Sometimes I relate this  vaccine push to how in the movie they couldn’t figure out why crops weren’t growing anymore, they stopped using water and only used Gatorade because Gatorade was sponsor for everything and had more electrolytes than water.   

Do we know  the long term  effects of having Covid........

I had shingles  not long ago..........

Had chicken  pox when I was 11ys...!!!!!!!!!!

https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/127/11/2491/342665

Not proven  but I'd rather have a  vaccine........