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    Posted: March 14 2020 at 3:22pm

The real event is Influenza Pandemic - H5N1 and or H7N9.


Those puppies are one gene tweak from being Human Vuruses.


Flu is more infectious that Covid-19 and the Case Mortality Rates are 60% and 30% respectively.


And as you can see with this current Pandemic - there is nothing the governments can do.


The Pandemic Flu is coming folks - get ready for it.

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Agree with you the Matey......

If this was H5N1 

See the panic then....

Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖

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Not sure Italy or Spain are feeling the same way, but...I agree that a novel flu (or even a better adapted coronavirus) could be worse. Honestly though - his is bad enough for me right now.

For me, it was never about the virus anyway - it was the way we'd handle it (badly) and the ensuing chaos and panic. This virus has brought all those to the party so far.


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Has anyone seen the stats out of France?  A new strain is taking out the under 30 group!!!

I had heard this also from a relative who is an ER doc in Sidney Australia 

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Originally posted by Usk Usk wrote:

Has anyone seen the stats out of France?  A new strain is taking out the under 30 group!!!

I had heard this also from a relative who is an ER doc in Sidney Australia 



I can't post what I just said out loud reading your post, Usk.  

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I think I am going to start crying and not be able to stop. I thought my kids and grand kids would be safe

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How can I get the translation up on YouTube?

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Can someone tell me about the under 30!!!!  My son is 26.  I.can’t get a translation HELP!  Some one said on the link it is killing young fat people.  Is that true?  My son is thin.  

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Ok, the most important thing is the factors that can create risk. 

Is the person below 60 ?

Is the person otherwise healthy ? 

Risk factors in favor of complications 

Is the person over 60 ?

Is the person disabled ?

Does the person have another disease ? 

Is the person obese or diabetic ?

Does the person have lung issues ?  

Does the person havec heart issues ? 

Does the person have high blood pressue ?   

If you or your loved pne has 2 or more of these factors, I would be worried.  


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The woman who posted this on Linked in is an advisor to the WHO, the U.N., and the U.S. Government. So whether or not she is trustworthy, I have no idea. I will leave you to make your own judgments.
As for me, I find this is terrifying. Especially considering that the brood of demonic vipers that run the world were losing their grip. Trump, Boris Johnson, Brexit, the rise of conservatism in numerous places. This is terrifying.

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FRIENDS,

The following compelling information was shared to me by a medical professional. It indicates that COVID-19 is a man made virus. If so, this information is hopeful. Why? Because the scientists who created this virus understand it and their knowledge of the virus can be used to defend us from this pandemic. I thank the dedicated health professional who did this research and shared it with me.

To note: I did a fact check on the main points and they are accurate. I have no PROOF of this theory, only compelling information.


"The first order of battling this virus pandemic is to understand the origin of Covid-19. In its birth, many answers about its behavior can be found. The BIG problem is that the origins of this current virus very likely raise highly embarrassing disclosures for the US and China, which is why I suspect it is being unreported in the media and by our government officials.
We in medicine were always fearful the naturally evolved H5N1 bird flu would be THE pandemic threatening human existence one day due to its alarming mortality rate even among healthy people. All the H5N1 needed was to evolve a highly efficient protein spike on its surface that rapidly attaches to human cells so it could be efficiently spread from human to human.
Not coincidentally, this spike would look very much like the one that UNC researchers (Baric et al) attached to the horseshoe bat Corona virus in their lab as described in their 2015 article in the journal Nature (see below). If this was to occur in the H5N1 virus, we would have a highly contagious form of H5N1 virus with a 60% mortality rate that would decimate the human species.
Though there may have been legitimate immunology research reasons for why Ralph Baric’s lab created a novel, highly infectious Corona/SARS hybrid virus for research purposes as published in their 2015 Nature Medicine article, many well respected worldwide research institution heads were quite unsettled by it. (See the commentary written about the 2015 Nature article below).
Subsequently, it seems reasonable to presume that University of North Carolina's (UNC) “method of hybrid virus creation” intellectual property was copied by one of Baric’s Chinese co-authors, researcher Shi Zhengli. Shi Zhengli was referred to in the 2015 Nature article as a leader at the “Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China”. That lab is one of the world’s dozen or so Bio-level 4 research facilities that are approved to handle the world’s most deadly of pathogens.
Unfortunately, the Wuhan Bio-level 4 lab has had a dismal safety record even before this recent COVID event, having suffered two previous documented escapes of the SARS virus from their lab into the local community. Fortunately the SARS virus that escaped was not a particular good contagion for human to human transmission.
It seems highly logical to assume that Ms. Shi Zhengli’s team likely inserted the same or an extremely similar infectious spike from the lethal SARS virus into the Corona bat virus just as UNC had designed, but without appropriate lab protections or common sense that UNC demonstrated.
Interestingly, the identification of this previously described unnatural infectious spike on the COVID-19 virus samples obtained from early infected humans was confirmed by an Indian biotech lab shortly after the recent outbreak. They stated they performed their analysis through reverse engineering of the COVID-19 DNA. The Indian lab’s e-published findings were roundly condemned and dismissed only by the US and China; and the Indian laboratory was ultimately “forced” to take their research paper off the internet!
Subsequently, the same Chinese doctor (Shi Zhengli aka Zhengli-Li Shi) published in Nature once again in January of this year about a “novel” and “never been seen before in humans” virus emerging in the population of Wuhan. Her 2020 Nature article describes a corona virus with a SARS spike on its viral coat, making it infectious to humans.
There is a high likelihood that COVID-19 is a bioengineered “escaped” virus. Who better knows this virus’s behavior than the scientists involved in their development (Baric and Zhengli)? We need transparency now!
To continue to deny the likely possibility that COVID-19 is man-made seems silly when armed with knowledge accessible in the science literature, and by paying attention to the reported details of the outbreak! In particular:
- The initially infected Wuhan area patients had absolutely no associations with the “wet” animal market.
- Reportedly, the Chinese do not eat this type of bat or sell them at the market.
- Additionally, the bat species that carries the non-human COVID version of bat corona virus was in hibernation at the epidemic outbreak.
- Lastly, the Chinese military took over the Wuhan Bio-level 4 lab at the beginning of the outbreak.
What do we know so far?
- This unexpected pandemic is caused by a bat virus that has a SARS virus spike attached, a spike which specifically binds to the human ACE-2 receptor, a cellular receptor prevalent in human lung tissues, not in bats.
- This is the same spike placed on Baric’s and Zhingli’s creations to greatly enhance human cell infectivity and thus contagiousness..
In 2015 scientists were alarmed about the ramifications of the research described by Baric in the 2015 publication in Nature Medicine journal as published below:
www.the-scientist.com/...
"Lab-Made Coronavirus Triggers Debate
The creation of a chimeric SARS-like virus has scientists discussing the risks of gain-of-function research. By Jef Akst Nov 16, 2015
Ralph Baric, an infectious-disease researcher at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, last week (November 9) published a study on his team’s efforts to engineer a virus with the surface protein of the SHC014 coronavirus, found in horseshoe bats in China, and the backbone of one that causes human-like severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in mice. The hybrid virus could infect human airway cells and caused disease in mice, according to the team’s results, which were published in Nature Medicine.
The results demonstrate the ability of the SHC014 surface protein to bind and infect human cells, validating concerns that this virus—or other coronaviruses found in bat species—may be capable of making the leap to people without first evolving in an intermediate host, Nature reported. They also reignite a debate about whether that information justifies the risk of such work, known as gain-of-function research. “If the [new] virus escaped, nobody could predict the trajectory,” Simon Wain-Hobson, a virologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, told Nature.
In October 2013, the US government put a stop to all federal funding for gain-of-function studies, with particular concern rising about influenza, SARS, and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS). “NIH [National Institutes of Health] has funded such studies because they help define the fundamental nature of human-pathogen interactions, enable the assessment of the pandemic potential of emerging infectious agents, and inform public health and preparedness efforts,” NIH Director Francis Collins said in a statement at the time. “These studies, however, also entail biosafety and biosecurity risks, which need to be understood better.”
Baric’s study on the SHC014-chimeric coronavirus began before the moratorium was announced, and the NIH allowed it to proceed during a review process, which eventually led to the conclusion that the work did not fall under the new restrictions, Baric told Nature. But some researchers, like Wain-Hobson, disagree with that decision.
The debate comes down to how informative the results are. “The only impact of this work is the creation, in a lab, of a new, non-natural risk,” Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist and biodefence expert at Rutgers University, told Nature.
But Baric and others argued the study’s importance. “[The results] move this virus from a candidate emerging pathogen to a clear and present danger,” Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance, which samples viruses from animals and people in emerging-diseases hotspots across the globe, told Nature."
Please stay safe and protect yourselves
Faithfully,
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Thank you. ME 163

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I guess. Not trying to scare anyone. I just have to wonder about a couple things. 

1.Why are we creating viruses to do "gain of function" testing? Shouldn't that be done on viruses that are known to already exist? 

2. Why did the Obama administration stop funding such research on viruses we know already existed and posed a grave risk to public health, the global economy, etc? 

I applaud the brains of the people who can create such things, but by the same token, it is stupid and irresponsible to create a potential frankenstein, especially with the Chinese who have had designs on being the kings of the world for decades. SMH....


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You're going to need to link me to a credible news source on #2, Easy.  I only remember him calling for more funding which was denied.   There is a lot to criticize Obama about, but this kind of funding isn't one of them.  Besides.. I hate fake news!

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https://www.the-scientist.com/the-nutshell/moratorium-on-gain-of-function-research-36564 


Looks to me like the directive came from the White House. 

It looks to me like they should have told the people playing God with these viruses to stop, and continued research on naturally occurring viruses, but they just stopped funding it all together. 

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Obama's administration did put a moratorium on gain of function research in 2017, the scientific community lauded this as the right move.  It followed a series of dangerous leaks of pathogens.

It was re-instated in 2017 under Trump's administration.

Which of the two is right still has to be shown.

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it's stupid regardless of who does it.

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Originally posted by FluMom FluMom wrote:

Can someone tell me about the under 30!!!!  My son is 26.  I.can’t get a translation HELP!  Some one said on the link it is killing young fat people.  Is that true?  My son is thin.  

FluMom, don't freak out.  There is a LOT of bad information on the web.  I'm in touch with the leading experts and have heard nothing about a "new strain" that is "killing the young." 

Young people can, and do, get this illness, and some have serious outcomes.  Medical science is not sure what is going on, some postulate that older folks like us have more damaged lung tissue from years of exposure to tobacco smoke, pollution etc.  

If something comes up like a mutation, I'll hear about it before any newspaper or blogger.  I promise to let you know, for now, we should all be staying at home as much as possible, avoiding crowds, and conserving our resources.  

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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

Obama's administration did put a moratorium on gain of function research in 2017, the scientific community lauded this as the right move.  It followed a series of dangerous leaks of pathogens.

It was re-instated in 2017 under Trump's administration.

Which of the two is right still has to be shown.

I'm one of the scientists who was a signatory to the Cambridge Group working document to forbid dangerous "gain of function" (GOF) experimentation, please see:  

http://www.cambridgeworkinggroup.org/



GOF has nothing at all to do with his SARS-CoV2 pandemic.  Certain scientists noodle around with dangerous pathogens such as H5N1 or H7N9 influenza, to see what mutations might make them more dangerous.  This is horribly unsafe, as even BSL 4 labs have had accidents and release of agents. 


After the events of 9/11, the Bush administration instituted many preparedness plans for bioterrorism and pandemic influenza.  The Obama administration left these largely intact, and even bolstered them after experience with Ebola. 


Trump administration took a meat-axe to preparedness budgets and personnel, dismantling our NSC pandemic response infrastructure and other public health funding to free up funds for his wall and other pet projects.   This is his outbreak, and he's blowing it badly. 

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Thanks for straightening that out, CRS

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I could see you blaming China , but don't understand the Trump hate.  

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I agree so many hate Trump...he has done a good job of getting the country to shut down and keeping as many people out as he can.  YES, we know the CDC screwed up the tests but that is not Trump's fault .  He is trying to get testing back on track!  I wish everyone would stop the kickers in their posts in hating Trump.

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Actually... as Chief Executive... he's in charge of the CDC ...  

I know you hate it when people get on about Trump. And I hope you see his handling of all this from the beginning is the reason why. Is Trump responsible for the virus? Of course not! Is he responsible for the mishandling of all this in the U.S. Hmmmm ... yeah.

Just like deBlasio is responsible for mishandling some things in New York City.  I'm on about him too!  And he's a Democrat!   

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I think Trump is doing an excellent job and I read that the budget was not cut as congress restored it. Besides the budget, I don’t understand how the CDC was unprepared for this. I’ve seen enough virus movies to know what to do! Why didn’t they have enough PPE’s stockpiled, how could they not know they would need millions of testing kits, thus knowing that the existing platform or methods would not work. Why didn’t they anticipate that the FDA regulations would slow things down. All of these things and more should have come up in their preparedness tests, drills or dry runs!

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Well, I think he is doing a crap job.  Mind you, It's better than our government is currently doing.

Irrespective of how well or badly either of them do, no one can stop the wu.  The best we can hope for is a slight lowering of the death/infection rates.  


Look after yourselves folks, no one else will.

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Trump has denied this was a problem from day one. That’s easily verifiable - every time he downplayed it at a rally or press conference is on video. We lost at least six weeks lead time because he wouldn’t accept the advice of his experts. Italy was more prepared and they’re getting their butts kicked. Instead of being ahead of the curve, we’re playing catch up now. This is a monumental failure.

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Originally posted by kaye kaye kaye kaye wrote:

I could see you blaming China , but don't understand the Trump hate.  

Let me count the ways: 

a) Trump has diverted valuable US funds to his worthless projects like border walls, which do nothing for US security.  

b) Trump initiated a punishing trade war which weakened US agriculture and manufacturing, and threatens to put China, a valuable trade partner, into a deep recession or depression (the virus just pushes them over the edge). 

c) Trump dismantled the NSC international pandemic response group since he thought it was Obama's, didn't understand why we needed it, and is generally opposed to any public health spending.https://apnews.com/ce014d94b64e98b7203b873e56f80e9a

d)  When the SARSCoV2 epidemic broke out in China, he minimized it and lost valuable time, eventually curtailing Chinese travel (a good move), but then wasting the advantage by posturing and bumbling with his economic team like Larry Kudlow ("We don't actually know what the magnitude of the virus is going to be, although frankly, so far, it looks relatively contained," Kudlow told CNBC on Friday. "The vast majority of Americans are not at risk of this virus.")  https://theweek.com/speedreads/900423/white-house-economic-adviser-larry-kudlow-claims-coronavirus-contained-says-americans-should-stay-work

e)  Trump has, at various times, told complete lies about the outbreak and provided us with his brilliant, non-scientific hunches:  “The virus that we’re talking about having to do, a lot of people think that goes away in April, with the heat, as the heat comes in, typically that will go away in April,” Trump repeated later to a group of governors.https://ccdd.hsph.harvard.edu/will-covid-19-go-away-on-its-own-in-warmer-weather/

....other than that, I think he's a peach.




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That’s your opinion. I am more interested in the failing of the CDC. Care to take a crack at my questions?

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Nothing Chuck said is opinion. Anyone can fact check what he said if they choose to. Every agency that could have made a difference was hamstrung by Trump from the beginning. The buck stops with him.
While you were prepping, Trump was essentially telling you not to. If you’d listened, you’d be completely unprepared for the mess we’re about to find ourselves in.

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Has this become the TDS infection thread LOL

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You’re right, I’m prepared because of the important info shared on this site and that’s why I come here,  not for political commentary. Let’s face it, no one was prepared for this and no one would be doing a better job. It seems that the CDC was ill prepared and that would have happened regardless of who is President.

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Originally posted by JellyMama JellyMama wrote:

You’re right, I’m prepared because of the important info shared on this site and that’s why I come here,  not for political commentary. Let’s face it, no one was prepared for this and no one would be doing a better job. It seems that the CDC was ill prepared and that would have happened regardless of who is President.

Maybe so, but let's face it, Trump did nothing at all to help. In fact, he dragged his heels and did everything he could to divert attention away from the virus. As Jacksdad and Chuck said, he wasted 6 valuable weeks. If only he had taken it seriously instead of being so blase about it, the USA would be in a much stronger position today than it actually is. As you stand, you are playing catch up on a major scale and this thing is running away from you. Not testing does not mean that you don't have it. It just means that you can't see your enemy. If you can't see it, then you can't fight it.

Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.
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Trump is facing a virus made in China with the name of a Mexican beer

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In defence of Trump, most leaders have not done much better.  He has done three things which will make the pandemic harder:

1, he gutted the CDC, you can't blame them for messing up when he cut their funding so deeply,

2, he downplayed the virus at the beginning,

3, he took money out of public health in general,  (If homeless Fred down the road dies of it, YOU in your ivory tower are more likely to get it.)

But he has been on a steep learning curve.  Our glorious leaders started out much better, but they are doing worse now.  So yes, he will have cost many lives, but he is not the only donkey leading lions.

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Originally posted by JellyMama JellyMama wrote:

That’s your opinion. I am more interested in the failing of the CDC. Care to take a crack at my questions?

CDC is under HHS.  HHS is headed by Trump nominee (Azar who is a former lobbyist for big Pharma.)  Trump cut budgets to both HHS and CDC.  Trump fired the entire CDC  pandemic response team in 2018 and never replaced them.  

Ultimately a corporation is only as good as it's chief administrator.  A chief administrator is only as good as those to whom he delegates.  Trump is the chief administrator of the U.S.  Ultimately it's in his control to succeed or fail.  I'd call this a fail.  

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https://twitter.com/ChinaInFocusNTD/status/1235791817242742784


Like I said China is the one to be disgusted with,  I believe the President has our best interest in mind.  

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Tim Morrison is a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and former senior director for counterproliferation and biodefense on the National Security Council.

President Trump gets his share of criticism — some warranted, much not. But recently the president’s critics have chosen curious ground to question his response to the coronavirus outbreak since it began spreading from Wuhan, China, in December.

It has been alleged by multiple officials of the Obama administration, including in The Post, that the president and his then-national security adviser, John Bolton, “dissolved the office” at the White House in charge of pandemic preparedness. Because I led the very directorate assigned that mission, the counterproliferation and biodefense office, for a year and then handed it off to another official who still holds the post, I know the charge is specious.


Now, I’m not naive. This is Washington. It’s an election year. Officials out of power want back into power after November. But the middle of a worldwide health emergency is not the time to be making tendentious accusations.

When I joined the National Security Council staff in 2018, I inherited a strong and skilled staff in the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate. This team of national experts together drafted the National Biodefense Strategy of 2018 and an accompanying national security presidential memorandum to implement it; an executive order to modernize influenza vaccines; and coordinated the United States’ response to the Ebola epidemic in Congo, which was ultimately defeated in 2020.

It is true that the Trump administration has seen fit to shrink the NSC staff. But the bloat that occurred under the previous administration clearly needed a correction. Defense Secretary Robert Gatescongressional oversight committees and members of the Obama administration itself all agreed the NSC was too large and too operationally focused (a departure from its traditional role coordinating executive branch activity). As The Post reported in 2015, from the Clinton administration to the Obama administration’s second term, the NSC’s staff “had quadrupled in size, to nearly 400 people.” That is why Trump began streamlining the NSC staff in 2017.

One such move at the NSC was to create the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate, which was the result of consolidating three directorates into one, given the obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense. It is this reorganization that critics have misconstrued or intentionally misrepresented. If anything, the combined directorate was stronger because related expertise could be commingled.









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The reduction of force in the NSC has continued since I departed the White House. But it has left the biodefense staff unaffected — perhaps a recognition of the importance of that mission to the president, who, after all, in 2018 issued a presidential memorandum to finally create real accountability in the federal government’s expansive biodefense system.

The NSC is really the only place in government where there is a staff that ensures the commander in chief gets all the options he needs to make a decision, and then makes sure that decision is actually implemented. I worry that further reductions at the NSC could impair its capabilities, but the current staffing level is fully up to the job.

You might ask: Why does all this matter? Won’t it just be a historical footnote?

It matters because when people play politics in the middle of a crisis, we are all less safe.

We are less safe because public servants are distracted when they are dragged into politics.

We’re less safe because the American people have been recklessly scared into doubting the competence of their government to help keep them safe, secure and healthy.

And we’re less safe because when we’re focused on political gamesmanship, we’re not paying enough attention to the real issues. For example, we should be united behind ensuring that, in a future congressional appropriations package, U.S. companies are encouraged to return to our shores from China the production of everything from medical face masks and personal protective equipment to vitamin C and penicillin.

And we should be united in demanding to know why the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) was aware of the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan early in December, maybe even November, and didn’t tell the rest of the world, when stopping the deadly spread might have been possible.

Just as the United States has fought against fake information aimed at our elections, we should fight back against CCP propagandists. They are not only campaigning against the use of the term “Wuhan virus” (a more geographically accurate description than “Spanish flu” ever was about the 1918 pandemic) but now also promoting the false claim that covid-19 was created by the U.S. Army. Public health officials have pinpointed a wild-animal market in Wuhan as the outbreak’s origin.

There are real threats emanating from this pandemic. We need to focus on getting our response right and save the finger-pointing for what comes after. This is the United States — we will get through this. And for the love of God, wash your hands.

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Originally posted by kaye kaye kaye kaye wrote:

https://twitter.com/ChinaInFocusNTD/status/1235791817242742784


Like I said China is the one to be disgusted with,  I believe the President has our best interest in mind.  

If this was Obama and did the same thing this would all be wonderful!!!  The President is doing a great job.  Sorry but a lot of people here hate him but if they had Obama doing the same thing the reporting would be VERY different!

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No it wouldn't.  This is not partisan.  This is crisis.  

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Of course Trump will be under attack for partisan reasons.  That does not mean he has got everything right either.

He is doing way better than our government, not that that is any recommendation, but still could do far better.

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The chump camp is so far BEHIND on this one


At the Start they were calling it a DEMOCRATIC HOAX.....

This Is a Government that


 DO NOT BELIEVE IN SCIENCE....

they are being FORCED to confront the SCIENCE now.....

Shame that they probably won't realise that 

CLIMATE CHANGE......

is based on 


SCIENCE,

and its not some Left Wing COMMIE Plot

 and by the way what did happen to the 

Dinosaurs....??????

Science 

over  mumbo jumbo.......

This has NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA

Why  o why do you keep BRINGING him up 

"THE BUCK STOPS ON CHUMPS DESK"

he is the one you eleceted,

He Mumbles on like a person with a learning disability.....

Incoherent at times

At least  Lion King Obama 

Was Articulate......


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What dinosaurs?

The Earth is flat and only 12 thousand years old.

Those bones are a hoax by the devil.



Seriously, I'm religious, but there is no need to be stupid about it.

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It is easy to Target President Trump...I am sure all of you would have done better.  I am just tired of all the HATE we are Americans we need to quit pointing the finger at just one man.  Sorry but you guys need to take a chill pill.  WE all knew that this is what America would look like during a Pandemic that is why we have prepped.  Stores are empty, people standing in line for food and supplies WE ALL KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN!  If it WAS OBAMA would you be pointing and blaming I doubt it because you would have been called a racist.

PLEASE CHILL WITH ALL THE HATE FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP!  

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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

Of course Trump will be under attack for partisan reasons.  That does not mean he has got everything right either.


No.  Sorry!  But you're wrong on this one Technophobe.  Because if were Obama or Clinton I have absolute certainty they'd be getting similar criticism from forum members if the same choices Trump has made were made by them.  

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WRONG, the right was respectful of Obama the LEFT is RUDE!

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