This is just a Rehearsal

Usually the left is more rude.  I can't apply that generalisation to Trump though.  He is the rudest leader ever.

I have to argue with both of you Mommy and Witchy, The left wing will attack Trump whatever he does.  The right would be just the same if the tables were turned.   That is just the way things are and why politicians need hides like a rhino.  (Trump himself is an attack force on legs.  If there were no opposition he would probably attack himself.)

As a centrist, I don't think Trump did all that well at the start, and before the current crisis, gutting the CDC was desperately short sighted.  But our politicians over here have done far worse.  They started with a better understanding, but failed to keep up as the situation changed.  They had a theory and they have stuck to it despite massive accumulating evidence to the contrary and desperate protestations from the WHO.  A huge group of scientists petitioned them to change tack, which fell on deaf ears.  Trump and co, on the other hand, seem to be learning as they go along and are making up for their poor start.  

I think Trump a disaster of a human being, but I would rather have him than the guy I actually voted for.

Technophobe wrote: I have to argue with both of you Mommy and Witchy, The left wing will attack Trump whatever he does.  The right would be just the same if the tables were turned.

You're not arguing with me.  That's exactly my point and you underscored it nicely.  It would be just the same if the tables were turned.  

The house sets the funding levels not the administration,.  The belief the president is responsible for spending is a common miss-conception. 

I am tired of the Left always taking pot shots at President Trump, I agree with him you have to get dirty if you fight with pigs!

Newbie1A wrote: FluMom wrote: I am tired of the Left always taking pot shots at President Trump, I agree with him you have to get dirty if you fight with pigs!  wow… maybe this thread needs to have a stop button put on it...

Agreed. This thread needs to be shut down. The insults have gone too far.

I understand everyone is stressed, but stop. Just stop. 

So did you hear about the Thailand study and that this is mutation of 45 different strains now??

I came.

I read the thread.

I fled as quickly as possible.

I think Italy is showing that the death rate is far higher when the health care system is overwhelmed. Aren't they running at a CFR of nearly 8% because they simply can't help everyone?

Our country has tested 35000 people,our Government called it a Pandemic in January....

Here in Perth western Australia we have cases, but all are Australians returning,we in Perth have no p2p transmission,

I think America is going to see a huge upturn in numbers 

Because of the governments slow reaction,calling it a Democratic PLOT,and that's what they did you cannot defend what is out there on tape, that's what happend,wear it get over it, and for pity's sake MOVE ON 

THE BLAME game will be played out in your  Elections 

Again we have tested 35000,not bad for a small country.....

USA 5K last I heard.....

Wake up 

I am aware of the weakness of the statistics we are getting, but I am still entering the WHO data into a database system I wrote.  As I enter data it is clear that many countries are under-testing.   This under-testing will make any CFR higher than it should be.  

Early on we saw the problem with China where even testing of deaths was no done and so they died of "pneumonia" rather than Corvid-19.  Also the fact that local crematoriums were running day and night and they had to bring in mobile ones indicated a death rate much much higher than reported.

In this mess we need to find the best data.  The cruise ship The Diamond Princess gives one good case study, with about 19% infected and a CFR of nearly 1.  [I noticed that in the latest WHO report the number of cases went up so infections are still being found.]         

Other places that show interesting data are the small (island) states.  St Marino [a micro-state in North Italy] is showing over 3 000 cases per million population compared with Italy's 400 cases per million]., but then St Marino is showing a CFR rate of 5.4%.

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This is not in and of itself the "slate wiper" that some have been prepping against.  However, I think the death rates will be much higher than the strict CFR as it will cause other problems - not least being overwhelming hospitals so other patients who might have been saved die because the medical profession can not give them the care they would have received.  

Other examples of Corona-related deaths:  In China one father was quarantined and his handicapped son left to starve at home.   In Italy there was a prison riot over the withdrawal of visiting in which 6 in-mates died.  

If society holds then these "secondary" deaths might be small, but if society does not manage this well then I am afraid that the secondary deaths might outweigh those from the SARS-CoV2 virus.  

   

The Birther movement.
Leaving that here and backing slowly out of the room... 

 

EdwinSm, wrote: If society holds then these "secondary" deaths might be small, but if society does not manage this well then I am afraid that the secondary deaths might outweigh those from the SARS-CoV2 virus.

Exactly my fears.  For our international members, we Yanks live in a country awash with very powerful firearms (I own a bunch myself), and I cringe at what may happen when hospitals are overloaded and patients are turned away for lack of capacity. 

Also, just the Internet rumor of national quarantine action by the US Government sent many to their gun safes to load their AR-15s.  

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/16/21181506/coronavirus-rumor-viral-trump-stafford-act-national-quarantine-misinformation

My own calculations and those of the Brits show that we may endure 2 million mortalities from COVID-19 in the US before this is done, and this virus will come back to visit time and again, as it is a novel virus that will likely join the mix of seasonal flu and other pulmonary diseases.  

Our government really screwed up by not learning its lesson from SARS and making coronavirus therapy a number one priority.  Even with the MERS experience, we just let things slide.  This pandemic is karma. 

Be safe, stay at home and keep your profile low.

C

AI wrote: carbon20 wrote: USA 5K last I heard..... Wake up  Well you heard wrong  Here are the numbers tested just in Washington State. 12,486 Number of Individuals Tested Positive 904 Negative 11582 https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/Coronavirus

AI if you going to quote me please quote the whole post.....dont edit it....

 To suit your agenda....

Thanks,......

Lol he quoted you right ,you said 5000 test and it's not true.  You were mistaken, by the way, why is an Australian so worried about President Trump?  You sound like a liberal here in the states.

Maybe we could make new forum rules?

A) we are only allowed to sling mud at our own governments!  So - I can blast Trudeau for a couple months late response but can't comment on US, or Australian or Scotlands' etc governments 

or 

B) All political bashing stays under the POLITICS heading so that new members coming here aren't turned off by a bunch of people bickering, instead of finding us the useful resource we are!  I know I have noted a couple threads in past that got too political and just never read them - but that's not really a good way to do this and not good for new people AT ALL!!!   

C) in following B - any thread that gets hijacked by politics like this one has - either gets moves to political heading, gets deleted, or ignorant &/or political comments get deleted

Just my 2 cents... I will add this thread to my 'don't go there list'...

carbon20 wrote: C AI wrote: carbon20 wrote: USA 5K last I heard..... Wake up  Well you heard wrong  Here are the numbers tested just in Washington State. 12,486 Number of Individuals Tested Positive 904 Negative 11582 https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/Coronavirus AI if you going to quote me please quote the whole post.....dont edit it....  To suit your agenda.... Thanks,......

"to suit my agenda" WTF you were spouting information that was completely inaccurate, maybe research some if you'r going to try to play politics with Americans so you don't look uninformed with extremely inaccurate information. And I didn't edit your post I just cut out the irrelevant political propaganda garbage from a foreign national(cause who actually cares what you think, you don't vote here,pay taxes here or live here). Never know you might actually be a Russian trying to circumvent the election process. LOL  Thanks

Technophobe wrote: Is that all?  We are currently testing 5K per day and about to ramp that up to 25K as of tomorrow. .......................  ' And we know we are not testing enough!

That was in one state. 

Technophobe wrote: Each American state is/was a country in its own right.  The parallel is appropriate, we are a tiny country.

 

Population of UK 67,886,011 million, tested as of March 15 40,279 +5Kx2 50,279= .000074% total % of population tested

 Population of Washington state 7.4 million, tested as of March 17th  14,129 =.19% total % of population tested

Well not quite a appropriate parallel it seems, when the facts and numbers come into play.  

jacksdad wrote: Carbon has been a solid contributor here for a long time. A little respect would go a long way. Anyone who has criticized China’s response without paying taxes there is guilty of the same thing.

Well if it's not given it shouldn't be expected, all things being equal, regardless of post count, I'm sure you can agree.

And "my agenda" is accurate and factual information relating to this virus, as my posting and thread history clearly shows, not the political spin of it in the US as others seem to inject into the conversation on a regular basis.

It seems to me that it's mainly the new members on here who are throwing their toys out of the pram at the smallest possible thing. They seem to be looking for any reason, no matter how small, to take offense. Perhaps it's stress, or fear, or a need to feel they are a big fish in small pond. Who knows? And frankly, who cares? We've got bigger things to worry about at the moment than a few ill informed loud mouths.

AI wrote: KiwiMum wrote: kaye kaye wrote: Lol he quoted you right ,you said 5000 test and it's not true.  You were mistaken, by the way, why is an Australian so worried about President Trump?  You sound like a liberal here in the states. Seriously, in a country of 320 million people you're splitting hairs over someone saying that you've only tested 5000 people when in actual fact it's 12,000? It's not even a drop in the bucket. 12,000 out of 320 million - wow your government's really got it covered!! I think you may have missed reading relevant information in the last page of this thread. That was only in Washington state not the entire US.

https://covidtracking.com/data/  

This tracking doesn't include all private and university testing, everything isn't ran through the government so it can be done better and faster.

Kaye Kaye...you need to learn grasshopper.  Many people have a lot to give on this Forum you need to be more polite and listen.

Your are right AI, but I also said:    

.......................  ' And we know we are not testing enough!

This is what I've been moaning about for weeks.  My government is not testing anywhere near enough!  They have already decided the containment phase is over.  This will kill thousands more than would have died otherwise.