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"It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine,” Trump told CNBC’s Joe Kernen from the World Economic Forum in Davos.The president said he trusts the information coming out of China on the coronavirus, which has killed nine people there and sickened 100's “ I have a great relationship with President Xi,” said Trump, addressing a question about whether he’s concerned about transparency in China. “The relationship is very good.”

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-usa/trump-says-us-has-shut-down-coronavirus-threat-china-shuns-us-help-idUSKBN1ZW0OJ
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Trump appeared to downplay concerns about the impact in the United States of the flu-like virus that has killed 350 people in China and spread to more than two dozen countries, telling Fox television in an interview, “We’re gonna see what happens, but we did shut it down, yes.”

"Chad Wolf, U.S. Homeland Security acting secretary, said the overall risk to the American public remains low.

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-germaphobe-ebola-coronavirus-twitter/

Back in 2014, in the lead up to the midterm election, President Donald Trump hit the conservative media circuit—and the “send tweet” button—repeatedly offering his opinion on the Ebola outbreak, and epidemic that was overwhelming West Africa at thee time.
At one point, Trump demanded Obama hug every person in the U.S. who may contract Ebola.

President Obama has a personal responsibility to visit & embrace all people in the US who contract Ebola!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 15, 2014

He also hit at the president for golfing during the epidemic

President Obama has a major meeting on the N.Y.C. Ebola outbreak, with people flying in from all over the country, but decided to play golf!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 24, 20

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-golf-coronavirus-barack-obama-ebola-twitter-a9313001.html
Donald Trump posted a photo of himself “getting a little exercise” on the golf course this morning as the US grapples with the spread of coronavirus - despite criticising Barack Obama for doing the same thing during the Ebola outbreak.

It came as an eighth person in the US was diagnosed with the virus in Massachusetts. Despite fears over how the illness could spread, Mr Trump found time to hit the fairway, clad in white polo shirt, blue slacks, and a red Keep America Great baseball cap.
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Originally posted by jacksdad jacksdad wrote:

Yep, we’re screwed. Though in truth, there’s no amount of funding we could throw at a potentially major pandemic that would make much difference. Back in 1918, people knew how to survive if there was nobody else to look after them. Nowadays, Twitter goes down and half the of the civilized world curls up in the fetal position clutching their smartphones.



SO darn true!!!
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ReutersFebruary 7, 2020
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-great-discipline-china-110216430.html
Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Friday after a phone conversation with Chinese President Xi Jinping that Beijing is showing "great discipline" in tackling the coronavirus outbreak that has killed more than 600 people in China.

"Nothing is easy, but he will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone," Trump said on Twitter https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1225728756456808448.

"Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!"

I guess welding buildings shut,little to no medical care,is great discipline
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As an aside, my brother's job takes him to DC three days a week for the last few weeks. He told me last night that the streets in DC were empty this last week. He said there were a few people out on the streets, but very few. He's not a conspiracy theorist by any means, but he said it creeped him out and made him think something is up. Like DC know something the rest of us don't. He's decided if he has to go to DC going forward he won't take the train to DC anymore, but drive instead. And that he will not take any jobs (he's a contractor) going forward if they involve any travel.
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It is: - if success is more important than people.
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                                           https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-doctors-coronavirus-prediction_n_5e41948dc5b6b70887058c58
                                        
        Stable Genius, I'm surprised he didn't say" I knows more than the scientists "                        

President Trump said Monday that he expected the coronavirus epidemic to disappear with the end of winter ― a remark at odds with warnings from infectious disease experts.

Trump’s comments on the virus known as 2019-nCoV, which has infected more than 42,000 people globally and claimed more than 1,000 lives, came during a White House business session with state governors.

“A lot of people think that goes away in April as the heat comes in,” he said of the outbreak that began in the Chinese city of Wuhan. “Typically that will go away in April. We’re in great shape though. We have 12 cases, 11 cases, and many of them are in good shape.”

“This statement minimizes the many critical factors needed for the containment of the outbreak and the prevention of further disease spread, such as adequate infection control measures and contact tracing,” Dr. Britta Lassmann, program director for the International Society for Infectious Diseases, told HuffPost. The president’s remarks set off some concern that he didn’t have a solid understanding of the threat at hand.

“Data on the role of temperature and climate on the transmissibility of 2019-nCoV are currently lacking,” she added.

But Trump’s rosy outlook is also risky because not all outbreaks subside as the weather warms, and this one remains shrouded in mystery on several fronts.
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I really worry that he is saying it will go away when warmer temps arrive but that is not the information I have recently found corroborates, rather it seems to not do well in moderate temps but thrives at both ends of the spectrum...feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/02/12/health-experts-sound-alarm-trump-fights-coronavirus-with-alternative-facts/

President Trump’s governing strategy is on a collision course with a novel foe. Can alternative facts stop a pandemic

Some of the nation’s leading public-health experts assembled before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee on Wednesday morning with some worrisome warnings: The dangerous Wuhan novel coronavirus is probably already in the United States in greater numbers than we know and should show itself in clusters in the coming weeks. There’s reason to doubt its spread will die down when the weather warms. And it could ultimately affect hundreds of thousands of Americans.
But Trump has never been one to embrace expert opinion, whether on climate change or on windmill cancer.
“By the way, the virus,” Trump told supporters at a political rally this week. “Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.”
He told a meeting of governors that he "had a long talk with President Xi” of China. “He feels very confident. And he feels that, again, as I mentioned, by April or during the month of April, the heat, generally speaking, kills this kind of virus. So that would be a good thing. But we’re in great shape in our country. We have 11, and the 11 are getting better. Okay? Okay!
Maybe he’s right. We should all pray that he is. But the experts have a rather different take.Luciana Borio, the former director for medical and biodefense preparedness at the National Security Council, said the number of actual cases is “much, much higher” than reported and “very concerning for a pandemic.” She said it is “sufficiently lethal to stress severely the health-care system” and “we need to brace ourselves for difficult weeks or months to come. …
"We’re going to see a lot more cases in the United States in the near future.”
The coronavirus and other outbreaks are hard to contain.

Julie Gerberding, former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said she is “very concerned about the prospects for long-term containment” and warned that “we simply don’t have the surge capacity” to handle a widespread outbreak. Now is the time to be “leaning in,” she said.

   Scott Gottlieb, former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, said there are “certainly cases we don’t know about” in the United States, and he called for expanded testing because we’re “capturing 25 percent of cases at best.” Gottlieb predicted: “We’re going to see those outbreaks start to emerge in the next two to four weeks.”
This is the time for a Manhattan Project, to put all public and private energy into vaccine and antiviral development, diagnostics and expanded hospital capabilities. If the worst happens, we’ll be better prepared. If not, we’ll be prepared for the next pandemic.

Instead, Trump this week proposed cutting U.S. funding for the World Health Organization in half. He has also proposed a nearly 16 percent cut to the CDC and a nearly 8 percent cut to the National Institutes of Health, though officials say they won’t cut from infectious-disease work. Trump’s budget director says the virus isn’t being taken into account in economic forecasts.
And Trump is parroting advice from the Chinese regime.
Maybe he’ll also endorse North Korea’s plan to fight the virus with “burdock roots.”
Trump administration officials were asked to participate in the Senate hearing; they refused, instead cooperating in a closed briefing later with senators.
“I’m disappointed,” said the chairman, Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.). “I thought I had convinced them to come. … It’s extremely important the public understands these things.”
Had they come, they would have heard the experts knock down Trump’s claims that we’re in great shape, that there are only 11 cases here and that China has handled the outbreak well.

Asha George, executive director of the Bipartisan Commission on Biodefense, said there are generally seven or eight unseen cases for every known case. “It may be hundreds of thousands of cases” here ultimately, she warned.
Gottlieb warned that even if the fatality rate drops from the current 2 percent to 0.2 percent, that could still “be quite devastating.”
As for the virus receding in warm weather, Gottlieb pointed out that there’s been some spread in Singapore, where it’s 90 degrees.
They also cautioned that they can’t be sure that current antiviral drug trials will be successful or that a vaccine will be available in a year. And many raw materials for drugs come from China — a gaping vulnerability.

Johnson seemed alarmed. “This ought to be a huge wake-up call,” he said, for domestic medical manufacturing.
In one of the few bright points, Gottlieb (who is on Pfizer’s board) said that “we probably could do this quickly if we wanted to” and avoid China’s “critical choke-point in supply.”
Alternatively, we can wait for the virus “miraculously” to
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/02/donald-trump-coronavirus-warm-weather


TRUMP CLAIMS CORONAVIRUS WILL “MIRACULOUSLY” GO AWAY BY APRIL

https://twitter.com/owillis/status/1226918856632999937

Where did Trump get his prognosis? While pulling facts directly from his #ss kind of this guy’s thing, in this case, his information has apparently come from Chinese president Xi Jinping, whose government’s early handling of the epidemic allowed it to spread, as the party prioritized secrecy instead of confronting the crisis head-o
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We need to prepare on our own...governments will not do it.


Quote The Trump administration is eyeing steep cuts to global health funds in its 2021 budget proposal, slashing more than $3 billion in overall programs, including half of its annual funding to the World Health Organization (WHO), which is leading the fight against the deadly coronavirus outbreak.


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Trump's need for public adoration even in these days of unknown spread of virus is galling.  Public health be damned !!!!


https://www.firstpost.com/india/five-to-7-million-people-from-airport-to-stadium-trump-excited-for-his-maiden-trip-to-india-says-modi-building-largest-stadium-in-the-world-8036341
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Five to 7 million people from airport to stadium': Trump excited for his maiden trip to India, says Modi building largest stadium in the world

AHMEDABAD — More than 100,000 people are expected to pack into the world's biggest cricket stadium later this month when it is formally opened during a visit to India by President Donald Trump, officials said.
Workers in Ahmedabad are rushing to finish the 110,000-capacity Sardar Patel Stadium, which will overtake the 100,000-seater Melbourne Cricket Ground as the world's biggest cricket venue.

A bit of history....

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/philadelphia-threw-wwi-parade-gave-thousands-onlookers-flu-180970372/

When the Fourth Liberty Loan Drive parade stepped off on September 28, some 200,000 people jammed Broad Street, cheering wildly as the line of marchers stretched for two miles. Floats showcased the latest addition to America’s arsenal – floating biplanes built in Philadelphia’s Navy Yard. Brassy tunes filled the air along a route where spectators were crushed together like sardines in a can. Each time the music stopped, bond salesmen singled out war widows in the crowd, a move designed to evoke sympathy and ensure that Philadelphia met its Liberty Loan quota.

But aggressive Liberty Loan hawkers were far from the greatest threat that day. Lurking among the multitudes was an invisible peril known as influenza—and it loves crowds. Philadelphians were exposed en masse to a lethal contagion widely called “Spanish Flu,” a misnomer created earlier in 1918 when the first published reports of a mysterious epidemic emerged from a wire service in Madrid.

For Philadelphia, the fallout was swift and deadly. Two days after the parade, the city’s public health director Wilmer Krusen, issued a grim pronouncement: “The epidemic is now present in the civilian population and is assuming the type found in naval stations and cantonments [army camps].”

Within 72 hours of the parade, every bed in Philadelphia’s 31 hospitals was filled. In the week ending October 5, some 2,600 people in Philadelphia had died from the flu or its complications. A week later, that number rose to more than 4,500. With many of the city’s health professionals pressed into military service, Philadelphia was unprepared for this deluge of death.
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https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/officials-debate-what-tell-trump-about-coronavirus-outbreak-n1137931


One of the first signs of trouble in the White House came a couple of weeks ago, when Donald Trump published a tweet praising Chinese President Xi Jinping for his handling of the coronavirus outbreak. The American president said of his counterpart in Beijing, "He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack."

The Republican's gushing praise made some administration officials uncomfortable, largely because they believe China's response has been wholly inadequate and dangerously opaque.

It was against this backdrop that the Washington Post had an interesting report over the weekend:

Although the United States has so far effectively contained the virus, some senior administration officials said there have been tensions within the administration over what information the president should receive, his posture toward China and what message to send to the American public.

All of this is obviously of great importance from a public-health perspective, but I was struck by the reporting that there's some behind-the-scenes disagreement between administration officials over what they want Trump to know about the emergency. I never worked in the Obama White House, but from what I gather, his team never quarreled over "what information the president should receive" when dealing with the Ebola threat in 2014, for example.

The Post's article went on to note that the president's perspective on the coronavirus outbreak has apparently been shaped in large part by Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, who has reportedly told physicians "not to get too far into the details of the virus and the outbreak with Trump."

Right. Because when a president is trying to respond to a public-health emergency, the important thing is for his staff to make sure he's not fully informed.

The problem, however, does not appear to be limited to Trump. During a committee hearing two weeks ago, Azar faced bipartisan pushback on the administration's response to the virus, especially when in the area of communicating with state and local officials.

Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), for example, described the administration's handling of the virus as "keystone cops," adding, "The coordination was not just minimal, it was zero. And if you're going to do a public health response, you have to work with state and local government, and they just didn't."

A week later, the White House released a budget blueprint that would cut "half of its annual funding to the World Health Organization (WHO), which is leading the fight against the deadly coronavirus outbreak."


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Coronavirus policy on the fly

"It's hard to tell the weaponized incompetence from the regular kind."

The Washington Post published a disturbing-maybe story yesterday detailing internal White House deliberations Sunday, when the US was about to fly more than 300 Americans from that quarantined cruise ship in Japan back to the USA. The Americans who wanted to return home had already been taken off the Diamond Princess, which had been sitting at anchor in Yokohama Harbor since February 3 while the Covid-19 coronavirus spread among the passengers on board. But while the 328 Americans, all wearing surgical masks and gloves, waited on buses at Haneda Airport in Tokyo for their flight home, officials from the State Department and the Centers for Disease Control were wrangling over a new problem: 14 of the Americans had tested positive for the virus, although the State Department had promised that nobody who was infected would be allowed on the two 747s — their interiors stripped of everything but seats — chartered to repatriate the Americans.

As the Post reports, it seems nobody had planned for that possibility.

A decision had to be made. Let them all fly? Or leave them behind in Japanese hospitals? [...] 

The State Department and a top Trump administration health official wanted to forge ahead. The infected passengers had no symptoms and could be segregated on the plane in a plastic-lined enclosure. But officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention disagreed, contending they could still spread the virus. The CDC believed the 14 should not be flown back with uninfected passengers.

"It was like the worst nightmare," said a senior U.S. official involved in the decision, speaking on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations. "Quite frankly, the alternative could have been pulling grandma out in the pouring rain, and that would have been bad, too."

Anne Schuchat, CDC's principal deputy director, didn't want the infected people to go on the plane; she pointed out the government had told passengers anyone who tested positive would be treated at Japanese hospitals, not flown back. 

But Robert Kadlec, assistant secretary for preparedness and response for the Department of Health and Human Services and a member of the coronavirus task force, pushed back: Officials had already prepared the plane to handle passengers who might develop symptoms on the long flight, he argued. The two Boeing 747s had 18 seats cordoned off with 10-foot-high plastic on all four sides. Infectious disease doctors would also be onboard. 

"We felt like we had very experienced hands in evaluating and caring for these patients," Kadlec said at a news briefing Monday.
It's a bit of a contrast to Trump's absolute certainty, as an infectious disease specialist, that Barack Obama was trying to kill us all with Ebola in 2014. Back then, Trump offered the sort of clear vision available to someone with no actual responsibility for policy, tweeting about one (1) American:
"Ebola patient will be brought to the U.S. in a few days - now I know for sure that our leaders are incompetent. KEEP THEM OUT OF HERE!"
 "Ebola patient will be brought to the U.S. in a few days - now I know for sure that our leaders are incompetent. KEEP THEM OUT OF HERE!"
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Privately, Trump is worried that a US coronavirus outbreak will slow down the economy and cost him the election.

Politico reported:

The Trump administration is bracing for a possible coronavirus outbreak in the United States that could sicken thousands — straining the government’s public health response and threatening an economic slowdown in the heat of President Donald Trump’s reelection campaign.

….."The biggest current threat to the president’s reelection is this thing getting out of control and creating a health and economic impact,” said Chris Meekins, a Raymond James financial analyst and former Trump administration HHS emergency-preparedness official.

It is revealing that Trump is worried about a virus outbreak not because of what it could do to public health, but the impact that it would have on his reelection campaign. Trump is more worried about bad economic numbers than Americans getting sick and dying.

Trump brags, boasts, and blusters, but he understands that his margin for error is close to zero. If the economy slips, Trump could be toast. Trump is running on economic numbers. He doesn’t care about people. He just wants to have a nice looking number that he thinks he can campaign on

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Trump wants to look good in the history books. Is it narcissism? Yes, of course. He has a big mouth and a bigger ego. In the end, however, he at least makes the U.S. his priority.

It was way too late, but he led the way to repatriating our citizens from the Diamond Princess. That's a plus. He closed borders to Chinese travelers. That's a plus. I think he is making correct decisions, even if I detest him on a personal level. Just wish he was making the decisions more promptly.
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Agreed. It is a shame on our nation we took so long to rescue our own.

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