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Unvaxxed nurse or no nurse?????????

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    Posted: December 14 2021 at 11:31pm

Think all those unvaxxed health care workers who were let go for not getting vaxxed might come in handy sometime soon? It's not like there were enough to begin with before they were fired. You know the ones who were last years hero's working bravely and unselfishly through the beginning of the pandemic and all through the first year. I wonder how that's gonna play out now with Omnicron? Short sighted policies rarely have long term positive outcomes.


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And I suppose everyone is paying attention to how the narrative went from

"Rare breakthrough" vaxxed covid cases to "Breakthrough"  vaxxed covid cases to now just vaxxed covid cases.

So the reason for mandating and forcing healthcare workers to be vaxxed was to prevent health care workers from transmitting and spreading covid to their patients. And that would have been logical and a good policy IF the vaxxed did not catch and transmit the virus. However since the end of July we have known that they can and do. So what happened to "follow the science"??? Because clearly any employee mandate policy now can not be based on the false premise that the vaxx prevents the spread of covid. And now even more so given the Omnicron variant.

So think it's time to give those unvaxxed health care workers their jobs back? 

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There is no moral high ground for the health worker vaxx mandate. There is no science to back the health worker vaxx mandate. There is no logic to back the health care vaxx mandate.

If you are hospitalized for covid do you think it's really going to matter to you if your nurse is vaxxed or not? Didn't matter last year.

There is no upside to this policy ZERO, but there is already a downside to it as it has already exacerbated the health care worker shortage and it has the distinct potential for an even more severe downside.

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Originally posted by A-I A-I wrote:

There is no moral high ground for the health worker vaxx mandate. There is no science to back the health worker vaxx mandate. There is no logic to back the health care vaxx mandate.

If you are hospitalized for covid do you think it's really going to matter to you if your nurse is vaxxed or not? Didn't matter last year.

There is no upside to this policy ZERO, but there is already a downside to it as it has already exacerbated the health care worker shortage and it has the distinct potential for an even more severe downside.

This is an excellent point - if you have Covid of course it wouldn't matter if your nurse was vaxxed or not. And really, if you believe your vaccine works, why would it matter either? Afterall, you're protected aren't you?

Of course if you've got to hospital because of a broken leg then you don't want your nurse to be a Covid spreader and if the vaccines worked fully then it would make sense for them to have had it, but with the newer scientific evidence unanimously stating that the vaccines don't stop you catching Covid or spreading it, then whether someone is vaxxed or not it should make no difference. 

I've said for a while now that a big problem with the vaccines is that they increase your chances of having an asymptomatic case of Covid, and therefore we are seeing people who feel fine and have no symptoms taking Covid unwittingly into places where vulnerable people are shielding. This has just happened in Auckland where an asymptomatic care home worker infected 15 fully vaccinated old people, some of whom have since died in hospital from it. If anything, it might be better to only employ the unvaccinated in care homes as at least they are likely to know when they have it.

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Originally posted by A-I A-I wrote:

And I suppose everyone is paying attention to how the narrative went from

"Rare breakthrough" vaxxed covid cases to "Breakthrough"  vaxxed covid cases to now just vaxxed covid cases.

So the reason for mandating and forcing healthcare workers to be vaxxed was to prevent health care workers from transmitting and spreading covid to their patients. And that would have been logical and a good policy IF the vaxxed did not catch and transmit the virus. However since the end of July we have known that they can and do. So what happened to "follow the science"??? Because clearly any employee mandate policy now can not be based on the false premise that the vaxx prevents the spread of covid. And now even more so given the Omnicron variant.

So think it's time to give those unvaxxed health care workers their jobs back? 

They'll be lucky if they can get them back. I doubt those healthcare workers are sitting at home by the phone waiting for a call asking them back. Over here many have taken early retirement, many have taken a career change, and many have gone private. Good luck with tempting them back with the offer of low wages, long unsociable hours and stressed working conditions.

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Originally posted by KiwiMum KiwiMum wrote:

Originally posted by A-I A-I wrote:

There is no moral high ground for the health worker vaxx mandate. There is no science to back the health worker vaxx mandate. There is no logic to back the health care vaxx mandate.

If you are hospitalized for covid do you think it's really going to matter to you if your nurse is vaxxed or not? Didn't matter last year.

There is no upside to this policy ZERO, but there is already a downside to it as it has already exacerbated the health care worker shortage and it has the distinct potential for an even more severe downside.

This is an excellent point - if you have Covid of course it wouldn't matter if your nurse was vaxxed or not. And really, if you believe your vaccine works, why would it matter either? Afterall, you're protected aren't you?

Of course if you've got to hospital because of a broken leg then you don't want your nurse to be a Covid spreader and if the vaccines worked fully then it would make sense for them to have had it, but with the newer scientific evidence unanimously stating that the vaccines don't stop you catching Covid or spreading it, then whether someone is vaxxed or not it should make no difference. 

I've said for a while now that a big problem with the vaccines is that they increase your chances of having an asymptomatic case of Covid, and therefore we are seeing people who feel fine and have no symptoms taking Covid unwittingly into places where vulnerable people are shielding. This has just happened in Auckland where an asymptomatic care home worker infected 15 fully vaccinated old people, some of whom have since died in hospital from it. If anything, it might be better to only employ the unvaccinated in care homes as at least they are likely to know when they have it.

You know I thought it was odd for the CDC back in July to advise against being tested for covid if you were vaxxed and were not symptomatic, even if you had been in close contact to someone who was infected. Simply for the reason asymptomatic cases are a contributing factor to a large degree of the spread of Covid. They totally disregarded the potential for asymptomatic spread  of covid by the vaxxed. Bad science followed by bad advise by the CDC yet again lead to more cases and deaths. And I agree with you, I highly suspect there is increased asymptomatic case transmission among the vaxxed than among the nonvaxxed simply due to a lessening of symptoms/ no symptoms among more people which in turn leads to more cases exponentially.

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Two days ago the border of Auckland was opened to allow anyone to leave the city to go on holiday. The vaxxed are not required to prove they are negative, only the unvaxxed who must show a negative PCR test to the police checkpoint. Children under 12 have no requirements. So just think of all those Covid positive people who are vaxxed heading South. It's madness. Our government appears not to keep up with the news elsewhere.

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