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    Posted: July 01 2021 at 11:40pm

From [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream latest activities; And the stupid push, push vaccine messaging award goes to....


I have polled a few people who are fully vaccinated - almost all in the high risk categories. They are resistant to implementing any more actions against COVID-19. The messages that if you take the vaccine you can have your normal life back again are what people want(ed) to hear. So they got the vaccine. One 85 year old person told me that they are not wearing masks inside any more. Period. I mentioned that the UK Delta deaths were about 50% fully vaccinated and, frankly, people don't want to hear this.

As stated above - the messaging should have been..."Hey we have these vaccines...we are not sure about how great they are but they seem promising. Some may be 90%ish effective in preventing serious illness and/or death. They will not cover everyone all the time, but compared to the emerging data about COVID-19 and what it can do to the body, please consider getting the vaccine after talking to your medical practitioner."

And then followed by...."These vaccines are not guaranteed and there are always side effects. After vaccination you will need to still select your activities to keep your risk as low as possible. Live your life but follow the news on COVID-19 and try to be alert to new developments. If you choose not to get vaccinated, be very vigilant regarding developments and always carry a mask in your pocket just-in-case. Surgical masks do not stop airborne viruses but they are better than nothing."

DJ-Yes vaccines offer some protection ! But when you combine vaccines with utter stupidity vaccines will become a risk...

Some people-based on insane communications-think vaccination is 100% protection against illness, infections...

Early statistics show most vaccines do decrease risks of getting severe symptoms-(death being the most "severe symptom" ?). But vaccines may do much worse on protection against getting infected. If the virus manages to get widespread in vaccinated people it will mutate further towards vaccine escape...

In general communications on what to expect from vaccines are bad..problematic...

We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein
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From the same link [url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/892756-discussion-thread-vi-covid-19-new-coronavirus?view=stream latest; 

Two weeks ago, today, Jay started to exhibit symptoms of a head cold. He had been in meeting on Monday w/another guy who had a head cold at work…or so they thought. Work guy said he’d had a rapid test done and it was negative for COVID. no further questions…for now 2/

Jay develops worsening congestion, chest congestion, eventually fevers (Thursday) and learns that evening that work guy tested positive for COVID on a PCR that came back that day. BUT I”M VACCINATED…my husband said as he was fevery at 102 and coughing/congested all night. 3/

He tested Friday w/ + COVID PCR returned on Sat. yes, he was vaccinated in March/April w/Pfizer. What should I do…quarantine in the house? Not worry? I”M VACCINATED TOO. A pubmed search & hrs later all I’ve got is “it is EXTREMELY rare for vaccinated people to contract COVID”

He moved to quarantine in the house and I was nervous. Jay slept most of Friday/Saturday/Sunday and only on Monday broke fevers. Lost taste and smell on Friday afternoon. O2 sats in the low 90s all weekend. Sunday night I was extremely fatigued, but I”M VACCINATED…5/

Monday escalated with symptoms for me, Monday night I was fevery at 101.5, went to see PCP on Tuesday for test(Same PCP as husband). the PCP however said ‘we can’t test you’ you’ve been vaccinated and need a special test and have to go to the county health dept. 6/

So, I packed up my fevery self into the cold rainy morning and drove to the health dept where they looked at me like I had 2 heads when i asked for the ‘special’ COVID test since, I’M VACCINATED. No, go back to PCP we don’t have any special test. PCP eventually agreed to test me

Not shocking it was + in 24 hrs, during which time I developed tinnitus, lost taste & smell, and was down with fevers through Wed night. Through my contacts at the state health dept and my university, I was able to have Jay’s and my samples pulled and sent for sequencing.

This entire time, no one asked either of us for our vaccine proof, date, or vial numbers. I had Moderna and he had Pfizer. No one knew how to test us or how to report a test for vaccinated COVID + people. Everyone said it was “extremely rare for vaccinated people to get COVID”.

CDC, state health dept, PCPs, there was no information to be found re: vaccinated people. Do we shed viral material the same? Quarantine for the same time? Can we re-infect one another? I used best judgement & most-restrictive practice (and a lot of bleach)

I am somewhat concerned that this would not have been investigated without my own professional contacts. I’m frustrated by getting sick, of course, but more so intrigued by the repeated mantra of “it is extremely rare for people who are vaccinated to get COVID”…well…

…maybe that was true in the world of social distancing. mask wear & limited groups in public. Protections in place may have lulled us into a false sense of security regarding that extremely rare post vaccine + case. 2 of us, in the same house, w/2 different vaccines???

Yes, its likely a ‘variant’ we don’t have that info just yet. But I think there is an important and balanced message to send as we start shedding masks and resuming ‘normal’, and that is to be vigilant. Sensible and vigilant. If you’re sick stay home, wear a mask if you can’t.

If you’re around someone sniffling/coughing put on a mask & don’t by shy to ask them to do the same. WE are out of the woods, but my recovery is VERY slow and not progressive. I’m not sure yet that our society is out of the woods. Use caution and as I always say WASH YOUR HANDS!

DJ-Healthcare not knowing how to deal with vaccinated people catching a Covid19 (Delta most likely) variant...

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Need to queue up some Simon and Garfunkel, the one the words "People hear what they want to hear and disregard the  rest"



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There you go, Edwin, and it's a great tune!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dutch Josh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2021 at 11:19pm

Simon & Garfunkel are in my favorite music top 10-like a few hundred others ;-)

I am just a poor boy
Though my story's seldom told
I have squandered my resistance
For a pocketful of mumbles
Such are promises
All lies and jest
Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest
Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm
Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm 
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
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