Vax status for ICU care Texas

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/08/19/vaccination-status-may-be-considered-to-get-icu-beds-at-dallas-area-hospitals-if-covid-spread-worsens/?sh=790be1a41620

TOPLINE If North Texas starts running out of ICU beds, doctors may have to consider coronavirus vaccination status as a factor in who gets priority care—a situation health officials hope to avoid but worry is becoming increasingly likely—with the vaccinated potentially being prioritized for treatment on the assumption that they’re more likely to survive.

Members of the North Texas Mass Critical Care Guideline Task Force held a meeting last week about the worsening Covid crisis in the area, and discussed the possibility that doctors might need to use Covid vaccination status to prioritize care in extreme scenarios.
A spokesman for the task force told Forbes that doctors at the meeting noted unvaccinated Covid patients were suffering worse outcomes, leading to an internal memo being sent to members of the task force—which provides guidance for physicians in the Dallas area—telling doctors they could take vaccination status into account when deciding who to care for, if needed.

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Pixie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: June 05 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 19668	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pixie Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Vax status for ICU care Texas Posted: August 19 2021 at 4:31pm
	https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/08/19/vaccination-status-may-be-considered-to-get-icu-beds-at-dallas-area-hospitals-if-covid-spread-worsens/?sh=790be1a41620 TOPLINE If North Texas starts running out of ICU beds, doctors may have to consider coronavirus vaccination status as a factor in who gets priority care—a situation health officials hope to avoid but worry is becoming increasingly likely—with the vaccinated potentially being prioritized for treatment on the assumption that they’re more likely to survive. Members of the North Texas Mass Critical Care Guideline Task Force held a meeting last week about the worsening Covid crisis in the area, and discussed the possibility that doctors might need to use Covid vaccination status to prioritize care in extreme scenarios. A spokesman for the task force told Forbes that doctors at the meeting noted unvaccinated Covid patients were suffering worse outcomes, leading to an internal memo being sent to members of the task force—which provides guidance for physicians in the Dallas area—telling doctors they could take vaccination status into account when deciding who to care for, if needed.

Pixie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: June 05 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 19668	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pixie Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: August 20 2021 at 11:42am
	https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/20/covid-delta-variant-live-updates/#link-CWATLZP4JFEQ3G5SH46K4NZ4W4 Many private health plans aren’t waiving cost-sharing for coronavirus treatment, analysis finds By Lateshia Beachum1:22 p.m. Link copied Almost three-quarters of private insurers are no longer waiving out-of-pocket costs for coronavirus treatment as vaccines become available and political pressure for what insurers should cover wanes, according to an analysis from the Peterson-Kaiser Family Foundation Health System Tracker. The decline in waiving costs for coronavirus treatment could mean very high medical bills for people hospitalized with the illness, especially the unvaccinated, as more waivers continue to expire, analysts noted. Looking at the two largest health plans in each state and Washington, D.C., analysts found that 72 percent of 102 plans no longer waived out-of-pocket costs for coronavirus treatment. Nearly half of the plans ended their cost-sharing waivers in April, around the time when most states started offering vaccines to all adults, analysts noted. Twenty-nine plans still offer cost sharing for coronavirus treatment, but 10 of those waivers will expire by the end of October, experts found. Analysts found that 12 other plans will let their cost-sharing waivers expire by the end of the year and two other plans had determined end dates for coronavirus treatment waivers in 2022. Five other plans didn’t have a stated end date, according to the brief. “Earlier in the pandemic, relatively few COVID-19 patients would have been billed for their hospitalization because of the voluntary waivers extended by private insurers and employers,” researchers said. “But as vaccines have become widely available to adults in the U.S. and health care utilization has rebounded more generally, health insurers may no longer face political or public relations pressure to continue waiving costs for COVID-19 treatment.”

carbon20 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Joined: April 08 2006 Location: West Australia Status: Offline Points: 65816	Post Options Post Reply Quote carbon20 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: August 20 2021 at 2:20pm
	I think I predicted this in another thread..... Insurance companies are only interested in making money.... Not losing it...... Same as hospitals....... Only want a good out come,else all the meds they use are wasted , if before they start treatment ,they know there's no chance in survival.......... Just business.......they will say.......no humanity....... Take care all
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carbon20 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Joined: April 08 2006 Location: West Australia Status: Offline Points: 65816	Post Options Post Reply Quote carbon20 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: August 20 2021 at 2:49pm
	https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-21/vaccination-passports-inevitable-in-long-term-expert/100392556?utm_campaign=news-article-share-2-control&utm_content=link&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_source=abc_news_web
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carbon20 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Joined: April 08 2006 Location: West Australia Status: Offline Points: 65816	Post Options Post Reply Quote carbon20 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: August 25 2021 at 4:31pm
	NPR: Delta Air Lines Is Going To Start Charging Unvaccinated Employees $200 Per Month. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/08/25/1030949428/delta-covid-unvaccinated-employees-monthly-charge-200-dollars?ft=nprml&f=1001
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EdwinSm, Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Joined: April 03 2013 Status: Offline Points: 24065	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdwinSm, Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: August 25 2021 at 10:26pm
	Carbon20 - thanks for the link. I saw a reference (on another forum) to Delta's insurance and wanted to look it up, so you saved me a search. I think it is a sensible move, especially as they also quoted the average cost to the airline insurance. That figure seemed low to me; I guess a lot of relatively mild cases (ie needing hospital but not ICU), but still enough to bankrupt families if they don't have insurance. I am a little surprised it has taken so long for insurance to start adding the vaccination condition to costs, but I guess that the rising Delta variant gives enough of a political backstop to support the policy. BTW. Should Delta Airlines change there name, or start using a slogan like "We are Airborne", or "We will fly anywhere", oe "We Travel All over the USA" ?

KiwiMum Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Chief Moderator Joined: May 29 2013 Status: Offline Points: 29670	Post Options Post Reply Quote KiwiMum Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: August 26 2021 at 2:45pm
	It appears that Delta airlines are working with out of date information, particularly when they are requiring the unvaccinated workers to wear a mask inside but allowing vaccinated workers not to wear one. I was unable to post a link to this article but I have cut and pasted the contents. It's very interesting, and I can see why the results have not been widely reported in the media, who are intent on supporting the popular narratives that vaccines will save us all. Study: fully vaccinated healthcare workers carry 251 times viral load - pose threat to unvaccinated patients, co-workers A preprint paper by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group, published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated. A groundbreaking preprint paper by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group, published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, includes alarming findings devastating to the COVID vaccine rollout. The study found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated. While moderating the symptoms of infection, the jab allows vaccinated individuals to carry unusually high viral loads without becoming ill at first, potentially transforming them into presymptomatic superspreaders. This phenomenon may be the source of the shocking post-vaccination surges in heavily vaccinated populations globally. The paper’s authors, Chau et al, demonstrated widespread vaccine failure and transmission under tightly controlled circumstances in a hospital lockdown in Ho Chi Minh City, Viet Nam. The scientists studied healthcare workers who were unable to leave the hospital for two weeks. The data showed that fully vaccinated workers — about two months after injection with the Oxford/AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine (AZD1222) — acquired, carried and presumably transmitted the Delta variant to their vaccinated colleagues. They almost certainly also passed the Delta infection to susceptible unvaccinated people, including their patients. Sequencing of strains confirmed the workers transmitted SARS-CoV-2 to one another. This is consistent with the observations in the U.S. from Farinholt and colleagues, and congruent with comments by the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention conceding COVID-19 vaccines have failed to stop transmission of SARS-CoV-2. On Feb. 11, the World Health Organization indicated the AZD1222 vaccine efficacy of 63.09% against the development of symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection. The conclusions of the Chau paper support the warnings by leading medical experts that the partial, non-sterilizing immunity from the three notoriously “leaky” COVID-19 vaccines allow carriage of 251 times the viral load of SARS-CoV-2 as compared to samples from the pre-vaccination era in 2020. Thus, we have a key piece to the puzzle explaining why the Delta outbreak is so formidable — fully vaccinated are participating as COVID-19 patients and acting as powerful Typhoid Mary-style super-spreaders of the infection. Vaccinated individuals are blasting out concentrated viral explosions into their communities and fueling new COVID surges. Vaccinated healthcare workers are almost certainly infecting their coworkers and patients, causing horrendous collateral damage. Continued vaccination will only make this problem worse, particularly among frontline doctors and nurses workers who are caring for vulnerable patients. Health systems should drop vaccine mandates immediately, take stock of COVID-19 recovered workers who are robustly immune to Delta and consider the ramifications of their current vaccinated healthcare workers as potential threats to high risk patients and coworkers.
	Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.

Vax status for ICU care Texas

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/20/covid-delta-variant-live-updates/#link-CWATLZP4JFEQ3G5SH46K4NZ4W4Many private health plans aren’t waiving cost-sharing for coronavirus treatment, analysis finds

Study: fully vaccinated healthcare workers carry 251 times viral load

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/20/covid-delta-variant-live-updates/#link-CWATLZP4JFEQ3G5SH46K4NZ4W4
Many private health plans aren’t waiving cost-sharing for coronavirus treatment, analysis finds