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Posted: August 19 2021 at 4:31pm |
TOPLINE If North Texas starts running out of ICU beds, doctors may have to consider coronavirus vaccination status as a factor in who gets priority care—a situation health officials hope to avoid but worry is becoming increasingly likely—with the vaccinated potentially being prioritized for treatment on the assumption that they’re more likely to survive. Members of the North Texas Mass Critical Care Guideline Task Force held a meeting last week about the worsening Covid crisis in the area, and discussed the possibility that doctors might need to use Covid vaccination status to prioritize care in extreme scenarios. A spokesman for the task force told Forbes that doctors at the meeting noted unvaccinated Covid patients were suffering worse outcomes, leading to an internal memo being sent to members of the task force—which provides guidance for physicians in the Dallas area—telling doctors they could take vaccination status into account when deciding who to care for, if needed. |
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/20/covid-delta-variant-live-updates/#link-CWATLZP4JFEQ3G5SH46K4NZ4W4 |
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I think I predicted this in another thread..... Insurance companies are only interested in making money.... Not losing it...... Same as hospitals....... Only want a good out come,else all the meds they use are wasted , if before they start treatment ,they know there's no chance in survival.......... Just business.......they will say.......no humanity....... Take care all |
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NPR: Delta Air Lines Is Going To Start Charging Unvaccinated Employees $200 Per Month. |
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Carbon20 - thanks for the link. I saw a reference (on another forum) to Delta's insurance and wanted to look it up, so you saved me a search. I think it is a sensible move, especially as they also quoted the average cost to the airline insurance. That figure seemed low to me; I guess a lot of relatively mild cases (ie needing hospital but not ICU), but still enough to bankrupt families if they don't have insurance. I am a little surprised it has taken so long for insurance to start adding the vaccination condition to costs, but I guess that the rising Delta variant gives enough of a political backstop to support the policy. BTW. Should Delta Airlines change there name, or start using a slogan like "We are Airborne", or "We will fly anywhere", oe "We Travel All over the USA" ? |
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It appears that Delta airlines are working with out of date information, particularly when they are requiring the unvaccinated workers to wear a mask inside but allowing vaccinated workers not to wear one. I was unable to post a link to this article but I have cut and pasted the contents. It's very interesting, and I can see why the results have not been widely reported in the media, who are intent on supporting the popular narratives that vaccines will save us all. Study: fully vaccinated healthcare workers carry 251 times viral load- pose threat to unvaccinated patients, co-workers A preprint paper by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group, published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated. A groundbreaking preprint paper by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group, published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, includes alarming findings devastating to the COVID vaccine rollout. The study found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated. While moderating the symptoms of infection, the jab allows vaccinated individuals to carry unusually high viral loads without becoming ill at first, potentially transforming them into presymptomatic superspreaders. This phenomenon may be the source of the shocking post-vaccination surges in heavily vaccinated populations globally. The paper’s authors, Chau et al, demonstrated widespread vaccine failure and transmission under tightly controlled circumstances in a hospital lockdown in Ho Chi Minh City, Viet Nam. The scientists studied healthcare workers who were unable to leave the hospital for two weeks. The data showed that fully vaccinated workers — about two months after injection with the Oxford/AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine (AZD1222) — acquired, carried and presumably transmitted the Delta variant to their vaccinated colleagues. They almost certainly also passed the Delta infection to susceptible unvaccinated people, including their patients. Sequencing of strains confirmed the workers transmitted SARS-CoV-2 to one another. This is consistent with the observations in the U.S. from Farinholt and colleagues, and congruent with comments by the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention conceding COVID-19 vaccines have failed to stop transmission of SARS-CoV-2. On Feb. 11, the World Health Organization indicated the AZD1222 vaccine efficacy of 63.09% against the development of symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection. The conclusions of the Chau paper support the warnings by leading medical experts that the partial, non-sterilizing immunity from the three notoriously “leaky” COVID-19 vaccines allow carriage of 251 times the viral load of SARS-CoV-2 as compared to samples from the pre-vaccination era in 2020. Thus, we have a key piece to the puzzle explaining why the Delta outbreak is so formidable — fully vaccinated are participating as COVID-19 patients and acting as powerful Typhoid Mary-style super-spreaders of the infection. Vaccinated individuals are blasting out concentrated viral explosions into their communities and fueling new COVID surges. Vaccinated healthcare workers are almost certainly infecting their coworkers and patients, causing horrendous collateral damage. Continued vaccination will only make this problem worse, particularly among frontline doctors and nurses workers who are caring for vulnerable patients. Health systems should drop vaccine mandates immediately, take stock of COVID-19 recovered workers who are robustly immune to Delta and consider the ramifications of their current vaccinated healthcare workers as potential threats to high risk patients and coworkers. |
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Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesnβt accord with the facts.
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