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    Posted: March 02 2009 at 7:22pm
 "The number of high level officials and experts warning that the economic crisis could lead to revolt and revolution world-wide-even in the U.S. -is growing everyday."
 
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I didn't see the word... depression, anywhere.  anyway...that's what the guys at the war college do...they dream up worst case scenarios, otherwise, no one would need to employ them.   ahh, they will need us in an economic down turn if the nation runs riot.  I hardly think it will happen ... They are now giving out gas cards to people who are looking for work in all the counties around us.  I'm going to suggest another job fair so we can get people to work faster when the stimulus money comes into the state.
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Of course global poverty is the biggest threat to our national security.
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There is an old axiom believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see. In cases where there are raging debates and opinions, we (our group of researchers) and programmers usually say- look at the numbers.

Of course, reports and statistics can be tweaked, but over all trends as per our research in Chaos Theory can often tell what numbers and media will not.

There are some very simple numbers given to me from .gov workers and those who have met with governor's offices and senators, etc. I have remembered them throughout the years, and we have a very unstable global and law enforcement system.

In San Jose (Silicon Valley) I first noticed this when working in the jail some things became rather clear. #1 Police officers stopped going to the East Side (Crack house heaven and high crime - Story and King road) alone.  #2 When sent to a call where a person was carrying a weapon (even a wooden or plastic gun on occasion where a scared man was shot to death- big enquiry on this one) the policy was shoot to kill and fast after several officers were taken out. Out CTO had a friend on the force and while they were eating dinner in a restaurant some nutcase came in and shot this officer (in uniform) to death because he didn't like cops.

Our CTO hit the floor and so did everyone else in the place. The ratio of officers and law enforcement to population is decreasing considerably and President Obama plans to release 100,000 prisoners into the general population out of 150,000.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/comments_blog/2009/02/federal-judges.html?cid=148156581


Here it is quoted 30% - which would reduce it by a lot less. But have heard much higher figures.

This is not a win. It is about money. To save money we will release tens of thousands at least, criminals back into society.

The judges said these types of measures could save the state more than $900 million a year in prison costs, money that could be used by cities and counties to put those who otherwise would have gone to prison into local jails or treatment programs...

"It's a pretty comprehensive victory for us," said Michael Bien, a lawyer in San Francisco who has fought for mentally ill prisoners. "It was a message -- a very loud, clear message -- that it's time that the public officials in California took responsibility for their own criminal justice system."

For all those smoking whatever out there- this will come as much anticipated action in view of an administration that is to subtly state it - decreasing the war on illegal due to the fact .. we won't go there.

As detailed in this MSNBC piece, late last week AG Holder officially stated that the Drug Enforcement Administration would end federal raids on state-approved medical marijuana dispensaries.  This is big news for supporters of medical marijuana, and could be the first step toward a strategic withdrawal from the worst battlefields in the war on drugs.

http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_policy/criminal-justice-in-the-obama-administration/

Actually this more a step to decriminalize drug use. It is of course merciful to allow people dying of HIV to spend their last days in an altered state; however it is the trend that is dangerous. Basically, people generally seek a higher high- be it legal or illegal drugs. The problem ESPECIALLY  when our country is in a depression or by the classic definition may soon be, who wants to be awake and alert during a period of crisis? Not many.

We have pain clinics and doctors whose practices thrive because they are basically pain drug dispensers. The Internet and Canada is flooded with ways to secure drugs for up to $200 a bottle for 'the good ones'.

What kind of decisions do people make on drugs and how high in society does drug use go? We definitely won't go there. How many people on the Wall Street trading area or book keepers are zipping along with better living through chemistry?

The price of a drugged America, a godless (here come the tomatoes) America, is like watching a movie with your old favorite actors so high they can hardly read the script. Having watched both Jim Morris and Janis Joplin (Jim mostly) pass out on stage - that was the end of the lives of some truly talented people.

Basically hard drugs lead to violence. People on enough Cocaine or Crystal Meth score high on the psycho killer percentile.

This is from DOJ - only about 23% of crimes we are sure of, that the people are not on drugs.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/dcf/duc.htm

Point : The point is in a Depression or Recession the use of drugs, alcohol, and violence is going to go way up. In fact, in the absence of solid currency drugs and alcohol will be used as a trade item and be worth far more than money.

How much 'violence' can our legal (not justice) system handle?

What is really happening?


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I could see that some could riot and the economy would be a factor.I would look to placed that have already rioted. I don't expect it here in my neighborhood.

I think it would be more likely we would have a revolt about the governments inept plans to turn us into a socialism as a response to this "crisis."

In fact, I would advocate that it is a time for another tea party.
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Originally posted by Dr.Who Dr.Who wrote:

I could see that some could riot and the economy would be a factor.I would look to placed that have already rioted. I don't expect it here in my neighborhood.

I think it would be more likely we would have a revolt about the governments inept plans to turn us into a socialism as a response to this "crisis."

In fact, I would advocate that it is a time for another tea party.


The R word is like the D word. It can be euphemistically restated as a need for 'change.' But the realities are that for change to occur there is a need for new blood in congress. The efforts to pass term limit legislation, unlike that which has held up for the presidency for centuries, means we will not see this happen in our life time. Congress is not going to vote itself out of power. There are no longer terms in Congress - there are careers. And once lobbyists and special interests groups lock on, the American people lose their real say at all in the government. The voice of one lobbyist at a luncheon, has the voice of a hundred thousand Americans. The powerful inner circle is not a conspiracy - it is a reality. There are power players, powerful companies, and special interests that run our nation. 

This is a reality that has existed to an even worse extents in nations around the globe for thousands of years. Even Russian communism was not communism.

Why go on about this?

Because we are a lot closer to the 'let them eat cake' scenario then we should be. (It was actually let them eat croissants in French- not cake)

This is why we go on about this.

http://people.boston.com/forums/news/national/general/?p=discussiondetails&activityid=7824816805895207223



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Urban Warfare Drills Linked To Coming Economic Rage

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Monday, February 23, 2009

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Urban warfare training drills are taking place across the country as top analysts as well as officials predict a potential “summer of rage” across Europe and America as civil unrest from the economic fallout builds.

Earlier this month, 150 U.S. troops from the U.S. Special Operations Command whizzed around the streets of New Orleans in military helicopters and even dropped bombs in what officials described as a “training event”.

An Iowa National Guard training exercise in Arcadia, Iowa, scheduled for April was originally billed as an “invasion” before public opposition caused the drill to be scaled back. The exercise included Guard troops patrolling streets, searching houses and confiscating firearms.

No less than 2,200 U.S. Marines were also involved in urban operations training in Richmond, VIrginia, throughout January, drills that involved landing troops in populated areas, allowing military pilots to “familiarize themselves with the area.”

Military choppers hovered precariously low over parking lots as citizens were acclimated to seeing active duty military assets engaged in law enforcement style activities.

Watch a clip filmed by a startled Richmond resident who wasn’t even aware that Marines were conducting drills due to scant forewarning on behalf of authorities and the media.

"We didn't start the fire nor do we fuel it- but the smoke burns our eyes - MC"

There’s no question that U.S. authorities have been closely observing riots that have toppled governments in Iceland and Latvia and also threatened to do so in several other European countries. The fact that they have contingency plans in place to deal with such scenarios should they unfold in America cannot be disputed.

Indeed, before a media exposé forced them into a denial, Northcom revealed that one of the duties of at least 20,000 active duty troops that are being placed inside the United States would be dealing with “civil unrest and crowd control”.

Meanwhile, millions of dollars that were set aside as part of the so-called bailout have in fact been handed over to local police departments and spent on military tools like armored vehicles, unmanned aerial surveillance drones and high-powered firearms for SWAT teams.

In addition, with many predicting that Mexico is on the verge of collapse as a result of the economic crisis and the out of control drug war, Texas officials have already established contingency plans to deal with an influx of immigrants, a program that would only address “law enforcement concerns” and not humanitarian needs.

HR 645, otherwise known as the National Emergency Centers Establishment Act, would mandate the expansion of FEMA detention camps which would likely to be used to detain illegal immigrants as well as rioting American citizens.

The prospect of widespread rioting at some stage this year is a scenario feared by many.

Police in the UK are preparing for a “summer of rage” and mass protests against the mishandling of the economic crisis by the government.

The U.S. Army War College in November released a white paper called Known Unknowns: Unconventional ‘Strategic Shocks’ in Defense Strategy Development. The report warned that the military must be prepared for a “violent, strategic dislocation inside the United States,” which could be provoked by “unforeseen economic collapse,” “purposeful domestic resistance,” “pervasive public health emergencies” or “loss of functioning political and legal order.” The “widespread civil violence,” the document said, “would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security.”

Numerous other public figures, including Senator Christopher Dodd, leading economist Nouriel Roubini, top trend researcher Gerald Celente, the head of the International Monetary Fund, the head of the World Trade Organization, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, former national security director Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair have all warned of coming civil unrest and global instability.

http://people.boston.com/forums/news/national/general/?p=discussiondetails&activityid=7824816805895207223

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comment: Scary, huh? Well let it be clear here that personally there is no intent to encourage this type of thing. This is only to save that those who know- are aware of a growing discontent and the sad part is we need to address the problems and economic issues in America with extreme prejudice- in the sense - without delay and make them our first priority.

What is going on 12,000 miles away does not effect us nearly as much as what is happening in our own country. We cannot just push this one forward to some other person's "term." and avoid painful vote losing legislation we critically need.

Doing some of things critically necessary could put some legislators out of office. Take away this and that program you are going to see social unrest.

In my writing today in the book, I am trying to define the world as it would be in the midst of a Pandemic. We sat around and talked about it. Quite bluntly, the vision being put out there of what it will be it more like Mary Poppins in Sound of Music (used to torture little Wednesday Adams) than the reality.

And to prepare, we must try to extrapolate the reality. Real problems need real solutions.

We want to believe, we clap our hands, we wait for deliverance.
 Some us, after being ground into the dust a few times, are very skeptical. Public support has been eroding for almost a decade. To Abraham's statement - you can't please all the people all of the time - should be added you can only be non-transparent for so long before people wake up and smell the coffee.

Can our world market Indices have zero change?  Note - lot of arrows just went green after my last post. May they stay that way.

Maybe I should of had my coffee today, huh?

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Worse of all most of the troops wont be US military but private contractors such as Blackwater.   During Katrina those Blackwater guys were all over the place.
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The guys at the War college are officers of the United States Military. They have plenty to do right now.
They need more people to join, they have so much to do, they are not looking for anything else.
The truth is, people are used to gettting whatever they want in this country when they want it.
If the finances continue to go down hill as all the numbers seem to indicate they will, dispite all the programs to bail out, and a majority of people loose their jobs, and food becomes a luxury that most in tent cities do not have. There will be trouble.
Most of the top brass have said that they do not believe based on a opinion poll taken by the military a few years back that the American soldier would fire on American people.
It is hard to say, I think it would depend on the circumstances.
I do know that the USA and Canada have a agreement that in the event of large scale societal problems Canadian troops would come here and American troops would go there to deal with it, so that our own men and women would not be required to fire on our own citizenry.
It was just told that Baxter released live recombined H5N1 mixed with the easily caught human version of Avain flu to be used as a vaccine around the world. This came out of the good old USA. This would have been the end to sixty to eighty percent of mankind.
The author of the artilce I posted in no way believes this was a mistake.
How angry would you be if you lived and the rest of your family died by a hideous virus that your government deliberately sent out?
I am going to personally google every medicine that Baxter makes and never use one of them. If this was a real mistake they are a bunch of incompetent fools, we put people in jail for manslaughter, that is where the top boys from Baxter belong, after we water board them to get them to tell us, who ordered them to do it.
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Canada, U.S. agree to use each other's troops in civil emergencies

 

Canada and the U.S. have signed an agreement that paves the way for the militaries from either nation to send troops across each others borders during an emergency, but some are questioning why the Harper government has kept silent on the deal.

 
By Ottawa Citizen
February 22, 2008
 
 
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"Co-operative militaries on Home Soil!" notes one website.  "The next time your town has a 'national emergency,' don't be surprised if Canadian soldiers respond. And remember -Canadian military aren't bound by posse comitatus."

Posse comitatus is a U.S. law that prohibits the use of federal troops from conducting law enforcement duties on domestic soil unless approved by Congress.


Scanlon said there was no intent to keep the agreement secret on the Canadian side of the border. He noted it will be reported on in the Canadian Forces newspaper next week and that publication will be put on the Internet.
 
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